Barbara Boxer to introduce bill to eliminate Electorial College

[Jersey mike]

"Sen. Barbara Boxer (D-Calif.) will introduce legislation on Tuesday to get rid of the Electoral College, after Hillary Clinton lost the presidential election despite leading in the popular vote."


""The Electoral College is an outdated, undemocratic system that does not reflect our modern society, and it needs to change immediately," she said."


http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/democrat-introducing-bill-to-abolish-electoral-college/ar-AAkkFUW?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartandhp

[Pete]

As with most of what BABA says or does, backwards and wrong.
And she has little if no chance of getting it passed.

Remove the illegal democratic votes and Trump won.

[Jess from VA]

Amending the Constitution takes more than a bill. 

It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
signifying nothing.  (WS)

[baldo]

As with most of what BABA says or does, backwards and wrong.
And she has little if no chance of getting it passed.

Remove the illegal democratic votes and Trump won.

Got a number? Where are they? That's always a popular refrain, but no one can seem to put a finger on them....

[TallRider]

Electoral collage is a mechanism put in the election process to prevent cheating and one class of people or political party to dominate the elections  very ingenious 

[baldo]

As with most of what BABA says or does, backwards and wrong.
And she has little if no chance of getting it passed.

Remove the illegal democratic votes and Trump won.

Got a number? Where are they? That's always a popular refrain, but no one can seem to put a finger on them....

From his lips to your deaf ears.

https://youtu.be/WCLO0WBvhF8

Nice try, but not so much.....it seems to be a frequent tactic...

http://hotair.com/archives/2016/11/07/video-obama-encouraging-illegal-immigrants-vote/

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/11/13/1595533/-This-is-how-the-right-wing-media-spread-a-lie-about-Obama-and-brown-people-to-get-out-their-vote

http://www.snopes.com/obama-encouraged-illegal-aliens-to-vote/

[baldo]

This president spoke the words encouraging illegal (undocumented) immigrants to vote but it seems like you are denying that he spoke the words???

Wow! How delusional does one have to be to deny that he spoke them in the video link I posted.

Oh, you mean the doctored video link you posted? That one? Read the transcript. 

[..]

Electoral collage is a mechanism put in the election process to prevent cheating and one class of people or political party to dominate the elections  very ingenious 

Cheetin?
Cheetin!
We downe need no steenkin mechanism to stop us cheetin!

[Pete]

As with most of what BABA says or does, backwards and wrong.
And she has little if no chance of getting it passed.

Remove the illegal democratic votes and Trump won.

Got a number? Where are they? That's always a popular refrain, but no one can seem to put a finger on them....

It is there, do your own research, I will not do it for you so you can say you do not believe it.
Oops, forgot you do not want to confused with the facts.
Keep asking questions I can keep not answering them.

[signart]

Trump won "bigly" 306 to 232. Not even close.

[baldo]

As with most of what BABA says or does, backwards and wrong.
And she has little if no chance of getting it passed.

Remove the illegal democratic votes and Trump won.

Got a number? Where are they? That's always a popular refrain, but no one can seem to put a finger on them....

It is there, do your own research, I will not do it for you so you can say you do not believe it.
Oops, forgot you do not want to confused with the facts.
Keep asking questions I can keep not answering them.

Oh, I get it...you keep making your un-provable statements and when called on it, just say they're there, on that mystical island.

And I LOVE facts... C'mon, give me some facts..Ok, just one.....

[98valk]

Five Game Baseball series
             Team A       Team B

game 1,  10 runs       5 runs
game 2,   5 runs        6 runs
game 3,   4 runs        3 runs
game 4,   6 runs        7 runs
game 5,   2 runs        3 runs
             27 total      24 total

Does Team A win because they scored more runs in the 5 game series?
With no Electorial College Team A wins the series.

[Moonshot_1]

My view, as it relates to the so called "popular vote" is that if we recount Illinios, and just Illinios, Trump likely gets the "popular vote" as well.

We are looking at a difference of less than .5% of the total vote. That is within the margin of the margin of the margin of error.

Article to the history of Politically active dead.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opinion/editorials/ct-dead-vote-colorado-chicago-edit-0927-md-20160926-story.html

[Alpha Dog]

The Boxer legislation stands as much a chance as a snowball does in hell.

2/3 approval by both houses then must pass 38 state congresses.  Who in the fly over states that are all Republican and all red would even consider such a bill?

[Pappy!]

Ah yes....Barbara Boxer. Same Barbara Boxer that just got voted out of office. Yep, snowball's chance in Hell.
Maybe she will lead the charge for California to secede as well, as a parting gift to the rest of the country.

