RECOUNT!

[Moonshot_1]

So Jill Stein is going to challenge the vote count in Wisconsin.
Gawd, I was hoping someone would do that.
This is pretty complex though.
The current issue is summed up below. An excerpt from a Fox News story.

From Fox News “…. a group of well-known computer experts and election attorneys, including John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, with the University of Michigan, warned the Clinton campaign that she received fewer votes than anticipated in counties that use electronic voting machines.

Therefore, the experts believe that the best way to definitively determine that there was no vote manipulation or hacking of the voting machines would be to undertake a recount in the three states in question.
They contacted Clinton's team, including her campaign chief John Podesta, with their recommendation in a telephone conference call last week.
However, so far the former first lady's campaign has given no sign that it is contemplating asking for a vote recount, and it has not made any statement to that effect.”

This is wonderful. I have little doubt about the findings of Bonifaz and Halderman. But their conclusions are bunk.
Remember, there is no evidence of hacking. Even by their own admission. The issue is that the manually counted vote percentages didn’t jive with the electronic ones. Their conclusion is that since the electronic ones favored Trump, and Trump won the election, the electronic machines must have been compromised and hacked by Trump’s campaign or his surrogates.

But there is another much more logical conclusion. The manually counted ballots were compromised. By the Democrats. Either Trump ballots destroyed, or simply not counted, or fraudulent Clinton ballots by the hundreds and likely all of the above. The result would have the same impact on the percentages that are being touted. Is there direct evidence of this? Not yet, but there is compelling indirect evidence as there are videos with DNC operatives describing how to commit voter fraud and other corrupt practices.
Basically, the Democrats cheated big time and the Trump campaign beat them anyway.

Hillary conceded very quickly election night. The votes in some of the key states were close. Real close. Close enough for recounts and challenges. I believe the reason that she didn’t challenge anything is because she knew she couldn’t as a closely watched recount would reveal the depth of corruption and fraud.

I don’t mind a recount if Stein is paying for it. Not at all. Never shy away from proving the integrity of our Electoral system.
Trump doesn’t want one but I believe he will not stand in the way. He won and is confident in the win.

I will predict that the DNC and the Clinton campaign will shortly lose their minds and shoot this down somehow. A simple restraining order. Demanding that Stein show some kind of standing here. (She really doesn’t have any. But she has the cash.) Push it all past the deadlines. Or try to limit the scope of the recount. Because they can’t just look at the electronic counting machines. The recount has to be the entire vote. Votes must be re-verified. Voter eligibility must be re-verified. All of them. And what the Wisconsin election officials will find with the ballots manually counted will amaze them. And the rest of the country.
And the thought of this, and the thought of this being done in the bright light of very public scrutiny, is making a number of very high level Democrats crap their pants. Could be talking high crimes and misdemeanors stuff here.

Go get'em Jill.

And in the event there is hacking involved? Then the integrity of the system will be strengthened by its discovery. That is the prize.

Win / Win as far as I'm concerned.

[Rams]

Go get'em Jill.

And in the event there is hacking involved? Then the integrity of the system will be strengthened by its discovery. That is the prize.

Win / Win as far as I'm concerned.

I whole heartedly agree and will accept the results regardless of where the chips fall.   I have a gut feeling many things will come into the lime light.   May not make everyone happy.
Bring it!

Hopefully, if there was fraudulent voting, someone goes to jail.

[Oss]

in poker if you lay down the hand you lost

a white flag means surrender

In wrestling if you tap out you lost

in elections if you concede you lost

This gal is full of that stuff that comes out the business end of a bovine animal

I say to her  Accept what both candidates and the president have declared and shut the sam hill up about recounts

[old2soon]

in poker if you lay down the hand you lost

a white flag means surrender

In wrestling if you tap out you lost

in elections if you concede you lost

This gal is full of that stuff that comes out the business end of a bovine animal

I say to her  Accept what both candidates and the president have declared and shut the sam hill up about recounts

             I just KNOW you have heard the term-flogging a dead horse. I also KNOW "they" just can NOT let it be. As we have seen in other elections-the popular vote and the electoral vote ARE two different animals. BUT on the other hand til I witness on the tube Donald Trump Actually taking the Oath of POTUS I would NOT trust the current administration even if they were several trillion light years away. RIDE SAFE.

[Robert]

Oss and O2S got it right lets not stir the feces of a corrupt person just to have that in our noses again. I hope it gets the acknowledgement it deserves, none.

