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[solo1]

Our Church's Main Body has sent a 56 page directive on how to conduct the church business in these encroaching times.  I won't go into the detail but it involves the 'Freedom of Religion' which has become 'Freedom FROM Religion'  Some groups, with the full cooperation of the Feds, are attempting to destroy my Right to worship as a Christian.

These same people are demanding their Rights while attempting to destroy mine.

I'm just commenting on what is happening, no need to bring in arguments for or against. 

Go Ride!

Wayne, Solo1

[old2soon]

NO Wayne-NO argument at all-slowly surely like day turning to night "they" keep chipping away at OUR freedoms and the Christian Religion. Can't believe the day(s) are here where Churches "need" designated armed folks in the congregation! Nuff said-have a great day Wayne-grab the convert top down-go fer a ride.  RIDE SAFE.

[Chrisj CMA]

I hear ya....but, why should we be surprised, the Bible says we will endure persecution and some will even be killed.  Its happening all over the world, coming to our shores soon.

Funny thing about "designated armed church members" 

I started carrying to church as soon as I received my license.  Some told me it was illegal to carry in a church, well its not in Florida but you shouldn't carry to church if the church doesn't want you to.

Well, we started going to a different church.  The Pastor is great...not a PC bone in his body.  I was sort of hesitant to ask anyone if CCW was ok, that's not one of the first questions folks expect you to ask when you join.....lol

So a couple months after we joined I had the occasion to need to meet with the Pastor in his office.    Hes really cool, he invites me in and we sit down, as he crosses leg I can clearly see his ankle holster and a small revolver.  Question answered.  I later found out that many members carry.  Ours would be the worst church for a terrorist to enter and try something during a service!!

They cannot stop you from worshipping!  They may be able to dictate from which prison you will be when you are worshipping.  I hope the Lord comes back before it goes that far, that's just me.

[solo1]

Chris, as you know, carrying in church can be a mixed blessing (pardon the pun).  Hitting what you're aiming at, under stress, with a pistol, is almost impossible in a church of any size.  By the very nature, a church is like a theater. too many people in a too small area. That is why cowardly arseholes pick churches, schools theaters, and campuses; they can't miss and have no opposition.

Defending yourself is more plausible that trying to defend the congregation.  I've recently looked into church security, it's a tough nut to crack. A church welcomes all by its very nature.  What follows is not good security.  However, there are things that can be done other than arming the parishioners.

I've no ready answers.  I, for one, would be very nervous with many people carrying in church.  Having been an NRA instructor for over 40 years, I've seen people who are 'way over impressed with their shooting skills and their confidence.  If it was for me to say, CC in the church would be limited to known experts in the shooting field.

Yes, my pastor, i believe, is armed in church.. I am not, I'm considering it but I'm hesitant because I know my limitations and would not want to shoot a parishioner.

PC doesn't enter into it in our church either. 

[Chrisj CMA]

Absolutely solo1.  Just as in any shoot or don't shoot situation the actual situation MUST dictate the decision.  There are many scenarios I can imagine at church where I would not even take the gun out of the holster.  However Id hate to have that one in a million clear shot opportunity and be unprepared.

[fudgie]

Are you sure your church just isn't bowing down to these times? Sounds like its voluntary and they are not made to do it.

No talk in the church I got to about it. I know, ur shocked I go to church, so am I! 

There are at least 4 of us that carry to church. Not including the pastor and his wife. She has hers in her purse. Hes working on a shoulder holster but has kept it in his office which is 10' away. Not to mention the arsenal he has around his house.

[solo1]

Chris I've been doing a lot of shooting at the range. Sig 320 SC in .40.

Beyond 20 yards, not much in guarantees.  Think I'll start carrying in the car my red dot Hipoint .40 carbine and extend the 20 yards t0 50 yards or maybe more.

I ran across a good point about church security. A number of 10ABC liquid fire extinguishers in the narthex and persons trained to use them as weapons, might buy time.

Fudgie, churches are all different. Don't draw any conclusions.

