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[f6john]

So the new law in North Carolina says you have to use the restroom that is designated the same as your sex at birth. Now this has caused an uproar within the liberal and transgender population as a horrible discrimination against them and the "Justice Dept" is stepping in as they are now being sued by the state of NC for interference and made it plain that federal funding could/would be withheld until this is settled.


So is it time to just do away with gender based toilets? I have passed more than a few women coming out of men's rooms when there wasn't pottie parity and nature called. I can only remember using the Ladies room once and that was with someone else at the door. I don't know any trans-gendered people personally but I may have already stood by one at some urinal for all I know.

I'm somewhat on the fence over the whole issue, what do you think?

[Serk]

I'm somewhat on the fence over the whole issue, what do you think?

Since you asked...

If we have to have a law about this, I'd say go by what's on your driver's license.

The NC law going back to a birth certificate does create problems with real trans folks going into bathrooms that don't make sense for them.

Having a Target policy that anyone can use any bathroom opens the door for pervs.

So, just go by what's on your driver's license. If you're really a trans person you can have your gender changed on your license. Yes, it takes some work to do so but that's just the point.

Just a thought...

But really, whenever I see something like this splitting us up and getting all this attention, I have to wonder what the REAL issue is that we're being distracted from. Me thinks is has nothing to do with bathrooms!

[big d]

Don't know if you are a father, if you are how would you feel knowing a rapist claims to feel like a woman that day uses the bathroom at the same time? Good luck dealing with the potential outcome

[Bighead]

I think the NC governor got it right. And has never been a problem before the Charlotte mayor decided to say you could use either BR that made you feel comfortable,then the Governor steps in and says no is when the problem started

[Robert]

The real issue is not the true transgender but the way the law is then if you think your a man or woman without the equipment then you can use that bathroom.

A kid, adult, can use the woman's bathroom at whim and there have been more incidents of picture taking in the bathrooms. This is the real issue. Any cross dresser, man in woman's clothes, kid who thinks hes a woman or just wants to experience the woman's bathroom is allowed open and complete access to intrude on the privacy of women or men using their bathroom.  

If they could write a law that says if you have committed to change your sex physically then you can use that bathroom I don't think anyone would have a problem with it. But that is a physical difference not an mental one and that is what the gays don't want to be denied. Why wouldn't they be happy considering the cases of abuse to live with this?

[Patrick]

Ah, its about time we do away with our style public bathrooms anyway. We need to 'get with the times' and 'progress' like Europe.

Personally, I don't have a problem sitting in a stall next to woman while I'm farting away. I do that at home everyday, and, my bathrooms don't have stalls.  

[Moonshot_1]

OK.

First, though a very, very small percentage of the population are transgender it is a real issue for these folks. This isn't a rebellious or sinister act. Things are wired wrong and thus some public facilities pose real difficulties.

We, as a society should address the issue. Is it a social priority? No. This isn't something that needs to be rammed down anyone's throats but surely a compassionate and ethical solution can be found.

What we can't have is this very, very small percentage of the population force us to change laws and customs to accommodate them if such accommodations create a danger to our society.
These transgender people are not perverts, but the suggested accommodations do open the doors and open them wide, for the perverted, criminal rapist, and voyeurs. This is unacceptable and the transgender people should find this unacceptable as well.

My suggestion is to have building codes change so new buildings have men's restrooms, women's restrooms and a unisex restroom available.
No one changes or is required to modify existing facilities unless it is desired and tax credits for those who would make changes to their facilities that meet specific guidelines. But all buildings (if applicable) shall continue to have separate facilities for men and women if they already currently do.  

In the meantime, use the facilities as dictated by your body parts. You got one, use the men's, you don't, use the woman's.

 

[Firefighter]

Serk, the percentage of affected people is very low and is not a problem. If these trans people didn't make a noise they could use any bathroom they wanted, like it always has been.

The reason for all the uproar is like I said earlier today on another post, liberals have nothing, no reason to vote for them as they bring nothing to the table, that is why they give everything away. They can make these people into victims, like gays, illegals, women, minorities, prisoners, people without cars, who ever. Then once they are victims they can bail them out, who takes care of you, vote, vote, vote cause your entitled.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Don't know if you are a father, if you are how would you feel knowing a rapist claims to feel like a woman that day uses the bathroom at the same time? Good luck dealing with the potential outcome

I don't know what is in the mind of a rapist. But I have my doubts that they need a bathroom to commit their crimes.

