Watching The Insanity In Charlotte

[Valkorado]

Don't get me started.   Too late.

Anarchy in the streets.  Looting.  Stopping traffic, jumping on cars.  ATVs and dirt bikes doing wheelies down the street, just in front of the police line.  People taunting the cops with their cell phones at ready to capture some "brutailty".  

Some caucasion dufus roller skating in circles in front of the police line holding the black power fist high.  

Welcome to modern America, Obama style.  Speaking of the Great Unifier, no call for calm from the White House.  No nothing.  As usual.  

The Emperor wears no clothes, and his promises have had a bitter yield.

November 8th vote for change.  

[Pepmyster]

Watching this myself also, We have so much pity for our neighbors , So sad to see.

[Hooter]

Loot & burn your own town down! Shows the intelligence of today's society and the poor us syndrome! What is anyone going to get out of this? Where is the gain?

[DK]

I would absolutely love to see a truthful, factual and objective explanation of how and why any one individual or single interest group bears the entire responsibility for these events.

[Valkorado]

I would absolutely love to see a truthful, factual and objective explanation of how and why any one individual or single interest group bears the entire responsibility for these events.

No individual bears the entire responsibility.  But the lion's share goes to Obama and his divisive rhetoric.

Think back to the "Beer Summit".  Then go from there.

http://www.breitbart.com/video/2016/07/10/judge-jeanine-obama-stokes-flames-division-every-chance-gets/

http://watchdog.org/270168/dallas-sheriff-clarke-says-obama-spurring-racial-divide-america/

http://insider.foxnews.com/2014/12/07/you-see-racism-everywhere-judge-jeanine-pirro-slams-president-obamas-racial-bias

http://www.thecommonsenseshow.com/2014/11/25/obama-fans-the-flames-of-racism-in-a-stunning-failure-of-leadership/

[GARY G]

Don't get me started.   Too late.

Anarchy in the streets.  Looting.  Stopping traffic, jumping on cars.  ATVs and dirt bikes doing wheelies down the street, just in front of the police line.  People taunting the cops with their cell phones at ready to capture some "brutailty".  

Some caucasion dufus roller skating in circles in front of the police line holding the black power fist high.  

Welcome to modern America, Obama style.  Speaking of the Great Unifier, no call for calm from the White House.  No nothing.  As usual.  

The Emperor wears no clothes, and his promises have had a bitter yield.

November 8th vote for change.  

[TallRider]

Gulliani last night on Fox Hanity ripped into Obama said if he was president he would have called the Charlotte police chief immediately and requested to see the video himself and immediately got on tv and responded to the action appropriatly. Obama as usual is silient. Or in many other cases mispoke and went on Driveby info. He has reptedly made no attempt to midigate any of these issues that have come up and generally stoked the flames by his actions.

[cokebottle10]

Prejudging young black males is something that happens all the time. I think most people know this. “He looks like a bad dude” but it is not just the whites that do this, blacks do it too. But still this is a legitimate problem that needs to be addressed. The Black Lives Matter movement has this injustice at its core. But when they back people that are guilty it cheapens the message. MLK was powerful because he was non-violent. That is much harder to do. When people riot in the streets it does not help their cause. It just turns others that would support them away.

President Obama had the best opportunity of any president to help fix race relations in this country. But instead he chose to divide and conquer. Divide and conquer is effective to get things done and he has, but we as a country are no better off. I’m 57 and this is the worst that I have seen it since the 70s. Is this his fault because he did not take this opportunity? I don’t think so, but if he had I think that he would be remembered as one of the best president we ever had. But because he did not I think he will end up as a foot note in history. Known only as the first black president.

Thanks, David in Fletcher NC.

[f6john]

Let's not forget, he is biracial. Not sure how that has affected his rise to power but I his actions are so strange he's a hard one to figure.

[Patrick]

Let's not forget, he is biracial. Not sure how that has affected his rise to power but I his actions are so strange he's a hard one to figure.

Yep, I don't see how people can say that. He is not black as far as I'm concerned. If we really had to have a black man for president there were other choices, much better choices.
Of course if we want to go by the old standard for determining race then I guess he would be considered black. But, then I believe he would still be considered 3/5 of a person.

[Wizzard]

From what I have seen if you are even a small fraction "black"  then you are black. They claim it.

[baldo]

Let's not forget, he is biracial. Not sure how that has affected his rise to power but I his actions are so strange he's a hard one to figure.

