Politcal Rants and Disrespect

[Willow]

I received another request to delete someone's message board registration.  We had conversation and I tried to get him to just take some time and leave himself the option of coming back.  He insisted he wanted to break all ties with the VRCC.

The problem he describes was the proliferation of hostile political posts and his inability to not reply and get dragged into the conversations.

There have been a few that have asked me to remove them.  They are the exception.  A lot just quietly slip away.

I want to be sure that some us know that repeatedly posting ridiculing political content or posting political connection to otherwise nonpolitical threads are doing damage to the ongoing life of the VRCC community.

We can certainly discuss our political views.  We need to do so with respect and we need to not overwhelm the board with political diatribes.  There are probably no more than seven or eight members who regularly start politically divisive threads.  My personal opinion is that the board would be better off without that.  Not everyone else agrees.

I'm not completely innocent.  I don't start politically divisive threads and I try to stay out of some of the conversations but I find myself drawn in.

Perhaps I will try harder to stay out of the conversations.  I'm asking some of us to cease repeatedly initiating politically divisive threads.  We're not really changing anyone's opinion.

Let's do what we can to build up rather than tear down the community that we enjoy.       

[Rams]

Noted and bumped.  

Religion and Politics are always divisive.   Thanks for the reminder.

Just to be clear though, are we still allowed to make fun of V Twinkies?   

[The emperor has no clothes]

I will do my best to be civil. I do try not to ridicule, but I realize I can be pretty sarcastic at times. I was holding out hope that CI_Borg wouldn't leave. He PM'ed me yesterday saying he was leaving. I only knew him from the board, but I always thought of him as a nice, kind, fairminded person. We are lessened without him. Maybe after some time he will return, maybe not. I'm sorry for my part in contributing to a climate that drove him and others away.

[Bigwolf]

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  A lot just quietly slip away.

I want to be sure that some us know that repeatedly posting ridiculing political content or posting political connection to otherwise nonpolitical threads are doing damage to the ongoing life of the VRCC community.

We can certainly discuss our political views.  We need to do so with respect and we need to not overwhelm the board with political diatribes.  There are probably no more than seven or eight members who regularly start politically divisive threads.  My personal opinion is that the board would be better off without that.  Not everyone else agrees.

****************  I'm asking some of us to cease repeatedly initiating politically divisive threads.  We're not really changing anyone's opinion.

Let's do what we can to build up rather than tear down the community that we enjoy.       

+1  My sentiments exactly!  Thank you Willow for posting this.

It would be a crime to let the good things this club does end just because we let some of our strongly held differing opinions that have nothing to do with motorcycles keep us from enjoying the things we all have in common.

[Oss]

easier to tear down or leave than to build

Thank you for the post Carl,

Let us try to be a + and not a - in our dealings with each other

We dont have all that much time on  this blue marble we call home
and we all should use it like we understand that

Also if you want to get down and dirty use the PM so you limit the spread of the mud you throw and it is crystal clear who your comments are meant for. 

[Ice]

Thanks for this post. My wife and I were just talking about the same subject last night and that many of the rides are posted on Facebook instead of the VRCC, and I told her that it is because there is too much political BS on the board. One of the reasons for folks leaving or just not being on the board anymore because they as many are sick of having to sort through all the crap.
Britman and a few others did their damndest to keep the main page motorcycle related during the week  and just because some feel the need to stir stuff up they tried to make it political again.
I told my wife that it's just like a newspaper if you read nothing but crap you eventually stop buying the paper and I see the same thing happening here.
As I always say, this is supposed to be a motorcycle forum not a political playground for crap stirrers.
It is always fun to read the adventures of our hard core riders like Bruce and others, and to enjoy the dream of someday being able to do the same.
Just my humble opinion.

