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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2016, 03:54:11 PM » |
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Yeah, that is just making people remember this demented individual. Who wants to remember people like that, I would more than likley piss on his death spot, and thats more deserving than he is worth. |
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Yeah, that is just making people remember this demented individual. Who wants to remember people like that, I would more than likley piss on his death spot, and thats more deserving than he is worth. Well I'm sure that would be possible in the evening |
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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2016, 04:16:03 PM » |
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Why on his 'death spot'. His casket or grave would be more appropriate. Maybe just my opinion.
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Why on his 'death spot'. His casket or grave would be more appropriate. Maybe just my opinion.
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Yeah, that is just making people remember this demented individual. Who wants to remember people like that, I would more than likley piss on his death spot, and thats more deserving than he is worth.
This is the kind of thing that SHOULD be remembered (in my opinion anyway). For me, it's the same reason Hitler should be remembered. Remember... and more importantly... LEARN the lesson. And then maybe... just MAYBE... something like this can be stopped in the future before innocent people die. |
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He doesn't deserve burial, put him in a trash bag and dump him in the ocean. Gone for good.
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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2016, 08:17:50 PM » |
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Or....feed him to the pigs. Televise it.
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Or....feed him to the pigs. Televise it.
 you want to televise him being eaten by pigs ? Why ? What would be the purpose ? Would you have your grandkids over with popcorn to watch ? |
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Well....would have to have the proper warnings in place I would imagine. You know, to keep things politically correct and protect the young'uns and all. I am curious why you would want to watch that ? |
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Lordy, Meathead! Didn't think I would need to explain it. For one it is a bit of tongue in cheek (he deserves it) but the second is that, lets say it did happen, it may possibly deter an extremist from going forward with a Jihad knowing he may end up the same as he saw in a video. As I understand it and may be wrong but something like this happened decades ago where some were buried with pig blood. Am sure someone will come along and correct me if I am wrong. Edit - The General Pershing story turns out to be a false story but sure seems like it would be a good deterrent! If you take the time to read through this it turns out that others took similar approaches with measured success. http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pershing.asp |
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« Reply #12 on: July 20, 2016, 04:15:22 AM » |
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Or....feed him to the pigs. Televise it.
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Careful, if you make a video of that it may cause another embassy attack. Those ragheads are very sensitive.
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I say use a tree chipper and feed them in there slowly and televise it. If they have virgins waiting for them in heaven then let them go through hell first.  Easy to clean also and no animals would be harmed. |
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I realize you guys know a lot more about Christianity and Jesus than I do. But this idea sure doesn't seem to fit with what I know of it. Seems to be some sort of sadistic, deviant, voyueristic sick idea that is more in line with how people in the Middle East live.
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« Reply #16 on: July 20, 2016, 06:49:04 AM » |
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I just think there comes a time when one has to stop turning the other cheek.
When these radicals go to meet their maker and receive their virgins, I'm hoping they are all male.
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I realize you guys know a lot more about Christianity and Jesus than I do. But this idea sure doesn't seem to fit with what I know of it. Seems to be some sort of sadistic, deviant, voyueristic sick idea that is more in line with how people in the Middle East live.
The difference is we do it to those that deserve it they do it to children or anyone just for a ideology and have no regard for life. Actually for this type of Judgement you should go to the Old Testament when it was an eye for an eye. |
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I realize you guys know a lot more about Christianity and Jesus than I do. But this idea sure doesn't seem to fit with what I know of it. Seems to be some sort of sadistic, deviant, voyueristic sick idea that is more in line with how people in the Middle East live.
The difference is we do it to those that deserve it they do it to children or anyone just for a ideology and have no regard for life. Actually for this type of Judgement you should go to the Old Testament when it was an eye for an eye. If televising the feeding is your idea of righteousness I think I will pass. Thank you all the same. |
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I realize you guys know a lot more about Christianity and Jesus than I do. But this idea sure doesn't seem to fit with what I know of it. Seems to be some sort of sadistic, deviant, voyueristic sick idea that is more in line with how people in the Middle East live.
Meathead, you may know more about Christianity, true Christianity, than a lot of us let come to the top. It speaks poorly for us when an unbeliever recognizes more clearly than some of us claiming allegiance to the faith as to what we should or should not be like. I assume you were only addressing the words of the few who openly confess that they have committed themselves to the faith. There are certainly plenty of us that live within the cultural influence of Christianity but have not, or at least not yet, grown to the point of personal surrender. You're right. I just think there comes a time when one has to stop turning the other cheek.
When these radicals go to meet their maker and receive their virgins, I'm hoping they are all male.