[Willow]

Chris, as you know, carrying in church can be a mixed blessing (pardon the pun).  Hitting what you're aiming at, under stress, with a pistol, is almost impossible in a church of any size.  By the very nature, a church is like a theater. too many people in a too small area. That is why cowardly arseholes pick churches, schools theaters, and campuses; they can't miss and have no opposition.

Defending yourself is more plausible that trying to defend the congregation.  I've recently looked into church security, it's a tough nut to crack. A church welcomes all by its very nature.  What follows is not good security.  However, there are things that can be done other than arming the parishioners.
...

I had a short conversation with my pastor on this subject once.  He stated that he didn't want people armed in church because if the innocents in the crowd that might be hit while someone was aiming at the shooter.  I told home that was about the silliest logic I had ever heard to be concerned more for accidental shootings than about those shot by the bad guy who was intentionally shooting the innocents.

Truthfully I think we need to do what we responsibly can to protect ourselves and our friends.  As worshipers I hope we recognize that our ultimate health and welfare is in Someone's hands who controls better than do we.  That said, even in a worship service I've no reason to hesitate at dropping someone who is taking pot shots at the attendees.     

[The emperor has no clothes]

Are you sure your church just isn't bowing down to these times? Sounds like its voluntary and they are not made to do it.

No talk in the church I got to about it. I know, ur shocked I go to church, so am I! 

There are at least 4 of us that carry to church. Not including the pastor and his wife. She has hers in her purse. Hes working on a shoulder holster but has kept it in his office which is 10' away. Not to mention the arsenal he has around his house.

The PussyCat Lounge is considered a church ? 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Our Church's Main Body has sent a 56 page directive on how to conduct the church business in these encroaching times.  I won't go into the detail but it involves the 'Freedom of Religion' which has become 'Freedom FROM Religion'  Some groups, with the full cooperation of the Feds, are attempting to destroy my Right to worship as a Christian.

These same people are demanding their Rights while attempting to destroy mine.

I'm just commenting on what is happening, no need to bring in arguments for or against. 

Go Ride!

Wayne, Solo1

I know you said you were just commenting and didn't need arguments. But since the discussion has progressed with you also commenting. I'm curious how your right to worship is being curtailed ?

[dreamaker]

Our Church's Main Body has sent a 56 page directive on how to conduct the church business in these encroaching times.  I won't go into the detail but it involves the 'Freedom of Religion' which has become 'Freedom FROM Religion'  Some groups, with the full cooperation of the Feds, are attempting to destroy my Right to worship as a Christian.

These same people are demanding their Rights while attempting to destroy mine.

I'm just commenting on what is happening, no need to bring in arguments for or against. 

Go Ride!

Wayne, Solo1

 Hal Lindsey.  I often watch his shows, he doesn't shoot from the hip, he does the research.  He has good input. I look at him, and I can't get over, that he is 86 years old.

www.hallindsey.com

[Bighead]

Our Church's Main Body has sent a 56 page directive on how to conduct the church business in these encroaching times.  I won't go into the detail but it involves the 'Freedom of Religion' which has become 'Freedom FROM Religion'  Some groups, with the full cooperation of the Feds, are attempting to destroy my Right to worship as a Christian.

These same people are demanding their Rights while attempting to destroy mine.

I'm just commenting on what is happening, no need to bring in arguments for or against. 

Go Ride!

Wayne, Solo1

Hey Wayne I understand your frustration But they cannot (unless  they invade your home) stop you from worshipping. The Bible tells us that the lord said where there are two or three gathered in my name I SHALL BE IN THE MIDST

[solo1]

At this moment, no, my worship is not being curtailed.

However,to me, it's sorta like the enemies of the 2nd Amendment. In this case, all the pushing from the Rainbow people, with the Feds helping, makes the church walk a fine line.  Cross that line at any time and the church can be subjected to lawsuits.  Lawsuits are expensive, win or lose, and the church could reach a point where it would be financially unable to continue.  When I say church I mean the physical church.  Christians come to the physical church as we are taught fellowship with one another.

