Pure Evil and hillary wants to bring them here

[98valk]

PURE EVIL

http://patriotnewsagency.com/2016/10/isis-delivers-starving-mother-a-savory-meal-then-reveal-whats-in-it-video-shows-hillarys-guilt/

Dakhil told Politico that ISIS fighters had starved a woman for several days before inviting her to a lavish meal of rice and meat. Having separated her from her sons, ages 3 and 5, the desperate woman thought that her kidnappers may have had a change of heart — but that was far from their plans.

“One of the mothers calls me … she said ‘for two days the ISIS doesn’t give me any food’ and they separated her children. One of them is 3 years and another is 5 years, after two days they give her rice with meat. After she’s eating, they tell her this is your boy — 3 years,” Dakhil said.

“She tells me please, I can’t, I don’t know what can I do — I’m eating my son. This is what happened with those woman under ISIS control and nobody cares.”

[Gryphon Rider]

Surely you're smart enough to realize that western democracies are trying to bring in the refugees that are FLEEING this satanic behaviour?

[RP#62]

Obviously, that is their desire, but if they are not properly vetting those they bring in (and they have admitted to as much), how do you know what you've brought in?

-RP

[Moonshot_1]

Surely you're smart enough to realize that western democracies are trying to bring in the refugees that are FLEEING this satanic behaviour?

This is where I got an issue.

The refugees are not people looking for Freedom, Liberty, Baseball, Apple Pie and the American way.

These refugees observe a culture that is based on Islamic Culture. This is a culture that would punish homosexuals with death, rape VICTIMS with death, rejects Religious freedoms, rejects Freedom of Speech, observes cruel and unusual punishments for even minor crimes, and the list goes on.

This is NOT radical Islam. This is Main street Islam. I cannot fathom why we would consider bringing such a culture into our own. They do not come here to assimilate into the Western World Culture.
They come to establish theirs.

It is this Main Street Islam that is under attack by the Radical Islam, born of the Main Street Islamic Culture and practiced by the likes of ISIS.

I don't know why the international community cannot create safe areas in that region for the refugees.
Keep and isolate that culture in the Middle East.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Surely you're smart enough to realize that western democracies are trying to bring in the refugees that are FLEEING this satanic behaviour?

This is where I got an issue.

The refugees are not people looking for Freedom, Liberty, Baseball, Apple Pie and the American way.

These refugees observe a culture that is based on Islamic Culture. This is a culture that would punish homosexuals with death, rape VICTIMS with death, rejects Religious freedoms, rejects Freedom of Speech, observes cruel and unusual punishments for even minor crimes, and the list goes on.

This is NOT radical Islam. This is Main street Islam. I cannot fathom why we would consider bringing such a culture into our own. They do not come here to assimilate into the Western World Culture.
They come to establish theirs.

It is this Main Street Islam that is under attack by the Radical Islam, born of the Main Street Islamic Culture and practiced by the likes of ISIS.

I don't know why the international community cannot create safe areas in that region for the refugees.
Keep and isolate that culture in the Middle East.

You really should research your theories.
Refugees in the region

More than 4.5 million refugees from Syria are in just five countries Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt:

Turkey hosts 2.5 million refugees from Syria, more than any other country worldwide
Lebanon hosts approximately 1.1 million refugees from Syria which amounts to around one in five people in the country
Jordan hosts approximately 635,324 refugees from Syria, which amounts to about 10% of the population
Iraq where 3.9 million people are already internally displaced hosts 245,022 refugees from Syria
Egypt hosts 117,658 refugees from Syria

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3850840/Third-batch-child-migrants-begin-journey-Calais-Jungle-UK-Home-Office-admit-two-thirds-past-children-lied-age-officials.html

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3853304/The-bloodbath-begins-Mustard-gas-Truck-bombs-Trenches-oil-million-civilians-used-human-shields-ISIS-unleash-hell-defence-Iraqi-stronghold.html

[Moonshot_1]

Surely you're smart enough to realize that western democracies are trying to bring in the refugees that are FLEEING this satanic behaviour?

This is where I got an issue.

The refugees are not people looking for Freedom, Liberty, Baseball, Apple Pie and the American way.

These refugees observe a culture that is based on Islamic Culture. This is a culture that would punish homosexuals with death, rape VICTIMS with death, rejects Religious freedoms, rejects Freedom of Speech, observes cruel and unusual punishments for even minor crimes, and the list goes on.