[Alpha Dog]

Ah yes....Barbara Boxer. Same Barbara Boxer that just got voted out of office. Yep, snowball's chance in Hell.
Maybe she will lead the charge for California to secede as well, as a parting gift to the rest of the country.

Now that is something I would wish her well in trying to accomplish.  Maybe we could call it the Boxer Rebellion.

[John Schmidt]

Basing an election on the popular vote will never work legally unless all voters are required to be identified with a picture ID. That would make electoral college dissenters scream to bring it back.

[Pete]

As with most of what BABA says or does, backwards and wrong.
And she has little if no chance of getting it passed.

Remove the illegal democratic votes and Trump won.

Got a number? Where are they? That's always a popular refrain, but no one can seem to put a finger on them....

It is there, do your own research, I will not do it for you so you can say you do not believe it.
Oops, forgot you do not want to confused with the facts.
Keep asking questions I can keep not answering them.

Oh, I get it...you keep making your un-provable statements and when called on it, just say they're there, on that mystical island.

And I LOVE facts... C'mon, give me some facts..Ok, just one.....

Nope not gonna do it. I told you where to find it and it is there, do you own search.
I actually have zero interest in proving anything to you on any level.

And I do not care whether you believe it or not, the fact is Trump won the electoral college and the legal popular vote. Yeah said it again, you want proof look it up.

The fact is you cannot handle it, it is your problem not mine, deal with it.

Do you really think that the democratic vote stealers only managed to steal less than 500,000 votes. I personally have more faith in the democratic vote stealing than that and so do you. Think about it.

[baldo]

As with most of what BABA says or does, backwards and wrong.
And she has little if no chance of getting it passed.

Remove the illegal democratic votes and Trump won.

Got a number? Where are they? That's always a popular refrain, but no one can seem to put a finger on them....

It is there, do your own research, I will not do it for you so you can say you do not believe it.
Oops, forgot you do not want to confused with the facts.
Keep asking questions I can keep not answering them.

Oh, I get it...you keep making your un-provable statements and when called on it, just say they're there, on that mystical island.

And I LOVE facts... C'mon, give me some facts..Ok, just one.....

Nope not gonna do it. I told you where to find it and it is there, do you own search.
I actually have zero interest in proving anything to you on any level.

And I do not care whether you believe it or not, the fact is Trump won the electoral college and the legal popular vote. Yeah said it again, you want proof look it up.

The fact is you cannot handle it, it is your problem not mine, deal with it.

I missed the part where you told me where it is......

And he hasn't won the popular vote.....http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/15/trump-grows-bitter-popular-vote-loss-clinton-lead-surpasses-1-million.html ...this was as of one hour ago...

[scooperhsd]

Senator Boxer's staff attorney SHOULD set her straight on the Constitution before she even files the bill.

[Pappy!]

Baldo....He legally won the election, get over it!
Buck up, Buttercup! For you, it's gonna' be a bumpy ride!

[fudgie]

Basing an election on the popular vote will never work legally unless all voters are required to be identified with a picture ID. That would make electoral college dissenters scream to bring it back.

Ind requires ID. The State was red except for Indy, near Chitcago, and another county.

[scooperhsd]

If it meant losing the Electoral College - I could be convinced that uniform nationwide voter id is a good thing. How does anybody go without valid ID these days anyway - most places want ID for cashing checks.

[Mobile Mayor]

F-you Baba, we know what your are, and what you stand for.  You are one of the mob who must be guarded against.

[Pete]

As with most of what BABA says or does, backwards and wrong.
And she has little if no chance of getting it passed.

Remove the illegal democratic votes and Trump won.

Got a number? Where are they? That's always a popular refrain, but no one can seem to put a finger on them....

It is there, do your own research, I will not do it for you so you can say you do not believe it.
Oops, forgot you do not want to confused with the facts.
Keep asking questions I can keep not answering them.

Oh, I get it...you keep making your un-provable statements and when called on it, just say they're there, on that mystical island.

And I LOVE facts... C'mon, give me some facts..Ok, just one.....

Nope not gonna do it. I told you where to find it and it is there, do you own search.
I actually have zero interest in proving anything to you on any level.

And I do not care whether you believe it or not, the fact is Trump won the electoral college and the legal popular vote. Yeah said it again, you want proof look it up.

The fact is you cannot handle it, it is your problem not mine, deal with it.

I missed the part where you told me where it is......

And he hasn't won the popular vote.....http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/15/trump-grows-bitter-popular-vote-loss-clinton-lead-surpasses-1-million.html ...this was as of one hour ago...

Your just being obstinate and obtuse.
I told you I would not do your research. I meant it.
I said legal popular vote, you said popular vote, not the same number. And you know that.

