Flags the next step

[oZ]

[boppa]

My feelings to a T!!!

[Momz]

What this country needs to do is ban the use of all foreign flags flown above our own, and our flag must be larger than all others when properly displayed.

Here in Dearborn/Dearborn Hts., many fly the Lebanese and other (arabic) flags higher and larger than the Stars and Stripes, yet no one in local government seems to care or at least "educate" those people. 

[da prez]

What happened to the flag rules of conduct. In school we were taught and in the military , the respect was continued. The potus in charge and the pos wife have shown little to no respect for our country and our flag. How he stays in office is unknown.
  I will probably be on the $hit list after this post.

       potus (pieceoftotallyuseless$hit)
 For some reading , look at the Mexican laws governing conduct and respect to their nation and flag.

                                      da prez

[Safety Steve]

I said it before Obma is a sleeper cell and he is bring this country to its knees, he is a ass and his wife is a ass, and this PC crap is bull crap, call a spade a spade, the next thing they will demaind is that Gorege Washington and Thomas Jefferson be taken off of MT Rushmore.
If Obam had been white he would of been thrown out of office in his 1st term. I just don't understand the media its like they are afread to write anything bad or trueful about him and you can also take that other raceis Oprah Winfrey and get her the hell out of the conutry, if they and go back to school and see what the civil war was really about, THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE THE GET THE HELL OUT NO ONE WILL MISS YOU.......

[Davemn]

I said it before Obma is a sleeper cell and he is bring this country to its knees, he is a ass and his wife is a ass, and this PC crap is bull crap, call a spade a spade, the next thing they will demaind is that Gorege Washington and Thomas Jefferson be taken off of MT Rushmore.
If Obam had been white he would of been thrown out of office in his 1st term. I just don't understand the media its like they are afread to write anything bad or trueful about him and you can also take that other raceis Oprah Winfrey and get her the hell out of the conutry, if they and go back to school and see what the civil war was really about, THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE THE GET THE HELL OUT NO ONE WILL MISS YOU.......

I think 13 states tried that and it didn't work out so well.

[Bighead]

I said it before Obma is a sleeper cell and he is bring this country to its knees, he is a ass and his wife is a ass, and this PC crap is bull crap, call a spade a spade, the next thing they will demaind is that Gorege Washington and Thomas Jefferson be taken off of MT Rushmore.
If Obam had been white he would of been thrown out of office in his 1st term. I just don't understand the media its like they are afread to write anything bad or trueful about him and you can also take that other raceis Oprah Winfrey and get her the hell out of the conutry, if they and go back to school and see what the civil war was really about, THIS IS A FREE COUNTRY IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT HERE THE GET THE HELL OUT NO ONE WILL MISS YOU.......

I think 13 states tried that and it didn't work out so well.

Tried what?

[BudMan]

I think 13 states tried that and it didn't work out so well.
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Tried what?
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Glad I'm not the only one that couldn't follow that line of reasoning...

[Davemn]

I think 13 states tried that and it didn't work out so well.

Tried what?
[/quote]


Glad I'm not the only one that couldn't follow that line of reasoning...
[/quote]
It's very simple. 13 states didn't believe this was the greatest country in the world. They tried to leave. Got thumped. Didn't work out so well.
The OP said if you don't like it here...get out, no one will miss you. Maybe next time the rest of the country won't care or maybe get thumped again. Follow?

[Gavin_Sons]

Yeah dave, exceptmthis time there are about 14 million more people fed up with yhe way our leaders are running and treating the country. And when the first few states secede from the union dont you think most others will follow? They dont want any state to secede because that is that much less tax money for the government.

