Trump's Big Mouth

[The emperor has no clothes]

Jess, I understand that BigBF has your bikes running in tiptop shape. You have my permission to get out for some stress relief. (Doctors orders) I stayed at a Holiday Inn 13 months ago.

[F-six]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/us/politics/john-mccain-denounces-donald-trumps-comments-on-family-of-muslim-soldier.html?ref=politics

[Valkorado]

if you note, I compared him to General Patton.   Patton was a brilliant tactician but he had a big mouth.

Now I'm not saying that Trump is brilliant, i don't know.  I AM saying that he has a big mouth.

He is not the Establishment.  He is not a politician.   He now is the only alternative to a person with a known ability to lie.  He is an alternative to a person who is known to treat our country's security with disrespect. He is the alternative to a person who quite possibly, let four of  our citizens to die.

He is a person who , rightfully,  has the trust of the majority of those that do not want to see another Clinton i(two of them) in the Whitehouse.  

So, despite his faults, he is my choice and I will NOT be persuaded otherwise.

No matter what he says or does ?

YES.  

We just had a rank amateur with a clear intent to bring the country to it's knees for 8 years.  Hillary is the two point O of the same (zero) program.

Unrestricted and unvetted immigration (especially from the middle east), ordered violation of existing immigration laws, open borders, secret importation to unknowing cities all over the country, catch and release of thousands of illegal criminals (who are killing and raping), allowing (probably assisting) the IRS to become an active agent of the DNC, co-opting the DOJ to do your bidding in law breaking and mindless PC enforcement, law ignoring, frustrating all efforts at investigation, contempt of congress twice for noncooperation, a huge income redistribution health care fiasco with unworkable and unaffordable insurance and penalties for the unwilling or unable, a complete failure at foreign relations with destabilization of the entire middle east and the rise of ISIS (the equivalent of a human killing virus spreading worldwide), constantly growing govt and taxes and regulations imposed by fiat with no end in sight, unfavorable (to US business) trade agreements, globalism and UN socialism made more important than national interests and security, an open war on the 2d amendment and (only) law abiding gun owners, with a promise to pack the SCOTUS (and all federal courts) with openly liberal and anti 2d amendment judges, attempted adoption of a UN anti-private gun treaty, expansion at every angle of the DNC vote buying program through expansion of free money and benefits to the free crap army, abandonment of any effort at avoiding/enforcement against fraudulent claims, blocking every reasonable effort at state voter ID laws (by the DOJ), unrestricted illegal immigration (again, as future DNC voters), attempts to raise the minimum wage, near impossible regulatory roadblocks to small business creation and operation, creation of a climate of racial/and income division to near open class warfare and police hatred and murder, a desire to federalize all state and local police departments as an open threat to any concept of states rights and autonomy (and future enforcement of any and all draconian federal decrees)(and future use of FEMA camps), promises of increasing taxes across the board, a social culling of forced retirement and separation of our best and brightest senior military warrior leadership (leaving only YES men in place), using our US armed forces as a giant social experiment, rules of engagement in combat that require us to be killed before we fight back, an outright attack on judeo christian values in everyday life, failing schools, socialism as an agenda taught and enforced from K-12 (more future vote buying), abandonment of any concept of a balanced budget, doubling of the national debt beyond astronomical, a debt that takes a whopping percentage of annual tax income just to pay the interest,  advancing 15% ethanol when it is known to destroy virtually all carberated machinery, wasting billions on alternative energy and then letting the money disappear (without apparent interest or concern) when the fairy tale energy quickly fails to materialize, attacking oil and coal at every level, adopting fairy tale global warming as a huge national imperative, as a subterfuge for higher taxes, regulation and punishment of oil and coal industries, massive loss of jobs and employment and manufacturing as a way to increase the permanent membership of the free crap army (vote buying again), using the main stream media as your constant cheer leader to support any and all socialist programs and PC horseshit, however misguided to keep the US people in a constant state of agitation, fear, uncertainty to divide and conquer, to hide the ball, and to make everyone more dependent on an ever expanding, over reaching, over taxing, over regulating, over spending and out of control US federal government.

If this is your program, vote for the bitch.  If it's not your program, vote against the bitch.  

What he said.   

