Our Open minded people

[dreamaker]

What are your thoughts or opinions, on a couple of TV programs coming on national TV this month.   One is called Lucifer on Fox TV and the other is called the Angel from Hell on CBS. Kind of saddens me, I thought Jane Lynch is a good, versatile actress, but I am not a fan of her role on AfH!  These programs popping up, makes me feel like they are trying to glorify the black cults. "Ya Lucfer is really a nice guy" type of mind set.  OR THAN maybe its just me!!!

[Patrick]

Hmmm, I haven't heard of these shows. Might be interesting. I very seldom watch fictional series.

[MP]

Don't know if they "glorify" Lucifer, or not.

I try not to judge actors by the roles they play, work you know.

However, if they espouse the same ideas in private life, then I do.

[Valker]

Many people are hungry for anything 'spiritual' whether that is a positive OR negative spirit. That's the only explanation for the popularity of the Vampire, Zombie, Magic type shows and books. Some are of the thinking that humans are physical beings with spirits. I think we are spiritual beings with physical bodies. This explains the desire to fill some area of our lives with spiritual things. These can be oriented in many ways. Even Atheism is a spritual belief system. People have to choose which "spirits" to devote time and attention to.

[DarkSideR]

I don't watch TV. For a number of reasons. 1st and foremost.. the drug commercials that go on, and on, and on drive me nuts. Next is.. well.. there really isn't anything worth watching. Turn off the TV, take a walk, detail the Valk, talk to a loved one, write a letter, or pick up a book. 

[Valkorado]

I saw the Lucifer show advertisement and had similar thoughts, seemed like he was portrayed as a misunderstood guy.  A sign of the times, I guess.  It won't be on my watch list.

[Kirb]

Interesting. Haven't seen either show so couldn't comment. But media in general has been bending truth and reality as a method of entertainment for a long time. Especially spiritual issues as they often don't understand them. So shows are written from the writers paradigm which is often 1.  distorted 2. Enhanced for effect.
I gave up on wholesome TV when they cancelled Captain Kangaroo. 

[dreamaker]

I don't watch TV. For a number of reasons. 1st and foremost.. the drug commercials that go on, and on, and on drive me nuts. Next is.. well.. there really isn't anything worth watching. Turn off the TV, take a walk, detail the Valk, talk to a loved one, write a letter, or pick up a book.  

On the most part I agree with you, I look at TV as an avenue of information. Sounds dumb, Right. I watch crap like the Wendy Williams show, to me it is like chewing broken glass, but it make me aware of peoples mind set, and whether I should walk with my back to the wall. To me TV is Fake, its Pure Crap and Garbage, but the thing that concerns me, is there are many people out there, believe it to be true. See America tends to be a major melting pot, when it comes to Medias like TV having a strong negative influence on people, young and old alike. Its like people that obsess themselves with fictional books, and run away from themselves. Reading a book is fine, as long as you don't start believing that fiction is true.  TV is worst, because it is media for people too lazy to read a book, and it is in your face!!

One of my favorite programs was "Meet Mr. Wizard"

[Robert]

I don't watch these shows but it fits the way things are going, not surprising at all just plain sad. We were told the way things would go so it should not be surprising to anyone.

Satan is portrayed as an angle of light and as the Stones song Sympathy for the devil goes what could be wrong? Just like weege boards and such most don't connect the spiritual significance to the so called simple shows or acts like these. We have become so much line of sight type of people not knowing anything other than what we see. New Age, Aquarius and societies that proclaim satan as the hero for giving man kind knowledge. Even on the flip side the shows that the women watch like all the soap operas or girl shows are really the equivalent of porn to men.

[Momz]

How about "Hunting Bigfoot"?

I bet the Sashquatch is an atheist.

[Willow]

With very few exceptions I have moved away from network television shows years ago. The television networks and the movies are in business primarily to make money.  It's what a business does.  They will tend to produce what people are buying.  I'm not buying what the culture at large is buying so I really don't see a point in shopping where the culture is shopping.  I do see some value in what you mentioned of watching just to see what people are believing but I really don't want to get too dirty discovering that a lot of people are swimming in mudholes.

Incidentally, the title of the thread rubs on me a bit.  Non-Christians and social Christians tend to use the term "religious people" to avoid offending.  Christians who follow the leadings of Christ tend to not be "religious" people although they do practice a religion.  Come to think of it, when we recognize religion not as formal ceremonial behavior, but the rules and values that govern how we lead our lives, we all practice some form of religion, don't we?