[dreamaker]

The way I see it is, it is not about a flag, or the mountain figures and statues, it is about what they can get away with. Its about, freedom of ones expression, ones free speech and even ones though, likes and dislikes. These thing are becoming a crime, if you are on the wrong side of the fence, if you know what I mean. I believe in live and let live, but when groups make me have to look over my shoulder every time I talk to someone it offends me, it pisses me off. The flag is only an excuse for a strangle hold on our way of life. I know it is not a perfect system, but it is a workable one. Why is it the people that couldn't care less, the criminals and the ones that contribute the least have all the rights and have all the marbles. Pay attention around you!!!! The flag issue is only a diversion, for what in going on in the background, like a magic show, its about misdirection.  Think about the little freedoms we use to have, and can't do any more, these groups are just chipping away a little at a time. As the thing we knew as freedom of speech, freedom of action and freedom of though. Don't have to believe me just think about it!!!  Many of you may feel it is not my problem, but it will be over time, at that point it is too late. If you want to do something, send letters, emails, or even call your state and federal Senators and Representatives and ask questions about our issues. Be polite, and courteous to them if you want help. Keep in mind out of sight out of mind, another wards if you don't let them know you care, they think you are happy the way thing are. Thing are going get allot worst, and  patient will become short.

[The emperor has no clothes]

"Think about the little freedoms we used to have and can't do anymore"  Which ones are you referring to. The little freedom of keeping women from voting ? The little freedom of having black people segregated ? Get real dude. We have more freedom now than we ever have. And if you are having to look over your shoulder every time you have a conversation that might be a little voice in your head telling you what you are saying is wrong 

[Skinhead]

"Think about the little freedoms we used to have and can't do anymore"  Which ones are you referring to. The little freedom of keeping women from voting ? The little freedom of having black people segregated ? Get real dude. We have more freedom now than we ever have. And if you are having to look over your shoulder every time you have a conversation that might be a little voice in your head telling you what you are saying is wrong 

I think his point is that even if what you say is wrong, you where still free to say it without being charged with a crime.   Now weare heading in that direction, people losing their livelihood over a comment that offends someone. 

I have always said, "you are entitled to your opinion, no matter how wrong you are", now, not so much.

If you can,t see what's happening, your part of the problem.

[dreamaker]

"Think about the little freedoms we used to have and can't do anymore"  Which ones are you referring to. The little freedom of keeping women from voting ? The little freedom of having black people segregated ? Get real dude. We have more freedom now than we ever have. And if you are having to look over your shoulder every time you have a conversation that might be a little voice in your head telling you what you are saying is wrong 

I think you have been doing a little to much Ganja, and suffer from tunnel vision. Maybe you are to young to see. Women the right to vote, kind of a lame point is that, they deserve that right! Apparently you are sheltered and not I touch. Read your news paper, better yet, go on the net and check out the news to see what goes on in Detroit, daily. Shows you how they express their freedom, I'm sure other cities suffer the same freedoms. You do understand I am being sarcastic. I live still in a good neighborhood, friends, shot to death over a few dollars at their store. Maybe your right! The freedom to do and take what they want. Get Real!!!! You got a bike check it out yourself.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Dreamaker , which freedoms have been taken from you ?

[dreamaker]

Dreamaker , which freedoms have been taken from you ?

Meathead, I am not the enemy, PC is the enemy (Politically Correctness) To me it is like a big checker or chess game , I am just stating what patterns I see.  But!  I guess if you never had it, I assume you can never loose it!!  I checked out the Crime Stats in your area assuming you live in AZ as you show, compared to what is out here, your area is just mischief, compared to the big picture.  Be thankful!!

[The emperor has no clothes]

Dreamaker , which freedoms have been taken from you ?

Meathead, I am not the enemy, PC is the enemy (Politically Correctness) To me it is like a big checker or chess game , I am just stating what patterns I see.  But!  I guess if you never had it, I assume you can never loose it!!  I checked out the Crime Stats in your area assuming you live in AZ as you show, compared to what is out here, your area is just mischief, compared to the big picture.  Be thankful!!

Never thought you were the enemy. You stated we are losing our freedom. I thought I asked a pretty simple straight forward question .