[The emperor has no clothes]

in poker if you lay down the hand you lost

a white flag means surrender

In wrestling if you tap out you lost

in elections if you concede you lost

This gal is full of that stuff that comes out the business end of a bovine animal

I say to her  Accept what both candidates and the president have declared and shut the sam hill up about recounts

             I just KNOW you have heard the term-flogging a dead horse. I also KNOW "they" just can NOT let it be. As we have seen in other elections-the popular vote and the electoral vote ARE two different animals. BUT on the other hand til I witness on the tube Donald Trump Actually taking the Oath of POTUS I would NOT trust the current administration even if they were several trillion light years away. RIDE SAFE.

The current administration is not in favor of this recall effort. They have been behind the legitimacy of our election system from the beginning.

[Rams]

in poker if you lay down the hand you lost

a white flag means surrender

In wrestling if you tap out you lost

in elections if you concede you lost

This gal is full of that stuff that comes out the business end of a bovine animal

I say to her  Accept what both candidates and the president have declared and shut the sam hill up about recounts

             I just KNOW you have heard the term-flogging a dead horse. I also KNOW "they" just can NOT let it be. As we have seen in other elections-the popular vote and the electoral vote ARE two different animals. BUT on the other hand til I witness on the tube Donald Trump Actually taking the Oath of POTUS I would NOT trust the current administration even if they were several trillion light years away. RIDE SAFE.

The current administration is not in favor of this recall effort. They have been behind the legitimacy of our election system from the beginning.

Let me remind you of what Hillary said about having private and public positions.   Admittedly, these words were never spoken in public by Obama but the current administration has not earned the trust of most Americans as can by shown by it's passing legacy.    Most folks seem to believe that Hillary was simply Obama II.    Unless the current DOJ were to support the current electoral results, we really have no idea what Obama is thinking.

[Alpha Dog]

So Jill Stein is going to challenge the vote count in Wisconsin.
Gawd, I was hoping someone would do that.
This is pretty complex though.
The current issue is summed up below. An excerpt from a Fox News story.

From Fox News “…. a group of well-known computer experts and election attorneys, including John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, with the University of Michigan, warned the Clinton campaign that she received fewer votes than anticipated in counties that use electronic voting machines.

Therefore, the experts believe that the best way to definitively determine that there was no vote manipulation or hacking of the voting machines would be to undertake a recount in the three states in question.
They contacted Clinton's team, including her campaign chief John Podesta, with their recommendation in a telephone conference call last week.
However, so far the former first lady's campaign has given no sign that it is contemplating asking for a vote recount, and it has not made any statement to that effect.”

This is wonderful. I have little doubt about the findings of Bonifaz and Halderman. But their conclusions are bunk.
Remember, there is no evidence of hacking. Even by their own admission. The issue is that the manually counted vote percentages didn’t jive with the electronic ones. Their conclusion is that since the electronic ones favored Trump, and Trump won the election, the electronic machines must have been compromised and hacked by Trump’s campaign or his surrogates.

But there is another much more logical conclusion. The manually counted ballots were compromised. By the Democrats. Either Trump ballots destroyed, or simply not counted, or fraudulent Clinton ballots by the hundreds and likely all of the above. The result would have the same impact on the percentages that are being touted. Is there direct evidence of this? Not yet, but there is compelling indirect evidence as there are videos with DNC operatives describing how to commit voter fraud and other corrupt practices.
Basically, the Democrats cheated big time and the Trump campaign beat them anyway.

Hillary conceded very quickly election night. The votes in some of the key states were close. Real close. Close enough for recounts and challenges. I believe the reason that she didn’t challenge anything is because she knew she couldn’t as a closely watched recount would reveal the depth of corruption and fraud.

I don’t mind a recount if Stein is paying for it. Not at all. Never shy away from proving the integrity of our Electoral system.
Trump doesn’t want one but I believe he will not stand in the way. He won and is confident in the win.

I will predict that the DNC and the Clinton campaign will shortly lose their minds and shoot this down somehow. A simple restraining order. Demanding that Stein show some kind of standing here. (She really doesn’t have any. But she has the cash.) Push it all past the deadlines. Or try to limit the scope of the recount. Because they can’t just look at the electronic counting machines. The recount has to be the entire vote. Votes must be re-verified. Voter eligibility must be re-verified. All of them. And what the Wisconsin election officials will find with the ballots manually counted will amaze them. And the rest of the country.
And the thought of this, and the thought of this being done in the bright light of very public scrutiny, is making a number of very high level Democrats crap their pants. Could be talking high crimes and misdemeanors stuff here.