You know I am right, you know that the democratic machine participates in illegal votes and has for years. It is no secret and you know it.

I say it amounts to more than 500,000 votes, apparently you think it is less than 500,000 votes.

I stand by my statement. And you have no proof that I am wrong, you just do not like it.
And you are afraid to do the research in case I am proven right.

That is OK time will answer the question for you and you will not like or accept it then either.

Last time I do not care, nor do I deny reality, nor am I logic impaired, have fun.

If this ruins you day, tough break, reality will do that.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Ah yes....Barbara Boxer. Same Barbara Boxer that just got voted out of office. Yep, snowball's chance in Hell.
Maybe she will lead the charge for California to secede as well, as a parting gift to the rest of the country.

She wasn't running. So that would be pretty hard to get voted out. She announced last year she was retiring. 

[Pete]

Ah yes....Barbara Boxer. Same Barbara Boxer that just got voted out of office. Yep, snowball's chance in Hell.
Maybe she will lead the charge for California to secede as well, as a parting gift to the rest of the country.

She wasn't running. So that would be pretty hard to get voted out. She announced last year she was retiring. 

Correct, as I remember the discussion around her retirement, it had something to do with her chances of losing. Not sure if that was serious or a joke - search the web to find out.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Ah yes....Barbara Boxer. Same Barbara Boxer that just got voted out of office. Yep, snowball's chance in Hell.
Maybe she will lead the charge for California to secede as well, as a parting gift to the rest of the country.

She wasn't running. So that would be pretty hard to get voted out. She announced last year she was retiring. 

Correct, as I remember the discussion around her retirement, it had something to do with her chances of losing. Not sure if that was serious or a joke - search the web to find out.

She always won big. I doubt she would have had any problem this year either. Sometimes people are just ready to retire. Unlike our Senator here McCain.

[Willow]

It makes sense that a Senator from California would desire to go to an election process driven entirely by the popular vote.  California has the largest population and this the most votes of any state in the union.

The whole point of the electoral college is to give an equal voice of two votes for every state.  This obviously does not eliminate but does moderate the advantage in the election of states with large populations.  It has nothing to do with voter IDs or overcoming voter fraud.

It will never come to vote for a Constitutional amendment.  Fortunately in the Senate each state has equal voting power.  There are more states (although fewer people) who gain from the electoral college than states that are limited by the electoral college.

It's mostly a symbolic act on her way out to express how she would prefer the vote be entirely controlled by California, Texas, New York  and Florida.     

[Wizzard]

Baba is just an attention whore

[G-Man]

If the election went the other way, do you think all these crybabies demanding the abolition of the e-college would be doing so?

Of course NOT.  In fact, they'd be defending it.

This is also just another ploy by the left to divide us further.  They've divided up by race, sex, religion, and now they want to divide up by how we choose to live our lives.  They are belittling the entire middle and bottom of our country, saying that the hundred million or so of our countrymen should have no say because they are rednecks, bible thumpers, etc.  There's a word for people who do that.......... BIGOT. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

From the posts in the last few months it appears there are more conservatives in favor of doing away with the Electoral College than liberals. At least here in the VRCC.

[baldo]

As with most of what BABA says or does, backwards and wrong.
And she has little if no chance of getting it passed.

Remove the illegal democratic votes and Trump won.

Got a number? Where are they? That's always a popular refrain, but no one can seem to put a finger on them....

It is there, do your own research, I will not do it for you so you can say you do not believe it.
Oops, forgot you do not want to confused with the facts.
Keep asking questions I can keep not answering them.

Oh, I get it...you keep making your un-provable statements and when called on it, just say they're there, on that mystical island.

And I LOVE facts... C'mon, give me some facts..Ok, just one.....

Nope not gonna do it. I told you where to find it and it is there, do you own search.
I actually have zero interest in proving anything to you on any level.

And I do not care whether you believe it or not, the fact is Trump won the electoral college and the legal popular vote. Yeah said it again, you want proof look it up.

The fact is you cannot handle it, it is your problem not mine, deal with it.

I missed the part where you told me where it is......

And he hasn't won the popular vote.....http://www.politicususa.com/2016/11/15/trump-grows-bitter-popular-vote-loss-clinton-lead-surpasses-1-million.html ...this was as of one hour ago...

Your just being obstinate and obtuse.
I told you I would not do your research. I meant it.
I said legal popular vote, you said popular vote, not the same number. And you know that.

You know I am right, you know that the democratic machine participates in illegal votes and has for years. It is no secret and you know it.

I say it amounts to more than 500,000 votes, apparently you think it is less than 500,000 votes.

I stand by my statement. And you have no proof that I am wrong, you just do not like it.
And you are afraid to do the research in case I am proven right.

