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Donald and CEO's

Started by dreamaker, Thu 15, Dec 2016, 10:35:37

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dreamaker

There is something sitting in the back of my head that doesn't seem to add up for me.  I worked for a Global company at their Headquarters as a technician.  One thing I learned is CEO's and C?O's love two things, they love their power and they love their money. I learned that through experience. 
Well Donald is going to be our President, so as an American, it is my obligation to support him. BUT ! Something bothers me, "and correct me if I am wrong", he is installing these CEO's and maybe C?O's in key possessions, in our government.  Now these guys are accustom to receiving large paychecks and big bonuses, with super perks on the side. Now CEO's going into the Gov. seems like they are going many steps backwards.  Now!  Maybe one may be super patriot and really love this country, but as many as they have mentioned on TV NEWS doesn't seem logical, the power gain I can see, but they still love their money.  Something don't feel right, or am I missing something?

Valkorado

#1
You're missing something.  If greed is your concern, look at the Clinton (nonprofit) Foundation. 

President Elect Trump says he'll forego the $400,000 salary, and instead take a buck a year.   "I think I have to by law take $1, so I'll take $1 a year".



Rex Tillerman earned 24.3 million in 2016.  He will earn $203,700 annually as Secretary of State.
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3fan4life

They obviously know what the salary is before they sign up.

So, if they agree to take the job then it must mean that they really want it.

Most of them have more than "ENOUGH" money already, I'm fairly certain that they won't starve.

It could be that they like the idea of doing something different for awhile.

And maybe they would like to make a difference for a change.
1 Corinthians 1:18


Moonshot_1

Quote from: dreamaker on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 10:35:37
There is something sitting in the back of my head that doesn't seem to add up for me.  I worked for a Global company at their Headquarters as a technician.  One thing I learned is CEO's and C?O's love two things, they love their power and they love their money. I learned that through experience. 
Well Donald is going to be our President, so as an American, it is my obligation to support him. BUT ! Something bothers me, "and correct me if I am wrong", he is installing these CEO's and maybe C?O's in key possessions, in our government.  Now these guys are accustom to receiving large paychecks and big bonuses, with super perks on the side. Now CEO's going into the Gov. seems like they are going many steps backwards.  Now!  Maybe one may be super patriot and really love this country, but as many as they have mentioned on TV NEWS doesn't seem logical, the power gain I can see, but they still love their money.  Something don't feel right, or am I missing something?

The motives of people entering government service is always a crap shoot.
In this case, with the CEO weighted cabinet, yes, they receive large paychecks and bonuses. On the other hand, they are also independently wealthy and have the resources to break from business and serve the Country. As wealthy CEOs, they are, by definition, successful and talented in their field.
Being independently wealthy, they are insulated from financial and political pressures. Not immune to the pressures, just insulated.

It is tough to bribe people who already have it all.

These tend to be the folk who are in it for the challenge, not so much the money but the money is nice.

Putting less successful people, or blatant political appointments, in these positions would be putting greater pressure on them regarding corruption as they would not be naturally insulated from it. At times you do find extremely talented people in this group and when you do you appoint them to the appropriate job.

Right now, Trump is in a target rich environment for Cabinet selections.

I like the idea of wildly successful people in these positions.
Mike Luken 


Cherokee, Ia.
Former Iowa Patriot Guard Ride Captain

Alberta Patriot

#4
Trump has been talking about what is wrong for a couple decades now.
Did he start to sprout some grand plan back then to screw the masses...I am going to choose to believe not.  Look at the social and economic damage wrought by Obama in such a short time...the only way is up at this point.
Say what you mean, Mean what you say.

Wizzard

it amazes me how the media and all the ones who don't like him are jumping all over everything and gloom and doom before anything has even happened. If you want to control the peoples minds,, just create fear and its easy.