Yep, I don't see how people can say that. He is not black as far as I'm concerned. If we really had to have a black man for president there were other choices, much better choices.
Of course if we want to go by the old standard for determining race then I guess he would be considered black. But, then I believe he would still be considered 3/5 of a person.

I'm curious. Who would you consider 'better' black men?

[Serk]

I'm curious. Who would you consider 'better' black men?

Herman Cain
Clarence Thomas
Alan Keyes
Thomas Sowell
Ben Carson
Condoleeza Rice (Assuming you meant "men" in the generic sense and not only specifically men)
Colin Powell (With an asterisk)
Mia Love
Allen West


That's just the ones I can think of off the top of my head that I would have happily supported.

[Hooter]

I'm in on Condoleezza Rice and Colon Powell.     

[The emperor has no clothes]

From what I have seen if you are even a small fraction "black"  then you are black. They claim it.

And also for some just a fraction black is a fraction too much.

[Wizzard]

From what I have seen if you are even a small fraction "black"  then you are black. They claim it.

And also for some just a fraction black is a fraction too much.

Personally,, I have not seen that much of that.

[baldo]

I'm curious. Who would you consider 'better' black men?

Herman Cain
Clarence Thomas
Alan Keyes
Thomas Sowell
Ben Carson
Condoleeza Rice (Assuming you meant "men" in the generic sense and not only specifically men)
Colin Powell (With an asterisk)
Mia Love
Allen West


That's just the ones I can think of off the top of my head that I would have happily supported.

The only one on your list that I would even consider would be Powell. The rest.....not so much.

[The emperor has no clothes]

From what I have seen if you are even a small fraction "black"  then you are black. They claim it.

And also for some just a fraction black is a fraction too much.

Personally,, I have not seen that much of that.

Unfortunately I was raised in an environment full of it. And still have some around me sadly. A psychologist might say it has something to do with the way I see the world. Or he may just say I'm psychotic .  ???

[phideux]

I'm curious. Who would you consider 'better' black men?

Herman Cain
Clarence Thomas
Alan Keyes
Thomas Sowell
Ben Carson
Condoleeza Rice (Assuming you meant "men" in the generic sense and not only specifically men)
Colin Powell (With an asterisk)
Mia Love
Allen West


That's just the ones I can think of off the top of my head that I would have happily supported.

I think Condie Rice would make a great first Black/Woman President.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm curious. Who would you consider 'better' black men?

Herman Cain
Clarence Thomas
Alan Keyes
Thomas Sowell
Ben Carson
Condoleeza Rice (Assuming you meant "men" in the generic sense and not only specifically men)
Colin Powell (With an asterisk)
Mia Love
Allen West


That's just the ones I can think of off the top of my head that I would have happily supported.

Mia Love ? Is she a porn star ?

[Serk]

I'm curious. Who would you consider 'better' black men?

Herman Cain
Clarence Thomas
Alan Keyes
Thomas Sowell
Ben Carson
Condoleeza Rice (Assuming you meant "men" in the generic sense and not only specifically men)
Colin Powell (With an asterisk)
Mia Love
Allen West


That's just the ones I can think of off the top of my head that I would have happily supported.

Mia Love ? Is she a porn star ?

Nope... She's a US Representative for Utah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_Love

[RP#62]

From what I have seen if you are even a small fraction "black"  then you are black. They claim it.

And also for some just a fraction black is a fraction too much.

Personally,, I have not seen that much of that.

Unfortunately I was raised in an environment full of it. And still have some around me sadly. A psychologist might say it has something to do with the way I see the world. Or he may just say I'm psychotic .  ???

You can't be, you weren't at the meeting last night.

-RP

[The emperor has no clothes]

From what I have seen if you are even a small fraction "black"  then you are black. They claim it.

And also for some just a fraction black is a fraction too much.

Personally,, I have not seen that much of that.

Unfortunately I was raised in an environment full of it. And still have some around me sadly. A psychologist might say it has something to do with the way I see the world. Or he may just say I'm psychotic .  ???

You can't be, you weren't at the meeting last night.

-RP

Dang it ! I thought it was Friday nights .

[f6john]

   When I was a young kid my Dad accused me of "having a chip on my shoulder". I didn't understand what he meant and even after he explained the concept I didn't see how it applied to me. I'm sure my Dad was right in his assessment of my behavior and have always wished I had not disappointed him in this way.