This is NOT radical Islam. This is Main street Islam. I cannot fathom why we would consider bringing such a culture into our own. They do not come here to assimilate into the Western World Culture.
They come to establish theirs.

It is this Main Street Islam that is under attack by the Radical Islam, born of the Main Street Islamic Culture and practiced by the likes of ISIS.

I don't know why the international community cannot create safe areas in that region for the refugees.
Keep and isolate that culture in the Middle East.

You really should research your theories.
Refugees in the region

More than 4.5 million refugees from Syria are in just five countries Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and Egypt:

Turkey hosts 2.5 million refugees from Syria, more than any other country worldwide
Lebanon hosts approximately 1.1 million refugees from Syria which amounts to around one in five people in the country
Jordan hosts approximately 635,324 refugees from Syria, which amounts to about 10% of the population
Iraq where 3.9 million people are already internally displaced hosts 245,022 refugees from Syria
Egypt hosts 117,658 refugees from Syria

Did not realize they were that extensive. Good to see it and good to see it being done in that cultural region. I still do not understand the desire for western countries to accept this culture on a wholesale basis. I support significant assistance in hosting the refugees in that region.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Moonshot, I don't think the idea is they want to accept their culture. Their thinking is purely humanitarian in not seeing women and children slaughtered. Seems pretty honorable to me.

[Moonshot_1]

Moonshot, I don't think the idea is they want to accept their culture. Their thinking is purely humanitarian in not seeing women and children slaughtered. Seems pretty honorable to me.

But bringing them here and denying them their culture (surely we can't accept such a cultural stance) would be extremely problematic. The problem is that we'd bring them here in a "wholesale" capacity. They are not coming over as individuals looking for Liberty, Freedom and the American way. They would come over as foreign national old school Islamic Culture folks.

I just see us setting them and ourselves up for great strife. Northern Africa is HUGE. Surely we can and continue work with strong regional countries to set up safe enclaves for more Refugees in their own cultural area. Plus the added security benefit of isolating the extreme radical elements of the culture as well.

[Gavin_Sons]

Drop them in the middle of the Mojave desert  they should feel at home there

[The emperor has no clothes]

Moonshot, I don't think the idea is they want to accept their culture. Their thinking is purely humanitarian in not seeing women and children slaughtered. Seems pretty honorable to me.

But bringing them here and denying them their culture (surely we can't accept such a cultural stance) would be extremely problematic. The problem is that we'd bring them here in a "wholesale" capacity. They are not coming over as individuals looking for Liberty, Freedom and the American way. They would come over as foreign national old school Islamic Culture folks.

I just see us setting them and ourselves up for great strife. Northern Africa is HUGE. Surely we can and continue work with strong regional countries to set up safe enclaves for more Refugees in their own cultural area. Plus the added security benefit of isolating the extreme radical elements of the culture as well.

Would you be alright with it if we only accepted Christians ? I think there was much the same talk 70-80 years ago. I wonder how many could have been saved ?

[Gavin_Sons]

Moonshot, I don't think the idea is they want to accept their culture. Their thinking is purely humanitarian in not seeing women and children slaughtered. Seems pretty honorable to me.

But bringing them here and denying them their culture (surely we can't accept such a cultural stance) would be extremely problematic. The problem is that we'd bring them here in a "wholesale" capacity. They are not coming over as individuals looking for Liberty, Freedom and the American way. They would come over as foreign national old school Islamic Culture folks.

I just see us setting them and ourselves up for great strife. Northern Africa is HUGE. Surely we can and continue work with strong regional countries to set up safe enclaves for more Refugees in their own cultural area. Plus the added security benefit of isolating the extreme radical elements of the culture as well.

Would you be alright with it if we only accepted Christians ? I think there was much the same talk 70-80 years ago. I wonder how many could have been saved ?

I'd be ok with that, if they were not from the middle east countries.

[dragonslayer]

Have you not seen what's going on in Europe.They attack the people who live there because they don't abide by islams teachings.It's so bad in Dearborn that even the cops won't go there.How would you like it if your wife came home beatup and you daughter raped because they didn't like the way they looked,or your 8 year old son beatup and raped also because that is accepted in their country.Have you not seen what is going on in London with these ragheads going into public parks and telling the citizens that what they are doing is unacceptable under Islamic laws and to leave.Excuse me but this is my country and I fought for it and lost several friends to war and I'll be dammed if I will tolerate being told what to do in the USA,It's our country and if you don't support it and assimilate to our way of life then get out.When you start watching what's really going on and not what hillerys media is telling you come back here and we can discuss the matter as 2 informed people.