[dinosnake]

The Constitution is a "living Document".   What the Dems fail to recognize is that it takes a Constitutional Amendment and a 2/3rds State vote to make those changes.    It is not done through Presidential Executive Order.

I agree.

But we must absolutely note, conversely, that the TRUTH is Obama has issued LESS executive orders than Bush and most previous presidents

 http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/executiveorders.asp

and, for confirmation (because I never trust a single data source)

http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/6213800

which acquired a table from

http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/every-presidents-executive-actions-in-one-chart/

(as of 2014)



I think it's rather sad he had to do any at all - if our do-nothing Congress would actually do its JOB, then many of those orders would not have been needed.

[Rams]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/us/politics/john-mccain-denounces-donald-trumps-comments-on-family-of-muslim-soldier.html?ref=politics

Being honest about it, Senator McCain's opinion is not something I really care about.   He's bia's against Trump anyway.   That doesn't mean I like Trump any more than I previously did or, dis-like Hillary any more than before.   Just that what Senator McCain thinks means little to nothing to me.

[dinosnake]

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/us/politics/john-mccain-denounces-donald-trumps-comments-on-family-of-muslim-soldier.html?ref=politics

Being honest about it, Senator McCain's opinion is not something I really care about.   He's bia's against Trump anyway.   That doesn't mean I like Trump any more than I previously did or, dis-like Hillary any more than before.   Just that what Senator McCain thinks means little to nothing to me.

See?  Conversely, I rather like him.  He seems rational and I think would have made a decent president, until he got Ms. Crazy involved, that is.

[Rams]

I think it's rather sad he had to do any at all - if our do-nothing Congress would actually do its JOB, then many of those orders would not have been needed.

I'd agree that E.O. are way over used.    Regardless of who is President.   The difference with the Obama Administration is, just about everything he EO'd, went further to divide this country.   Needed?  I honestly prefer it when (either party) one holds the Oval Office that Congress be controlled by the opposing party.   The less they generate, the better off we are and there in lies the difference in our attitudes.  

Ride safely.

[dinosnake]

I think it's rather sad he had to do any at all - if our do-nothing Congress would actually do its JOB, then many of those orders would not have been needed.

I'd agree that E.O. are way over used.    Regardless of who is President.   The difference with the Obama Administration is, just about everything he EO'd, went further to divide this country.   Needed?  I honestly prefer it when (either party) one holds the Oval Office that Congress be controlled by the opposing party.   The less they generate, the better off we are and there in lies the difference in our attitudes.  

Ride safely.

It is wise to remember that the Emancipation Proclamation, as well as the order to desegregate Southern schools and therefore society, were BOTH executive actions (the school issue was by court ruling but the president activated the Army to enforce it, as state and local governments were ignoring the ruling, https://eisenhower.archives.gov/research/online_documents/civil_rights_little_rock.html).

Those were FAR more divisive that Obama's recent orders.  Orders of magnitude, even.

[Rams]

I think it's rather sad he had to do any at all - if our do-nothing Congress would actually do its JOB, then many of those orders would not have been needed.

I'd agree that E.O. are way over used.    Regardless of who is President.   The difference with the Obama Administration is, just about everything he EO'd, went further to divide this country.   Needed?  I honestly prefer it when (either party) one holds the Oval Office that Congress be controlled by the opposing party.   The less they generate, the better off we are and there in lies the difference in our attitudes.  

Ride safely.

It is wise to remember that the Emancipation Proclamation, as well as the order to desegregate Southern schools and therefore society, were BOTH executive actions (the school issue was by court ruling but the president activated the National Guard to enforce it, as state and local governments were ignoring the ruling).

Those were FAR more divisive that Obama's recent orders.  Orders of magnitude, even.

One can always find an example to back up their point of view.   I was referring to his overall decision making process and what he did E.Os. for.     I expect no less from Hillary.

[dinosnake]

One can always find an example to back up their point of view.   I was referring to his overall decision making process and what he did E.Os. for.     I expect no less from Hillary.