We all know that it takes ratification by the states to amend or drop the 2nd Amendment but it can literally be cancelled by the action of The POTUS and the SCOTUS.  The same applies to the Freedom to worship.


Yes, I will still be able to worship until they find a way to inhibit that.  Make no mistake, the Feds with their PC definition are doing what they can to encroach on our Religious freedoms, the Constitution be cursed.

[Robert]

I give 2 examples of religious persecution against churches or people out of the many I could pick. As for me personally the thought police have curtailed some of my ability to get the most out of my church experience. They have made endorsing a candidate illegal by churches and the pastor can loose his church if he is caught endorsing a candidate. Now even if he said one was bad and another good I doubt if anything would happen but what if is the thought that goes through everyone's mind. This thought alone can change the free exchange of ideas and relating bible passages to support a particular view. There are many other restrictions that are put on churches that insurance companies enforce because of the prevailing trends. If you cannot get insurance then how do you hold church, which is a form of censorship. This is on a a personal level and does effect me just as I believe it affects Solo1. If he had to post this then isn't that enough to say that it affects the service since thoughts will be on the requirements and possibly violating them rather than the service? When you walk into a church and see Police in the church and you see people having to think about having guns in church then yes this does affect the service. While I am happy that people do carry in church I am sad that the thoughts have had to be on the gun issue rather than the God issue. Churches are not supposed to be ruled by government in fact some will argue that under the Constitution that if a church registers with the goverment then its a goverment church not Gods church. Would you like to hear how many crosses have come under court battle that have been erected long ago?

There was a day when you could walk into a church and not have any thoughts except those on God and receiving help. The people were directed to listen to what the people need, now we are taught to weigh the person make sure you have the proper insurance and make sure this person is being truthful and pastors have to think about areas they never had to consider except to say the world is evil. That affects people, thoughts, actions.





First Liberty represents Vintage Church in a New Orleans suburb. After a disgruntled neighbor complained that the church’s tent services were “too loud,” Jefferson Parish officials issued a criminal summons for breaking a noise level of 60 dB—which is the noise equivalent of a running dishwasher or a conversation in a restaurant. The parish’s ordinances place sound limits on churches but not on power tools, construction, or demolition noise. First Liberty filed a lawsuit against Jefferson Parish on December 10, 2015. In addition, First Liberty requested a Temporary Restraining Order (TRO) on December 10 to prevent Jefferson Parish from enforcing their noise ordinance in such a discriminatory manner.

Victory: Two Houston churches saved from threats of eminent domain.

On August 4, 2015, First Liberty filed a lawsuit against the Houston Housing Authority (HHA) for threatening to take the property of two historic Houston churches. Specifically, the HHA threatened to bulldoze the historic Christian Fellowship Missionary Baptist Church and condemn the property of the Latter Day Deliverance Revival Center. The HHA's actions violated Texas' religious freedom law, including the Texas Religious Freedom Restoration Act. In the Fall of 2015, the HHA voluntarily dismissed all eminent domain proceedings against both churches.

[solo1]

You are right, Robert.  Christians today seem to have to tread lightly to keep from being harassed. We also have to think legally about all the ramifications involved in the ever changing PC world.

Our church's Synod generally frowns on pastors speaking politics from the pulpit (separation of church and state) but the pressure is building.  Once again, that fine line.

Shouldn't be!

[Robert]

You are right, Robert.  Christians today seem to have to tread lightly to keep from being harassed. We also have to think legally about all the ramifications involved in the ever changing PC world.

Our church's Synod generally frowns on pastors speaking politics from the pulpit (separation of church and state) but the pressure is building.  Once again, that fine line.

Shouldn't be!