[98valk]

Surely you're smart enough to realize that western democracies are trying to bring in the refugees that are FLEEING this satanic behaviour?

wake up they are coming to canada also. IT IS AN INVASION.  They never stopped trying to take over the world something the crusades had stopped. but now UN world elists are bringing them back, but it will backfire on all of them.

WAKE UP PEOPLE
http://pamelageller.com/2016/10/two-thirds-of-child-refugees-screened-by-officials-found-to-be-adults-report-shows.html/

http://therightscoop.com/united-nations-says-72-of-syrian-refugees-are-men-only-13-are-children/

http://britishfreepress.com/videos/video-well-come-by-the-hundreds-of-millions-and-turn-europe-black

http://pamelageller.com/2016/10/france-horror-female-journalist-raped-by-knife-wielding-migrants-at-camp.html/

http://pamelageller.com/2016/10/violent-muslims-sex-gang-sexually-degarded-nonmulims.html/

http://pamelageller.com/2016/10/19-year-old-muslim-migrant-rapes-90-year-old-grandmother-coming-home-from-church.html/

http://pamelageller.com/2016/10/maryland-muslim-charged-with-trying-to-kill-u-s-soldier-for-isis.html/

http://britishfreepress.com/videos/video-cologne-body-builder-who-tried-to-protect-women-from-rapist-migrants

http://knightstemplarinternational.com/2016/10/denmark-muslims-stage-organised-attack-teenagers-american/

http://pamelageller.com/2016/10/canada-muslim-says-yes-indeed-sharia-in-america-is-possibility.html/

http://knightstemplarinternational.com/2016/10/video-will-breed-children-shall-conquer-countries-2/

http://pamelageller.com/2016/10/watch-muslim-migrants-throw-themselves-in-front-of-city-buses-attack-cars-screaming-allah-akbar.html/



http://patriotnewsagency.com/2016/10/see-news-crew-attacked-by-migrant-gang/



http://britishfreepress.com/world-news/another-eight-men-guilty-of-sexual-abuse-in-rotherham

[The emperor has no clothes]

Have you not seen what's going on in Europe.They attack the people who live there because they don't abide by islams teachings.It's so bad in Dearborn that even the cops won't go there.How would you like it if your wife came home beatup and you daughter raped because they didn't like the way they looked,or your 8 year old son beatup and raped also because that is accepted in their country.Have you not seen what is going on in London with these ragheads going into public parks and telling the citizens that what they are doing is unaccept under Islamic laws and to leave.Excuse me but this is my country and I fought for it and lost several friend to war and I'll be dammed if I will tolerate being told what to do in the USA,It's our country and if you don't support then get out.When you start watching what's really going on and not what hillerys media is telling you come back here and we can discuss the matter as 2 informed people.

Dude, I'm not sure if I want to discuss anything with you. Thanks all the same. 

[98valk]

Moonshot, I don't think the idea is they want to accept their culture. Their thinking is purely humanitarian in not seeing women and children slaughtered. Seems pretty honorable to me.

But bringing them here and denying them their culture (surely we can't accept such a cultural stance) would be extremely problematic. The problem is that we'd bring them here in a "wholesale" capacity. They are not coming over as individuals looking for Liberty, Freedom and the American way. They would come over as foreign national old school Islamic Culture folks.

I just see us setting them and ourselves up for great strife. Northern Africa is HUGE. Surely we can and continue work with strong regional countries to set up safe enclaves for more Refugees in their own cultural area. Plus the added security benefit of isolating the extreme radical elements of the culture as well.

Would you be alright with it if we only accepted Christians ? I think there was much the same talk 70-80 years ago. I wonder how many could have been saved ?

The Christian religion followers DO NOT kill people who refuse to believe. The Christian religion follower DO NOT state that their book tells them they can RAPE, have as SEX SLAVES any non-christian woman.
WAKE UP, TO WHAT THEY ARE ABOUT, BECAUSE UNLESS U CONVERT TO MUSLIM THEY WILL KILL U ALSO. THIS IS WHAT THEY ARE ABOUT AND WHAT THEIR CULT BOOKS TELLS THEM WHAT TO DO, CONQUER THE WORLD AND ALL WILL BE MUSLIM.
u need to accept reality.