[dreamaker]

If you have to ask that question, we will never understand each other.  If you don’t see that the right to religious freedom is depleting, the right for freedom of expression is depleting, the right for freedom of opinion is depleting, and so on, you will never see it.  You stated, if I have to look over my shoulder, as I am talking to someone privately I must be saying something wrong. I am not talking about being racist or sexist, just a private open discussion. Whether you like or dislike, agree or not agree with it is my opinion and feelings. You people feel if someone is not correct in their statement, they must be bad person. I proudly say I am a hands on person and worked at our World Headquarter for 23 yrs, so I had to deal with allot of tie wearing, pencil neck, PC minded people that couldn’t find their a$$ with both hands.  In PC, there is no right or wrong, it is what people choose it to be, Chaos, Doubt, Total Confusion.
Depleting rights is like a dripping faucet, which seems to be no problem, until you vapor lock when you see the bill. It will be slow and slight.  You are looking for something monumental to be lost to be obvious for you to see.  To be truthful, I don’t care what you think. This is America think what you will, it’s your right.

Got to go got some real leaky pipes to fix.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm trying to understand . In what way have your religious freedoms and freedom of opinions been curtailed ?

[big d]

Dreamaker , which freedoms have been taken from you ?

As a chef I can not refuse to cater a civil union between couples of the same sex if my religious views are in conflict. My second amendment rights are always in peril of being taken away at every turn. I.E. If some one uses a car to kill people it is a lunatic that killed them, but if they use a gun it's the guns fault and legal gun owners have laws that restrict them. How come I have to show identification at my bank and illegal immigrants don't have to show any. It is now against the law to prevent free standing water on my property, even temporary free standing water such as puddles to remain on my property.  These are just a few that are being taken away. Need more???

[The emperor has no clothes]

Dreamaker , which freedoms have been taken from you ?

As a chef I can not refuse to cater a civil union between couples of the same sex if my religious views are in conflict. My second amendment rights are always in peril of being taken away at every turn. I.E. If some one uses a car to kill people it is a lunatic that killed them, but if they use a gun it's the guns fault and legal gun owners have laws that restrict them. How come I have to show identification at my bank and illegal immigrants don't have to show any. It is now against the law to prevent free standing water on my property, even temporary free standing water such as puddles to remain on my property.  These are just a few that are being taken away. Need more???

A persons religious views don't trump another's civil liberties. And the possibility of losing your 2nd amendment rights is NOT losing your rights. Examples : My religious views can not keep me from serving a person of color. The possibility of me losing my right to vote is NOT losing my right to vote. I have no examples of the standing water because I don't know the NY regulations that I assume covers what you are referring to.

[dreamaker]

I'm trying to understand . In what way have your religious freedoms and freedom of opinions been curtailed ?

I am not a tree hugger, I give up, you win!!!! Your right, life is to short!

[big d]

Dreamaker , which freedoms have been taken from you ?

As a chef I can not refuse to cater a civil union between couples of the same sex if my religious views are in conflict. My second amendment rights are always in peril of being taken away at every turn. I.E. If some one uses a car to kill people it is a lunatic that killed them, but if they use a gun it's the guns fault and legal gun owners have laws that restrict them. How come I have to show identification at my bank and illegal immigrants don't have to show any. It is now against the law to prevent free standing water
on my property, even temporary free standing water such as puddles to remain on my property.  These are just a few that are being taken away. Need more???

A persons religious views don't trump another's civil liberties. And the possibility of losing your 2nd amendment rights is NOT losing your rights. Examples : My religious views can not keep me from serving a person of color. The possibility of me losing my right to vote is NOT losing my right to vote. I have no examples of the standing water because I don't know the NY regulations that I assume covers what you are referring to.

It is now against the law to refuse to cater a gay or lesbian wedding or party.so another persons civil liberties does trump ones religious views. The government is also trying to force private companies to provide birth control. I never mentioned color. How does color relate to religious views. Let's keep it on point and not throw up a smoke screen like the typical liberal. How is losing my second amendment rights not losing my rights??? And as far as the standing water that is a new law signed into law by the EPA. No one is able to divert water, even temporary free standing water on their property without the possibilities of being fined...