[da prez]

  We do not do face book. If I do not like a post heading , I may read and ignore. I may respond.
  No one forces anyone to read what is posted. I have started some nasty posts and commented on others.  I read the newspaper . The paper is one sided. Sometimes the comments on here are very one sided. It is your right to read , comment, or leave. Your dues will not be refunded.
  I , personally , like this board and I have made friends. We all know that if someone needs help , all that needs to be done is "ask".

                                                         da prez

[Hook#3287]

For someone to leave this site, if they truly enjoy it, because of the political posts, is what is referred to as "cutting off your nose to spite your face."

Yeah, the political talk can get spirited at times, but you can just ignore it and post something about your bike or ride or car or wife or girlfriend or grandchildren or weather or Youtube or your diet or just about EVERYTHING else in the whole wide world, someone will most likely respond.

As far as the political posts go, I for one, have learned a ton about our political atmosphere, from reading the back and forth between both major groups.

And I don't need the newspaper, because if it's worth hearing about, it's probably been posted here by one member or another.

Leaving because you don't like certain TYPE of posts, is not the answer, the answer is posting about what your dog did today.

But, thankfully, we live in the USA and can make those choices.

[DK]

I received another request to delete someone's message board registration.  We had conversation and I tried to get him to just take some time and leave himself the option of coming back.  He insisted he wanted to break all ties with the VRCC.

The problem he describes was the proliferation of hostile political posts and his inability to not reply and get dragged into the conversations.

There have been a few that have asked me to remove them.  They are the exception.  A lot just quietly slip away.

I want to be sure that some us know that repeatedly posting ridiculing political content or posting political connection to otherwise nonpolitical threads are doing damage to the ongoing life of the VRCC community.

We can certainly discuss our political views.  We need to do so with respect and we need to not overwhelm the board with political diatribes.  There are probably no more than seven or eight members who regularly start politically divisive threads.  My personal opinion is that the board would be better off without that.  Not everyone else agrees.

I'm not completely innocent.  I don't start politically divisive threads and I try to stay out of some of the conversations but I find myself drawn in.

Perhaps I will try harder to stay out of the conversations.  I'm asking some of us to cease repeatedly initiating politically divisive threads.  We're not really changing anyone's opinion.

Let's do what we can to build up rather than tear down the community that we enjoy.       

From having a lot of free time due to being very down in my back for a few weeks before surgery & following that with the actual surgery and ongoing recovery, I've been following the VRCC Boards on both the Primary Site and the Facebook Page.

I enjoy the Facebook Page (site), but in my own conversations with myself, I think of it as "VRCC Lite". It's more social with a lot of pictures and little or no political or other acrimony; it's very, very easy to post a picture, or make a comment, and it's technical expertise has a few excellent commentators coupled with a lot of learners. For complex matters, the advice is often to research the VRCC Site. However, any good technical advice is soon lost with no way existing to research it In the future.

I fear that the Facebook page is, in and of itself, a threat to the traditional  VRCC Site and also, VRCC as an ongoing entity. From my impression only, I think the FB participants are younger than those of us gravitating toward the traditional site which needs these younger Valk riders for the continued vitality of the VRCC-there's no InZane planning taking place on FB, etc. and so on. There's just no way around saying it; it appears that one of our biggest problems in keeping the VRCC as a thriving organization is the increasing age of its active membership. I readily acknowledge that I don't have the numbers and may be completely wrong. I hope I am wrong, but this seems to be the case also based on InZane attendance.

Perhaps its to our advantage to relegate political discussion to an isolated topic as it clearly seems to be inhibiting participation due to the activity of a small number of our active members.

Bear in mind & without political comment one way or another, with the advent of Tweeting and responses thereto, political derision is likely to reach a new high in the very immediate future.

[Gavin_Sons]

I think it istimefor a political board. Dont give me this BS that this is a general board and anything can be talked about here. Ban all politics from the general board and have its own place. Anything but politics can still be discussed on the general board. Lets face it,  some people just can't help but push the button on a thread they know is going to upset them. We have to help these members help themselves.