[Moonshot_1]

Moonshot, I don't think the idea is they want to accept their culture. Their thinking is purely humanitarian in not seeing women and children slaughtered. Seems pretty honorable to me.

But bringing them here and denying them their culture (surely we can't accept such a cultural stance) would be extremely problematic. The problem is that we'd bring them here in a "wholesale" capacity. They are not coming over as individuals looking for Liberty, Freedom and the American way. They would come over as foreign national old school Islamic Culture folks.

I just see us setting them and ourselves up for great strife. Northern Africa is HUGE. Surely we can and continue work with strong regional countries to set up safe enclaves for more Refugees in their own cultural area. Plus the added security benefit of isolating the extreme radical elements of the culture as well.

Would you be alright with it if we only accepted Christians ? I think there was much the same talk 70-80 years ago. I wonder how many could have been saved ?

I would be alright with any culture that doesn't condone murder.
I would be alright with any culture that respected other religions.
I would be alright with any culture that respected women's rights.
Children's rights.
Political rights.
I would be alright with any culture that respected Western culture.
I would be alright with any culture that respects our rule of law.

You tell me. Does this represent the Middle Eastern Islamic Culture? And if not, why would we accept such a culture?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Moonshot, I don't think the idea is they want to accept their culture. Their thinking is purely humanitarian in not seeing women and children slaughtered. Seems pretty honorable to me.

But bringing them here and denying them their culture (surely we can't accept such a cultural stance) would be extremely problematic. The problem is that we'd bring them here in a "wholesale" capacity. They are not coming over as individuals looking for Liberty, Freedom and the American way. They would come over as foreign national old school Islamic Culture folks.

I just see us setting them and ourselves up for great strife. Northern Africa is HUGE. Surely we can and continue work with strong regional countries to set up safe enclaves for more Refugees in their own cultural area. Plus the added security benefit of isolating the extreme radical elements of the culture as well.

Would you be alright with it if we only accepted Christians ? I think there was much the same talk 70-80 years ago. I wonder how many could have been saved ?

I would be alright with any culture that doesn't condone murder.
I would be alright with any culture that respected other religions.
I would be alright with any culture that respected women's rights.
Children's rights.
Political rights.
I would be alright with any culture that respected Western culture.
I would be alright with any culture that respects our rule of law.

You tell me. Does this represent the Middle Eastern Islamic Culture? And if not, why would we accept such a culture?

I wouldn't accept anyone that did not accept and abide by our laws. I would accept women and children that we could save from rape, torture, and death.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Moonshot, I don't think the idea is they want to accept their culture. Their thinking is purely humanitarian in not seeing women and children slaughtered. Seems pretty honorable to me.

But bringing them here and denying them their culture (surely we can't accept such a cultural stance) would be extremely problematic. The problem is that we'd bring them here in a "wholesale" capacity. They are not coming over as individuals looking for Liberty, Freedom and the American way. They would come over as foreign national old school Islamic Culture folks.

I just see us setting them and ourselves up for great strife. Northern Africa is HUGE. Surely we can and continue work with strong regional countries to set up safe enclaves for more Refugees in their own cultural area. Plus the added security benefit of isolating the extreme radical elements of the culture as well.

Would you be alright with it if we only accepted Christians ? I think there was much the same talk 70-80 years ago. I wonder how many could have been saved ?

I would be alright with any culture that doesn't condone murder.
I would be alright with any culture that respected other religions.
I would be alright with any culture that respected women's rights.
Children's rights.
Political rights.
I would be alright with any culture that respected Western culture.
I would be alright with any culture that respects our rule of law.

You tell me. Does this represent the Middle Eastern Islamic Culture? And if not, why would we accept such a culture?

Exactly. We as Americans agree to "fight to the death" for the rights of even those we don't agree with. To bring people into our country who can never make that same agreement is national suicide.

[Moonshot_1]

[/quote]I wouldn't accept anyone that did not accept and abide by our laws. I would accept women and children that we could save from rape, torture, and death.
[/quote]

But these women and children are also of this Mid east Islamic culture and adamantly believe in it. They do not come here fleeing it. They are fleeing the conflict between their culture and the extremist version of it.

I would love to see these folks saved from rape, torture, and death. I simply cannot accept their culture and as long as they continue to embrace it, I can't support importing them here.

[3fan4life]

Moonshot, I don't think the idea is they want to accept their culture. Their thinking is purely humanitarian in not seeing women and children slaughtered. Seems pretty honorable to me.