[Oss]

The delegitimizing of people who do not agree
is a symptom of the times we live in IN THIS COUNTRY and around
the world.

It is not a new phenomenon

It is as old as civilization itself

What is new now IN THIS COUNTRY is the fact that people in general appear to have less interest in digging into the meat of the facts and a very short attention span

This plays into the hands of those who wish their world order

Take away guns, take away rights to live ones life in ones own way
Tax, fine, punish,
Reward incompetence, reward women for having children
reward people for not working
reward companies for poisoning our seeds (GMO corn for example)
reward chinese by making it impossible to make electric transformers in the USA
and making us dependent on the good will of those who hate us

Do you REALLY believe that we have as much freedom as 30 yrs ago?

This is not telling a black person they cant use a rest room
It will be having a church or house of worship lose tax exempt status for NOT conducting a marriage
There are country clubs down the road that used to have signs no jews or blacks allowed
We are past that and have been for years.  I havent seen that in my travels in the south so far or in the north.
Serving food?   I dont see the religious aspect there.  A person ordering a cake is a person ordering a cake

[The emperor has no clothes]

Dreamaker , which freedoms have been taken from you ?

As a chef I can not refuse to cater a civil union between couples of the same sex if my religious views are in conflict. My second amendment rights are always in peril of being taken away at every turn. I.E. If some one uses a car to kill people it is a lunatic that killed them, but if they use a gun it's the guns fault and legal gun owners have laws that restrict them. How come I have to show identification at my bank and illegal immigrants don't have to show any. It is now against the law to prevent free standing water
on my property, even temporary free standing water such as puddles to remain on my property.  These are just a few that are being taken away. Need more???

A persons religious views don't trump another's civil liberties. And the possibility of losing your 2nd amendment rights is NOT losing your rights. Examples : My religious views can not keep me from serving a person of color. The possibility of me losing my right to vote is NOT losing my right to vote. I have no examples of the standing water because I don't know the NY regulations that I assume covers what you are referring to.

It is now against the law to refuse to cater a gay or lesbian wedding or party.so another persons civil liberties does trump ones religious views. The government is also trying to force private companies to provide birth control. I never mentioned color. How does color relate to religious views. Let's keep it on point and not throw up a smoke screen like the typical liberal. How is losing my second amendment rights not losing my rights??? And as far as the standing water that is a new law signed into law by the EPA. No one is able to divert water, even temporary free standing water on their property without the possibilities of being fined...

Yes a persons civil liberties does trump religious views, I thought that's what I said. I used the person of color as an example. If my religious views say that people of color are not who I want to serve, my religious views don't trump their civil liberties. How have you lost your 2nd amendment rights ? Because you think it's possible that you might lose them is not the same as losing your rights. And that was my original post to dreamaker. He said we are losing our freedoms. I challenged him to say which freedoms he has lost. I haven't seen anything yet close to it. I'm not familiar with the standing water rules that you talked about . So I can't give any answers on that.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm trying to understand . In what way have your religious freedoms and freedom of opinions been curtailed ?

I am not a tree hugger, I give up, you win!!!! Your right, life is to short!

"I'm not a tree hugger" . Uh OK. I'm not sure what that has to do with losing freedoms.

[Serk]

Dreamaker , which freedoms have been taken from you ?

As a chef I can not refuse to cater a civil union between couples of the same sex if my religious views are in conflict. My second amendment rights are always in peril of being taken away at every turn. I.E. If some one uses a car to kill people it is a lunatic that killed them, but if they use a gun it's the guns fault and legal gun owners have laws that restrict them. How come I have to show identification at my bank and illegal immigrants don't have to show any. It is now against the law to prevent free standing water
on my property, even temporary free standing water such as puddles to remain on my property.  These are just a few that are being taken away. Need more???

