N O SSI increase in January

[da prez]

From what I read ( on line, it must be true) there is no increase in January due to the cost of living adjustment.  I read that since gasoline cost has gone down , it was worked into the formula that we did not need more money.
 S O , those of you on ssi that do not drive , go buy some gas and have it on your cereal for breakfast. 


                                            da prez

[Momz]

Those DAMN BASTARDS!!!!

[solo1]

Yeah, those arseholes in DC will give themselves raises but, even tho medical, groceries, and utilities  have gone up, no COLA because of gas going down.

Those on 'fixed' income ,like me, have seen  that the income buys less.

[Patrick]

Those bad ole republicans are at it again !   

The cost of everything seems to skyrocketing, except gasoline.  But, even at $2.36/gl thats still about a buck too high.  This is probably the repubs fault too. 

[old2soon]

And as I understand it-fuel-auto or home-is NOT figured when they do the C O L A. Sumbitchin politicians-yes most of the time a bad word fer me-can make anything they do suit them.  I'm with you Wayne-that P O S potus wants to go golfing more so screw the retirees out of money we ACTUALLY have need of. Vote every one of the lyin cheatin worthless scumbag sonsabitches OUT now.  And NO way NO how do the hildabitchbeast need o be potus!  RIDE SAFE.

[Alpha Dog]

Yeh.  And contrary to what they use to do they no longer figure the cost of food in inflation which is a major expense for the lower and middle class.  The cost of food has almost doubled in the last five years.

They did the same in 95 when they did not count those whose unemployment ran out into the unemployment rate.  At that time maybe not such a big deal, but it makes a huge difference now.  I remember saying at the time this figure will someday come back to bite us in the ass as it may make an adminstration look much better than what is actually happening, and that day has been in the last six years.
Chuck

[Michvalk]

Actually, the POTUS has NOTHING to do with any cost of living increase.  The do nothing House has ALL to do with it.

[JimmyG]

Everyone needs to quit bitching!  How we gonna give all the illegals SS disability income if we  get raises??

[baldo]

Actually, the POTUS has NOTHING to do with any cost of living increase.  The do nothing House has ALL to do with it.

Don't bother, michvalk.......Facts aren't generally recognized.

[Romeo]

Actually, the POTUS has NOTHING to do with any cost of living increase.  The do nothing House has ALL to do with it.

Don't bother, michvalk.......Facts aren't generally recognized.

now that's surely the pot calling the kettle black.
Plenty of blame being laid on the two houses of congress as well as the asshole president.
The do nothing congress has more than a little to do with tea party conservatives actually representing the wishes of their constituents and refusing to do the bidding of the fat cats and lobbyists.
If the folks responsible for putting the bills up for a vote (the leadership) would actually do so, maybe the real onstructionists would be exposed.

[surfcityred]

Isn't is funny how they NEVER run out of welfare money but they are always saying that SS is doomed.  Meanwhile, the welfare folks (and illegal aliens) have big screen TVs, cars, food stamps, free breakfast, lunches and dinners for their kids, free medical, etc.  When is this crap gonna stop?  We work hard all our lives and then we have to support people and give them SS when they are here illegally. 

[G-Man]

Actually, the POTUS has NOTHING to do with any cost of living increase.  The do nothing House has ALL to do with it.

Don't bother, michvalk.......Facts aren't generally recognized.

You know, you're a condescending schmuck!  You really are.  One person misplaced blame and another corrected it.    But you just can't resist throwing digs at fellow club members.  Maybe it's because he didn't provide the "fact" in the snide, attacking way you do, that you think it won't be recognized.  That's you're, and few other's M.O. 

[baldo]

Actually, the POTUS has NOTHING to do with any cost of living increase.  The do nothing House has ALL to do with it.

Don't bother, michvalk.......Facts aren't generally recognized.

You know, you're a condescending schmuck!  You really are.  One person misplaced blame and another corrected it.    But you just can't resist throwing digs at fellow club members.  Maybe it's because he didn't provide the "fact" in the snide, attacking way you do, that you think it won't be recognized.  That's you're, and few other's M.O. 

Misplaced blame? No, it's the constant blasting and blaming of Obama that is predominate on this forum that I was referring to. I happen to be a supporter of him, the vast majority of this forum are not. They take every opportunity to make snide, ridiculous comments about him and his administration, facts be cursed. Childishly calling him name after name. We all get it, you don't like him. It's way past time to accept that he's there.