Yes.  But my point was that, sometimes, an E.O. is needed to drag a kicking, screaming populace or government into action due to inaction by politics...or cowardice.  Sometimes a single person has the wherewithal to create change but the people around him or her only live in fear of change, and as the Emancipation Proclamation proves, the right thing needs to be done regardless.  Obama is constantly derided because of who he is, without much thought of a foresight towards history's judgment.  When the opposing political power openly declares that they will do wherever is necessary to block re-election, up to and including impediment of the people's business, then where does that leave our government?  Impotent and useless, that's where.

[Jess from VA]

Jess, I understand that BigBF has your bikes running in tiptop shape. You have my permission to get out for some stress relief. (Doctors orders) I stayed at a Holiday Inn 13 months ago.

Too hot to ride (much).

I am utterly stress free.

I clean, oil and upgrade my weapons, shop for good quality ammo in bulk, work on my (non-ethanol) gasoline storage, tweak home security, and keep a mild interest in politics and the state of MY nation.

I cannot afford Holiday Inn.

If you are a doctor, I am an F16 pilot.

[Rams]

One can always find an example to back up their point of view.   I was referring to his overall decision making process and what he did E.Os. for.     I expect no less from Hillary.

Yes.  But my point was that, sometimes, an E.O. is needed to drag a kicking, screaming populace or government into action due to inaction by politics...or cowardice.  Sometimes a single person has the wherewithal to create change but the people around him or her only live in fear of change, and as the Emancipation Proclamation proves, the right thing needs to be done regardless.  Obama is constantly derided because of who he is, without much thought of a foresight towards history's judgment.  When the opposing political power openly declares that they will do wherever is necessary to block re-election, up to and including impediment of the people's business, then where does that leave our government?  Impotent and useless, that's where.

I understood your point, I just don't happen to agree with it.   It's all about perspective and attitude.   Ours differ significantly.

Ride safely.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Jess, I understand that BigBF has your bikes running in tiptop shape. You have my permission to get out for some stress relief. (Doctors orders) I stayed at a Holiday Inn 13 months ago.

Too hot to ride (much).

I am utterly stress free.

I clean, oil and upgrade my weapons, shop for good quality ammo in bulk, work on my (non-ethanol) gasoline storage, tweak home security, and keep a mild interest in politics and the state of MY nation.

I cannot afford Holiday Inn.

If you are a doctor, I am an F16 pilot.

[Trynt]

[quote author=J


YES.  

We just had a rank amateur with a clear intent to bring the country to it's knees for 8 years.  Hillary is the two point O of the same (zero) program.

Unrestricted and unvetted immigration (especially from the middle east), ordered violation of existing immigration laws, open borders, secret importation to unknowing cities all over the country, catch and release of thousands of illegal criminals (who are killing and raping), allowing (probably assisting) the IRS to become an active agent of the DNC, co-opting the DOJ to do your bidding in law breaking and mindless PC enforcement, law ignoring, frustrating all efforts at investigation, contempt of congress twice for noncooperation, a huge income redistribution health care fiasco with unworkable and unaffordable insurance and penalties for the unwilling or unable, a complete failure at foreign relations with destabilization of the entire middle east and the rise of ISIS (the equivalent of a human killing virus spreading worldwide), constantly growing govt and taxes and regulations imposed by fiat with no end in sight, unfavorable (to US business) trade agreements, globalism and UN socialism made more important than national interests and security, an open war on the 2d amendment and (only) law abiding gun owners, with a promise to pack the SCOTUS (and all federal courts) with openly liberal and anti 2d amendment judges, attempted adoption of a UN anti-private gun treaty, expansion at every angle of the DNC vote buying program through expansion of free money and benefits to the free crap army, abandonment of any effort at avoiding/enforcement against fraudulent claims, blocking every reasonable effort at state voter ID laws (by the DOJ), unrestricted illegal immigration (again, as future DNC voters), attempts to raise the minimum wage, near impossible regulatory roadblocks to small business creation and operation, creation of a climate of racial/and income division to near open class warfare and police hatred and murder, a desire to federalize all state and local police departments as an open threat to any concept of states rights and autonomy (and future enforcement of any and all draconian federal decrees)(and future use of FEMA camps), promises of increasing taxes across the board, a social culling of forced retirement and separation of our best and brightest senior military warrior leadership (leaving only YES men in place), using our US armed forces as a giant social experiment, rules of engagement in combat that require us to be killed before we fight back, an outright attack on judeo christian values in everyday life, failing schools, socialism as an agenda taught and enforced from K-12 (more future vote buying), abandonment of any concept of a balanced budget, doubling of the national debt beyond astronomical, a debt that takes a whopping percentage of annual tax income just to pay the interest,  advancing 15% ethanol when it is known to destroy virtually all carberated machinery, wasting billions on alternative energy and then letting the money disappear (without apparent interest or concern) when the fairy tale energy quickly fails to materialize, attacking oil and coal at every level, adopting fairy tale global warming as a huge national imperative, as a subterfuge for higher taxes, regulation and punishment of oil and coal industries, massive loss of jobs and employment and manufacturing as a way to increase the permanent membership of the free crap army (vote buying again), using the main stream media as your constant cheer leader to support any and all socialist programs and PC horseshit, however misguided to keep the US people in a constant state of agitation, fear, uncertainty to divide and conquer, to hide the ball, and to make everyone more dependent on an ever expanding, over reaching, over taxing, over regulating, over spending and out of control US federal government.
 