VRCC # 24157

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: Wizzard on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 12:19:25
it amazes me how the media and all the ones who don't like him are jumping all over everything and gloom and doom before anything has even happened. If you want to control the peoples minds,, just create fear and its easy.
I agree. I am doing my best not to fall into this also. But there are plenty of reasons for people to be fearful and leery. As far as the CEO thing, that doesn't concern me. It's actually admirable for someone to give up millions to serve their country. As to that chart about world leaders pay. Anyone who believes Putin is only taking a hundred and some odd thousand a year is sadly mistaken.

Valkorado

Quote from: meathead on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 12:52:07
Anyone who believes Putin is only taking a hundred and some odd thousand a year is sadly mistaken.
That's just his salary.  What he is taking is much more.
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baldo

As far as any of these billionaires giving up a salary in the 100,000's, I wouldn't give it as much weight as some of you are. That money is couch change to these guys.

And frankly, I'm more than a bit uncomfortable having this particular group in their nominated positions. I mean, when was the last time a CEO held one of the highest position s in our government? How did that turn out?



What could possibly go wrong?

Wizzard

Quote from: meathead on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 12:52:07
Quote from: Wizzard on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 12:19:25
it amazes me how the media and all the ones who don't like him are jumping all over everything and gloom and doom before anything has even happened. If you want to control the peoples minds,, just create fear and its easy.
I agree. I am doing my best not to fall into this also. But there are plenty of reasons for people to be fearful and leery. As far as the CEO thing, that doesn't concern me. It's actually admirable for someone to give up millions to serve their country. As to that chart about world leaders pay. Anyone who believes Putin is only taking a hundred and some odd thousand a year is sadly mistaken.

:cooldude:

VRCC # 24157

Wizzard

#10
Quote from: baldo on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 13:28:44
As far as any of these billionaires giving up a salary in the 100,000's, I wouldn't give it as much weight as some of you are. That money is couch change to these guys.

And frankly, I'm more than a bit uncomfortable having this particular group in their nominated positions. I mean, when was the last time a CEO held one of the highest position s in our government? How did that turn out?



What could possibly go wrong?

Sure could not be any worse than what we had. I am not speculating on what we had. You are speculating about the future. Crow may become a staple in your diet.  ;D

VRCC # 24157

Alpha Dog

Quote from: baldo on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 13:28:44
As far as any of these billionaires giving up a salary in the 100,000's, I wouldn't give it as much weight as some of you are. That money is couch change to these guys.

And frankly, I'm more than a bit uncomfortable having this particular group in their nominated positions. I mean, when was the last time a CEO held one of the highest position s in our government? How did that turn out?



What could possibly go wrong?

Turned out better than the Robert Macnamara whiz kid gang that brought us Vietnam.  He was CEO of Ford before taking Sec. of State 61-69.
Now George Schultz Sec. State 82-89 was the CEO of Bechtel ( largest American construction company at that time - helped me finance my College )  Under his watch and diplomacy the Evil Empire came to it Knees and Eastern Europe became free again.

It can work and if anyone can make it work it will be the Trumpster.


Moonshot_1

Quote from: baldo on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 13:28:44
As far as any of these billionaires giving up a salary in the 100,000's, I wouldn't give it as much weight as some of you are. That money is couch change to these guys.

And frankly, I'm more than a bit uncomfortable having this particular group in their nominated positions. I mean, when was the last time a CEO held one of the highest position s in our government? How did that turn out?



What could possibly go wrong?

Well, if you are a lawyer, you could be shot in an undisclosed location. :crazy2: :2funny:

Mike Luken 


Cherokee, Ia.
Former Iowa Patriot Guard Ride Captain

Alberta Patriot

Quote from: Wizzard on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 12:19:25
it amazes me how the media and all the ones who don't like him are jumping all over everything and gloom and doom before anything has even happened. If you want to control the peoples minds,, just create fear and its easy.
People are not buying into the fear and loathing train of bull-shite anymore, and the Dems will continue to lose seats in Congress and in State Legislatures until they finally 'get it'...case in point...the reappointment of Nancy Pelosi...how stupid was that!!
Say what you mean, Mean what you say.