    That's how I view most of the "protesters" on the tv. They are looking for trouble and willing to go out of their way to find it. Same with some of the people who are shot by police. To not respond to a police officers commands, especially when the office has his weapon out of it's holster, makes you a poster child for stupid and when you are shot your chip has just been knocked off.

[baldo]

  When I was a young kid my Dad accused me of "having a chip on my shoulder". I didn't understand what he meant and even after he explained the concept I didn't see how it applied to me. I'm sure my Dad was right in his assessment of my behavior and have always wished I had not disappointed him in this way.

    That's how I view most of the "protesters" on the tv. They are looking for trouble and willing to go out of their way to find it. Same with some of the people who are shot by police. To not respond to a police officers commands, especially when the office has his weapon out of it's holster, makes you a poster child for stupid and when you are shot your chip has just been knocked off.

So where does 12 yr old Tamir Rice fit in?

[LTD]

Your seeing the end of the American empire.  More cities will burn and be destroyed many many  more

[Willow]

  When I was a young kid my Dad accused me of "having a chip on my shoulder". I didn't understand what he meant and even after he explained the concept I didn't see how it applied to me. I'm sure my Dad was right in his assessment of my behavior and have always wished I had not disappointed him in this way.

    That's how I view most of the "protesters" on the tv. They are looking for trouble and willing to go out of their way to find it. Same with some of the people who are shot by police. To not respond to a police officers commands, especially when the office has his weapon out of it's holster, makes you a poster child for stupid and when you are shot your chip has just been knocked off.

So where does 12 yr old Tamir Rice fit in?

It leaves him in the category of someone who reached for a gun when the police approached.  It was a mistake in retrospect, but who initiated the mistake?  The investigation clearly indicated the gun looked like a firearm.  Information later released indicated the officer who fired had been judged as emotionally unstable in the past.  I wonder how many people who find this unacceptable would like for the police officers to take a couple of shots toward them before they decide they're being threatened with a real firearm? 

[f6john]

  When I was a young kid my Dad accused me of "having a chip on my shoulder". I didn't understand what he meant and even after he explained the concept I didn't see how it applied to me. I'm sure my Dad was right in his assessment of my behavior and have always wished I had not disappointed him in this way.

    That's how I view most of the "protesters" on the tv. They are looking for trouble and willing to go out of their way to find it. Same with some of the people who are shot by police. To not respond to a police officers commands, especially when the office has his weapon out of it's holster, makes you a poster child for stupid and when you are shot your chip has just been knocked off.

So where does 12 yr old Tamir Rice fit in?

    His name is not familiar to me, but if he is the youngster who had a toy gun and was shot by police when they rolled up on him after a call was received that someone with a gun was in the area (park?) I would have to say breakdown of the family unit and police who are in some cases too scared to be doing the job. I was introduced to the rules involving guns at a very early age. The number one rule was, never point a weapon at anyone or anything you don't intend to kill. I was taught this rule while still "playing" with a toy gun. Tamir probably had no liability on him other than his youth and not recognizing the situation he was in. I didn't see any Tamir's in the crowd last night but given the state of parenting I could not eliminate the possibility. Tamir's case was/is a tragedy. Sadly, probably won't be the last. How many dead black youth killed by other black people from Chicago can you name? Are they somehow less tragic?

     And to answer you question more directly, he did not fit into my post at all.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm curious. Who would you consider 'better' black men?

Herman Cain
Clarence Thomas
Alan Keyes
Thomas Sowell
Ben Carson
Condoleeza Rice (Assuming you meant "men" in the generic sense and not only specifically men)
Colin Powell (With an asterisk)
Mia Love
Allen West


That's just the ones I can think of off the top of my head that I would have happily supported.

Mia Love ? Is she a porn star ?

Nope... She's a US Representative for Utah.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mia_Love

(it was a stupid joke)

[baldo]

  When I was a young kid my Dad accused me of "having a chip on my shoulder". I didn't understand what he meant and even after he explained the concept I didn't see how it applied to me. I'm sure my Dad was right in his assessment of my behavior and have always wished I had not disappointed him in this way.

    That's how I view most of the "protesters" on the tv. They are looking for trouble and willing to go out of their way to find it. Same with some of the people who are shot by police. To not respond to a police officers commands, especially when the office has his weapon out of it's holster, makes you a poster child for stupid and when you are shot your chip has just been knocked off.

So where does 12 yr old Tamir Rice fit in?