He's not perfect, but thank God he won the election, twice and not the other guys. I will continue to stand up for him when I feel it's warranted. Man, I wish I was here when Bush was in office.

As far as being a schmuck. I disagree. In fact, I'm thought of as a pretty decent guy. A good friend, good worker, good mechanic. So think what you will, I don't really care, thick skin and all. But I will continue to voice my opinion, minority be cursed. And you've got eight more years of the other party in the Big House ahead of you. So settle in.

[ArkyBubba]

Here are a couple of FACTS: 1) This is only the 3rd time since the COLA was enacted in 1975 that SS recipients won't get a raise. All 3 times have been since Obama was elected.
2)The national debt has risen from 6 trillion to over 18 trillion and counting. Again, all since Obama was elected.

[Wizzard]

Actually, the POTUS has NOTHING to do with any cost of living increase.  The do nothing House has ALL to do with it.

Don't bother, michvalk.......Facts aren't generally recognized.

You know, you're a condescending schmuck!  You really are.  One person misplaced blame and another corrected it.    But you just can't resist throwing digs at fellow club members.  Maybe it's because he didn't provide the "fact" in the snide, attacking way you do, that you think it won't be recognized.  That's you're, and few other's M.O.  

Misplaced blame? No, it's the constant blasting and blaming of Obama that is predominate on this forum that I was referring to. I happen to be a supporter of him, the vast majority of this forum are not. They take every opportunity to make snide, ridiculous comments about him and his administration, facts be cursed. Childishly calling him name after name. We all get it, you don't like him. It's way past time to accept that he's there.

He's not perfect, but thank God he won the election, twice and not the other guys. I will continue to stand up for him when I feel it's warranted. Man, I wish I was here when Bush was in office.

As far as being a schmuck. I disagree. In fact, I'm thought of as a pretty decent guy. A good friend, good worker, good mechanic. So think what you will, I don't really care, thick skin and all. But I will continue to voice my opinion, minority be cursed. And you've got eight more years of the other party in the Big House ahead of you. So settle in.

All you have to do is go back and look at the history in this forum and you will see how Bush was handled here.

[baldo]

Here are a couple of FACTS: 1) This is only the 3rd time since the COLA was enacted in 1975 that SS recipients won't get a raise. All 3 times have been since Obama was elected.
2)The national debt has risen from 6 trillion to over 18 trillion and counting. Again, all since Obama was elected.

You're correct. Those are facts. I'm not an economist, but some quick research into both areas provides some explanation.

1) COLA calculations are based on CPI, which includes the price of just about everything we need to live our lives. It appears that low gas prices has been the main factor in determining not to increase the COLA. I don't know if that holds true for all three years that had no increase, though. It's apparent that there needs to be a better way to calculate COLA. It hits seniors on a fixed income the hardest. Everything is going up, and they don't have the opportunity or ability to bring in other income...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2015/10/15/lack-of-inflation-is-bad-news-for-social-security-recipients/..

2) Debt is very high. Again, I'm a mechanic/upholsterer and not an economist, so I base my knowledge on what I read. It's a fact that the large increase in debt when Obama began his first term is because the previous administration kept the wars off the books. We're still in the Middle East, it's expensive. Obama changed that, thus getting the blame. I'm sure you all remember that. As far as the rest of the debt, I really don't know what in particular is the primary driver. Further research will provide some answers...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/01/07/the-story-behind-obama-and-the-national-debt-in-7-charts/

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

I just came across this.....http://globegazette.com/news/iowa/sanders-back-new-formula-to-determine-social-security-cola-for/article_5d2f2c3d-a1f2-5ddc-bb26-b8af02cd10e4.html

That is all.

[Wizzard]

here is a follow up to your fact.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/2012/02/15/fact-checking-ap-fact-checker-woodward-bush-did-not-keep-cost-wars-out-b
and BTW,,, I remember Obama promising during his run that his administrations policies would cut the budget deficit in half.

[musclehead]

Here are a couple of FACTS: 1) This is only the 3rd time since the COLA was enacted in 1975 that SS recipients won't get a raise. All 3 times have been since Obama was elected.
2)The national debt has risen from 6 trillion to over 18 trillion and counting. Again, all since Obama was elected.

one correction, the debt went from ten trillion to 18,000,000,000,000 under this president.

carry on.