[Red Diamond]

Liberals, Conservatives; seems everyone is against or for something, a constant flow of bitching about something or someone. I would think that no one on this board has ever been in a hospital or store and used a rest room with the images of a man and woman on the same door.

[Daycruiser]

Charlotte should have left well enough alone and the State should not have reacted so quickly or vigorously.  Now we have an issue, a big one that didn't exist until now.  I have worked in countries where there were no toilet designations at all, you just went in did your business and left,  Nobody pays any attention to whom is in there or what they're doing or how they're doing it.  Men, Women, Teens and Children no big deal.  I have had countless women walk past me standing at a urinal and into a stall they go, they don't stop to chat with you or check out your junk they just want to pee and leave like you.  Now that this Transgender thing has been turned into a circus and all the "Fears" that homophobic people have will probably become a self-fulfilling prophecy.  There now will probably be published incidents of somebody being accosted in a Ladies room, real or staged.  Or some guy will expose himself in a ladies room just to make a point or mock the law.  Or maybe a woman will go into the Men's room to make men standing at a urinal feel uncomfortable so "they know what it's like".  I know a few transgender folks, I can tell you would never know these people if they walked into your restroom men's or women's.  They do as the natives do when they use the restroom of their identified gender.  The biological female in this reference who looks and dresses like a man, will go straight to a stall and and close the door.  The male who lives as a female will go straight to a stall and close the door, he sits down so the woman in the room will be none the wiser.   Hell, I see straight men go to stalls all the time because they're too timid to use a urinal and they stand or sit and pee in the potty, I don't know, whatever.  This country has so many gender and sex related hangups it's ridiculous.  Predators don't need a restroom to ferret out their victims, predators don't stand on toilet seats waiting for the next victim to walk in, first of all they don't want to take the chance of getting trapped so they prefer a venue with an escape route like a campus or pubic park or playground.  My fear is we've now created a new problem/crime that didn't really exist before.  People is this country need to get out more and see how folks in many other countries somehow manage to survive without all the gender or sexual biases we seem to have.   My two cents.   Flame away.

[Firefighter]

I agree with you except we don't need to go to any other country to see how they do things. I stii think this is for political purposes.

[Robert]

Charlotte should have left well enough alone and the State should not have reacted so quickly or vigorously.  Now we have an issue, a big one that didn't exist until now.  I have worked in countries where there were no toilet designations at all, you just went in did your business and left,  Nobody pays any attention to whom is in there or what they're doing or how they're doing it.  Men, Women, Teens and Children no big deal.  I have had countless women walk past me standing at a urinal and into a stall they go, they don't stop to chat with you or check out your junk they just want to pee and leave like you.  Now that this Transgender thing has been turned into a circus and all the "Fears" that homophobic people have will probably become a self-fulfilling prophecy.  There now will probably be published incidents of somebody being accosted in a Ladies room, real or staged.  Or some guy will expose himself in a ladies room just to make a point or mock the law.  Or maybe a woman will go into the Men's room to make men standing at a urinal feel uncomfortable so "they know what it's like".  I know a few transgender folks, I can tell you would never know these people if they walked into your restroom men's or women's.  They do as the natives do when they use the restroom of their identified gender.  The biological female in this reference who looks and dresses like a man, will go straight to a stall and and close the door.  The male who lives as a female will go straight to a stall and close the door, he sits down so the woman in the room will be none the wiser.   Hell, I see straight men go to stalls all the time because they're too timid to use a urinal and they stand or sit and pee in the potty, I don't know, whatever.  This country has so many gender and sex related hangups it's ridiculous.  Predators don't need a restroom to ferret out their victims, predators don't stand on toilet seats waiting for the next victim to walk in, first of all they don't want to take the chance of getting trapped so they prefer a venue with an escape route like a campus or pubic park or playground.  My fear is we've now created a new problem/crime that didn't really exist before.  People is this country need to get out more and see how folks in many other countries somehow manage to survive without all the gender or sexual biases we seem to have.   My two cents.   Flame away.