A persons religious views don't trump another's civil liberties. And the possibility of losing your 2nd amendment rights is NOT losing your rights. Examples : My religious views can not keep me from serving a person of color. The possibility of me losing my right to vote is NOT losing my right to vote. I have no examples of the standing water because I don't know the NY regulations that I assume covers what you are referring to.

It is now against the law to refuse to cater a gay or lesbian wedding or party.so another persons civil liberties does trump ones religious views. The government is also trying to force private companies to provide birth control. I never mentioned color. How does color relate to religious views. Let's keep it on point and not throw up a smoke screen like the typical liberal. How is losing my second amendment rights not losing my rights??? And as far as the standing water that is a new law signed into law by the EPA. No one is able to divert water, even temporary free standing water on their property without the possibilities of being fined...

Yes a persons civil liberties does trump religious views, I thought that's what I said. I used the person of color as an example. If my religious views say that people of color are not who I want to serve, my religious views don't trump their civil liberties. How have you lost your 2nd amendment rights ? Because you think it's possible that you might lose them is not the same as losing your rights. And that was my original post to dreamaker. He said we are losing our freedoms. I challenged him to say which freedoms he has lost. I haven't seen anything yet close to it. I'm not familiar with the standing water rules that you talked about . So I can't give any answers on that.

There's a subtle but important difference between someone refusing to provide goods or services to another PERSON because they're gay, and someone refusing to provide goods or services to a RITUAL that they strongly believe is against their religious conventions.

See the difference?

I haven't seen any of the famous bakeries or pizza places yet say they wouldn't serve gay customers. I've only seen 'em saying they refuse to become a part of a gay wedding ritual. Subtle, but very important difference in those two things.

[Willow]

There's a subtle but important difference between someone refusing to provide goods or services to another PERSON because they're gay, and someone refusing to provide goods or services to a RITUAL that they strongly believe is against their religious conventions.

See the difference?

I haven't seen any of the famous bakeries or pizza places yet say they wouldn't serve gay customers. I've only seen 'em saying they refuse to become a part of a gay wedding ritual. Subtle, but very important difference in those two things. 

Serk, you and I see many things very differently but in this case I think you have again stated it exactly correctly.

The problem in the way our friend, the meathead, stated that civil liberties trump religious views (something our founding fathers would never have agreed to) is that people of certain ilks up to and including the Supreme Court justices have begun to and continue to define civil liberties that were never included in either the Constitution or, in many cases, any law passed even at a lesser level.  Once they start down the road of "civil liberties trump religious freedom" they progress headlong toward "your religious freedom only exists so long as it does not significantly disagree with my own religious or irreligious views."   

[The emperor has no clothes]

There's a subtle but important difference between someone refusing to provide goods or services to another PERSON because they're gay, and someone refusing to provide goods or services to a RITUAL that they strongly believe is against their religious conventions.

See the difference?

I haven't seen any of the famous bakeries or pizza places yet say they wouldn't serve gay customers. I've only seen 'em saying they refuse to become a part of a gay wedding ritual. Subtle, but very important difference in those two things. 

Serk, you and I see many things very differently but in this case I think you have again stated it exactly correctly.

The problem in the way our friend, the meathead, stated that civil liberties trump religious views (something our founding fathers would never have agreed to) is that people of certain ilks up to and including the Supreme Court justices have begun to and continue to define civil liberties that were never included in either the Constitution or, in many cases, any law passed even at a lesser level.  Once they start down the road of "civil liberties trump religious freedom" they progress headlong toward "your religious freedom only exists so long as it does not significantly disagree with my own religious or irreligious views."   

We have always been on the road of"civil liberties trumps religious views". There was a time that religion believed witches were among us and had to be removed. Thankfully civil liberties trumped those religious beliefs. It's been a constant struggle through out our history. I'm sure the witch hunters felt their religious freedoms were being curtailed also.

[Willow]

Serk, you and I see many things very differently but in this case I think you have again stated it exactly correctly.