[/quote]
Well said.

[MP]

One can always find an example to back up their point of view.   I was referring to his overall decision making process and what he did E.Os. for.     I expect no less from Hillary.

Yes.  But my point was that, sometimes, an E.O. is needed to drag a kicking, screaming populace or government into action due to inaction by politics...or cowardice.  Sometimes a single person has the wherewithal to create change but the people around him or her only live in fear of change, and as the Emancipation Proclamation proves, the right thing needs to be done regardless.  Obama is constantly derided because of who he is, without much thought of a foresight towards history's judgment.  When the opposing political power openly declares that they will do wherever is necessary to block re-election, up to and including impediment of the people's business, then where does that leave our government?  Impotent and useless, that's where.

I believe the Dems did everything they could to block Bush, and deny him reelection.  I have no doubt that if Trump is elected, the Dems will do everything in their power to block his actions, and deny him a second term. That is their job, It is NOT one sided.

Or, the same will go for Hillary if she is elected. 

[f6john]

Some of the intent of Trumps remarks is hard to understand, but I have not really seen him make a stupid remark.
 

  Talk about drinking the Kool Aid. 

Interpretation is understanding the context that a remark was made in. Both interpretation and context speak of subjective thought processes.

Subjective thinking is any form of thinking or mind-picturing that has depth of feeling, that goes beneath the surface in its action, that moves through the undercurrents, that acts in and through the psychological field. Subjective thought is synonymous with the thought of the heart, and it is subjective thought that is referred to in the statement, "As a man thinketh in his heart so is he."

To speak in these terms and to understand in these terms means you have to be able to have a understanding how things are operate and are construed. Without this understanding and knowledge even the Bible seems stupid. I would say that this is not something you posses. Its not koolaid and its not something that, if you are not fed up with the current admin I would guess you would understand. That is the very thing that I dont like about this current admin. All words contrary to action with a political goal to screw the US. Most all who dont have subjective thinking fall for the words. While those with subjective thinking talk, goals, morals, intent, actions in the understanding these are what reflects the true nature of a person.

In other words, you see what you want to see. 

As you also, the difference is one is based on reality the other emotion now I will leave it to you. 

Its all yours. If you have not heard him say something stupid, I think my point has been made.

    Now you got me to thinking, have you posted anything stupid?

Many, I'm sure

   And my point being, that doesn't make you stupid.   We throw around a lot of insults at the candidates, some deserved and some not, but we should not forget that these are all highly intelligent people with very different views and agenda's. our job is to sift through all the smoke and mirrors to determine who will best serve the countries future. Given the negatives of both candidates, you have to decide what you can set aside and what you can't. I'm pretty sure I know where I stand but we have 90+ more days to see what else comes to the surface.

[The emperor has no clothes]

John, don't get me wrong. I don't think he is stupid at all. I do think he shoots off the cuff way too much. But I have no doubt he didn't get to where he is by being stupid. But as president or a candidate I think he would be better served to think some of these things thru before spouting off. The world is watching.

[Robert]

While the amount of O's executive orders is not the problem but its the scope of them that has been. He is actually legislating from the oval office and doing congresses job. The other thing that distinguishes his executive orders is the courts have overturned more of them than other presidents.