OK so if you cannot tell that they are transgender and they go into a stall and do their business, then,
 I ask you, why did we need to change the law that had been their since the founding of the US?

Actually the gay and transgender population shouldn't have reacted so quickly and vigorously. Then there would have been no problem, I think you have the blame for reaction reversed.

 Since according to you there was no problem then who changed the laws initially?  I know the straights didn't initiate the law or is it like the redefinition of marriage that they had all the rights, just not the name so they had to change things to legitimize a lifestyle and make everyone change and recognize their needs?

As for other countries I dont see to many crossing boarders to be in to many other countries like they come to the US.

The North Carolina law applies only to government-run facilities, and thus liberates private institutions, small businesses, and charities from coercion by the state.

According to the Bureau of Justice Statistics, in 2010, strangers victimized 25% of female victims of rape and sexual assault, and 82% of all juvenile victims were female.  FBI arrest data in 2011 showed that males constituted 98% of those arrested for forcible rape, 79.7% of those arrested for offenses against family and children, and 77.8% of those arrested for aggravated assault.  Moreover, several arrests across the nation have been made (for example: Berkeley, San Jose, and Palmdale in California; Virginia; Oregon; Pennsylvania) wherein male sexual predators, dressed in female attire, were found engaging in lewd and lascivious activities in women’s restrooms.

[Rams]

Quite frankly, this whole thing pisses me off and believe it's a load of crap.

Now that I've said that, which restroom can I use?   

[Bighead]

Seems soon anyone you want

[Jersey mike]

I am a father of 2 girls, when they were old enough to use a bathroom on their own out in public I would not have wanted a man in the bathroom with them. There were times when I had them out when I took them into the men's room but made sure it was empty and then stood by the door and asked anyone trying to come in to please wait a minute while my daughter(s) finished up. Most of the time it was not an issue, only a couple times did I get a huff.

As for the issue at hand, what's wrong with a restroom for trans only. This way they can have their own privacy without issue?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Charlotte should have left well enough alone and the State should not have reacted so quickly or vigorously.  Now we have an issue, a big one that didn't exist until now.  I have worked in countries where there were no toilet designations at all, you just went in did your business and left,  Nobody pays any attention to whom is in there or what they're doing or how they're doing it.  Men, Women, Teens and Children no big deal.  I have had countless women walk past me standing at a urinal and into a stall they go, they don't stop to chat with you or check out your junk they just want to pee and leave like you.  Now that this Transgender thing has been turned into a circus and all the "Fears" that homophobic people have will probably become a self-fulfilling prophecy.  There now will probably be published incidents of somebody being accosted in a Ladies room, real or staged.  Or some guy will expose himself in a ladies room just to make a point or mock the law.  Or maybe a woman will go into the Men's room to make men standing at a urinal feel uncomfortable so "they know what it's like".  I know a few transgender folks, I can tell you would never know these people if they walked into your restroom men's or women's.  They do as the natives do when they use the restroom of their identified gender.  The biological female in this reference who looks and dresses like a man, will go straight to a stall and and close the door.  The male who lives as a female will go straight to a stall and close the door, he sits down so the woman in the room will be none the wiser.   Hell, I see straight men go to stalls all the time because they're too timid to use a urinal and they stand or sit and pee in the potty, I don't know, whatever.  This country has so many gender and sex related hangups it's ridiculous.  Predators don't need a restroom to ferret out their victims, predators don't stand on toilet seats waiting for the next victim to walk in, first of all they don't want to take the chance of getting trapped so they prefer a venue with an escape route like a campus or pubic park or playground.  My fear is we've now created a new problem/crime that didn't really exist before.  People is this country need to get out more and see how folks in many other countries somehow manage to survive without all the gender or sexual biases we seem to have.   My two cents.   Flame away.

OK so if you cannot tell that they are transgender and they go into a stall and do their business, then,
 I ask you, why did we need to change the law that had been their since the founding of the US?

Actually the gay and transgender population shouldn't have reacted so quickly and vigorously. Then there would have been no problem, I think you have the blame for reaction reversed.

 Since according to you there was no problem then who changed the laws initially?  I know the straights didn't initiate the law or is it like the redefinition of marriage that they had all the rights, just not the name so they had to change things to legitimize a lifestyle and make everyone change and recognize their needs?