That's more than you needed or probably wanted to know.  The answer to the original question, in short form, is that I have no real interest in either of the television shows you mentioned.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

With very few exceptions I have moved away from network television shows years ago. The television networks and the movies are in business primarily to make money.  It's what a business does.  They will tend to produce what people are buying.  I'm not buying what the culture at large is buying so I really don't see a point in shopping where the culture is shopping.  I do see some value in what you mentioned of watching just to see what people are believing but I really don't want to get too dirty discovering that a lot of people are swimming in mudholes.

Incidentally, the title of the thread rubs on me a bit.  Non-Christians and social Christians tend to use the term "religious people" to avoid offending.  Christians who follow the leadings of Christ tend to not be "religious" people although they do practice a religion.  Come to think of it, when we recognize religion not as formal ceremonial behavior, but the rules and values that govern how we lead our lives, we all practice some form of religion, don't we?

That's more than you needed or probably wanted to know.  The answer to the original question, in short form, is that I have no real interest in either of the television shows you mentioned.   

I'm curious what a "social Christian" is. I've never heard that term before. I'm guessing someone who attends church for the social aspect ?

[Willow]

I'm curious what a "social Christian" is. I've never heard that term before. I'm guessing someone who attends church for the social aspect ?

It's my own term but generally understood within some circles.

A social Christian is one of whom the measure his Christianity is that he belongs to or identifies with a certain group, usually a church but who has no particular personal relationship with nor in practice acknowledges the ownership of Jesus Christ on his life.

One who does not identify himself as Christian has no reason to distinguish between a social and relationship Christian.  For what it's worth, within the realm of practicing Christians we were likely all (or almost all) social Christians at one time.  It may therefore not necessarily be a determination of what a person is but perhaps merely where he is on the journey. 

[cookiedough]

I like shows like ax-men or other tv shows like living in alaska (alaskan bush people) to see how other people live and in what other places they do it in.  Anything religious related I do not watch.

I also like watching street outlaws,  racing hyped up 1500hp cars drag racing on the streets supposedly illegally, but if it was illegal, wouldn't the cops already know who to arrest then since is televised??  Sort of like the show Moonshiners making illegal moonshine in TN or NC, etc.    If they are seen on TV making illegal alcohol, don't you think in REAL life the cops can arrest them seeing the TV show?  

[The emperor has no clothes]

  Thanks Willow 

[Patrick]

I think most folks I know are social christians.

They go to church out of tradition and as a social function or fashion show. They know virtually nothing about their religion or/nor have read their bible.

[dreamaker]

Whether it rubs you wrong or not I can't help that, I guess my intention is not to offend the none believers in God, and respect their beliefs, I guess it is how you want to interpret it. No matter how bad something is, I can find good in it, no matter how good something is I can find bad in it, Its just how you interpret it I guess.  If they choose to take part, than fine. I do realize they all do it for money, profit and bragging rights, it just seems there is no boundaries these days. Unfortunately my brain pick up these trends, that could be baiting good people, so I just pass it on, "Just be aware" that all.

[Willow]

Whether it rubs you wrong or not I can't help that, ...

LOL!  You can.  Whether or not you choose to do so is your option.  Pick the path you wish to walk but keep in mind that I'm right.  If I were not right I would change my mind.

 

[Oss]

I like top chef  KIDS   They look out for each other and are great cooks

Also I like Undercover Boss to see how a CEO can learn from his employees

We NEVER watch a show with commercials, only use the DVR
and I never watch network news for the same reason

I like WSOP (world series of poker).

Mostly though I read books and check out this board in the evenings

Would not watch a show about angels or the devil, just not my thing.   I do remember though as a kid watching re runs of Topper   Does that count?

[dreamaker]

Now don't go crazy and vapor lock, OK, this is just my opinion and my observations, through my eyes. There is a word which is Mimic, now keep that word in mind. First I am not telling people what to watch, OK,  On TV there is a show called the Simpsons, funny and harmless, right, but parents don't understand why children are obnoxious and disrespectful to elders and people in general. Now this is just my feelings, children do not belong on TV shows, in commercials od TV in general, they should be building models, tree houses, snowmen or anything creative to them. The way I see it is parents are pimping out their children to TV for fame and money.