The problem in the way our friend, the meathead, stated that civil liberties trump religious views (something our founding fathers would never have agreed to) is that people of certain ilks up to and including the Supreme Court justices have begun to and continue to define civil liberties that were never included in either the Constitution or, in many cases, any law passed even at a lesser level.  Once they start down the road of "civil liberties trump religious freedom" they progress headlong toward "your religious freedom only exists so long as it does not significantly disagree with my own religious or irreligious views."   

We have always been on the road of"civil liberties trumps religious views". There was a time that religion believed witches were among us and had to be removed. Thankfully civil liberties trumped those religious beliefs. It's been a constant struggle through out our history. I'm sure the witch hunters felt their religious freedoms were being curtailed also.

The sentence I emboldened is pure falsely generated bullshit.  The example given is typical, meathead, of folks of the mindset you're choosing to follow.  It is made up of a few short lived incidents and was not a trend. Possibly you've read something I haven't that caused you to believe that trumping "civil liberties" is what put an end to those few incidents.  If you did it wasn't true.

Certainly there are instances that are extreme enough, and your example were it true would likely be one, in which someone following his religious belief resulted in physical harm to someone who did not subject himself to that belief.  That should be prohibited.  That's not an example of civil liberties trumping religious belief only an instance of the law prohibiting one person from harming another.  I'm pretty certain that a person choosing not to participate in someone else's marriage ceremony doesn't fall into that category.

Straw men and horseshit.  We're starting to get accustomed to that form of argument.  I think that's the right I have lost which concerns me the most, the right to be contested by a logical argument that actually makes some sense.

You do have nice choices in motorcycle colors.    

[The emperor has no clothes]

Yes it was an example of someone simply hurting another. The point is it was done by people of faith in order to cleanse the community. The bigger point I was trying to make to dreamaker is as a whole we have more freedom now than any other time in our history.

[Serk]

Yes it was an example of someone simply hurting another. The point is it was done by people of faith in order to cleanse the community. The bigger point I was trying to make to dreamaker is as a whole we have more freedom now than any other time in our history.

Your definition of freedom is evidently very different from mine.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Yes it was an example of someone simply hurting another. The point is it was done by people of faith in order to cleanse the community. The bigger point I was trying to make to dreamaker is as a whole we have more freedom now than any other time in our history.

Your definition of freedom is evidently very different from mine.

Probably, but how are we less free ?

[specialdose]

    Serk , your post is spot on......

[Alien]

Although I am a supporter of gay rights, I am disturbed by the idea of businesses being forced to do anything.  I firmly believe that a private enterprise should have the right to refuse service to anyone.  At that point, public opinion will dictate whether or not they will remain in business, not the state.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Although I am a supporter of gay rights, I am disturbed by the idea of businesses being forced to do anything.  I firmly believe that a private enterprise should have the right to refuse service to anyone.  At that point, public opinion will dictate whether or not they will remain in business, not the state.

To a certain degree I agree. But when those services are provided by just a few and they could have life or death circumstances I think the govt. has to step in. I could envision a pharmacist saying he will not provide a medicine because of religious beliefs.

[Serk]

Although I am a supporter of gay rights, I am disturbed by the idea of businesses being forced to do anything.  I firmly believe that a private enterprise should have the right to refuse service to anyone.  At that point, public opinion will dictate whether or not they will remain in business, not the state.

For once I 100% agree with you.

And Meathead, let me try to further explain the subtle difference between refusing a person and refusing a service I was trying to illustrate above.

Christian Baker refusing to bake a cake for gay people - Bad.
Christian Baker refusing to bake a cake for a gay wedding ceremony - Okay.

Let me change a few bits to see if it makes more sense.

Gay Baker refusing to bake a birthday cake for a member of Westboro Baptist Church - Bad.
Gay Baker refusing to bake a "GOD HATES FAGS" cake for a member of Westboro Baptist Church - Okay.

Black jewelry maker refusing to make a ring for a member of the KKK - Bad.
Black jewelry maker refusing to make a "KILL THE BLACKS" ring for a member of the KKK - Okay.