Of course there will be no virgins for him. We wouldn't believe that at all unless, of course, we accept the teaching of Mohammed. There is nothing we could do to make the punishment he is or is not receiving any more or worse than it already is. I wouldn't want to get into a long argument, but I don't see a place where a time limit was specified for turning the other cheek. On the other hand, I'm not entirely certain that mass murder of others is equivalent to a slap on my own cheek.  The difference is we do it to those that deserve it they do it to children or anyone just for a ideology and have no regard for life. Actually for this type of Judgement you should go to the Old Testament when it was an eye for an eye.
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If televising the feeding is your idea of righteousness I think I will pass. Thank you all the same.
Not saying it would, but if doing this would discourage some percentage of potential terrorists from carrying out their plans, then would you be in favor of it? I mean, if feeding the carcass of already dead terrorists to pigs saves the life of just one child, isn't it something we should at least TRY? |
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If televising the feeding is your idea of righteousness I think I will pass. Thank you all the same.
Not saying it would, but if doing this would discourage some percentage of potential terrorists from carrying out their plans, then would you be in favor of it? I mean, if feeding the carcass of already dead terrorists to pigs saves the life of just one child, isn't it something we should at least TRY? We are getting into some big hypotheticals here. But I will try to explain how I see it. If the filming of it was purely for propaganda for the terrorists to view I really wouldn't have too much of a problem with it. I seriously doubt it would have the impact on them that you ascribe, it may embolden them to become more radicalized. I don't really know, I'm certainly no expert in their culture. But the scenario was presented as something for all of us to watch. I just don't see any reason for this other than some sick, twisted reasoning. God forbid our kids would see or hear of this. I have no problem with killing . But I sure don't want it to be some spectator event. |
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A spectator event like slitting someone's throat, or lighting them on fire in a cage? As long as we are unwilling to respond in minimally equal measure to the assaults on our people, we continue to be sitting targets. My goal is survival; my enemy wants to kill/subjugate/enslave me simply because I do not believe exactly what he believes. There is no alternative if you wish to continue to live in a relatively free society. Jobs will not fix that mindset, nor will Kumbaiyah.
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Meathead we couldn't limit this to only terrorists everyone would have to be able to see it in the chosen countries. Not to mention I say start feet first so that maximum time till hes gone can be extracted. Anyone seen the movie Fargo?
The argument could be made that the penalty is not more, in fact much less than was inflicted by terrorists. Heck I may become Jewish just to be able to promote this. So one attack in Paris killed how many or Nice how many?
My impression is Willow that you would have a hard time reconciling the teachings of Jesus if it was your own family.
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A spectator event like slitting someone's throat, or lighting them on fire in a cage? As long as we are unwilling to respond in minimally equal measure to the assaults on our people, we continue to be sitting targets. My goal is survival; my enemy wants to kill/subjugate/enslave me simply because I do not believe exactly what he believes. There is no alternative if you wish to continue to live in a relatively free society. Jobs will not fix that mindset, nor will Kumbaiyah.
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Meathead we couldn't limit this to only terrorists everyone would have to be able to see it in the chosen countries. Not to mention I say start feet first so that maximum time till hes gone can be extracted. Anyone seen the movie Fargo?
The argument could be made that the penalty is not more, in fact much less than was inflicted by terrorists. Heck I may become Jewish just to be able to promote this. So one attack in Paris killed how many or Nice how many?
My impression is Willow that you would have a hard time reconciling the teachings of Jesus if it was your own family.
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Meathead we couldn't limit this to only terrorists everyone would have to be able to see it in the chosen countries. Not to mention I say start feet first so that maximum time till hes gone can be extracted. Anyone seen the movie Fargo?
The argument could be made that the penalty is not more, in fact much less than was inflicted by terrorists. Heck I may become Jewish just to be able to promote this. So one attack in Paris killed how many or Nice how many?
My impression is Willow that you would have a hard time reconciling the teachings of Jesus if it was your own family.
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It was fun, thanks Meathead.  To set the record straight I really think some kind of viable slow torturous punishment would help. Half heatedly I suggested the chipper but it may not be a bad idea. If we look at the Gulf war we saw that the minute they knew there was no hope they surrendered to whoever they could. Bombing is quick and sometimes painless way to go and its not face to face with overwhelming force. Confronted they are not brave. |
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My impression is Willow that you would have a hard time reconciling the teachings of Jesus if it was your own family.
Robert, when it's hard is when the evidence presents itself of whether or not you are truly committed. When it's easy, and it has been so for American Christians, it proves nothing. Just so we understand I have no problem with executing murderers. I have no problem with taking a life to protect someone who is being attacked. I do have a problem with emotional and intense vengeance. The teachings of Jesus are either right or they're not. If they are dependent upon when it's easy for us to follow that doesn't meet the requirement of surrender. I suppose one could draw the correlation with Jesus on the cross saying, "Enough is enough." He didn't. |
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My impression is Willow that you would have a hard time reconciling the teachings of Jesus if it was your own family.