Go get'em Jill.

And in the event there is hacking involved? Then the integrity of the system will be strengthened by its discovery. That is the prize.

Win / Win as far as I'm concerned.

Very interesting take Moonshot. That really had not crossed my mind.  I see the shrill carnival barker Warren is out calling for an investigation of the Trump transition team also.  Good luck with that!

[Pete]

in poker if you lay down the hand you lost

a white flag means surrender

In wrestling if you tap out you lost

in elections if you concede you lost

This gal is full of that stuff that comes out the business end of a bovine animal

I say to her  Accept what both candidates and the president have declared and shut the sam hill up about recounts

            I just KNOW you have heard the term-flogging a dead horse. I also KNOW "they" just can NOT let it be. As we have seen in other elections-the popular vote and the electoral vote ARE two different animals. BUT on the other hand til I witness on the tube Donald Trump Actually taking the Oath of POTUS I would NOT trust the current administration even if they were several trillion light years away. RIDE SAFE.

The current administration is not in favor of this recall effort. They have been behind the legitimacy of our election system from the beginning.

Until we see who the money is behind the challenge we do not know who supports what and who does not support what. Does anyone know where she got the money so quickly? I do not, but would like to know.

[Alpha Dog]

Until we see who the money is behind the challenge we do not know who supports what and who does not support what. Does anyone know where she got the money so quickly? I do not, but would like to know.
[/quote]

Always a wise move Pete.  I do know it is more money than she raised in her campaign.

[Pappy!]

Exactly! Jill Stein, who could not even muster the money to run a successful campaign, all of a sudden has the money needed for a recount? Follow the money trail for sure.

[old2soon]

Exactly! Jill Stein, who could not even muster the money to run a successful campaign, all of a sudden has the money needed for a recount? Follow the money trail for sure.

           Wild azz GUESS here BUT soros will more likely than not figure In SOMEWHERE.    Again-JUST a Guess! RIDE SAFE.

[Willow]

...
in elections if you concede you lost
...

LOL!  We have short memories.  Don't we remember Al Gore waking up in the morning and rescinding his concession? 

[..]

Exactly! Jill Stein, who could not even muster the money to run a successful campaign, all of a sudden has the money needed for a recount? Follow the money trail for sure.

She did it though a gofundme appeal.

http://www.philly.com/philly/news/20161125_Jill_Stein_raised_nearly__4_million_for_election_recount__including_Pa_.html

[signart]

No recount in N.H. where the closest contest was held in the election. Trump lost by .4%.

[Gavin_Sons]

There should be a rule that after you give your losing speech you accept the results and can not call for any recounts.

[Varmintmist]

What I love is the basis for the allegation. It is typical Dem through and through.

From Fox News “…. a group of well-known computer experts and election attorneys, including John Bonifaz and J. Alex Halderman, with the University of Michigan, warned the Clinton campaign that she received fewer votes than anticipated in counties that use electronic voting machines.

Therefore, the experts believe that the best way to definitively determine that there was no vote manipulation or hacking of the voting machines would be to undertake a recount in the three states in question.

The Dem gets less votes in the counties that the Dems put voting machines in that the Dems told us were just the safest and best thing,,,,, then the votes get counted, the Dem gets less, so someone must be cheating.

When we got Rendell for Gov in PA, some voting machines in Philphy had 1200 votes for the Dem before the polls opened. .... Nothing to see here, move along, move along

[Crackerborn]

Why Wisconsin instead of MI or PA? Could it be because a federal judge in a liberal enclave recently decided that district redrawing is gerrymandering (in spite of SCOTUS rulings otherwise)? Do the MI and outstate experts realize there is NO electronic voting in WI? Or that the counting machines are not linked to the internet and the individual polling results are phoned in? Could there be human error? Sure, but hardly enough to change the results. My guess is there are fewer dead folks voting Republican or Democrat in WI than in some other states since the photo ID requirement to vote was enacted. Plus it may be difficult for a dead person to stand in line and fill out the ballot form (in paper), then feed it into a counting machine. The early dead voters may have an easier time since their ballot form is fed into the counting machine by poll workers on polling day. So for every vote cast in WI, there is a corresponding mark on a paper ballot that must be hand counted now rather than using an electronic counting machine.