[Wizzard]

Here its real clear

http://dailysignal.com/2009/03/24/bush-deficit-vs-obama-deficit-in-pictures/

[musclehead]

Here are a couple of FACTS: 1) This is only the 3rd time since the COLA was enacted in 1975 that SS recipients won't get a raise. All 3 times have been since Obama was elected.
2)The national debt has risen from 6 trillion to over 18 trillion and counting. Again, all since Obama was elected.

You're correct. Those are facts. I'm not an economist, but some quick research into both areas provides some explanation.

1) COLA calculations are based on CPI, which includes the price of just about everything we need to live our lives. It appears that low gas prices has been the main factor in determining not to increase the COLA. I don't know if that holds true for all three years that had no increase, though. It's apparent that there needs to be a better way to calculate COLA. It hits seniors on a fixed income the hardest. Everything is going up, and they don't have the opportunity or ability to bring in other income...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/wp/2015/10/15/lack-of-inflation-is-bad-news-for-social-security-recipients/..

2) Debt is very high. Again, I'm a mechanic/upholsterer and not an economist, so I base my knowledge on what I read. It's a fact that the large increase in debt when Obama began his first term is because the previous administration kept the wars off the books. We're still in the Middle East, it's expensive. Obama changed that, thus getting the blame. I'm sure you all remember that. As far as the rest of the debt, I really don't know what in particular is the primary driver. Further research will provide some answers...
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/01/07/the-story-behind-obama-and-the-national-debt-in-7-charts/

That's my story, and I'm sticking to it.

all would be good with that, but the debt is the debt if we include wars or not. there was an explosion of debt caused by deficit spending starting in 2009. the democrats got away with 2 years of not submitting a budget, which is illegal says the constitution, and the run away government expansion was on.

[Patrick]

The answer from most liberals is that 'its what they hear'. They of course hear that from the lame-stream media. News is not news today, it has become a news channel agenda, their liberal agenda. Most of those reporters today are not journalists, they are commentators.

[dinosnake]

Here are a couple of FACTS: 1) This is only the 3rd time since the COLA was enacted in 1975 that SS recipients won't get a raise. All 3 times have been since Obama was elected.
2)The national debt has risen from 6 trillion to over 18 trillion and counting. Again, all since Obama was elected.

one correction, the debt went from ten trillion to 18,000,000,000,000 under this president.

carry on.

Yes.  And if you bother to remember some facts, the ones you conveniently forget because of who is involved...

A) a large portion of that debt was from programs started into motion by the previous administration.  And most of those programs were wise and needed because

B) we tried the conservative way of restricted spending during an economic crisis and it failed miserably.  It's called, for those with absolutely no historical record, "The Great Depression" and "Herbert Hoover".  Hoover did the usual 'Pull yourself up by your own bootstraps', 'Don't worry, better times are ahead if only you believe in the free market' rah-rah chant..and only managed to turn a recession into the Great Depression.  Look it up, almost every economist blames Hoover for failing to take effective action to stop the collapse of our economy...by inflexibly sticky to a belief system that got us to that point in the first place.

So the money spent by the federal government, as "pump priming", was absolutely necessary as shown by historical prescient.  Even Bush knew this, and started the money ball rolling (and pretty fast and hard, too).

C)  The hardest fact of all: since 1980 every president except one has increased the federal deficit - every president minus one was a deficit spender.  The first?  Ronald Reagan, our first Republican in the modern mold.  The only president who didn't overspend?  Bill Clinton, our only other Democrat besides Obama in 35 years.

Carry on  

[baldo]

The answer from most liberals is that 'its what they hear'. They of course hear that from the lame-stream media. News is not news today, it has become a news channel agenda, their liberal agenda. Most of those reporters today are not journalists, they are commentators.

Well Patrick, I hope you're not including me in the "what I hear" crowd. If I don't understand or have any knowledge of something, I find the information. I avoid the hyper partisan sources because they have their own heavy slant. I try to find something in the middle, which isn't always easy. And I don't rely on just one source. Try to find a consensus, an average.

The 'lame-stream media'....very Palin-esque. And we know how that turned out.

Which reminds me, if we're going to have a link war, I pledge to not use links to sites like HuffPo or Daily Kos, if you guys stay away from Breitbart, Fox 'News', Heritage Foundation etc. Let's stick to the middle.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The answer from most liberals is that 'its what they hear'. They of course hear that from the lame-stream media. News is not news today, it has become a news channel agenda, their liberal agenda. Most of those reporters today are not journalists, they are commentators.