Robert, when it's hard is when the evidence presents itself of whether or not you are truly committed. When it's easy, and it has been so for American Christians, it proves nothing. Just so we understand I have no problem with executing murders. I have no problem with taking a life to protect someone who is being attacked. I do have a problem with emotional and intense vengeance. The teachings of Jesus are either right or they're not. If they are dependent upon when it's easy for us to follow that doesn't meet the requirement of surrender. I suppose one could draw the correlation with Jesus on the cross saying, "Enough is enough." He didn't. Surrender a paradox in the world, kind of like born again. The question that Jesus asked the Rabbi. His answer told where he was at in the thinking of the Kingdom. But let me ask you this why did God execute women and children on certain tribes and actually had them wiped off the face of the earth? |
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I can say with a high degree of confidence that I'm doubtful anyone on this board loves our (Islamist terrorist) enemies as Jesus taught. The great (/font=sarcasm) Loretta Lynch has indicated that she thinks we should. Maybe she's right, but I haven't figured out how to do that yet. Do some want vengeance? I suppose some do. I think I can understand that. I'll leave the judging to the One who is truly worthy of that task. Quote: "Just so we understand I have no problem with executing murders". I hope you meant murderers. |
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“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. Matthew 5:38-39 NKJV
Jesus often spoke in parables.
While his words here are not a parable I do believe that he was using these words to make a point.
The point being that if someone is doing something that really doesn't harm you, let it slide (i.e. Turn the other cheek).
I don't believe that this was meant to imply that we were to stand by and do nothing if someone is trying to either take our life or do serious bodily harm to us.
Terrorists are the most vile and evil beings upon the earth, their actions are so evil that the only explanation is that they are under the direct control of Satan himself.
You aren't going to reform someone who has regressed this far, the only viable option is to kill them.
While it would feel very good to bring about their demise in the most painful and denigrating way possible, that doesn't make it right.
Besides, dead is dead!
And it doesn't get anymore final than that.
ALL terrorists need to be killed period, and they need to be killed when possible before they take innocent lives.
I believe that simply being a member of an organization such as ISIS is reason enough to be executed.
We should execute them by the most expediate means available which pretty much precludes torture.
I do believe that once we have executed them we should dispose of their body in a manner that according to their religious beliefs prevents them from passing into the afterlife.
Doing this and making it known just might reduce the number of them that are willing to die for their beliefs.
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I just watched a video, wish I hadn't - didn't know what the content was, of a woman being forced to kneel in the street. She's surrounded by big brave men with guns in ISIS uniform. She's in Muslim attire with her face revealed.
The main guy is ranting in Arabic for a couple of minutes.
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The big brave men with guns start yelling Alu Akhbar.
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Unfortunately, the best I've been able to do is pray that the terrorists will see the evil in their ways and have a change in their hearts.
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“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also. Matthew 5:38-39 NKJV
Jesus often spoke in parables.
While his words here are not a parable I do believe that he was using these words to make a point.
The point being that if someone is doing something that really doesn't harm you, let it slide (i.e. Turn the other cheek).
I don't believe that this was meant to imply that we were to stand by and do nothing if someone is trying to either take our life or do serious bodily harm to us.
Terrorists are the most vile and evil beings upon the earth, their actions are so evil that the only explanation is that they are under the direct control of Satan himself.
You aren't going to reform someone who has regressed this far, the only viable option is to kill them.
While it would feel very good to bring about their demise in the most painful and denigrating way possible, that doesn't make it right.
Besides, dead is dead!
And it doesn't get anymore final than that.
ALL terrorists need to be killed period, and they need to be killed when possible before they take innocent lives.
I believe that simply being a member of an organization such as ISIS is reason enough to be executed.
We should execute them by the most expediate means available which pretty much precludes torture.
I do believe that once we have executed them we should dispose of their body in a manner that according to their religious beliefs prevents them from passing into the afterlife.
Doing this and making it known just might reduce the number of them that are willing to die for their beliefs.
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Have you ever noticed when you're feeling really good, there's always a pigeon that'll come sh!t on your hood? - John Prine 97 Tourer "Silver Bullet" 01 Interstate "Ruby" |
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« Reply #39 on: July 20, 2016, 12:53:17 PM » |
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"I believe child molesters are the most vile and evil beings on the earth".
Some Islamists are both terrorists and child molesters.
Then they would get the prize. |
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