[baldo]

I received another request to delete someone's message board registration.  We had conversation and I tried to get him to just take some time and leave himself the option of coming back.  He insisted he wanted to break all ties with the VRCC.

The problem he describes was the proliferation of hostile political posts and his inability to not reply and get dragged into the conversations.

There have been a few that have asked me to remove them.  They are the exception.  A lot just quietly slip away.

I want to be sure that some us know that repeatedly posting ridiculing political content or posting political connection to otherwise nonpolitical threads are doing damage to the ongoing life of the VRCC community.

We can certainly discuss our political views.  We need to do so with respect and we need to not overwhelm the board with political diatribes.  There are probably no more than seven or eight members who regularly start politically divisive threads.  My personal opinion is that the board would be better off without that.  Not everyone else agrees.

I'm not completely innocent.  I don't start politically divisive threads and I try to stay out of some of the conversations but I find myself drawn in.

Perhaps I will try harder to stay out of the conversations.  I'm asking some of us to cease repeatedly initiating politically divisive threads.  We're not really changing anyone's opinion.

Let's do what we can to build up rather than tear down the community that we enjoy.       

From having a lot of free time due to being very down in my back for a few weeks before surgery & following that with the actual surgery and ongoing recovery, I've been following the VRCC Boards on both the Primary Site and the Facebook Page.

I enjoy the Facebook Page (site), but in my own conversations with myself, I think of it as "VRCC Lite". It's more social with a lot of pictures and little or no political or other acrimony; it's very, very easy to post a picture, or make a comment, and it's technical expertise has a few excellent commentators coupled with a lot of learners. For complex matters, the advice is often to research the VRCC Site. However, any good technical advice is soon lost with no way existing to research it In the future.

I fear that the Facebook page is, in and of itself, a threat to the traditional  VRCC Site and also, VRCC as an ongoing entity. From my impression only, I think the FB participants are younger than those of us gravitating toward the traditional site which needs these younger Valk riders for the continued vitality of the VRCC-there's no InZane planning taking place on FB, etc. and so on. There's just no way around saying it; it appears that one of our biggest problems in keeping the VRCC as a thriving organization is the increasing age of its active membership. I readily acknowledge that I don't have the numbers and may be completely wrong. I hope I am wrong, but this seems to be the case also based on InZane attendance.

Perhaps its to our advantage to relegate political discussion to an isolated topic as it clearly seems to be inhibiting participation due to the activity of a small number of our active members.

Bear in mind & without political comment one way or another, with the advent of Tweeting and responses thereto, political derision is likely to reach a new high in the very immediate future.

I belonged to a very good upholstery forum, www.carrscorner.com, that was founded in 2004 or so. I was the second member to sign up. It was great for more than a few years. Lots of great help from some very knowledgeable people, lots of newbies just getting into the trade, lots of great discussions and how-to's.

With the advent of Facebook, readership and participation just kept dwindling off until the owner seriously considered closing it up. I believe he's lined up some financing to help out, and kept the site up.

Facebook is definitely easier in some ways, lacking in others.

[Hooter]

What Gavin said is true on a number of boards. There are catagories for religion and politics either separate or combined. If you go there understand what you may be reading and if you wish to participate it's on you. Using these categories keeps most of the arguable post off the general board that should be used for riding and the such just like it should be. Wanna fight and argue there is the place you can do it.

Or, it can be left the way it is? But, when the general board is roughly 50+% political or something controversial it's hard not to read if you want to remain active here.

[Skinhead]

Or, it can be left the way it is? But, when the general board is roughly 50+% political or something controversial it's hard not to read if you want to remain active here.

How is it hard not to read?  I can see unintentionally opening a political post for the first time, reading the first few posts and realizing, Oh Sh!+!  This is an offensive (to me) political post.  From that point on, don't open that post.

Is everyone aware of the UNREAD button in the upper right hand corner of the page next to your icon?  When you click on this button, it opens posts that are unread to you or have new posts to an existing thread, using this feature you don't have to look through EVERY post/reply on the board.  If people aren't using it, I suggest trying it.  It may reduce some peoples anxiety over political posts.