[baldo]

While the amount of O's executive orders is not the problem but its the scope of them that has been. He is actually legislating from the oval office and doing congresses job. The other thing that distinguishes his executive orders is the courts have overturned more of them than other presidents.

If what you say is true, I'm glad SOMEONE is doing Congress' job.

[Serk]

While the amount of O's executive orders is not the problem but its the scope of them that has been. He is actually legislating from the oval office and doing congresses job. The other thing that distinguishes his executive orders is the courts have overturned more of them than other presidents.

If what you say is true, I'm glad SOMEONE is doing Congress' job.

The Republican majority was elected specifically to STOP Obama and his "America Last" agenda, so by stopping him they were "doing their job."

[Robert]

While the amount of O's executive orders is not the problem but its the scope of them that has been. He is actually legislating from the oval office and doing congresses job. The other thing that distinguishes his executive orders is the courts have overturned more of them than other presidents.

If what you say is true, I'm glad SOMEONE is doing Congress' job.

I too lament that Congress is not doing their job but to have one man dictating is not the way to go either. Especially one with a design that is not the American Dream.

[scooperhsd]

While the amount of O's executive orders is not the problem but its the scope of them that has been. He is actually legislating from the oval office and doing congresses job. The other thing that distinguishes his executive orders is the courts have overturned more of them than other presidents.

well - if CONGRESS isn't doing their job - SOMEBODY needs to !

Quite frankly I'd almost cheer if everyone in Congress died almost at once (preferrably really painfully from disease).  There are a few bright spots that don't deserve that - Speaker Ryan is looking promising so far about actually WORKING WITH (gasp) Obama.

I don't expect all the politicians to agree about everything , I expect some debate. But I also expect them to know how to compromise and do the business of the government that they were elected to do. Am I asking for too much ?

[Trynt]

The Republican majority was elected specifically to STOP Obama and his "America Last" agenda, so by stopping him they were "doing their job."

[/quote]
+1

[baldo]

The Republican majority was elected specifically to STOP Obama and his "America Last" agenda, so by stopping him they were "doing their job."

+1
[/quote]

That is the most puzzling statement.

[Jess from VA]

The Republican majority was elected specifically to STOP Obama and his "America Last" agenda, so by stopping him they were "doing their job."

+1

That is the most puzzling statement.
[/quote]

Not puzzling at all.  +1 

[Moonshot_1]

While the amount of O's executive orders is not the problem but its the scope of them that has been. He is actually legislating from the oval office and doing congresses job. The other thing that distinguishes his executive orders is the courts have overturned more of them than other presidents.

well - if CONGRESS isn't doing their job - SOMEBODY needs to !

Quite frankly I'd almost cheer if everyone in Congress died almost at once (preferrably really painfully from disease).  There are a few bright spots that don't deserve that - Speaker Ryan is looking promising so far about actually WORKING WITH (gasp) Obama.

I don't expect all the politicians to agree about everything , I expect some debate. But I also expect them to know how to compromise and do the business of the government that they were elected to do. Am I asking for too much ?

Yes, you are asking too much. When the electorate sends a man of a particular political persuasion to the White House and then sends him a politically dysfunctional Legislative body whose members and make up are diametrically in opposition to each other there cannot be effective compromise or much successful business done.

We are sending representatives to Washington that are in disagreement on principle, not tactics or strategies. One does not compromise principle, they were elected on that principle. One defends it and negotiates to implement it.

We simply need to vote for serious people who share common principles. Then all that is needed to to compromise on strategy and tactics on how to best implement it.

Governing is a team sport.

Imagine that the KC Chiefs and Denver Broncos were playing a game and the Chiefs offense and the Broncos defense were put on the same team and the Chiefs defense and Broncos offense were on the other team. The Broncos are playing to win against the Chiefs and Chiefs against the Broncos but we mix the teams together. Doesn't make sense does it. It can't possibly work.

But we continue to try that philosophy in Washington every year.
Ain't worked yet.

[J.Mencalice]

While the amount of O's executive orders is not the problem but its the scope of them that has been. He is actually legislating from the oval office and doing congresses job. The other thing that distinguishes his executive orders is the courts have overturned more of them than other presidents.

well - if CONGRESS isn't doing their job - SOMEBODY needs to !