[Serk]

And an interesting observation from Dennis Miller:

"If Hillary (re Pennsylvania) has decided 70,000 votes is the threshold to ask for a recount in states she lost, on Monday President Trump should demand a recount in all the states he lost by 70,000 votes or less. 1) Delaware (50k) 2) Maine (20k) 3) Minnesota (44k) 4) Nevada (25k) 5) New Hampshire (3k) 6) New Mexico (55k) 7) Rhode Island (70k) #hillaryislestat"

[old2soon]

And an interesting observation from Dennis Miller:

"If Hillary (re Pennsylvania) has decided 70,000 votes is the threshold to ask for a recount in states she lost, on Monday President Trump should demand a recount in all the states he lost by 70,000 votes or less. 1) Delaware (50k) 2) Maine (20k) 3) Minnesota (44k) 4) Nevada (25k) 5) New Hampshire (3k) 6) New Mexico (55k) 7) Rhode Island (70k) #hillaryislestat"

                Oh Come ON-you and I both KNOW the rules don't apply to the beast!  RIDE SAFE.

[Moonshot_1]

Everyone know it was the Russians. Putin himself voted 24,000 times for Trump in Wisconsin. Beamed the votes directly to the voting machines. Stalin himself came back from the dead to vote for Trump in Chicago! 24 times!

[baldo]

I find it amusing that everyone is all uptight about this recount business, when prior to the election when the uncertain outcome was very different,you were all for it.

[Moonshot_1]

I find it amusing that everyone is all uptight about this recount business, when prior to the election when the uncertain outcome was very different,you were all for it.

Am all for it. Never against testing the integrity of the process. But I want all the votes counted again. Not   just some precincts, not just certain kinds of machines. I want all the votes verified and ensure that all the voters are re-verified as well. All

The data set that prompted this was that the electronically counted ballots favored Trump while the manually counted ballots favored Clinton. This was interpreted by some to show that, because Trump won, that the electronic machines were compromised. Even though no evidence of such hacking or evidence that any of these things were compromised.

But you can get to the same data set if the Clinton campaign and the Democrats stuffed the ballot boxes that were counted manually.

With Wisconsin being considered a general Democrat stronghold, the latter narrative is far easier to accomplish. And it doesn't take people versed in Computer programing to do it. Just people corrupt enough to stuff paper ballots in a box.

So yeah, recount it ALL.

[Rams]

I find it amusing that everyone is all uptight about this recount business, when prior to the election when the uncertain outcome was very different,you were all for it.

Bob,
I don't see commenting the same as being upset but, ok.

As I previously said, bring it on and if there's voter fraud, then put someone in jail.  
Reference Stein, my bet is that one way or another this is being driven in some way by the Clintons and/or Obama.    Go Fund Me is a convenient way but as others have said, follow the money.

[baldo]

I find it amusing that everyone is all uptight about this recount business, when prior to the election when the uncertain outcome was very different,you were all for it.

Bob,
I don't see commenting the same as being upset but, ok.

As I previously said, bring it on and if there's voter fraud, then put someone in jail.  
Reference Stein, my bet is that one way or another this is being driven in some way by the Clintons and/or Obama.    Go Fund Me is a convenient way but as others have said, follow the money.

Correct, as I've said many times in the past, commenting is not necessarily the same as being upset. Although there usually is some intersect...

[Pete]

Based on past experiences, I would bet that monkey business is afoot.

Based on past experiences, someone will find a vast treasure trove of Hillary votes that were not counted.

Based on past experiences, they were not counted because they did not exist on voting day.

Based on past experiences, they will be accepted as valid without true validation.

The fact that the election results were certified will be pushed aside.

And the lawsuits will begin and comments of stolen election will begin and the MSM will have a field day.

No one will investigate any polling places where Hillary won because they might actually find voting issues there.

Someone in the Green Party will in all probability be wealthy after this. Gee what a surprise.

It is not just that the democratic party are liars, thieves and crooks, it is that they are such predictable liars, thieves and crooks.

I hope to live long enough to see all the current political parties in jail for their crimes against the voters.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Based on past experiences, I would bet that monkey business is afoot.

Based on past experiences, someone will find a vast treasure trove of Hillary votes that were not counted.