I know and agree with what you say but as we both know the separation of church and state was from one Supreme Court Judge, Judge Hugo Black that  was appointed to the Supreme Court by President Franklin D. Roosevelt, with outrage ensuing over Black's former membership with the Ku Klux Klan. This did not also make mention of the outrage over his ruling in the separation of church and state since it had no basis and the wild conclusion he drew from the case in front of him. He was also a member of the Masons and appointed from a Mason president to hear cases like this. This ws the first shot fired against religious freedom in this ruling so the Supreme Court would have precedence to rule against other religious freedoms. So you might say we saw even then persecution though it was not present in actions then, but the ground work was being laid. Like now we just didn't see the scope of what was being accomplished then. They dont have to prohibit they have to make it uncomfortable or feel as a loner or wrong to preach the Gospel, that alone is enough to stop or slow the spread and make people think. We have the president not supporting police and we see attacks on police how different is that from religious freedom?

So that is how we are being hindered, in a big way.

BTW, MERRY CHRISTMAS   

[dinosnake]

At this moment, no, my worship is not being curtailed.

However,to me, it's sorta like the enemies of the 2nd Amendment. In this case, all the pushing from the Rainbow people, with the Feds helping, makes the church walk a fine line.

As it should be.

Let's talk about reality here for a moment: until "Rainbow people" started pushing back against religiously-imposed beliefs, those "Rainbow people" were not only considered third-class citizens they were legally treated as third-class citizens, including not only having their right to free assembly impinged but also having forced medical procedures done to their body because they did not tow the society's Christian line.

So let's talk about why the church, and its followers, need to keep their beliefs private and why the Rainbow people are so vehement in making sure this is so.

As always, it's easy to play victim.  But when the real victims of social persecutions rise up and make their voices heard, the social constructs (not, necessarily, the particular individuals currently associated with said construct as it may have occurred before they were even born) need to understand the history of their organization and how that may affect how people handle them today.

People have a habit of persecuting others based on their religious interpretations.  The entire world is dealing with this issue on a grand scale with the perceptions of Islam.  There is a good reason that "Freedom of religion" is written in the Constitution and note that the same freedom applies to those who do NOT want to believe as others do, not only to those who do believe.

Religious beliefs have a solid place in society.

As long as that place remains intently personal.

Cross that line at any time and the church can be subjected to lawsuits.  Lawsuits are expensive, win or lose, and the church could reach a point where it would be financially unable to continue.  When I say church I mean the physical church.  Christians come to the physical church as we are taught fellowship with one another.

We all know that it takes ratification by the states to amend or drop the 2nd Amendment but it can literally be cancelled by the action of The POTUS and the SCOTUS.  The same applies to the Freedom to worship.


Yes, I will still be able to worship until they find a way to inhibit that.  Make no mistake, the Feds with their PC definition are doing what they can to encroach on our Religious freedoms, the Constitution be cursed.

[solo1]

Part of what you said is pure you know what.

No further comment.

[Robert]

Without getting into the merits of the lifestyle of the rainbow people, they are a human shield and in league with those that fundamentally want to change the US. The US was formed on the Jewish and Christian religion and its ingrained into society into our laws and no matter how much they try to eliminate it in our history books.

 When Hitler took over Germany this is exactly what he was fighting. So today while we don't call them Nazis we do never the less have a similar if less intense war on religion going on. The morals and construct of society need a base and a non changing guide to follow. This morality and guide is the very thing the war is against. The base the foundation and the principles were based on this, Christianity.

If the powers that be would do this to Christianity then why would they not do this to any society.

[dinosnake]

Part of what you said is pure you know what.

No further comment.

Yep.  I'm 100% right and I'm sure you know that, too.

Let's see how much everyone here will stand up and say "Yeah, I want more of that!" when it's YOU who gets forcibly castrated, involuntarily committed, unwillingly psychologically "treated" including electroshock therapy, governmentally-imposed lobotomized AND police profiled to be stopped, frisked and arrested under suspicion of not wearing the right underwear...

THEN we'll see how you feel about this stuff.

And if you didn't know, or don't believe, any of that happened, then you are not educated in the topic enough to debate the positives or negatives of any of the modern attitudes that we are discussing.