Quite frankly I'd almost cheer if everyone in Congress died almost at once (preferrably really painfully from disease).  There are a few bright spots that don't deserve that - Speaker Ryan is looking promising so far about actually WORKING WITH (gasp) Obama.

I don't expect all the politicians to agree about everything , I expect some debate. But I also expect them to know how to compromise and do the business of the government that they were elected to do. Am I asking for too much ?

Yes, you are asking too much. When the electorate sends a man of a particular political persuasion to the White House and then sends him a politically dysfunctional Legislative body whose members and make up are diametrically in opposition to each other there cannot be effective compromise or much successful business done.

We are sending representatives to Washington that are in disagreement on principle, not tactics or strategies. One does not compromise principle, they were elected on that principle. One defends it and negotiates to implement it.

We simply need to vote for serious people who share common principles. Then all that is needed to to compromise on strategy and tactics on how to best implement it.

Governing is a team sport.

Imagine that the KC Chiefs and Denver Broncos were playing a game and the Chiefs offense and the Broncos defense were put on the same team and the Chiefs defense and Broncos offense were on the other team. The Broncos are playing to win against the Chiefs and Chiefs against the Broncos but we mix the teams together. Doesn't make sense does it. It can't possibly work.

But we continue to try that philosophy in Washington every year.
Ain't worked yet.

The Broncos would kick the crap out of any Chiefs' team, no matter who they had.    They've done it for the past 25 years.   They'd do it even if they had a bunch of cheerleaders on the field...with ski boots...and mittens. 
Maybe Congress should play the Broncos!!   We'd kick the crap out of them, too!

[Rams]

The Broncos would kick the crap out of any Chiefs' team, no matter who they had.    They've done it for the past 25 years.   They'd do it even if they had a bunch of cheerleaders on the field...with ski boots...and mittens. 

Whoa!   Now, that's starting to get real personal!!! 

[baldo]

The Broncos would kick the crap out of any Chiefs' team, no matter who they had.    They've done it for the past 25 years.   They'd do it even if they had a bunch of cheerleaders on the field...with ski boots...and mittens. 

Whoa!   Now, that's starting to get real personal!!! 

Hell, just throw the Patriots in there. They'll be kicking everyone's asses...

[dinosnake]

Yes, you are asking too much. When the electorate sends a man of a particular political persuasion to the White House and then sends him a politically dysfunctional Legislative body whose members and make up are diametrically in opposition to each other there cannot be effective compromise or much successful business done.

We are sending representatives to Washington that are in disagreement on principle, not tactics or strategies. One does not compromise principle, they were elected on that principle. One defends it and negotiates to implement it.

We simply need to vote for serious people who share common principles. Then all that is needed to to compromise on strategy and tactics on how to best implement it.

Governing is a team sport.

Imagine that the KC Chiefs and Denver Broncos were playing a game and the Chiefs offense and the Broncos defense were put on the same team and the Chiefs defense and Broncos offense were on the other team. The Broncos are playing to win against the Chiefs and Chiefs against the Broncos but we mix the teams together. Doesn't make sense does it. It can't possibly work.

But we continue to try that philosophy in Washington every year.
Ain't worked yet.

Perfectly articulated.  Thank you for the psst.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The Broncos would kick the crap out of any Chiefs' team, no matter who they had.    They've done it for the past 25 years.   They'd do it even if they had a bunch of cheerleaders on the field...with ski boots...and mittens. 

Whoa!   Now, that's starting to get real personal!!! 

Hell, just throw the Patriots in there. They'll be kicking everyone's asses...

Oh you've gone too far now ! America's Team is where it's at. 

[J.Mencalice]

The Broncos would kick the crap out of any Chiefs' team, no matter who they had.    They've done it for the past 25 years.   They'd do it even if they had a bunch of cheerleaders on the field...with ski boots...and mittens. 

Whoa!   Now, that's starting to get real personal!!! 

Hell, just throw the Patriots in there. They'll be kicking everyone's asses...

Yeah, Brady's gonna throw TD's from the press box!  4 Game suspension!!!  Bad Boy Tommy, Bad boy.
Lettin' the air out for a better grip...Bad boy!.   You got caught!!  New blood comin' in this year anyway; they're gettin' ready to put ol' Tom out to pasture...one year, maybe two left.
Will be sorry to see him go.  Great competitor.