The place I retired from, I was a Prototype Model Maker and a Highspeed Imaging Tech. I have a lot of experience in film and video editing and camera and Camcorder work. OK!   Far as Undercover Boss, do you notice that they are generally in good to perfect framing most of the time, no hidden cameras, its known as POV, like you are there but invisible of a sort. So if someone walked around with a video camera, wouldn't you think something is up, like maybe something is not normal. So how are all these people so candid, do they wake up with a new mind every morning.

Not trying to slam you programs, but to me they are fake, and they have serious influence on people watching it, so with these two new shows I was talking about starting in Jan. can they maybe influence weak minded. Now back to Mimic, have you ever mimic someone's actions or words or phrases, that is called mimic or being influenced in a small way. So what do you think, rubber room or not.

[Gryphon Rider]

Just two more shows that present a completely fictional characterization of spiritual beings.  I think God has been mischaracterized far more grievously than Satan or angels.  It's unlikely that I'll watch more than a few minutes of either of those shows.  Shows that portray religious people without condescension are getting more an more rare.  Blue Bloods is one of those.  There are a small handful of shows that I DVR.  The one I currently enjoy most is Quantico.

[Gryphon Rider]

Now don't go crazy and vapor lock, OK, this is just my opinion and my observations, through my eyes. There is a word which is Mimic, now keep that word in mind. First I am not telling people what to watch, OK,  On TV there is a show called the Simpsons, funny and harmless, right, but parents don't understand why children are obnoxious and disrespectful to elders and people in general. Now this is just my feelings, children do not belong on TV shows, in commercials od TV in general, they should be building models, tree houses, snowmen or anything creative to them. The way I see it is parents are pimping out their children to TV for fame and money.

The place I retired from, I was a Prototype Model Maker and a Highspeed Imaging Tech. I have a lot of experience in film and video editing and camera and Camcorder work. OK!   Far as Undercover Boss, do you notice that they are generally in good to perfect framing most of the time, no hidden cameras, its known as POV, like you are there but invisible of a sort. So if someone walked around with a video camera, wouldn't you think something is up, like maybe something is not normal. So how are all these people so candid, do they wake up with a new mind every morning.

Not trying to slam you programs, but to me they are fake, and they have serious influence on people watching it, so with these two new shows I was talking about starting in Jan. can they maybe influence weak minded. Now back to Mimic, have you ever mimic someone's actions or words or phrases, that is called mimic or being influenced in a small way. So what do you think, rubber room or not.

Your point about the word, "mimic", went over my head, unless you are talking about real kids mimicking the disrespectful kids they see on TV.  My kids have never seen an episode of The Simpsons, AFAIK.

I've only recently watched Undercover Boss once, but that was last night, so I can comment on what I saw.  It isn't a hidden camera show, but they get the disguised boss and cameras in there under a fictional pretense, e.g. yesterday's show had the boss portrayed as someone who was trying out jobs within the company as part of a contest to win a company franchise.

[solo1]

The only tv show that I've watched lately is Blue Bloods  To me, it is a more realistic picture of Christianity. They hold to their Faith without fanfare or pushing it on others, while still showing that they aren't perfect.

I don't watch any shows or movies that supposedly have a Christian theme..  Too many are over the top with people who aren't real. I'll take that back.  I did watch The Passion of the Christ.

I will not watch the two tv shows mentioned, sounds like some more bullcrap, which is typical of tv shows.   

[hubcapsc]

There's a season 1 episode of Gunsmoke... The Preacher...

A troubled man comes to town, gets all beat up, doesn't even seem to
care. He won't help Matt stop the man who is beating him up "because
it just doesn't matter"... He's up in Doc's office getting treated after a
beating, and Matt is there... they find out what his problem is: he's a preacher
who's lost his faith! The look on Doc's and Matt's faces when they learn that...
they have to leave the room... neither of them knows what to do, they're
dumbfounded at the very idea...

That's not the plot of any shows made recently I don't think 

-Mike

[Mr Whiskey]

Gave it up years ago. Rent a movie once-in-a-blue-moon,
but don't watch "TV" per se. Not even the news.