Based on past experiences, they were not counted because they did not exist on voting day.

Based on past experiences, they will be accepted as valid without true validation.

The fact that the election results were certified will be pushed aside.

And the lawsuits will begin and comments of stolen election will begin and the MSM will have a field day.

No one will investigate any polling places where Hillary won because they might actually find voting issues there.

Someone in the Green Party will in all probability be wealthy after this. Gee what a surprise.

It is not just that the democratic party are liars, thieves and crooks, it is that they are such predictable liars, thieves and crooks.

I hope to live long enough to see all the current political parties in jail for their crimes against the voters.

Based on past experiences, I'd say you are wrong on all counts. 

[Pete]

Based on past experiences, I would bet that monkey business is afoot.

Based on past experiences, someone will find a vast treasure trove of Hillary votes that were not counted.

Based on past experiences, they were not counted because they did not exist on voting day.

Based on past experiences, they will be accepted as valid without true validation.

The fact that the election results were certified will be pushed aside.

And the lawsuits will begin and comments of stolen election will begin and the MSM will have a field day.

No one will investigate any polling places where Hillary won because they might actually find voting issues there.

Someone in the Green Party will in all probability be wealthy after this. Gee what a surprise.

It is not just that the democratic party are liars, thieves and crooks, it is that they are such predictable liars, thieves and crooks.

I hope to live long enough to see all the current political parties in jail for their crimes against the voters.

Based on past experiences, I'd say you are wrong on all counts.  

It is really not productive to deny reality. Check the democratic party history - quite ugly.

The democratic party is too predictable, did it before and will try again, it is what crooks do.

I even predict that the last one "I hope ..... current political parties in jail" will NOT happen, but it should.

From your response shall I conclude that you do not think the last one should happen?

[baldo]

Based on past experiences, I would bet that monkey business is afoot.

Based on past experiences, someone will find a vast treasure trove of Hillary votes that were not counted.

Based on past experiences, they were not counted because they did not exist on voting day.

Based on past experiences, they will be accepted as valid without true validation.

The fact that the election results were certified will be pushed aside.

And the lawsuits will begin and comments of stolen election will begin and the MSM will have a field day.

No one will investigate any polling places where Hillary won because they might actually find voting issues there.

Someone in the Green Party will in all probability be wealthy after this. Gee what a surprise.

It is not just that the democratic party are liars, thieves and crooks, it is that they are such predictable liars, thieves and crooks.

I hope to live long enough to see all the current political parties in jail for their crimes against the voters.

[Serk]

[Pete]

Based on past experiences, I would bet that monkey business is afoot.

Based on past experiences, someone will find a vast treasure trove of Hillary votes that were not counted.

Based on past experiences, they were not counted because they did not exist on voting day.

Based on past experiences, they will be accepted as valid without true validation.

The fact that the election results were certified will be pushed aside.

And the lawsuits will begin and comments of stolen election will begin and the MSM will have a field day.

No one will investigate any polling places where Hillary won because they might actually find voting issues there.

Someone in the Green Party will in all probability be wealthy after this. Gee what a surprise.

It is not just that the democratic party are liars, thieves and crooks, it is that they are such predictable liars, thieves and crooks.

I hope to live long enough to see all the current political parties in jail for their crimes against the voters.

Wrong, I have never been a part of any political party and I do not represent one either.
As has been stated before in this forum.

It says all current political parties in jail. But I guess you missed that.
The only party on my scale lower than the repubs is the demos. And both have earned it.

Have fun.

Public announcement:
Reading comprehension classes are offered locally across the USA

[The emperor has no clothes]

Based on past experiences, I would bet that monkey business is afoot.

Based on past experiences, someone will find a vast treasure trove of Hillary votes that were not counted.

Based on past experiences, they were not counted because they did not exist on voting day.

Based on past experiences, they will be accepted as valid without true validation.

The fact that the election results were certified will be pushed aside.

And the lawsuits will begin and comments of stolen election will begin and the MSM will have a field day.

No one will investigate any polling places where Hillary won because they might actually find voting issues there.

Someone in the Green Party will in all probability be wealthy after this. Gee what a surprise.

It is not just that the democratic party are liars, thieves and crooks, it is that they are such predictable liars, thieves and crooks.

I hope to live long enough to see all the current political parties in jail for their crimes against the voters.

Based on past experiences, I'd say you are wrong on all counts.  