[Serk]

The Republican majority was elected specifically to STOP Obama and his "America Last" agenda, so by stopping him they were "doing their job."

+1

That is the most puzzling statement.
[/quote]

Let's try an analogy.

Someone is trying to douse your home in gasoline and burn it down.

You hire a guard to stop them from pouring gasoline on your home and burning it down.

The guard would be "doing his job" when he stops the arsonist from burning your home down.

[baldo]

The Republican majority was elected specifically to STOP Obama and his "America Last" agenda, so by stopping him they were "doing their job."

+1

That is the most puzzling statement.

Let's try an analogy.

Someone is trying to douse your home in gasoline and burn it down.

You hire a guard to stop them from pouring gasoline on your home and burning it down.

The guard would be "doing his job" when he stops the arsonist from burning your home down.

[/quote]

Ummm...OK.

 

[MP]

The Republican majority was elected specifically to STOP Obama and his "America Last" agenda, so by stopping him they were "doing their job."

+1

That is the most puzzling statement.

Let's try an analogy.

Someone is trying to douse your home in gasoline and burn it down.

You hire a guard to stop them from pouring gasoline on your home and burning it down.

The guard would be "doing his job" when he stops the arsonist from burning your home down.

Ummm...OK.

 
[/quote]

Same has been going on in the Senate since the Repubs took over.  The Dems have been stopping whatever they want to do.  I bet they consider it "their job" to stop bills they do not agree with.

Just do no hear the outcry from the media when Dems filibuster Repubs, not nearly like when the opposite happens.

[baldo]

The Republican majority was elected specifically to STOP Obama and his "America Last" agenda, so by stopping him they were "doing their job."

+1

That is the most puzzling statement.

Let's try an analogy.

Someone is trying to douse your home in gasoline and burn it down.

You hire a guard to stop them from pouring gasoline on your home and burning it down.

The guard would be "doing his job" when he stops the arsonist from burning your home down.

Ummm...OK.

 

Same has been going on in the Senate since the Repubs took over.  The Dems have been stopping whatever they want to do.  I bet they consider it "their job" to stop bills they do not agree with.

Just do no hear the outcry from the media when Dems filibuster Repubs, not nearly like when the opposite happens.
[/quote]

I think it might be interesting to take a look at what exactly the Repubs have been trying to get passed. I'm sure it would pass the sniff test.

[Rams]

Some things are set in concrete and will never change.   I have no doubt none of the debates concerning this election has changed any person's mind that contributed to any of the political threads.   Those not interested in the political debates are not likely to even open such threads.

Was thinking of starting a poll asking if anyone has been influenced by what they read on this forum but decided that it would be a waste of time.   The candidates are too polarizing, just ain't gonna happen IMHO.   What say you?

[G-Man]

She embodies everything I consider evil.  

The funny thing is, well maybe not so funny, that she is everything the left has been yelling, protesting, occupying, against for the last 8 years.  She's white, old, rich, bought, corrupt, and a capitalist. 

The irony overflows.

[G-Man]

We simply need to vote for serious people who share common principles.

We ALL try to raise our children with the same principles.  Everyone teaches their children to work hard giving all of your effort.  If you work hard you will succeed.  We teach them about money and the meaning of a dollar.  That you can't spend more than you have.  That the world isn't always fair.  Unfortunately, when it comes to our own governance, we've thrown these principles out of the window.  Now we teach victimization which negates all of the principles we teach our kids.  How can people who are taught they are victims overcome victimhood when those who created the victimhood are the ones keeping them there in the first place?

[Willow]

We simply need to vote for serious people who share common principles.

...  Everyone teaches their children to work hard giving all of your effort.  If you work hard you will succeed.  We teach them about money and the meaning of a dollar.  That you can't spend more than you have.  That the world isn't always fair.  ...

Unfortunately, Dr. G., the bolded term is not correct and hasn't been for a couple of generations now.  Some do but a lot don't.

Perhaps the step that did the most damage was some time back when folks who did not grow up began to have children but did not parent them.  Those children grew to have children and did not have a chance to parent as they had no model to follow.  There are a large number of children these days raising children with little or no parenting going on.