[dreamaker]

When I speak in terms of mimic, is verbiage, body or hand gestures, they tend to mimic each other, you maybe  just don't notice, I see it often. Point is, I am not saying it is bad, I am trying to point out that anyone can be influenced, no matter how old you are. TV is just some form of entertainment, that's all it is, but when people start to believe it, it may be a problem. Its good to know you people are smart enough to know the difference.

[Hooter]

With very few exceptions I have moved away from network television shows years ago. The television networks and the movies are in business primarily to make money.  It's what a business does.  They will tend to produce what people are buying.  I'm not buying what the culture at large is buying so I really don't see a point in shopping where the culture is shopping.  I do see some value in what you mentioned of watching just to see what people are believing but I really don't want to get too dirty discovering that a lot of people are swimming in mudholes.

Incidentally, the title of the thread rubs on me a bit.  Non-Christians and social Christians tend to use the term "religious people" to avoid offending.  Christians who follow the leadings of Christ tend to not be "religious" people although they do practice a religion.  Come to think of it, when we recognize religion not as formal ceremonial behavior, but the rules and values that govern how we lead our lives, we all practice some form of religion, don't we?

That's more than you needed or probably wanted to know.  The answer to the original question, in short form, is that I have no real interest in either of the television shows you mentioned.  

I'm curious what a "social Christian" is. I've never heard that term before. I'm guessing someone who attends church for the social aspect ?

Social Christian----Hypocrite?

[Robert]

Not trying to slam you programs, but to me they are fake, and they have serious influence on people watching it, so with these two new shows I was talking about starting in Jan. can they maybe influence weak minded. Now back to Mimic, have you ever mimic someone's actions or words or phrases, that is called mimic or being influenced in a small way. So what do you think, rubber room or not.

I don't think rubber room at all, innocence  and censorship were the big questions that needed to be taken out of the way to have the things on tv that we see today. In progress the innocence has been taken away and part of the reason was , to influence the younger generations. If you need examples how, then look at music videos teaching kids to be players, hoodlums, gangsters and only money, big butts, sex as being important. I could also say the same thing about video games, we have a few examples of these played out in real life. This is the very thing dreamaker that you brought up.

Willow I liked your answers very much but want to add to the rules that govern, because I think it speaks of reasons or motive for Christians actions and makes the difference more than just learned. The difference between religious or true  Christians that the world just does not understand can be summed up in relationship. Our actions are out of love, we do also emulate, and strive to be like the one who called us. We pick up our cross and follow the one who leads us, where a social christian will not feel the conviction to do so.

  This I think directly addresses the same idea that dreamaker brought up, following an example. Some in love, some in fear, some in mindless action. Kids like some adults don't understand the consequences of their actions.

Just as true Muslims follow or emulate their leader and kill, destroy, lie, and take over.

[dreamaker]

Kind of an interesting term, Social Christian----Hypocrite. There is something I have been looking at, and trying to figure out is Rituals, rather than Social Christian.  Wouldn't they kind of be considered the same thing. It seems this word and concept puts people in a state of numbness, auto pilot, habit or what ever you want to call it, but it seems to have the same end result. Whether it concerns religion or just every day interaction it boils down to Rituals. An automatic, zombie like mind set. I understand Rituals promotes  consistent compatible results, but I don't understand it, and why people go to such extremes with it. May be it has mesmerizing, hypnotic effects to control the masses. Like I said, I don't understand it. So I am looking at Rituals and Social Christian being kind of the same thing.

[Gryphon Rider]

Kind of an interesting term, Social Christian----Hypocrite. ere is something I have been looking at, and trying to figure out is Rituals, rather than Social Christian.  Wouldn't they kind of be considered the same thing. It seems this word and concept puts people in a state of numbness, auto pilot, habit or what ever you want to call it, but it seems to have the same end result. Whether it concerns religion or just every day interaction it boils down to Rituals. An automatic, zombie like mind set. I understand Rituals promotes  consistent compatible results, but I don't understand it, and why people go to such extremes with it. May be it has mesmerizing, hypnotic effects to control the masses. Like I said, I don't understand it. So I am looking at Rituals and Social Christian being kind of the same thing.