That is OK time will answer the question for you and you will not like or accept it then either.

Last time I do not care, nor do I deny reality, nor am I logic impaired, have fun.

If this ruins you day, tough break, reality will do that.

Pete,

A couple of points.

-- First, "I stand by my statement. And you have no proof that I am wrong,"...lol....do you have proof that you're right? You guys do this all the time. Make any statement that you want, then say prove that I'm wrong. There's this saying...'throw the crap against the wall and see what sticks'....

-- "I say it amounts to more than 500,000 votes"...where did this number come from? Do you have inside information that you could share with election officials? That would put this whole thing to rest, wouldn't it?

-- You imply that voter fraud is rampant, producing all these 100,000's of votes. It seems that I've read articles that show it's Republicans that are being charged with voter fraud...

-- Let's talk voter fraud on a wider scale....http://fortune.com/2016/11/05/trump-rnc-voter-fraud/ ...I haven't seen anything like this from the left. Have you?

-- More... http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/22/us/how-charges-of-voter-fraud-became-a-political-strategy.html

-- https://theintercept.com/2016/10/19/donald-trumps-voter-fraud-lies-are-part-of-the-gops-dna/

-- And lastly, you're right. Time will tell. If it turns out that you're correct, I'll give credit where credit is due. If it goes the other way, will you do the same?

-- And it doesn't ruin my day. Far from it.

[baldo]

Remove the illegal democratic votes and Trump won.

But leave the illegal Republicans?

That hardly seems fair.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Remove the illegal democratic votes and Trump won.

But leave the illegal Republicans?

That hardly seems fair.

Fairness is highly overrated. 

[Wizzard]

Remove the illegal democratic votes and Trump won.

But leave the illegal Republicans?

That hardly seems fair.

I did not know there were any?  prove it! 

[baldo]

Remove the illegal democratic votes and Trump won.

But leave the illegal Republicans?

That hardly seems fair.

I did not know there were any?  prove it! 

I guess you didn't notice my tongue was in my cheek....

But anyway, here you go..... now I haven't witnessed anyone committing voter fraud personally, from either party. As is the case with anyone commenting here.

But here's a few links that you may find interesting... https://www.google.com/search?q=rogues+gallery&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=republican+voter+fraud+cases

And yes, you can pull up the same list for Democrats.

Voter fraud and election tampering has always existed, always will. However, not in the numbers that can swing an election, as much as you'd like it to be. Now that I've thrown that against the wall, whaddaya think?

Personally, I'm amazed that there doesn't seem to be more concern about the alleged Russian involvement in this election. That should be right in your wheelhouse....

And spare me the deflection/distraction talk. I'll be happy to start another thread on that little nugget if you'd like.

[Moonshot_1]

Haven't seen anything like that from the Left?????
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/viewSubCategory.asp?id=2216

Each account is sourced at the end.
Documents years upon years of Democrat corruption.

And for the record, I don't stand for Republican corruption either.
But I don't see the institutional level of corruption with the GOP as opposed to the DNC.

Hell, with the DNC they've taken corruption to an industrial level.

[Wizzard]

Remove the illegal democratic votes and Trump won.

But leave the illegal Republicans?

That hardly seems fair.

I did not know there were any?  prove it! 

I guess you didn't notice my tongue was in my cheek....

But anyway, here you go..... now I haven't witnessed anyone committing voter fraud personally, from either party. As is the case with anyone commenting here.

But here's a few links that you may find interesting... https://www.google.com/search?q=rogues+gallery&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8#q=republican+voter+fraud+cases

And yes, you can pull up the same list for Democrats.

Voter fraud and election tampering has always existed, always will. However, not in the numbers that can swing an election, as much as you'd like it to be. Now that I've thrown that against the wall, whaddaya think?

Personally, I'm amazed that there doesn't seem to be more concern about the alleged Russian involvement in this election. That should be right in your wheelhouse....

And spare me the deflection/distraction talk. I'll be happy to start another thread on that little nugget if you'd like.

I guess you did not notice my tongue in my cheek either. 

[Moonshot_1]

Voter fraud and election tampering has always existed, always will. However, not in the numbers that can swing an election, as much as you'd like it to be. Now that I've thrown that against the wall, whaddaya think?

Well, ok then. So if the fraud and tampering won't swing an election, why do it at all?
You don't rob banks that don't have money.

The basic logic here would suggest that the fact election fraud and tampering has always existed and continues suggests that it can swing and has swung elections.

My position on this is to side with the integrity of the process itself, not one party or another.

As to the Russian influence on the election, the tens of millions funneled to the Clinton Foundation by Russia and various partners is only alleged. I'm surprised you would hold Mrs. Clinton to such a standard.