Well Patrick, I hope you're not including me in the "what I hear" crowd. If I don't understand or have any knowledge of something, I find the information. I avoid the hyper partisan sources because they have their own heavy slant. I try to find something in the middle, which isn't always easy. And I don't rely on just one source. Try to find a consensus, an average.

The 'lame-stream media'....very Palin-esque. And we know how that turned out.

Which reminds me, if we're going to have a link war, I pledge to not use links to sites like HuffPo or Daily Kos, if you guys stay away from Breitbart, Fox 'News', Heritage Foundation etc. Let's stick to the middle.

Dude, that's like asking a crack whore not to use a lighter 

[baldo]

The answer from most liberals is that 'its what they hear'. They of course hear that from the lame-stream media. News is not news today, it has become a news channel agenda, their liberal agenda. Most of those reporters today are not journalists, they are commentators.

Well Patrick, I hope you're not including me in the "what I hear" crowd. If I don't understand or have any knowledge of something, I find the information. I avoid the hyper partisan sources because they have their own heavy slant. I try to find something in the middle, which isn't always easy. And I don't rely on just one source. Try to find a consensus, an average.

The 'lame-stream media'....very Palin-esque. And we know how that turned out.

Which reminds me, if we're going to have a link war, I pledge to not use links to sites like HuffPo or Daily Kos, if you guys stay away from Breitbart, Fox 'News', Heritage Foundation etc. Let's stick to the middle.

Dude, that's like asking a crack whore not to use a lighter 

  ...Don't I know it....all I can do is try.

[John Schmidt]

Wonder how old some of the current admin. supporters happen to be. When I read some of the tripe handed down re. our current mess and the referring to "facts" I'm reminded of a something my dad used to say: "Figures don't lie, but liars figure"(he was a history & economics prof.) Say all you want about how great our current president is, the reality is quite simple; things are worse. Period!  Cost of health care has gone up and continues to do so at an alarming rate, average household income is down over $5k annually, unemployment is up considerably, food stamp recipients are up over 100%, gov't. control/meddling in business enterprise continues to increase. So where do we place the blame for the present sorry state of affairs? On the prior admin. or on the changes mentioned that came into being during and as a result of the current administration. A result of someone with no experience in anything, unwilling to listen to anyone other than those advisors he appointed, and most of them were no more experienced in the business world than obama. His advisors/cabinet is noted for having the lowest cumulative level of business experience of any president going back almost to the beginning. If I were going to start a business, one of the first things I'd do would be to surround myself with people that have experience in the field I'm wanting to invest my time and money in.

As for the man himself, I don't care to get into the "natural born" issue. It's too far gone at this point to do much about it. But he lacks a major area of experience.....that of being a child of and raised in this great country. The majority of his childhood was spent overseas so he has no basis for comparison, no basis for pride in the country we all grew up in. For example, as a child he never attended a 4th of July parade, watched the flag go by, have the excitement a child gets during a fireworks display, or attend classes where you learn about our country and take part in discussions. By his own admission, that's not how the schools were conducted that he attended as a child. Again, by his own admission....as a nation if push comes to shove he has stated more than once that he will side with the muslims. With such  narrow-mindedness and no experience, how can one possibly be successful running a country when you have no background to draw from?

He reminds me of the "king and his new clothes" and it would appear some of you are his tailor. 

[Patrick]

I agree John. But, we know some that won't.

[baldo]

Wonder how old some of the current admin. supporters happen to be. When I read some of the tripe handed down re. our current mess and the referring to "facts" I'm reminded of a something my dad used to say: "Figures don't lie, but liars figure"(he was a history & economics prof.) Say all you want about how great our current president is, the reality is quite simple; things are worse. Period!  Cost of health care has gone up and continues to do so at an alarming rate, average household income is down over $5k annually, unemployment is up considerably, food stamp recipients are up over 100%, gov't. control/meddling in business enterprise continues to increase. So where do we place the blame for the present sorry state of affairs? On the prior admin. or on the changes mentioned that came into being during and as a result of the current administration. A result of someone with no experience in anything, unwilling to listen to anyone other than those advisors he appointed, and most of them were no more experienced in the business world than obama. His advisors/cabinet is noted for having the lowest cumulative level of business experience of any president going back almost to the beginning. If I were going to start a business, one of the first things I'd do would be to surround myself with people that have experience in the field I'm wanting to invest my time and money in.