It leaves him in the category of someone who reached for a gun when the police approached.  It was a mistake in retrospect, but who initiated the mistake?  The investigation clearly indicated the gun looked like a firearm.  Information later released indicated the officer who fired had been judged as emotionally unstable in the past.  I wonder how many people who find this unacceptable would like for the police officers to take a couple of shots toward them before they decide they're being threatened with a real firearm? 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2014/nov/26/cleveland-video-tamir-rice-shooting-police

You can count the seconds on one fing hand before that cop shot him.

[baldo]

  When I was a young kid my Dad accused me of "having a chip on my shoulder". I didn't understand what he meant and even after he explained the concept I didn't see how it applied to me. I'm sure my Dad was right in his assessment of my behavior and have always wished I had not disappointed him in this way.

    That's how I view most of the "protesters" on the tv. They are looking for trouble and willing to go out of their way to find it. Same with some of the people who are shot by police. To not respond to a police officers commands, especially when the office has his weapon out of it's holster, makes you a poster child for stupid and when you are shot your chip has just been knocked off.

So where does 12 yr old Tamir Rice fit in?

    His name is not familiar to me, but if he is the youngster who had a toy gun and was shot by police when they rolled up on him after a call was received that someone with a gun was in the area (park?) I would have to say breakdown of the family unit and police who are in some cases too scared to be doing the job. I was introduced to the rules involving guns at a very early age. The number one rule was, never point a weapon at anyone or anything you don't intend to kill. I was taught this rule while still "playing" with a toy gun. Tamir probably had no liability on him other than his youth and not recognizing the situation he was in. I didn't see any Tamir's in the crowd last night but given the state of parenting I could not eliminate the possibility. Tamir's case was/is a tragedy. Sadly, probably won't be the last. How many dead black youth killed by other black people from Chicago can you name? Are they somehow less tragic?

     And to answer you question more directly, he did not fit into my post at all.

From your earlier post....

"Same with some of the people who are shot by police. To not respond to a police officers commands, especially when the office has his weapon out of it's holster, makes you a poster child for stupid and when you are shot your chip has just been knocked off."

[Romeo]

From what I have seen if you are even a small fraction "black"  then you are black. They claim it.

And also for some just a fraction black is a fraction too much.

Personally,, I have not seen that much of that.

nor have I

[f6john]

  When I was a young kid my Dad accused me of "having a chip on my shoulder". I didn't understand what he meant and even after he explained the concept I didn't see how it applied to me. I'm sure my Dad was right in his assessment of my behavior and have always wished I had not disappointed him in this way.

    That's how I view most of the "protesters" on the tv. They are looking for trouble and willing to go out of their way to find it. Same with some of the people who are shot by police. To not respond to a police officers commands, especially when the office has his weapon out of it's holster, makes you a poster child for stupid and when you are shot your chip has just been knocked off.

So where does 12 yr old Tamir Rice fit in?

    His name is not familiar to me, but if he is the youngster who had a toy gun and was shot by police when they rolled up on him after a call was received that someone with a gun was in the area (park?) I would have to say breakdown of the family unit and police who are in some cases too scared to be doing the job. I was introduced to the rules involving guns at a very early age. The number one rule was, never point a weapon at anyone or anything you don't intend to kill. I was taught this rule while still "playing" with a toy gun. Tamir probably had no liability on him other than his youth and not recognizing the situation he was in. I didn't see any Tamir's in the crowd last night but given the state of parenting I could not eliminate the possibility. Tamir's case was/is a tragedy. Sadly, probably won't be the last. How many dead black youth killed by other black people from Chicago can you name? Are they somehow less tragic?

     And to answer you question more directly, he did not fit into my post at all.

From your earlier post....

"Same with some
 of the people who are shot by police. To not respond to a police officers commands, especially when the office has his weapon out of it's holster, makes you a poster child for stupid and when you are shot your chip has just been knocked off."

Key word some nagging little detail, but important to the statement I was making.