[Valkorado]

Part of what you said is pure you know what.

No further comment.

Yep.  I'm 100% right and I'm sure you know that, too.

Let's see how much everyone here will stand up and say "Yeah, I want more of that!" when it's YOU who gets forcibly castrated, involuntarily committed, unwillingly psychologically "treated" including electroshock therapy, governmentally-imposed lobotomized AND police profiled to be stopped, frisked and arrested under suspicion of not wearing the right underwear...

THEN we'll see how you feel about this stuff.

And if you didn't know, or don't believe, any of that happened, then you are not educated in the topic enough to debate the positives or negatives of any of the modern attitudes that we are discussing.

Lighten up, dino, you're getting your panties in a wad.  Or whatever underwear you're wearing (no judgment here).   

[dinosnake]

Lighten up, dino, you're getting your panties in a wad.  Or whatever underwear you're wearing (no judgment here).   

  LOL

[solo1]

First of all, Dino, you are very close to personally insulting my intelligence. At the age of 88, I have been around the block a few times, and yes, Ive seen what you are talking  about.

However, you mention that we should keep our beliefs to ourselves, privately, I believe that is what you said.

Today, again, I said TODAY, there are those in the Rainbow Coalition who PURPOSELY demand things of Christian churches, even when there is an alternative.  They DEMAND acts which we cannot do because of our beliefs. THEN, again, THEN they use our governemnt to mandate their wishes.  That is trampling on MY rights.

To me, what I'm seeing here is exactly the same as the rioting in the streets because of past real or perceived wrongs done to blacks by whites. Some in the Rainbow Coalition want revenge at the cost of depriving Christians of their rights.  Eventually, there also might be rioting because of this too.

You are coming out with a very strong opinion about past governmentoffenses.

You have not intimidated me, if that is your intent.  I will quote a saying from the past. It is one that I will remember and abide by.  "Here I Stand!!!"  a quote by Martin Luther.

When it comes to denigrating my Faith, I would advise any one that  I will not give in. HERE I STAND!

Wayne, solo1

[solo1]

Now back to our normally scheduled programming.

I apologize for my out burst and I will not comment again. I would ask  that Carl stop all further posts on my thread or pull it.

[Willow]

Wayne, you can type bullshit on this board.

What "dinosnake" posted was indeed largely fabrication.  I found it interesting that he insisted that, "Religious beliefs have a solid place in society.
As long as that place remains intently personal."  The two sentences were his own incorrect use.  He insisted on this in the middle of espousing his own beliefs and implying that anyone who disagreed was obviously wrong and needed to be suppressed.

Anyone else see the irony in that?    
 

[Bighead]

Now back to our normally scheduled programming.

I apologize for my out burst and I will not comment again. I would ask  that Carl stop all further posts on my thread or pull it.

Wayne I see Zero reason for you to apologize and I don't see it as an outburst.

[Valkorado]

Wayne, you can type bullshit on this board.

What "dinosnake" posted was indeed largely fabrication.  I found it interesting that he insisted that, "Religious beliefs have a solid place in society.
As long as that place remains intently personal."  The two sentences were his own incorrect use.  He insisted on this in the middle of espousing his own beliefs and implying that anyone who disagreed was obviously wrong and needed to be suppressed.

Anyone else see the irony in that?    
 

Yes.  Good eye.   

[Serk]

The "Rainbow People" would be hard pressed to find a bigger ally than me (Hell, I proposed to my wife at a large gay bar, because that's where all our friends were, and lets just say we had multiple professional florists fighting over who got to do the flowers for our wedding), but... there's a big difference between stopping forced castrations or even allowing them to marry and putting a gun to a pastor's head and forcing him to perform the marriage...

There's such a thing as the pendulum swinging too far.

[Wizzard]

Wayne, you can type bullshit on this board.