Another way to illustrate the point, these bakers for instance who don't want to be a part of a gay wedding, it wouldn't matter if the PERSON ordering the cake was gay or straight, it's the CAKE they don't want to make, and thus by making it become a part of a ceremony they don't want any part of.


But as Alien alluded to above, why would you want to force someone to take your business who doesn't want your business? Just go elsewhere, and let the market decide.

[Serk]

Yes it was an example of someone simply hurting another. The point is it was done by people of faith in order to cleanse the community. The bigger point I was trying to make to dreamaker is as a whole we have more freedom now than any other time in our history.

Your definition of freedom is evidently very different from mine.

Probably, but how are we less free ?

Freedom to buy or not buy a product that the government has decided I must buy.
Freedom to start a business and not pay for birth control (How can a woman's reproductive parts be 100% not my business, and at the same time 100%  my financial responsibility?)
Freedom to buy a set of lawn darts.
Freedom to make a phone call without that call being snooped.
Freedom to not get felt up while traveling internally.
Freedom to conduct business with cash.
Freedom to not have my library habits cataloged.
Freedom of association without fear of a weaponized IRS being used to attack me.
Freedom to not be assassinated by executive order with no trial or judicial process.
Freedom to buy a civilian AR15 or AK47 and not be flagged as a potential gun runner.
Freedom to buy 2 or more handguns in 10 days from the same dealer and not be flagged as a potential gun runner.
Freedom to participate or not as I choose in someone else's religious ceremony.

Just a few examples off the top of my head...

[The emperor has no clothes]

Yes it was an example of someone simply hurting another. The point is it was done by people of faith in order to cleanse the community. The bigger point I was trying to make to dreamaker is as a whole we have more freedom now than any other time in our history.

Your definition of freedom is evidently very different from mine.

Probably, but how are we less free ?

Freedom to buy or not buy a product that the government has decided I must buy.
Freedom to start a business and not pay for birth control (How can a woman's reproductive parts be 100% not my business, and at the same time 100%  my financial responsibility?)
Freedom to buy a set of lawn darts.
Freedom to make a phone call without that call being snooped.
Freedom to not get felt up while traveling internally.
Freedom to conduct business with cash.
Freedom to not have my library habits cataloged.
Freedom of association without fear of a weaponized IRS being used to attack me.
Freedom to not be assassinated by executive order with no trial or judicial process.
Freedom to buy a civilian AR15 or AK47 and not be flagged as a potential gun runner.
Freedom to buy 2 or more handguns in 10 days from the same dealer and not be flagged as a potential gun runner.
Freedom to participate or not as I choose in someone else's religious ceremony.

Just a few examples off the top of my head...

You were correct . Our definitions are different. To me those pale in consideration to the freedoms that we have gained. 

[Serk]

Yes it was an example of someone simply hurting another. The point is it was done by people of faith in order to cleanse the community. The bigger point I was trying to make to dreamaker is as a whole we have more freedom now than any other time in our history.

Your definition of freedom is evidently very different from mine.

Probably, but how are we less free ?

Freedom to buy or not buy a product that the government has decided I must buy.
Freedom to start a business and not pay for birth control (How can a woman's reproductive parts be 100% not my business, and at the same time 100%  my financial responsibility?)
Freedom to buy a set of lawn darts.
Freedom to make a phone call without that call being snooped.
Freedom to not get felt up while traveling internally.
Freedom to conduct business with cash.
Freedom to not have my library habits cataloged.
Freedom of association without fear of a weaponized IRS being used to attack me.
Freedom to not be assassinated by executive order with no trial or judicial process.
Freedom to buy a civilian AR15 or AK47 and not be flagged as a potential gun runner.
Freedom to buy 2 or more handguns in 10 days from the same dealer and not be flagged as a potential gun runner.
Freedom to participate or not as I choose in someone else's religious ceremony.

Just a few examples off the top of my head...

You were correct . Our definitions are different. To me those pale in consideration to the freedoms that we have gained. 

Such as?
Marriage equality is the only one I can think of...