[DirtyDan]

If you like it read it. If you don't like it don't read it. Don't complain about what you don't read.

Dan

[Gavin_Sons]

Or, it can be left the way it is? But, when the general board is roughly 50+% political or something controversial it's hard not to read if you want to remain active here.

How is it hard not to read?  I can see unintentionally opening a political post for the first time, reading the first few posts and realizing, Oh Sh!+!  This is an offensive (to me) political post.  From that point on, don't open that post.

Is everyone aware of the UNREAD button in the upper right hand corner of the page next to your icon?  When you click on this button, it opens posts that are unread to you or have new posts to an existing thread, using this feature you don't have to look through EVERY post/reply on the board.  If people aren't using it, I suggest trying it.  It may reduce some peoples anxiety over political posts.

It's just hard for some people. It's like a drug, they know it could possibly kill them but they keep going back for more. Apparently leaving it the way it is, is not working or the moderators would not be opening a thread like this to discuss it.

[Gryphon]

We have a Facebook page?

[Rams]

I believe that Willow's post was correct.

I also think that the addition of a separate category for political discussions would be appropriate.

Having said that, if a person leaves because they can't handle the different topics presented, then they weren't really interested in what other Valkyrie riders think.

I don't go to facebook, I like what we have here.   I've made friends with some folks I really appreciate, some of them don't agree with my politics, I'd still buy the first round of iced tea if we sat down together.    Some things will never change, religion and politics are divisive subjects.   If you can't handle that, don't open that thread.

I will attempt to abide by the rules and, adhere to Willow's post to the best of my ability.  
This, from an officially recognized PITA.      

[Moonshot_1]

This is a site the most of us use for free. There are a handful of people who have given of their time to put this wonderful site together and moderate it.

This site has a number of Boards that you can participate in.

General and Tech boards
State and Regional boards

These are used to varying degrees.

Now we have the perennial request again come up for a "Political board"

What does that mean?

Well it would seem to add another dimension for the moderators to have to deal with.

Are we going to expect them to cruise the General board taking out varying degrees of Political speech?

Are we going to have to develop new rules, guidelines, and, well, punishments for varying breaks in decorum?

Why is there this expectation that the fine folks that moderate this board, for free mind you, should take on the job of referee as well.

And when the solution is so simple and easy by having members police themselves, not participate in that they find uncomfortable, and simply not engage in the political discourse, I can't see why anyone would want to put our moderators and VRCC staff in such a position.

We had a "Last word" thread that got retired upon RJ's passing. That went a long time. We had lots of fun with it. If you are tired of the political posting start a version of such a thread. Keep it bumped. Ask those participating in the thread to leave the politics at the door. Moderate it yourself. Have fun with it.
If you get a political troll making a fuss, then get the VRCC moderator involved to take care of it.

Basically, there is a way to accomplish this yourself and not bring added responsibilities to the VRCC staff.

If you don't feel up to being engaged and adding to the forum then you are going to have to simply take what the board gives ya.

[signart]

If you like it read it. If you don't like it don't read it. Don't complain about what you don't read.

Dan

Simple as that ^^^^

It ain't broke so don't fix on it.
Only way to improve, which would help with the mc posts, is if it was easier to put up pictures.
Any better forum, anywhere? Not by a long shot.
Thanks to all who make this site available!

[Gavin_Sons]

Some people can not police themselves so they need help. Why is it so difficult to have another board for politics/religion only? Everyone understands this is a free service the moderators offer us, but when something is not working and has proved itself to not work many times over it is time to change.

[Bighead]

If you like it read it. If you don't like it don't read it. Don't complain about what you don't read.

Dan

Simple as that ^^^^

It ain't broke so don't fix on it.
Only way to improve, which would help with the mc posts, is if it was easier to put up pictures.
Any better forum, anywhere? Not by a long shot.
Thanks to all who make this site available!