Moonshot_1

Quote from: 7th_son on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 15:21:18
Quote from: Wizzard on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 12:19:25
it amazes me how the media and all the ones who don't like him are jumping all over everything and gloom and doom before anything has even happened. If you want to control the peoples minds,, just create fear and its easy.
People are not buying into the fear and loathing train of bull-shite anymore, and the Dems will continue to lose seats in Congress and in State Legislatures until they finally 'get it'...case in point...the reappointment of Nancy Pelosi...how stupid was that!!

Stupid?? It was...brilliant! Uh yeah! Brilliant! The Democrats need to continue to put people of her caliber in leadership positions.
Mike Luken 


Cherokee, Ia.
Former Iowa Patriot Guard Ride Captain

Alberta Patriot

Quote from: Moonshot_1 on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 15:28:29
Quote from: 7th_son on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 15:21:18
Quote from: Wizzard on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 12:19:25
it amazes me how the media and all the ones who don't like him are jumping all over everything and gloom and doom before anything has even happened. If you want to control the peoples minds,, just create fear and its easy.
People are not buying into the fear and loathing train of bull-shite anymore, and the Dems will continue to lose seats in Congress and in State Legislatures until they finally 'get it'...case in point...the reappointment of Nancy Pelosi...how stupid was that!!

Stupid?? It was...brilliant! Uh yeah! Brilliant! The Democrats need to continue to put people of her caliber in leadership positions.
Oh...Yes...Right.... :cooldude:
Say what you mean, Mean what you say.

TallRider

All these billionaires he is appointing according to Trump says the are all doing it for a dollar year salary.
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JimC

Well, for decades we have put poor men into office and watched them come out rich,
I guess we should all sit back and see what happens when we put rich men into office.

Hopefully, they are doing it for the good of the country. Narcissism has something to do with it I'm sure, but that is ok with me as long as they take care of business and don't sell us down the river, or push us off the cliff like the last four years.

Jim
Jim Callaghan    SE Wisconsin

dreamaker

#18
You guys come up with some interesting scenario. But a couple things, first, when people generally  come up with a working solution, it is generally based on people honesty and going by the numbers. The other, when people approach the ladder to power, they are on a completely different plateau then us working people. For us it is money, to live and pay our bills, so it is money first, to them it is power and control first, and money later. So I certainly hope you are right, about wanting to serve the country better. Or has New World Order Won?

RP#62

So. . .he should have appointed poor unsuccessful people?

-RP
 

Romeo

Quote from: baldo on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 13:28:44
As far as any of these billionaires giving up a salary in the 100,000's, I wouldn't give it as much weight as some of you are. That money is couch change to these guys.

And frankly, I'm more than a bit uncomfortable having this particular group in their nominated positions. I mean, when was the last time a CEO held one of the highest position s in our government? How did that turn out?



What could possibly go wrong?
Just wanted to say thank you for posting a picture of one of my all time hero's

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: Romeo on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 18:00:57
Quote from: baldo on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 13:28:44
As far as any of these billionaires giving up a salary in the 100,000's, I wouldn't give it as much weight as some of you are. That money is couch change to these guys.

And frankly, I'm more than a bit uncomfortable having this particular group in their nominated positions. I mean, when was the last time a CEO held one of the highest position s in our government? How did that turn out?



What could possibly go wrong?
Just wanted to say thank you for posting a picture of one of my all time hero's
:o :o :o

baldo

Quote from: Romeo on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 18:00:57
Quote from: baldo on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 13:28:44
As far as any of these billionaires giving up a salary in the 100,000's, I wouldn't give it as much weight as some of you are. That money is couch change to these guys.

And frankly, I'm more than a bit uncomfortable having this particular group in their nominated positions. I mean, when was the last time a CEO held one of the highest position s in our government? How did that turn out?


What could possibly go wrong?
Just wanted to say thank you for posting a picture of one of my all time hero's

So you're the one!

Paxton

JFK took the $1 per year salary too.  ???
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The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: Paxton on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 19:13:26
JFK took the $1 per year salary too.  ???
Interesting. I didn't know that.  :cooldude:

Paxton

J. Paxton Gomez

1966 First year Bronco... 302 CI V8
1975 First year Chrysler Cordoba... 360 CI V8
1978 Honda 750F / Cafe Racer
2000 GL1500CY Fast-Black Standard Solo Rider

So Cal... 91205

"Four wheels move the body; two wheels move the soul."