It is really not productive to deny reality. Check the democratic party history - quite ugly.

The democratic party is too predictable, did it before and will try again, it is what crooks do.

I even predict that the last one "I hope ..... current political parties in jail" will NOT happen, but it should.

From your response shall I conclude that you do not think the last one should happen?

Conclude what you will. You will still be wrong. 

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

If we're going to have a recount or two, lets recount every vote, nationwide, including the so called sanctuary areas.

And let's make sure that every non-citizen that voted is prosecuted to the full extent of the law even if it means putting a million or more illegal voters in prison. But, before we slam their cell doors, we offer to deport them with a lifetime ban on entering the United States and a guaranteed 20 year, no parole prison term if they do. I believe that will prevent enough future crime to be worth it and may even give Trump the popular vote as well as the White House.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I can honestly say I was in grief on the morning of Nov. 9. But that was quickly replaced with optimism and pride in my country. I think I am not alone in these feelings. If we continue to ridicule the "other side" we do our country no service. Let's get on with it. Trump won !!! It's time for him to lead. Quit tweeting about bullshit and run the country. It's time for the losers to face the facts. But the Green Party paying for a recall in Wisconsin is not going to mean crap. Yes if they do it, the Cinton campaign lawyers will be there to observe. BFD !

[The emperor has no clothes]

If we're going to have a recount or two, lets recount every vote, nationwide, including the so called sanctuary areas.

And let's make sure that every non-citizen that voted is prosecuted to the full extent of the law even if it means putting a million or more illegal voters in prison. But, before we slam their cell doors, we offer to deport them with a lifetime ban on entering the United States and a guaranteed 20 year, no parole prison term if they do. I believe that will prevent enough future crime to be worth it and may even give Trump the popular vote as well as the White House.

If you have evidence of non-citizens voting it is your duty to report that. On what do you base the accusation ?

[Moonshot_1]

Actually, it is a big deal with the Clinton campaign lawyers. The idea that they are just going to observe is silly. They are going to be there to attempt to manipulate the way the count is done. They will try to  limit the count to just the electronically counted ballots. Try to limit the count to specific precincts as they tried in Florida way back when. And the reason they could be successful is because Jill Stein is paying for the recount.

This is being done because they think Trump somehow cheated to win. They even say there is no evidence of any malfeasance but they want to be sure of the integrity of the election.

So, when they are finally satisfied that the electronically counted votes are legit and want this silly exercise to end, it will be time to remind them that this is about the integrity of the process and to stop the silliness and recount the rest.

This isn't about the "popular vote". It is about the integrity of the process. We know the dead have been voting in Chicago and other Democrat strongholds for decades. We saw the voter registration fraud in Indiana this year, the Democrat operatives explaining how to commit voter fraud.

I hope this recount begins the rout of the corruption.

[Serk]

Interesting theory as to why the Democrats are doing this, what their real reason is:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/the_democrats_real_strategy_in_launching_recounts.html

[Rams]

Recently read this and although I didn't give it much credit at the time. it may have some validity.

The Democrats’ real strategy in launching recounts
By Richard Baehr
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/the_democrats_real_strategy_in_launching_recounts.html
 
The recount in Wisconsin, and the coming ones in Michigan and Pennsylvania will not change the outcomes in any of the states.  No recount ever changes thousands of votes.  I do not think that is the purpose.

The recounts, if done by hand, which can be demanded, may take longer than the last day for completing the official counts in a state and directing Electoral College voters.  If all 3 states miss the deadline, Trump is at 260, Hillary at 232.  No one hits 270.  

Then this goes to Congress, where the House voting 1 vote per state elects Trump, and Senate selects Pence. This would be first time Pthis happened since 1824, but in that case, John Quincy Adams won in the House, though he had fewer electoral college votes than Andrew Jackson.  

If this goes to the US House and Senate, and the result is the same as result from the Electoral College without the recounts, why do it?  The answer is to make Trump seem even more illegitimate, that he did not win the popular vote  (he lost by over 2.1 million), he did not win the Electoral College (did not reach 270), and was elected by being inserted into the presidency by members of his own party in Congress.

Thoughts?

[Rams]

Interesting theory as to why the Democrats are doing this, what their real reason is:

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2016/11/the_democrats_real_strategy_in_launching_recounts.html

Whoa!   Posted within the same second.   That's scary.   

[Serk]

Rams - Jinx! You owe me a Coke!