As for the man himself, I don't care to get into the "natural born" issue. It's too far gone at this point to do much about it. But he lacks a major area of experience.....that of being a child of and raised in this great country. The majority of his childhood was spent overseas so he has no basis for comparison, no basis for pride in the country we all grew up in. For example, as a child he never attended a 4th of July parade, watched the flag go by, have the excitement a child gets during a fireworks display, or attend classes where you learn about our country and take part in discussions. By his own admission, that's not how the schools were conducted that he attended as a child. Again, by his own admission....as a nation if push comes to shove he has stated more than once that he will side with the muslims. With such  narrow-mindedness and no experience, how can one possibly be successful running a country when you have no background to draw from?

He reminds me of the "king and his new clothes" and it would appear some of you are his tailor. 

I'm very interested to see where you get your numbers. 5K per household, where does that come from? Unemployment up???   Sorry, it's at historic lows...http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS14000000..and I really don't want to take the time to go into anything else. I've worn out my keyboard going back and forth over this, and the crazy still comes out.

And I'm sorry, but once someone starts making noise about his Muslimness, how he grew up in another country (he spent approx 4 yrs in Indonesia), and how he didn't get to see fireworks ????? . I have a real hard time taking that person serious. What's next? He was born somewhere else? Don't you ever get tired?

[Master Blaster]

Back to the subject, its ironic that they are making money both ways, not giving us an increase, plus more money on gas sales.  Since they charge tax per gallon, and since gas is cheaper, more of it is being sold they are able to double dip.  Of course they can rig the study to make it say what they want.

[John Schmidt]

Baldo, if you include the millions that no longer draw unemployment or have quit looking...i.e., the true unemployment record, then you get a number much higher than D.C. likes to share. They cook the books on that and every time that question is asked at a news conference or elsewhere, you get to see the Mexican Hat Dance while they do everything but answer the question. As for your rather lame comments re. his childhood and not seeing fireworks, etc., are you seriously not bright enough to realize I was merely giving examples of what we all experienced as kids. It's not restricted to the events I mentioned, I only listed them because across this nation such things do represent our culture as do many other things. Things such as Friday night HS football games, Little League, the list goes on and on. As for 4 yrs. in Indonesia, that hardly represents a person's entire childhood. I'm well aware of that period, but that's not the only country he spent his younger years in.

FWIW, over the years I've voted about even re. party affiliation when it comes to presidents. But this fool we now have in office is an insult, not only to the nation and its standing, but to the office he holds. I'm done with this post, I'll not return.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Baldo, if you include the millions that no longer draw unemployment or have quit looking...i.e., the true unemployment record, then you get a number much higher than D.C. likes to share. They cook the books on that and every time that question is asked at a news conference or elsewhere, you get to see the Mexican Hat Dance while they do everything but answer the question. As for your rather lame comments re. his childhood and not seeing fireworks, etc., are you seriously not bright enough to realize I was merely giving examples of what we all experienced as kids. It's not restricted to the events I mentioned, I only listed them because across this nation such things do represent our culture as do many other things. Things such as Friday night HS football games, Little League, the list goes on and on. As for 4 yrs. in Indonesia, that hardly represents a person's entire childhood. I'm well aware of that period, but that's not the only country he spent his younger years in.

FWIW, over the years I've voted about even re. party affiliation when it comes to presidents. But this fool we now have in office is an insult, not only to the nation and its standing, but to the office he holds. I'm done with this post, I'll not return.

Didn't Hawaii become a state in '59 ?

[baldo]

Baldo, if you include the millions that no longer draw unemployment or have quit looking...i.e., the true unemployment record, then you get a number much higher than D.C. likes to share. They cook the books on that and every time that question is asked at a news conference or elsewhere, you get to see the Mexican Hat Dance while they do everything but answer the question. As for your rather lame comments re. his childhood and not seeing fireworks, etc., are you seriously not bright enough to realize I was merely giving examples of what we all experienced as kids. It's not restricted to the events I mentioned, I only listed them because across this nation such things do represent our culture as do many other things. Things such as Friday night HS football games, Little League, the list goes on and on. As for 4 yrs. in Indonesia, that hardly represents a person's entire childhood. I'm well aware of that period, but that's not the only country he spent his younger years in.