I don't think a social Christian is automatically a hypocrite.  A hypocrite is someone whose actions don't match up with their words.  What we are calling a "social Christian", if I'm following this, is someone whose religious practice mainly entails attending church.  They do this mostly for the socializing, but perhaps also because they know that although they are not actively living for Christ, attending church is one thing they can do to try to put some points on the positive side of the ledger.  This is really no more hypocritical than someone who spends money on cigarettes, gambling, or booze, also gives money to a local charity or buys fundraising products from kids.  This can be inconsistent (they don't only spend their money for good), but is not hypocritical.  A "social Christian" isn't typically one who is proselytizing, but is more likely to keep his mouth shut about morality or spirituality, because he knows his inconsistency is obvious.

One might think that those of us who are sincere practitioners of our Christian faith would only want other faithful Christians to attend our services, but that isn't the case.  We know that there are seen and unseen positive results when nominal Christians or the religiously uncommitted attend.  We assume that the preached word of God is having a cumulative impact on their hearts.  We assume that the connections they are forming with strong believers will also have a positive impact.  We assume that God will speak to those whom they regularly or occasionally bring with them.

The value of religious ritual totally depends on the mindsets of those participating.  If one is using the ritual as a reminder to consider the meaning behind the ritual, or uses the ritual as a way of communicating with God or serving his brother, it can have tremendous value.  The ritual will have varying degrees of value from time to time when the ritual is practised; i.e. I might simply be going through the motions one time, but the next time I discover a truth or make a connection with God that is profound.  I have a "ritual" every morning between dressing and having breakfast of going downstairs to pray and read my Bible.  Some mornings my prayers are short and simply repeating what I always pray; other mornings I spend a long time presenting my heart-felt concerns to God.  Sometimes I can hardly focus on the passage I am reading; other times as I read the profundity and timeliness of the truth I am learning deeply impacts me.  If I didn't have the ritual and was easily discouraged by the days when I went through the ritual robotically, I wouldn't be reaping the rewards of my discipline.

[BF]

Never heard of those shows. 

I watch stuff like Fast n' Loud, American Pickers, Big Bang Theory....can't get into drama tv. 

[Alpha Dog]

Diabolical forces are formidable. These forces are eternal and they exist today ( and have always existed most likely )  The devil exist.  God exists.  And for us as people, our very destiny hinges upon which we elect to follow.

Ed Warren

[art]

I liked Bewitched. Elisabeth Montgomery was so hot.

[Robert]

Kind of an interesting term, Social Christian----Hypocrite. ere is something I have been looking at, and trying to figure out is Rituals, rather than Social Christian.  Wouldn't they kind of be considered the same thing. It seems this word and concept puts people in a state of numbness, auto pilot, habit or what ever you want to call it, but it seems to have the same end result. Whether it concerns religion or just every day interaction it boils down to Rituals. An automatic, zombie like mind set. I understand Rituals promotes  consistent compatible results, but I don't understand it, and why people go to such extremes with it. May be it has mesmerizing, hypnotic effects to control the masses. Like I said, I don't understand it. So I am looking at Rituals and Social Christian being kind of the same thing.

Some of life is ritual some is learned, but when learned, the reality to that person could be called ritual or an accumulation of life experiences that effects behavior and establishes a database in that person to make decisions from. Anyone can be led to water but you cannot make them drink. Its personal choice on where you want to be or who you want to be. Ritual is not always good either. Any person can be shown a door either good or evil, but its personal choice that accepts the path.

There are many reasons people choose to stay where they are, even when its told to them there is so much more. It takes effort, time, desire, change, learning, and introspection to truly know that there is more. Sometimes it only comes with a disliking where we are and wanting more. That is why its the job of the Holy Spirit to open hearts and minds to the acceptance of the Gospel is the only way its truly done. But its by agreement with the Spirit that we move on.

We are sheep, dirt, dogs, and many more unflattering terms as God calls us. But we are loved and wanted so when we are weak we are strong not in our power but in the power of the Spirit who helps us to even pray. He gives us the desire to know Jesus, He is the Spirit of Truth who tells us all truth and when we rely and ask as children its this power that raised Jesus from the dead that helps us to live even when our own desires go against the will of God for us. Its this power that is absent from the life of those social Christians who accept ritual rather than relationship. Just as the Pharisees in Jesus day crucified Him on  selfish  desires rather than accept His new way. Change is not comfortable to us as humans but change in us is what God calls us to, from glory to glory to glory. Its only by love, trust and faith that we commit to moving in directions and doing things that may be uncomfortable but God Calls us to do. If we worship our life rather than the life giver then we may stop progressing in our walk with God. The story of the rich man comes to mind.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Dreamaker , I'm curious why you changed the title of your post ?