What "dinosnake" posted was indeed largely fabrication.  I found it interesting that he insisted that, "Religious beliefs have a solid place in society.
As long as that place remains intently personal."  The two sentences were his own incorrect use.  He insisted on this in the middle of espousing his own beliefs and implying that anyone who disagreed was obviously wrong and needed to be suppressed.

Anyone else see the irony in that?    
 

Yep,, saw it and agree but I get to the point I just don't say anything because it does no good.
Good post Wayne and I agree with you 100%

[dinosnake]

Wayne, you can type bullshit on this board.

What "dinosnake" posted was indeed largely fabrication.  I found it interesting that he insisted that, "Religious beliefs have a solid place in society.
As long as that place remains intently personal."  The two sentences were his own incorrect use.  He insisted on this in the middle of espousing his own beliefs and implying that anyone who disagreed was obviously wrong and needed to be suppressed.

Anyone else see the irony in that?    
 

Really?  REALLY??

SO YOU ARE GOING TO DENY REALITY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT YOUR BIASED, UNEDUCATED AGENDA?!!

LEARN SOMETHING

https://www.google.com/search?q=GAY+LOBOTOMY

Start here.  Learn and stop sticking your head in the sand, believing that you know things.  Apparently, you don't know squat.

[fudgie]

Are you sure your church just isn't bowing down to these times? Sounds like its voluntary and they are not made to do it.

No talk in the church I got to about it. I know, ur shocked I go to church, so am I! 

There are at least 4 of us that carry to church. Not including the pastor and his wife. She has hers in her purse. Hes working on a shoulder holster but has kept it in his office which is 10' away. Not to mention the arsenal he has around his house.

The PussyCat Lounge is considered a church ? 

I donated my share to cause back in the day! 

I haven't been to any clubs in almost 3 yrs. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Are you sure your church just isn't bowing down to these times? Sounds like its voluntary and they are not made to do it.

No talk in the church I got to about it. I know, ur shocked I go to church, so am I! 

There are at least 4 of us that carry to church. Not including the pastor and his wife. She has hers in her purse. Hes working on a shoulder holster but has kept it in his office which is 10' away. Not to mention the arsenal he has around his house.

The PussyCat Lounge is considered a church ? 

I donated my share to cause back in the day! 

I haven't been to any clubs in almost 3 yrs. 

If it makes you feel any better, it's been close to 25 years for me. Sure wish I had all that money I wasted in strip clubs though. 

[fudgie]

Are you sure your church just isn't bowing down to these times? Sounds like its voluntary and they are not made to do it.

No talk in the church I got to about it. I know, ur shocked I go to church, so am I! 

There are at least 4 of us that carry to church. Not including the pastor and his wife. She has hers in her purse. Hes working on a shoulder holster but has kept it in his office which is 10' away. Not to mention the arsenal he has around his house.

The PussyCat Lounge is considered a church ? 

I donated my share to cause back in the day! 

I haven't been to any clubs in almost 3 yrs. 

If it makes you feel any better, it's been close to 25 years for me. Sure wish I had all that money I wasted in strip clubs though. 

Yea me to but some nights it was worth it. 

[Wizzard]

I never WASTED any money in strip clubs.
Take that any way you want 

[Bighead]

Wayne, you can type bullshit on this board.

What "dinosnake" posted was indeed largely fabrication.  I found it interesting that he insisted that, "Religious beliefs have a solid place in society.
As long as that place remains intently personal."  The two sentences were his own incorrect use.  He insisted on this in the middle of espousing his own beliefs and implying that anyone who disagreed was obviously wrong and needed to be suppressed.

Anyone else see the irony in that?    
 

Really?  REALLY??

SO YOU ARE GOING TO DENY REALITY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT YOUR BIASED, UNEDUCATED AGENDA?!!

LEARN SOMETHING

https://www.google.com/search?q=GAY+LOBOTOMY

Start here.  Learn and stop sticking your head in the sand, believing that you know things.  Apparently, you don't know squat.

Yep the first article and it said many were forced into mental institutions and forced to have lobotomies but it said Forced by Their Families not CHURCHES. So seems to me you have it twisted a bit.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I never WASTED any money in strip clubs.
Take that any way you want 

Hmm... One of those smart tippers heh ? 