But bringing them here and denying them their culture (surely we can't accept such a cultural stance) would be extremely problematic. The problem is that we'd bring them here in a "wholesale" capacity. They are not coming over as individuals looking for Liberty, Freedom and the American way. They would come over as foreign national old school Islamic Culture folks.

I just see us setting them and ourselves up for great strife. Northern Africa is HUGE. Surely we can and continue work with strong regional countries to set up safe enclaves for more Refugees in their own cultural area. Plus the added security benefit of isolating the extreme radical elements of the culture as well.

Would you be alright with it if we only accepted Christians ? I think there was much the same talk 70-80 years ago. I wonder how many could have been saved ?

I would be alright with any culture that doesn't condone murder.
I would be alright with any culture that respected other religions.
I would be alright with any culture that respected women's rights.
Children's rights.
Political rights.
I would be alright with any culture that respected Western culture.
I would be alright with any culture that respects our rule of law.

You tell me. Does this represent the Middle Eastern Islamic Culture? And if not, why would we accept such a culture?

I wouldn't accept anyone that did not accept and abide by our laws. I would accept women and children that we could save from rape, torture, and death.

Unfotunately, it is NOT that simple.

These are people that are so indoctrinated in their culture and their religion that they cannot be trusted.

Bringing them here is NOT the solution and that is GREATLY supported by the happenings in Europe.

A much better option is to set up SAFE ZONES and provide whatever humanitarian aid and support that is needed THERE.   

[Willow]

I wouldn't accept anyone that did not accept and abide by our laws. I would accept women and children that we could save from rape, torture, and death.

But these women and children are also of this Mid east Islamic culture and adamantly believe in it. They do not come here fleeing it. They are fleeing the conflict between their culture and the extremist version of it.

I would love to see these folks saved from rape, torture, and death. I simply cannot accept their culture and as long as they continue to embrace it, I can't support importing them here.

Part of the problem is that we have been indoctrinated by propaganda in the media.  The conflict in the Middle East is not between "radical" and "moderate" Muslims.  It is between adherents of differing factions of the same muslim culture.  Those muslims who are the current victims of atrocities would be doing the same to the other side if their faction was winning dominance.

Those that our culture calls radical are actually precisely following the dictates of their Koran.

[Gryphon Rider]

Scripture to inform Christians about their attitude towards the ungodly:

Romans 5:  6 For while we were still weak, at the right time Christ died for the ungodly. 7 For one will scarcely die for a righteous person—though perhaps for a good person one would dare even to die— 8 but God shows his love for us in that while we were still sinners, Christ died for us.

Luke 6:  27 “But I say to you who hear, Love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, 28 bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you. 29 To one who strikes you on the cheek, offer the other also, and from one who takes away your cloak do not withhold your tunic either. 30 Give to everyone who begs from you, and from one who takes away your goods do not demand them back. 31 And as you wish that others would do to you, do so to them.

Mark 16:15 And he said to them, “Go into all the world and proclaim the gospel to the whole creation.”

Revelation 7:  9 After this I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, from every nation, from all tribes and peoples and languages, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!”

[Rams]

I wouldn't accept anyone that did not accept and abide by our laws. I would accept women and children that we could save from rape, torture, and death.

I would invite every big hearted American that believes we should bring all these folks into our country to host a family or two into their homes and adopt or sponsor them.   Be my guest.     IOWs, go for it.  

But, by doing so, those adopting Americans should accept responsibility for the adoptees just as if they were getting a new born adopted child and all that goes along with that.  

[Gryphon Rider]

I wouldn't accept anyone that did not accept and abide by our laws. I would accept women and children that we could save from rape, torture, and death.

I would invite every big hearted American that believes we should bring all these folks into our country to host a family or two into their homes and adopt or sponsor them.   Be my guest.     IOWs, go for it.  

But, by doing so, those adopting Americans should accept responsibility for the adoptees just as if they were getting a new born adopted child and all that goes along with that.  

Some are doing it.  My church is doing it, although my personal involvement has thus far been minimal.  We have sponsored a family consisting of a father, a mother, two young girls, and a toddler boy.  We have rented and furnished a modest home, and our members see them regularly to visit with them and help them negotiate and transition into our society.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I wouldn't accept anyone that did not accept and abide by our laws. I would accept women and children that we could save from rape, torture, and death.