[dreamaker]

No bid deal, Willow said he was bothered by how I applied the title, so to keep peace in the family, I modified it slightly.

[dreamaker]

Just FYI The first episode of Angel from Hell will be on CBS, on Jan. 7, 2016.  And the first episode of Lucifer will be on FOX TV, on Jan 25,2016.  I am not suggesting to watch it, just letting you know the dates, and maybe letting people aware of the backdoor influence.

[Chrisj CMA]

I will not be watching either.  However, I am not surprised.  As time goes on, it will get worse and worse.  Evil will continue to win over good with increasing success until the end.  That's when we (His children) win!

To me the term social Christian describes a non Christian.  Millions of Americans claim to be a Christian and don't even know what it means.  There will be weeping and gnashing of teeth!

[Lyonardo]

Do you know what the real irony is? The name "Lucifer" is only used in the King James bible once, and it wasn't referring to satan at all. Modern bible readers sometimes read a specific verse from a specific chapter. In this case it's Isaiah chpt 14, verse 12. But if you grab a bible and read the entire chapter, or even better, the entire book of Isaiah, it's clear he was referring to the arrogant kind of Babylon, who had the gall to raise himself as a god-king... just like the pharaoh's of Egypt.

The being who led the revolt in heaven, and was defeated along with 1/3 of heaven's population was "shaitan" which was spelled "satan" in the KJV.

Another ironic thing? Although most biblical names used in the KJV are the British version of the same exact name from the text... "Lucifer" was not used at all in the original Hebrew testament. The word for shining light was "halal". King James the 1st assembled a team of scholars, and it was they who decided to replace halal with a commonly used Latin word with a similar meaning. Lucifer, is Latin for morning star. British scholars used it to describe Venus, and at one point it was even a brand name for early matches... which shows that folks back then didn't associate that word with satan.
So, the prophet Isaiah seemed to be sarcastically calling a king "bright one" before describing how God would bring him low. British translators decided to use a commonly used Latin word to push the point home, and it's us modern people who got it all mixed up!

[Robert]

The being who led the revolt in heaven, and was defeated along with 1/3 of heaven's population was "shaitan" which was spelled "satan" in the KJV.

Shaitan, also spelled Sheitan, Arabic Shayṭān,  in Islāmic myth, an unbelieving class of jinn (“spirits”); it is also the name of Iblīs, the devil, when he is performing demonic acts.

While I understand your point I don't find it ironic and the explanation is below. That name you quote is Islamic and not Christian or Jewish in origin. Islam is about 1400 years old making it fairly new compared to Hebrew or Christian text.


Luk 10:18  "Yes," He told them, "I saw Satan fall from heaven like lightning!

In Judaism, Satan is a term used since its earliest biblical contexts to refer to a human opponent.
Adversary; accuser. When used as a proper name, the Hebrew word so rendered has the article “the adversary” (Job_1:6-12; Job_2:1-7). In the New Testament it is used as interchangeable with Diabolos, or the devil, and is so used more than thirty times.
He is also called “the dragon,” “the old serpent” (Rev_12:9; Rev_20:2); “the prince of this world” (Joh_12:31; Joh_14:30); “the prince of the power of the air” (Eph_2:2); “the god of this world” (2Co_4:4); “the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience” (Eph_2:2). The distinct personality of Satan and his activity among men are thus obviously recognized. He tempted our Lord in the wilderness (Mat_4:1-11). He is “Beelzebub, the prince of the devils” (Mat_12:24). He is “the constant enemy of God, of Christ, of the divine kingdom, of the followers of Christ, and of all truth; full of falsehood and all malice, and exciting and seducing to evil in every possible way.” His power is very great in the world. He is a “roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour” (1Pe_5:. Men are said to be “taken captive by him” (2Ti_2:26). Christians are warned against his “devices” (2Co_2:11), and called on to “resist” him (Jam_4:7).
Christ redeems his people from “him that had the power of death, that is, the devil” (Heb_2:14). Satan has the “power of death,” not as lord, but simply as executioner.

So considering the name and the description of the name devil, satan and in this time Lucifer accepted to mean the same I think we understand who they are referring to. Or do you think there is a reason to use that name?