As for other countries I dont see to many crossing boarders to be in to many other countries like they come to the US.

As for problems at bathrooms there have always been problems at bathrooms this law just makes it easier.

We had laws about bathroom usage with the founding of this country ? 

[baldo]

Charlotte should have left well enough alone and the State should not have reacted so quickly or vigorously.  Now we have an issue, a big one that didn't exist until now.  I have worked in countries where there were no toilet designations at all, you just went in did your business and left,  Nobody pays any attention to whom is in there or what they're doing or how they're doing it.  Men, Women, Teens and Children no big deal.  I have had countless women walk past me standing at a urinal and into a stall they go, they don't stop to chat with you or check out your junk they just want to pee and leave like you.  Now that this Transgender thing has been turned into a circus and all the "Fears" that homophobic people have will probably become a self-fulfilling prophecy.  There now will probably be published incidents of somebody being accosted in a Ladies room, real or staged.  Or some guy will expose himself in a ladies room just to make a point or mock the law.  Or maybe a woman will go into the Men's room to make men standing at a urinal feel uncomfortable so "they know what it's like".  I know a few transgender folks, I can tell you would never know these people if they walked into your restroom men's or women's.  They do as the natives do when they use the restroom of their identified gender.  The biological female in this reference who looks and dresses like a man, will go straight to a stall and and close the door.  The male who lives as a female will go straight to a stall and close the door, he sits down so the woman in the room will be none the wiser.   Hell, I see straight men go to stalls all the time because they're too timid to use a urinal and they stand or sit and pee in the potty, I don't know, whatever.  This country has so many gender and sex related hangups it's ridiculous.  Predators don't need a restroom to ferret out their victims, predators don't stand on toilet seats waiting for the next victim to walk in, first of all they don't want to take the chance of getting trapped so they prefer a venue with an escape route like a campus or pubic park or playground.  My fear is we've now created a new problem/crime that didn't really exist before.  People is this country need to get out more and see how folks in many other countries somehow manage to survive without all the gender or sexual biases we seem to have.   My two cents.   Flame away.

Very well said, DC. Definitely a manufactured outrage. Those that see it as political, simply want it to be...

[baldo]

I am a father of 2 girls, when they were old enough to use a bathroom on their own out in public I would not have wanted a man in the bathroom with them. There were times when I had them out when I took them into the men's room but made sure it was empty and then stood by the door and asked anyone trying to come in to please wait a minute while my daughter(s) finished up. Most of the time it was not an issue, only a couple times did I get a huff.

As for the issue at hand, what's wrong with a restroom for trans only. This way they can have their own privacy without issue?

Just imagine the pushback from the ones that have to write the check to install a third restroom. Never happen.

[old2soon]

My first dealings with a genderless restroom facility was in Japan in 1964. There it was called a benjo. As I remember it the smell emanating from the facility was NOT conducive to talking about anything at all much less dong other than the business at hand. On the other hand I was born and raised in America. Do NOT want a male-no matter what it "thinks" it is in the restroom with my granddaughter or a "female" again-no matter what it thinks it is in the restroom with my grandson. Once upon a time the world was a little safer than it is right now. Long as no one talks to me in the crapper I'm good. Worse comes to worse find a likely looking tree and water it down!   If yer dumpin heard tell corn cobs is ruff!   RIDE SAFE.

[MP]

It applies to ALL facilities, in ALL states.  Justice Dept. includes showers in the ruling.  So, any boy in school, who SAYS he id's as a girl, will be free to use the girls shower.  Glad all you Libs are happy with boys sharing the shower with your young daughters.

Also, the law in NC, and many other states, allow true transgenders to go back, and have their gender changed on their birth certificate.  So, when the law says bathroom of your BC, it will actually match.

[FLAVALK]

Companies faced with this "issue" can easily address the "problem".

Where they currently have a men's and women's restroom, simply take down the words MEN and WOMEN and put a lock on the door. Next, the LGBTMOUSE crowd will sue if the seat is left up or down (depending on his/her/its preference  )

[Rams]

Just imagine the pushback from the ones that have to write the check to install a third restroom. Never happen.

Imagine hell!!!