I would invite every big hearted American that believes we should bring all these folks into our country to host a family or two into their homes and adopt or sponsor them.   Be my guest.     IOWs, go for it.  

But, by doing so, those adopting Americans should accept responsibility for the adoptees just as if they were getting a new born adopted child and all that goes along with that.  

Some are doing it.  My church is doing it, although my personal involvement has thus far been minimal.  We have sponsored a family consisting of a father, a mother, two young girls, and a toddler boy.  We have rented and furnished a modest home, and our members see them regularly to visit with them and help them negotiate and transition into our society.

Now this is the kind of stuff that is heartening about organized religion. 

[Rams]

I wouldn't accept anyone that did not accept and abide by our laws. I would accept women and children that we could save from rape, torture, and death.

I would invite every big hearted American that believes we should bring all these folks into our country to host a family or two into their homes and adopt or sponsor them.   Be my guest.     IOWs, go for it.  

But, by doing so, those adopting Americans should accept responsibility for the adoptees just as if they were getting a new born adopted child and all that goes along with that.  

Some are doing it.  My church is doing it, although my personal involvement has thus far been minimal.  We have sponsored a family consisting of a father, a mother, two young girls, and a toddler boy.  We have rented and furnished a modest home, and our members see them regularly to visit with them and help them negotiate and transition into our society.

While admirable, not the same thing or relationship.

Who in your church is personally responsible for this family?   Is someone putting their own family at risk if the family is not properly vetted or, is the threat to the community at large?   

Those in favor typically think it's a good thing but, they have no personal involvement and are not risking anything except other's safety and other people's money.   IOW, another one of those NIMBY issues.   

[Rams]

Any Volunteers?   Hmmmm.............  

Pretty much the way it is across the country.   As long as they are settled somewhere else, bring them in without proper vetting.    My concern with both Obama and Clinton is, they say there is a vetting process but, no one will talk about it.   With the transparency (or lack there of) of the Obama administration   and a known and proven liar likely to succeed him.   My confidence in the system and the vetting process is low.     But, if you're happy with what you see, bring them on in and put them up at your place, make them part of the family.   But, don't push them on my community unless you live here and are willing to be held responsible for their actions and well being.

[Gavin_Sons]

I wouldn't accept anyone that did not accept and abide by our laws. I would accept women and children that we could save from rape, torture, and death.

I would invite every big hearted American that believes we should bring all these folks into our country to host a family or two into their homes and adopt or sponsor them.   Be my guest.     IOWs, go for it.  

But, by doing so, those adopting Americans should accept responsibility for the adoptees just as if they were getting a new born adopted child and all that goes along with that.  

Some are doing it.  My church is doing it, although my personal involvement has thus far been minimal.  We have sponsored a family consisting of a father, a mother, two young girls, and a toddler boy.  We have rented and furnished a modest home, and our members see them regularly to visit with them and help them negotiate and transition into our society.

I believe I'd find a new church or cut ties with organized religion all together.

[Gryphon Rider]

I wouldn't accept anyone that did not accept and abide by our laws. I would accept women and children that we could save from rape, torture, and death.

I would invite every big hearted American that believes we should bring all these folks into our country to host a family or two into their homes and adopt or sponsor them.   Be my guest.     IOWs, go for it.  

But, by doing so, those adopting Americans should accept responsibility for the adoptees just as if they were getting a new born adopted child and all that goes along with that.  

Some are doing it.  My church is doing it, although my personal involvement has thus far been minimal.  We have sponsored a family consisting of a father, a mother, two young girls, and a toddler boy.  We have rented and furnished a modest home, and our members see them regularly to visit with them and help them negotiate and transition into our society.

I believe I'd find a new church or cut ties with organized religion all together.

I'm guessing you already have cut ties with organized religion altogether?

[98valk]

I wouldn't accept anyone that did not accept and abide by our laws. I would accept women and children that we could save from rape, torture, and death.

I would invite every big hearted American that believes we should bring all these folks into our country to host a family or two into their homes and adopt or sponsor them.   Be my guest.     IOWs, go for it.  

But, by doing so, those adopting Americans should accept responsibility for the adoptees just as if they were getting a new born adopted child and all that goes along with that.  

Some are doing it.  My church is doing it, although my personal involvement has thus far been minimal.  We have sponsored a family consisting of a father, a mother, two young girls, and a toddler boy.  We have rented and furnished a modest home, and our members see them regularly to visit with them and help them negotiate and transition into our society.

providing a beachhead for them in your community. not smart. let me ask u this would your church do the same for a gang banger, drug king pin, who if anybody gets in his way will be killed.