FWIW, over the years I've voted about even re. party affiliation when it comes to presidents. But this fool we now have in office is an insult, not only to the nation and its standing, but to the office he holds. I'm done with this post, I'll not return.

Uh, yes John. I realized what you were saying. Next time I'll try to be a little clearer in my responses.

And what other countries did he spend 'his younger years' in? This should be interesting. As meathead points out, Hawaii gained statehood in 1959, before he was born. IN HAWAII....

Have a good night.

[Patrick]

You don't even know where your president was brought up !?  You really need to get out more often.

[The emperor has no clothes]

You don't even know where your president was brought up !?  You really need to get out more often.

And that would be ?

[baldo]

You don't even know where your president was brought up !?  You really need to get out more often.

And that would be ?

You beat me to it, meathead. Yes Patrick, enlighten us please.

[solo1]

John has one the most lucid and truthful post here.  I agree with him.

I grew up in The Great Depression.  I helped support my family as my father was sick.  I worked in a War Defense Plant when I was going to high school. I served in the Korean War.  I raised a great family.
I was a city councilman.  With the exception of the political office, the POTUS did none of these things.

I will say that the present POTUS has done more to divide the country, has done more to lessen these United States, is the most incompetent, and above all, is the greatest liar of any president that I've ever seen and I've seen many.

And THAT, is not subject to discussion!

[baldo]

John has one the most lucid and truthful post here.  I agree with him.

I grew up in The Great Depression.  I helped support my family as my father was sick.  I worked in a War Defense Plant when I was going to high school. I served in the Korean War.  I raised a great family.
I was a city councilman.  With the exception of the political office, the POTUS did none of these things.

I will say that the present POTUS has done more to divide the country, has done more to lessen these United States, is the most incompetent, and above all, is the greatest liar of any president that I've ever seen and I've seen many.

And THAT, is not subject to discussion!

Solo, I respect your experiences. But I disagree. It's most definitely open for discussion.

I've asked repeatedly for other members to validate positions that are very similar to yours. Positions that I disagree with. When pressed, the vast majority just mumble and go away, leaving nothing on the table. I'm not trying to be a jerk, but when I read these posts that time after time make vague statements such as yours, I'm going to ask for proof.

I support Obama. That's plain to see. He's not perfect, but thank God it's him and not the other guys sitting there.

We'll just have to agree to disagree. If you want to discuss it further, I'll be here.

[The emperor has no clothes]

John has one the most lucid and truthful post here.  I agree with him.

I grew up in The Great Depression.  I helped support my family as my father was sick.  I worked in a War Defense Plant when I was going to high school. I served in the Korean War.  I raised a great family.
I was a city councilman.  With the exception of the political office, the POTUS did none of these things.

I will say that the present POTUS has done more to divide the country, has done more to lessen these United States, is the most incompetent, and above all, is the greatest liar of any president that I've ever seen and I've seen many.

And THAT, is not subject to discussion!

Wayne, we are all individuals. You did many things that he didn't. He has done many things that you or I haven't. I'm not sure how you can say he didn't raise a great family though.

[solo1]

To tell the truth I had forgotten about his kids, I'll grant that.

[solo1]

I'm not trying to be a jerk, but when I read these posts that time after time make vague statements such as yours, I'm going to ask for proof. QUOTE by Baldo.

Baldo, you seem to automatically assume that those who don't want to back up their statements are 'vague'

At 87 years of age, I do have knowledge that isn't vague in my mind.  However, to what point would it do any good to try to change your opinion?  I really don't have the inclination to discuss it.  You, however, would be making a BIG mistake if you assume that people are ignorant because they don't want to engage.


Just this day, I served on the bi monthly meeting of the Board of Works and Safety in our city. The other member of the Board asked me to identify a pistol that she wanted to sell.  She has always  admitted that she was severely antigun and wanted to get this antique pistol out of the family.

Rather than go into a lenghty discussion with her which would've proved nothing, I merely gave her my opinion, NOT a discourse on where she was wrong.  That simple exchange did not lessen my knowledge of my experience with firearms.  So, No further discussion.  You have your opinion and I have mine.  DO NOT disrespect me for my refusal to  become part of a futile discussion.!

Cheers, Wayne, Solo1