[TallRider]

I had to run out to the drug store this evening and had Mark Lavin radio show on. He was talking to a black retired football player who was an activist on the struggle to re educate the black community on the distorted history the NAACP has been trying to rewrite. He stated the first person to die in the civil war durring the Boston massicre was a black man. This group was started by 22 white progressives and gradually taken  over by the  current, what he describes  as marksist and communist and progressive  thinking people. Kind of interesting hearing his point. I'm  sorry I missed  most of the discussion. Kind of stepping into the police perspective now I  have been watching A&E  which runs "Another 48" this is a live filming of police homicides in many major cities  like Dallas, Tulsa, cleavland, Miami and Atlanta. Sad to say this documents black on black as the predominant cases. My take from watching this shows the general killing done especially by black youngsters is violent, senses and off ten unprovoked. They seem to just shoot someone just because the have the gun. When caught and asked why they basically have no reason. As a police officer handling crime and  criminals when confronted with a situation may in many cases do not give much latitude to an un cooperative or buligerant person who shows aggression and may be armed dealing on a daily basis with this kind of violence every day. We hear about this violence but never experience it directly. Just as war, most beople have no appreciation for what a military personnel has gone through if serving in a hostile situation. The distorted view the black community has on everything over the years creates conflicts between  everyone. A sad state of affairs.

[baldo]

  When I was a young kid my Dad accused me of "having a chip on my shoulder". I didn't understand what he meant and even after he explained the concept I didn't see how it applied to me. I'm sure my Dad was right in his assessment of my behavior and have always wished I had not disappointed him in this way.

    That's how I view most of the "protesters" on the tv. They are looking for trouble and willing to go out of their way to find it. Same with some of the people who are shot by police. To not respond to a police officers commands, especially when the office has his weapon out of it's holster, makes you a poster child for stupid and when you are shot your chip has just been knocked off.

So where does 12 yr old Tamir Rice fit in?

    His name is not familiar to me, but if he is the youngster who had a toy gun and was shot by police when they rolled up on him after a call was received that someone with a gun was in the area (park?) I would have to say breakdown of the family unit and police who are in some cases too scared to be doing the job. I was introduced to the rules involving guns at a very early age. The number one rule was, never point a weapon at anyone or anything you don't intend to kill. I was taught this rule while still "playing" with a toy gun. Tamir probably had no liability on him other than his youth and not recognizing the situation he was in. I didn't see any Tamir's in the crowd last night but given the state of parenting I could not eliminate the possibility. Tamir's case was/is a tragedy. Sadly, probably won't be the last. How many dead black youth killed by other black people from Chicago can you name? Are they somehow less tragic?

     And to answer you question more directly, he did not fit into my post at all.

From your earlier post....

"Same with some
 of the people who are shot by police. To not respond to a police officers commands, especially when the office has his weapon out of it's holster, makes you a poster child for stupid and when you are shot your chip has just been knocked off."

Key word some nagging little detail, but important to the statement I was making.

Yes, I saw that. I was making the more general statement.....

[Rams]

You can count the seconds on one fing hand before that cop shot him.

OK...   And, that indicates what?

[phideux]

[

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2014/nov/26/cleveland-video-tamir-rice-shooting-police

You can count the seconds on one fing hand before that cop shot him.
[/quote]

And how long are you supposed to let someone point a gun at you before you react????

[Bighead]

A guy not too far from here shot and killed last night by the Police. Guess what you will never here a word about it because he was white. He got what he deserved, he was on drugs acting stupid and not following orders and aggressive behavior to the police Bang case closed. Haven't seen a thing on the news about it and won't wonder why?

[baldo]

[

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2014/nov/26/cleveland-video-tamir-rice-shooting-police

You can count the seconds on one fing hand before that cop shot him.

And how long are you supposed to let someone point a gun at you before you react????
[/quote]

You watch that video and tell me he pointed the gun...and since when does a cop pull his cruiser up to within 10' of someone with a gun? That cop was shooting before the kid knew what he was saying. That cop should be in jail!

[Rams]

[

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/video/2014/nov/26/cleveland-video-tamir-rice-shooting-police

You can count the seconds on one fing hand before that cop shot him.

And how long are you supposed to let someone point a gun at you before you react????

You watch that video and tell me he pointed the gun...and since when does a cop pull his cruiser up to within 10' of someone with a gun? That cop was shooting before the kid knew what he was saying. That cop should be in jail!
[/quote]

Unfortunately, I can't see what the LEO saw, I can't see everything the kid is doing and I can't read any of their minds to know what they were thinking.    I think this is one of those "perspective" things.    You see something I don't.   First time I've seen that video and I can't honestly say I agree with your assessment.   

I'm also not a cop assigned to go into a crime ridden area where gang members shoot folks for fun.   Hard for me to blame the LEOs for shooting a kid pulling a gun.   But, I'm sure that they'd be happy to let you or others police the area should you choose to volunteer.   

LEOs have a very difficult job.   Many never go home because of split decisions they don't make quite quick enough.    Wouldn't matter to me what the age or race of the offender was, pull a gun, expect a reaction.