"There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you.”

Exodus 12:49

the muslim whats THEIR LAWS and WANT YOU to ACCEPT THEIR LAWS while being in your land as a sojourner. The arrogance of them is straight from hell.

[Gavin_Sons]

I wouldn't accept anyone that did not accept and abide by our laws. I would accept women and children that we could save from rape, torture, and death.

I would invite every big hearted American that believes we should bring all these folks into our country to host a family or two into their homes and adopt or sponsor them.   Be my guest.     IOWs, go for it.  

But, by doing so, those adopting Americans should accept responsibility for the adoptees just as if they were getting a new born adopted child and all that goes along with that.  

Some are doing it.  My church is doing it, although my personal involvement has thus far been minimal.  We have sponsored a family consisting of a father, a mother, two young girls, and a toddler boy.  We have rented and furnished a modest home, and our members see them regularly to visit with them and help them negotiate and transition into our society.

I believe I'd find a new church or cut ties with organized religion all together.

I'm guessing you already have cut ties with organized religion altogether?

That would be a correct assumption. Attended a Lutheran church for all of my childhood and part of my adult life. Got to be too political so I got out. What put the final nail in the coffin is when they called me asking how much I planned on giving in the next year and when I told them they said "is that all". This all happened when my first son was born and Iin the NICU for 6 weeks.

[Gryphon Rider]

I wouldn't accept anyone that did not accept and abide by our laws. I would accept women and children that we could save from rape, torture, and death.

I would invite every big hearted American that believes we should bring all these folks into our country to host a family or two into their homes and adopt or sponsor them.   Be my guest.     IOWs, go for it.  

But, by doing so, those adopting Americans should accept responsibility for the adoptees just as if they were getting a new born adopted child and all that goes along with that.  

Some are doing it.  My church is doing it, although my personal involvement has thus far been minimal.  We have sponsored a family consisting of a father, a mother, two young girls, and a toddler boy.  We have rented and furnished a modest home, and our members see them regularly to visit with them and help them negotiate and transition into our society.

I believe I'd find a new church or cut ties with organized religion all together.

I'm guessing you already have cut ties with organized religion altogether?

That would be a correct assumption. Attended a Lutheran church for all of my childhood and part of my adult life. Got to be too political so I got out. What put the final nail in the coffin is when they called me asking how much I planned on giving in the next year and when I told them they said "is that all". This all happened when my first son was born and Iin the NICU for 6 weeks.

They sound a little too organized for their own good. Too bad it seems their only connection with you was with your wallet.

[DK]

Moonshot, I don't think the idea is they want to accept their culture. Their thinking is purely humanitarian in not seeing women and children slaughtered. Seems pretty honorable to me.

But bringing them here and denying them their culture (surely we can't accept such a cultural stance) would be extremely problematic. The problem is that we'd bring them here in a "wholesale" capacity. They are not coming over as individuals looking for Liberty, Freedom and the American way. They would come over as foreign national old school Islamic Culture folks.

I just see us setting them and ourselves up for great strife. Northern Africa is HUGE. Surely we can and continue work with strong regional countries to set up safe enclaves for more Refugees in their own cultural area. Plus the added security benefit of isolating the extreme radical elements of the culture as well.

Would you be alright with it if we only accepted Christians ? I think there was much the same talk 70-80 years ago. I wonder how many could have been saved ?

I would be alright with any culture that doesn't condone murder.
I would be alright with any culture that respected other religions.
I would be alright with any culture that respected women's rights.
Children's rights.
Political rights.
I would be alright with any culture that respected Western culture.
I would be alright with any culture that respects our rule of law.

You tell me. Does this represent the Middle Eastern Islamic Culture? And if not, why would we accept such a culture?

I wouldn't accept anyone that did not accept and abide by our laws. I would accept women and children that we could save from rape, torture, and death.

Unfotunately, it is NOT that simple.

These are people that are so indoctrinated in their culture and their religion that they cannot be trusted.

Bringing them here is NOT the solution and that is GREATLY supported by the happenings in Europe.

A much better option is to set up SAFE ZONES and provide whatever humanitarian aid and support that is needed THERE.   

Believe it or not, Safe Zones ( coupled with no fly zones ) is Hillary's proposal as emphatically stated in last night's debate.