..

JFK took the salary and donated it to charity. As did Hoover.

Getting a tax deduction?


Paxton

President Barack Obama: While his salary is $400,000, his income in 2011 was about $790,000, ...
This includes the royalties from his books... :-\

BTW, who pays the Gas for the POTUS limo? ???
J. Paxton Gomez

1966 First year Bronco... 302 CI V8
1975 First year Chrysler Cordoba... 360 CI V8
1978 Honda 750F / Cafe Racer
2000 GL1500CY Fast-Black Standard Solo Rider

So Cal... 91205

"Four wheels move the body; two wheels move the soul."

Paxton

QUOTE: "JFK took the salary and donated it to charity."

True but JFK still had to take the $1 per year.
J. Paxton Gomez

1966 First year Bronco... 302 CI V8
1975 First year Chrysler Cordoba... 360 CI V8
1978 Honda 750F / Cafe Racer
2000 GL1500CY Fast-Black Standard Solo Rider

So Cal... 91205

"Four wheels move the body; two wheels move the soul."

..

Quote from: Paxton on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 19:44:33
President Barack Obama: While his salary is $400,000, his income in 2011 was about $790,000, ...
This includes the royalties from his books... :-\

BTW, who pays the Gas for the POTUS limo? ???

The taxpayers?

BF

Quote from: Paxton on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 19:26:23
Black Celebrities' "Salaries:" ???
http://www.paywizard.org/main/salary/vip-check/blackcelebritiessalaries

It's offical...I'm old.  :o   I have absolutely no idea who most of those people are.
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phideux

I just want to know, with a salary that paid him $3,200,000, how did Obama amass a net worth of over 24,000,000????

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: phideux on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 00:41:21
I just want to know, with a salary that paid him $3,200,000, how did Obama amass a net worth of over 24,000,000????
It appears your numbers are in error.

http://time.com/money/4439729/barack-obama-net-worth-55th-birthday/

Moonshot_1

Quote from: meathead on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 05:21:51
Quote from: phideux on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 00:41:21
I just want to know, with a salary that paid him $3,200,000, how did Obama amass a net worth of over 24,000,000????
It appears your numbers are in error.

http://time.com/money/4439729/barack-obama-net-worth-55th-birthday/

According to the article, if you add Barak's and Michelle's net worths together you do get $24,000,000. Right on the nose.
Still pretty good for a couple liberal community organizing lawyers.
Mike Luken 


Cherokee, Ia.
Former Iowa Patriot Guard Ride Captain

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: Moonshot_1 on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 11:42:25
Quote from: meathead on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 05:21:51
Quote from: phideux on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 00:41:21
I just want to know, with a salary that paid him $3,200,000, how did Obama amass a net worth of over 24,000,000????
It appears your numbers are in error.

http://time.com/money/4439729/barack-obama-net-worth-55th-birthday/

According to the article, if you add Barak's and Michelle's net worths together you do get $24,000,000. Right on the nose.
Still pretty good for a couple liberal community organizing lawyers.
According to the article, his financial statements estimate a net worth of between 2-7 million. A different organization called "Celebrity Net Worth" has them each at about 12 million. How these figures were arrived at or who CNW is I don't know. Isn't it ironic though that we have all the financial records for them to look at. And we still haven't even seen Trumps returns ?

Moonshot_1

Quote from: meathead on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 13:23:22
Quote from: Moonshot_1 on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 11:42:25
Quote from: meathead on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 05:21:51
Quote from: phideux on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 00:41:21
I just want to know, with a salary that paid him $3,200,000, how did Obama amass a net worth of over 24,000,000????
It appears your numbers are in error.

http://time.com/money/4439729/barack-obama-net-worth-55th-birthday/

Trump hasn't seen mine either.