I'm all for giving them a private rest room, make it a pay as you go.   Let'em pay if they want their own.    Or, put it to a public vote, those in favor can pay for it.   Seems fair to me.   

Might be time to invest in Porta Potties.   

[da prez]

  We have two transgender friends and also are  friends with a gay couple. In conversation , it is not an issue with them, only with the ones that want to make it an issue. Make all restrooms uni-sex. (then someone who is straight can complain why they do not have a bathroom for them). The whole thing is B S. I just came back from Missouri and a couple places I stopped were uni-sex bathrooms. The ones I feel sorry for are the women who have to use them after some slob urinated on the seat (I have been stopped because of this) . When I was still working , I posted a sign in the bathroom (mens) lift the seat before you piss or lick the seat when you are done. .

                                da prez

[Willow]

...  FBI arrest data in 2011 showed that males constituted 98% of those arrested for forcible rape, ...

Wow, Robert!  I'm having a really hard time rationalizing the other 2%.  Even when I was young and virile I cannot imaging my being put in a physical position to successfully participate when being attacked by a woman tough enough to force my submission.

I guess if they bent the definition of rape significantly they could be referring to female on female but I just had a hard time envisioning that that number wasn't 100%.

Of course the other side of that is that being male I didn't believe that someone as pretty as I had to be concerned about it.

 

[Daddie O]

If we shouldn't allow transgender people to use the restroom of the gender they associate with because of the danger of rapists, then by the same logic we shouldn't let people have open carry because of the danger they may be murderers.  You know, for safety reasons.  If someone could take advantage of a bathroom law to commit a crime, surely someone could take advantage of a gun law to commit a crime too. 

Take away or prevent people's rights, it's the conservative way right?

[Firefighter]

As I stated earlier, the reason your government is involved is pure politics, simple.

There are not enough transpeople to change anything or to cause all this attention. The transpeople made the decision to be the way they are and now 99.9 something percent of the rest of us are supposed to change for them! I can't see a reason to make changes.

[Wizzard]

If we shouldn't allow transgender people to use the restroom of the gender they associate with because of the danger of rapists, then by the same logic we shouldn't let people have open carry because of the danger they may be murderers.  You know, for safety reasons.  If someone could take advantage of a bathroom law to commit a crime, surely someone could take advantage of a gun law to commit a crime too. 

Take away or prevent people's rights, it's the conservative way right?

Just proves what I have always said,, its not a gun issue,, its a heart issue. A moral issue if you will.

[baldo]

If we shouldn't allow transgender people to use the restroom of the gender they associate with because of the danger of rapists, then by the same logic we shouldn't let people have open carry because of the danger they may be murderers.  You know, for safety reasons.  If someone could take advantage of a bathroom law to commit a crime, surely someone could take advantage of a gun law to commit a crime too. 

Take away or prevent people's rights, it's the conservative way right?

[Serk]

If we shouldn't allow transgender people to use the restroom of the gender they associate with because of the danger of rapists, then by the same logic we shouldn't let people have open carry because of the danger they may be murderers.  You know, for safety reasons.  If someone could take advantage of a bathroom law to commit a crime, surely someone could take advantage of a gun law to commit a crime too. 

Take away or prevent people's rights, it's the conservative way right?

Okay, a fair comment.

I'll propose this - Anyone can use the bathroom they want, any actual assault or rape will be treated most harshly.

And, in return, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

At all.

Anywhere.

I'm okay with this. Are you?

[Skinhead]

If we shouldn't allow transgender people to use the restroom of the gender they associate with because of the danger of rapists, then by the same logic we shouldn't let people have open carry because of the danger they may be murderers.  You know, for safety reasons.  If someone could take advantage of a bathroom law to commit a crime, surely someone could take advantage of a gun law to commit a crime too.  

Take away or prevent people's rights, it's the conservative way right?

Simple, do away with the gun laws, then they can't take advantage of them to commit a crime.

[Daddie O]

Basically, many conservatives follow this principle either consciously or unconsciously:  Unless you are a straight, white, christian male, you shouldn't have rights.

That is why they have consistently fought against civil rights for women (right to vote, right to equal pay), blacks (right to be free, right to vote, right to equal access to facilities) , gays (right to marry), Mexicans and muslims (right to immigrate), etc.  