True Americans are not content to stand idly by while mass slaughter is committed against women and children regardless of their religious or political pursuasions.

[Gryphon Rider]

I wouldn't accept anyone that did not accept and abide by our laws. I would accept women and children that we could save from rape, torture, and death.

I would invite every big hearted American that believes we should bring all these folks into our country to host a family or two into their homes and adopt or sponsor them.   Be my guest.     IOWs, go for it.  

But, by doing so, those adopting Americans should accept responsibility for the adoptees just as if they were getting a new born adopted child and all that goes along with that.  

Some are doing it.  My church is doing it, although my personal involvement has thus far been minimal.  We have sponsored a family consisting of a father, a mother, two young girls, and a toddler boy.  We have rented and furnished a modest home, and our members see them regularly to visit with them and help them negotiate and transition into our society.

providing a beachhead for them in your community. not smart. let me ask u this would your church do the same for a gang banger, drug king pin, who if anybody gets in his way will be killed.

"There shall be one law for the native and for the stranger who sojourns among you.”
Exodus 12:49

the muslim whats THEIR LAWS and WANT YOU to ACCEPT THEIR LAWS while being in your land as a sojourner. The arrogance of them is straight from hell.

You're extremely quick to tar all refugees from the ISIS war with the same brush, aren't you.  How many Moslems have you actually gotten to know?  I can tell you, I have actually survived many deep conversations with devoted Moslems, and never feared that my head was in danger of being separated from my shoulders.  How many opportunities to share the Gospel have you missed because when you saw middle-eastern garments, all you could see was a potential terrorist?  Do you think they are beyond God's ability to open their ears to the Gospel message?  What is your response to Christ's command to love your enemy?  If someone from outside the US were to watch the headlines of US news websites for a couple of weeks, and if they to assume all Americans are capable and likely to commit the same atrocities that some Americans commit against each other, they would call for Americans to be banned from travel to their country.  Aren't you glad not everyone keeps a bucket of tar handy?

[Rams]

Unfotunately, it is NOT that simple.

These are people that are so indoctrinated in their culture and their religion that they cannot be trusted.

Bringing them here is NOT the solution and that is GREATLY supported by the happenings in Europe.

A much better option is to set up SAFE ZONES and provide whatever humanitarian aid and support that is needed THERE.  

Not picking on you, just some thoughts.

I have to ask, where are these safe zones to be set up?   If I understood Hillary, they would be located in Syria.   If I'm wrong, please correct me.

But, let's consider that option.   A safe zone protected by who?  Are we going to pay another country to protect these folks, UN forces (what a joke) which will be manned by who?   She's already stated she won't put American ground troops back in, so who's going to do it.   Should we set up another Israel type situation?

A no fly zone?   Who's flying those aircraft?   I have to assume Hillary will use American assets unless we're gonna pay another country to do it.   I would guess the family in your or my home town who's son or daughter is a fighter pilot is more expendable than ground troops?   Having been both a ground pounder and an aviator, I understand the roles and know that as an aviator, my job was always in a support role to the guys on the ground.

The Russians won't like us trying to enforce that no fly zone over Syria and as far as I can determine, no war has been declared against Syria and it's still a sovereign nation.   Are we ready to get seriously involved with Russia?    I really don't see safe zones as much of a answer.    

If, safe zones are the answer, I respectfully suggest they find a relatively safe place to do it but, I doubt that's going to be easy to do.    Wait, Obama and Hillary want to bring them here (un-vetted for the most part).    Another problematic issue.

Most politicians just don't seem to understand military tactics or actions.   Most assuredly, neither one of these two candidates have any idea of how to win a battle, much less a war.

True Americans are not content to stand idly by while mass slaughter is committed against women and children regardless of their religious or political pursuasions.

True Americans?   May I assume you and your adult children be right there beside me or my son and daughter and all the other true Americans while we risk our lives?   I know many cheerleaders who have no skin in the game.   Of which group are you, a cheerleader or a player?

[Rams]

Hmmm, well I was hoping at least one of the smart guys would have some suggestion(s) or responses in reference to the "refugee" crisis we were discussing or an idea on where that "safe zone" would be located, who would protect the "refugees" and who was gonna pay for it.

NIMBY seems to be the answer.

[art]

Drop them in the middle of the Mojave desert  they should feel at home there

Hell NO! The Sahara desert,we don't want them messing up our desert.

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