Pictures couldn't be simpler to post, open a photobucket account it is free plus if your computer crashes you will still have them,then all you have to do is copy and paste.

[Brewer]

I received another request to delete someone's message board registration.  We had conversation and I tried to get him to just take some time and leave himself the option of coming back.  He insisted he wanted to break all ties with the VRCC.

The problem he describes was the proliferation of hostile political posts and his inability to not reply and get dragged into the conversations.

There have been a few that have asked me to remove them.  They are the exception.  A lot just quietly slip away.

I want to be sure that some us know that repeatedly posting ridiculing political content or posting political connection to otherwise nonpolitical threads are doing damage to the ongoing life of the VRCC community.

We can certainly discuss our political views.  We need to do so with respect and we need to not overwhelm the board with political diatribes.  There are probably no more than seven or eight members who regularly start politically divisive threads.  My personal opinion is that the board would be better off without that.  Not everyone else agrees.

I'm not completely innocent.  I don't start politically divisive threads and I try to stay out of some of the conversations but I find myself drawn in.

Perhaps I will try harder to stay out of the conversations.  I'm asking some of us to cease repeatedly initiating politically divisive threads.  We're not really changing anyone's opinion.

Let's do what we can to build up rather than tear down the community that we enjoy.      

Hey Willow, Thank you for moderating. Do what you feel is correct to keep the board up and working.

That being said I have noticed the signal (Valk topics, ride info, you know motorcycle stuff) to noise (political / rant, BS) ratio is shifting to more noise. I visit less and am looking for Inzane news, local ride info and skipping the rest even the new person wanting information about tips, tricks, valk noises and such type posts.

All that being said I look forward to seeing the lot of you in Billings later in the year.
Cheers
Brewer

[Moonshot_1]

One more note on this.

The country has just been through one of the most brutal political campaigns in it's recent history.
The aftershocks still shaking the foundations.

The political discussions have been on steroids because of this. Hopefully, after some time passes and the warmth of spring arrives we will see a return to some normality in life in general and in these forums.

I believe that once the most of us get back in the wind we will have other things to discuss other than politics.

I reject the notion that somehow the board is broken or needs to be fixed. I believe it has stood the test of time quite well, in fact, in the face of an unprecedented and historically divisive political season.

A season that will mercifully come to a close soon.

Then we can talk about car tires and synthetic oil. We can talk about them right now too.

[wiggydotcom]

I think there's a lot more to the discussion than just, "If you don't like political posts, don't read them."
I don't mind them per se and have taken part in many. But here's just one problem of many. When people take the time to make up detailed ride reports such as SmokinJoe or Bruce, they can quickly get relegated to Page 2 or 3----because of 10 different offtopic or political posts. These posts then fall by the wayside quickly, or have to be bumped back to the top----continually. They deserve better.

Yeah, yeah, I realize it's a general board also since I've been a part of this board(and the previous version)since 2001. But my mind has changed on the matter. Since I no longer own a Valk, I don't come around as much here. The F6b isn't a supported bike on this forum. The F6b forum(non Facebook) I belong to now has severall subforums---all motorcycle related with headings such as General(F6b or other motorcycle related), the Garage, Vendors, Photos, Classifieds, and finally, Off Topic. It's the Off Topic forum where all the crap can fly.  It works very well.  But non motorcycle stuff also stays out of the other areas. I happen to like it that way. Also, all the Facebook Valk sites that I can think of do not allow political posts and if it happens, the posts are removed and the posters get warnings and then are banned. I think that also works out well.

I'm with Gavin_Sons and the others who think it is time for a seperate category here....for Non Valk related stuff, including the political posts. It doesn't do the VRCC any good to lose any members and I see the posts on other sites time and time again where the person says they left the VRCC because of all the political posts and attacks.

Just my .02

[wiggydotcom]

If you like it read it. If you don't like it don't read it. Don't complain about what you don't read.