According to the article, if you add Barak's and Michelle's net worths together you do get $24,000,000. Right on the nose.
Still pretty good for a couple liberal community organizing lawyers.
According to the article, his financial statements estimate a net worth of between 2-7 million. A different organization called "Celebrity Net Worth" has them each at about 12 million. How these figures were arrived at or who CNW is I don't know. Isn't it ironic though that we have all the financial records for them to look at. And we still haven't even seen Trumps returns ?
Mike Luken 


Cherokee, Ia.
Former Iowa Patriot Guard Ride Captain

Romeo

Quote from: baldo on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 18:10:42
Quote from: Romeo on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 18:00:57
Quote from: baldo on Thu 15, Dec 2016, 13:28:44
As far as any of these billionaires giving up a salary in the 100,000's, I wouldn't give it as much weight as some of you are. That money is couch change to these guys.

And frankly, I'm more than a bit uncomfortable having this particular group in their nominated positions. I mean, when was the last time a CEO held one of the highest position s in our government? How did that turn out?


What could possibly go wrong?
Just wanted to say thank you for posting a picture of one of my all time hero's

So you're the one!
you may say I'm a dreamer, but I'm not the only one. Imagine, no Obama, its easy if you try.

Willow

Quote from: meathead on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 13:23:22
Quote from: Moonshot_1 on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 11:42:25
Quote from: meathead on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 05:21:51
Quote from: phideux on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 00:41:21
I just want to know, with a salary that paid him $3,200,000, how did Obama amass a net worth of over 24,000,000????
It appears your numbers are in error.

http://time.com/money/4439729/barack-obama-net-worth-55th-birthday/

According to the article, if you add Barak's and Michelle's net worths together you do get $24,000,000. Right on the nose.
Still pretty good for a couple liberal community organizing lawyers.
According to the article, his financial statements estimate a net worth of between 2-7 million. A different organization called "Celebrity Net Worth" has them each at about 12 million. How these figures were arrived at or who CNW is I don't know. Isn't it ironic though that we have all the financial records for them to look at. And we still haven't even seen Trumps returns ?

Two points:

The required financial records, I believe do not include tax returns.

Secondly, release of financial records is not required until a person actually becomes an elected government official.

I was reading up on the requirement of financial statements.  Among what was said is that they're generally vague enough to still leave a lot of questions.  I'm pretty sure Donald Trump is wealthy.  I'm pretty sure Barrack Obama is wealthy.  I'm pretty sure Hillary and Bill Clinton are wealthy.

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: Willow on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 18:02:51
Quote from: meathead on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 13:23:22
Quote from: Moonshot_1 on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 11:42:25
Quote from: meathead on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 05:21:51
Quote from: phideux on Fri 16, Dec 2016, 00:41:21
I just want to know, with a salary that paid him $3,200,000, how did Obama amass a net worth of over 24,000,000????
It appears your numbers are in error.

http://time.com/money/4439729/barack-obama-net-worth-55th-birthday/

According to the article, if you add Barak's and Michelle's net worths together you do get $24,000,000. Right on the nose.
Still pretty good for a couple liberal community organizing lawyers.
According to the article, his financial statements estimate a net worth of between 2-7 million. A different organization called "Celebrity Net Worth" has them each at about 12 million. How these figures were arrived at or who CNW is I don't know. Isn't it ironic though that we have all the financial records for them to look at. And we still haven't even seen Trumps returns ?

Two points:

The required financial records, I believe do not include tax returns.

Secondly, release of financial records is not required until a person actually becomes an elected government official.

I was reading up on the requirement of financial statements.  Among what was said is that they're generally vague enough to still leave a lot of questions.  I'm pretty sure Donald Trump is wealthy.  I'm pretty sure Barrack Obama is wealthy.  I'm pretty sure Hillary and Bill Clinton are wealthy.
I'm pretty sure you are right on all three counts. You are also correct about the tax returns. It's not required by law. I don't know if they will ever be put out for the public to see. But they probably should be.

RP#62

When and if he releases them, I wonder if they'll be the real documents or ones that were fabricated.

-RP