[baldo]

Are you sure your church just isn't bowing down to these times? Sounds like its voluntary and they are not made to do it.

No talk in the church I got to about it. I know, ur shocked I go to church, so am I! 

There are at least 4 of us that carry to church. Not including the pastor and his wife. She has hers in her purse. Hes working on a shoulder holster but has kept it in his office which is 10' away. Not to mention the arsenal he has around his house.

The PussyCat Lounge is considered a church ? 

I donated my share to cause back in the day! 

I haven't been to any clubs in almost 3 yrs. 

The last time I was in a club was 1991, Niagara Falls. Did something stupid, got my ass handed to me by one of the performers on the stage...to this day, I break out in a cold sweat when I hear a woman speaking Canuck.....

[Willow]

Really?  REALLY??

SO YOU ARE GOING TO DENY REALITY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT YOUR BIASED, UNEDUCATED AGENDA?!!

LEARN SOMETHING

https://www.google.com/search?q=GAY+LOBOTOMY

Start here.  Learn and stop sticking your head in the sand, believing that you know things.  Apparently, you don't know squat.

I'm going to take that under the consideration that you don't really know me.

If I were inclined to behave in an ignorant fashion I could type the exact same words, perhaps even including the Google search, to you.  You do seem to see realty only in terms of what you have already chosen to believe and you have stretched well beyond believability what appears to have been a number of reported instances that don't quite fit what you choose to represent them as.  

As far as my head being in the sand, my head is right where I choose it to be and I do know things.  Incidentally it's not in the sand that I believe your head to be.

I won't continue this conversation with you because you have not displayed the level of intellectual capability that I would require to engage in a reasonable intelligent discussion.

For those of you who are keeping track I want you to notice how well my filter is working at this time.      

[The emperor has no clothes]

Really?  REALLY??

SO YOU ARE GOING TO DENY REALITY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT YOUR BIASED, UNEDUCATED AGENDA?!!

LEARN SOMETHING

https://www.google.com/search?q=GAY+LOBOTOMY

Start here.  Learn and stop sticking your head in the sand, believing that you know things.  Apparently, you don't know squat.

I'm going to take that under the consideration that you don't really know me.

If I were inclined to behave in an ignorant fashion I could type the exact same words, perhaps even including the Google search, to you.  You do seem to see realty only in terms of what you have already chosen to believe and you have stretched well beyond believability what appears to have been a number of reported instances that don't quite fit what you choose to represent them as.  

As far as my head being in the sand, my head is right where I choose it to be and I do know things.  Incidentally it's not in the sand that I believe your head to be.

I won't continue this conversation with you because you have not displayed the level of intellectual capability that I would require to engage in a reasonable intelligent discussion.

For those of you who are keeping track I want you to notice how well my filter is working at this time.      

whom ? (And yes it seems to be in tiptop shape)

[Gavin_Sons]

Wayne, you can type bullshit on this board.

What "dinosnake" posted was indeed largely fabrication.  I found it interesting that he insisted that, "Religious beliefs have a solid place in society.
As long as that place remains intently personal."  The two sentences were his own incorrect use.  He insisted on this in the middle of espousing his own beliefs and implying that anyone who disagreed was obviously wrong and needed to be suppressed.

Anyone else see the irony in that?    
 

Really?  REALLY??

SO YOU ARE GOING TO DENY REALITY BECAUSE IT DOESN'T FIT YOUR BIASED, UNEDUCATED AGENDA?!!

LEARN SOMETHING

https://www.google.com/search?q=GAY+LOBOTOMY

Start here.  Learn and stop sticking your head in the sand, believing that you know things.  Apparently, you don't know squat.

When Willow speaks or in this case types, there is no need to question what he says. I learned lomg ago that you nor I will ever win an argument with that man. I take what he says and learn from it. The man is not stupid no matter how much you try to belittle him.