Dan

Simple as that ^^^^

It ain't broke so don't fix on it.
Only way to improve, which would help with the mc posts, is if it was easier to put up pictures.
Any better forum, anywhere? Not by a long shot.
Thanks to all who make this site available!

Pictures couldn't be simpler to post, open a photobucket account it is free plus if your computer crashes you will still have them,then all you have to do is copy and paste.

Actually, they could be simpler. Athough I use Photobucket and it works fine, many sites just allow you to select a pic from one's own computer...no need to even navigate to and open Photobucket.

[The emperor has no clothes]

If you like it read it. If you don't like it don't read it. Don't complain about what you don't read.

Dan

Simple as that ^^^^

It ain't broke so don't fix on it.
Only way to improve, which would help with the mc posts, is if it was easier to put up pictures.
Any better forum, anywhere? Not by a long shot.
Thanks to all who make this site available!

Pictures couldn't be simpler to post, open a photobucket account it is free plus if your computer crashes you will still have them,then all you have to do is copy and paste.

Actually, they could be simpler. Athough I use Photobucket and it works fine, many sites just allow you to select a pic from one's own computer...no need to even navigate to and open Photobucket.

it took a meathead 3 years to get it. Thanks again Wiggy 

[wiggydotcom]

If you like it read it. If you don't like it don't read it. Don't complain about what you don't read.

Dan

Simple as that ^^^^

It ain't broke so don't fix on it.
Only way to improve, which would help with the mc posts, is if it was easier to put up pictures.
Any better forum, anywhere? Not by a long shot.
Thanks to all who make this site available!

Pictures couldn't be simpler to post, open a photobucket account it is free plus if your computer crashes you will still have them,then all you have to do is copy and paste.

Actually, they could be simpler. Athough I use Photobucket and it works fine, many sites just allow you to select a pic from one's own computer...no need to even navigate to and open Photobucket.

it took a meathead 3 years to get it. Thanks again Wiggy  

You were a good student, Rob!  

[DirtyDan]

You did good with my pictures meathead thumbs up

Dan

[f6gal]

If you like it read it. If you don't like it don't read it. Don't complain about what you don't read.

Dan

Simple as that ^^^^

It ain't broke so don't fix on it.
Only way to improve, which would help with the mc posts, is if it was easier to put up pictures.
Any better forum, anywhere? Not by a long shot.
Thanks to all who make this site available!

Pictures couldn't be simpler to post, open a photobucket account it is free plus if your computer crashes you will still have them,then all you have to do is copy and paste.

Actually, they could be simpler. Athough I use Photobucket and it works fine, many sites just allow you to select a pic from one's own computer...no need to even navigate to and open Photobucket.

I agree that picture posting is an issue, mainly because FB makes is easy to upload straight from one's computer.  I've brought it up on numerous occasions to other staffers.  Unfortunately, if we were to do that our board would slow to a crawl.  One solution would be to delete old posts, but we've been reluctant to do that.  

[Bighead]

Or use photobucket as it takes up no space here it is not difficult to open PB then Copy and paste.

[wiggydotcom]

If you like it read it. If you don't like it don't read it. Don't complain about what you don't read.

Dan

Simple as that ^^^^

It ain't broke so don't fix on it.
Only way to improve, which would help with the mc posts, is if it was easier to put up pictures.
Any better forum, anywhere? Not by a long shot.
Thanks to all who make this site available!

Pictures couldn't be simpler to post, open a photobucket account it is free plus if your computer crashes you will still have them,then all you have to do is copy and paste.

Actually, they could be simpler. Athough I use Photobucket and it works fine, many sites just allow you to select a pic from one's own computer...no need to even navigate to and open Photobucket.

I agree that picture posting is an issue, mainly because FB makes is easy to upload straight from one's computer.  I've brought it up on numerous occasions to other staffers.  Unfortunately, if we were to do that our board would slow to a crawl.  One solution would be to delete old posts, but we've been reluctant to do that.  