It isn't really about water fountains, or restaurants, or busses, or toilets, or the "sanctity of marriage", it is about the fact that we are talking about rights for people that aren't straight, white, christian males.

As for my comment on gun laws, I used it as an example for the purpose of using logic to prove a point.  I am a gun owner myself.  I do believe in some common sense gun laws, and I do not feel they infringe upon my right to bear arms.

[Valkorado]

Quote:
"Basically, many conservatives follow this principle either consciously or unconsciously:  Unless you are a straight, white, christian male, you shouldn't have rights".

You really believe that?  Wow.

[Daddie O]

It's not really opinion, it's fact.  Throughout our history, most have been pretty open about it.

[MP]

Fact?  What a load of crap.  The KKK was essentially all Democratic.  It took Republicans to pass the Civil Rights Act.  It took Republicans, to fight the Civil War, and end slavery.

Your view of history is seriously warped.

[Serk]

I am a gun owner myself.  I do believe in some common sense gun laws, and I do not feel they infringe upon my right to bear arms.

I am a potty user myself. I do believe in some common sense potty laws, and I do not feel they infringe upon my right to use the potty.

See how that works?

[Valkorado]

[Robert]

I'm still not understanding how we have to change bathroom rules for less than 1% of the population just because they decided to change clothes or not. So we have to possibly endanger woman and loose the privacy of a woman using a bathroom. The change in law allows men into woman's bathrooms freely. Why do we have to make less clear who should have the rights to violate privacy norms? Why do we have to inconvenience the whole female population just to satisfy the needs of this few select group of people? Its not a handicap, its not that they altered their physical equipment yet on their word we need to change this.

Why would those of you who care about this small group of people who it may inconvenience not care about the larger group of people? That to me is callus and cold not the other way around.  I guess modesty is not something that most would understand today.

Ok so a 10 year old girl goes into the bathroom and a supposed transgender male comes in. He is not, but a pervert and has a camera and uses the toilet and lingers a little to long while the 10 year old washes her hands and he is next to her. The father cannot say anything either and by standards would not feel comfortable in the same bathroom. How would you feel if this is your daughter or granddaughter

[Daddie O]

Fact?  What a load of crap.  The KKK was essentially all Democratic.  It took Republicans to pass the Civil Rights Act.  It took Republicans, to fight the Civil War, and end slavery.

Your view of history is seriously warped.

I'm sorry, but it is your view of history that is warped.  Notice I had used the term "conservative" as opposed to Democrat or Republican.  You see, the Democratic Party and Republican Party switched names.  The Democratic party of today are the Republicans of yesteryear and vice-versa.  Study a little bit of history and you see this is truth. 

Do you think all the Democrats of the South who were opposed to civil rights all packed up and moved to New York and became civil rights proponents?  Or do you think they stayed in the South and became Republicans?  Is New York Democrat or Republican?  Do the southern states of today vote Democrat or Republican?  In the Civil War, was it the North or the South that was Republican?  Was it the southern conservative, states-rights people that was supporting the Republican President Lincoln?  Or was it the northern liberal that supported President Lincoln and the freedom of slaves?

This whole idea that it is the current Republican Party that is responsible for the freedom of slaves, and for civil rights, is offensive.  The South has always been the bastion of conservative ideology and of bigotry.  Just because Lincoln was a Republican, does not mean the Republican Party of today stands for his ideals.  Do you think if Lincoln was running today he would be running as a Republican, and would be embraced by the Republicans?  His ideas of the role of the federal government vs states rights run completely opposite of what Republicans today believe.

[Daddie O]

I am a gun owner myself.  I do believe in some common sense gun laws, and I do not feel they infringe upon my right to bear arms.

I am a potty user myself. I do believe in some common sense potty laws, and I do not feel they infringe upon my right to use the potty.

See how that works?

It doesn't work actually, and that is because of the lack of agreement as to what is common sense.  Most people will agree that the right to bear arms does not include nuclear weapons.  It does not include napalm, or chemical weapons.  That is common sense.  When it comes to people using a bathroom to urinate or defecate, saying that a person that feels like a man, and maybe even looks and dresses like a man should go into a women's room does not seem like common sense.