It's ok, Connie. Thanks for the explanation. I'm not complaining...Hope to see you next June!

[signart]

If you like it read it. If you don't like it don't read it. Don't complain about what you don't read.

Dan

Simple as that ^^^^

It ain't broke so don't fix on it.
Only way to improve, which would help with the mc posts, is if it was easier to put up pictures.
Any better forum, anywhere? Not by a long shot.
Thanks to all who make this site available!

Pictures couldn't be simpler to post, open a photobucket account it is free plus if your computer crashes you will still have them,then all you have to do is copy and paste.

Actually, they could be simpler. Athough I use Photobucket and it works fine, many sites just allow you to select a pic from one's own computer...no need to even navigate to and open Photobucket.

That's what I'm getting at. I manage, but others might participate if it were simple as selecting a photo from anywhere on the computer.
Still, NOT COMLAINING, I think the site is perfect as is. It is worth more than it cost me that's for sure.
On my Cadillac/LaSalle forum we just pull up a picture from anywhere and it is automatically reduced in size and appears as a thumbnail. If reader is interested they may click on it and view it full size. I'm sure it's some kind of service available.
Seems the ones griping for change, I have seen posting on the BS threads.
To make it even more simple, if you don't like seeing general stuff all over the page, post a m/c thread or comment on one.
Only thing I'm tired of is the whining.

[The emperor has no clothes]

If you like it read it. If you don't like it don't read it. Don't complain about what you don't read.

Dan

Simple as that ^^^^

It ain't broke so don't fix on it.
Only way to improve, which would help with the mc posts, is if it was easier to put up pictures.
Any better forum, anywhere? Not by a long shot.
Thanks to all who make this site available!

Pictures couldn't be simpler to post, open a photobucket account it is free plus if your computer crashes you will still have them,then all you have to do is copy and paste.

Actually, they could be simpler. Athough I use Photobucket and it works fine, many sites just allow you to select a pic from one's own computer...no need to even navigate to and open Photobucket.

I agree that picture posting is an issue, mainly because FB makes is easy to upload straight from one's computer.  I've brought it up on numerous occasions to other staffers.  Unfortunately, if we were to do that our board would slow to a crawl.  One solution would be to delete old posts, but we've been reluctant to do that.  

This is just my opinion, which means squat. I would hate for you guys to delete old posts. Every once in a while an old one with some of our deceased members will pop up. I don't know why, but it makes me feel good to reread a post from RJ or DonaldCC. Posting pics were impossible for me until Wiggy walked me thru it. Now it seems easy. Wiggy put up a tutorial for dinosaurs like me. If someone really wants to put up a pic they can by following his guide.  

[f6gal]

If you like it read it. If you don't like it don't read it. Don't complain about what you don't read.

Dan

Simple as that ^^^^

It ain't broke so don't fix on it.
Only way to improve, which would help with the mc posts, is if it was easier to put up pictures.
Any better forum, anywhere? Not by a long shot.
Thanks to all who make this site available!

Pictures couldn't be simpler to post, open a photobucket account it is free plus if your computer crashes you will still have them,then all you have to do is copy and paste.

Actually, they could be simpler. Athough I use Photobucket and it works fine, many sites just allow you to select a pic from one's own computer...no need to even navigate to and open Photobucket.

I agree that picture posting is an issue, mainly because FB makes is easy to upload straight from one's computer.  I've brought it up on numerous occasions to other staffers.  Unfortunately, if we were to do that our board would slow to a crawl.  One solution would be to delete old posts, but we've been reluctant to do that.  

This is just my opinion, which means squat. I would hate for you guys to delete old posts. Every once in a while an old one with some of our deceased members will pop up. I don't know why, but it makes me feel good to reread a post from RJ or DonaldCC. Posting pics were impossible for me until Wiggy walked me thru it. Now it seems easy. Wiggy put up a tutorial for dinosaurs like me. If someone really wants to put up a pic they can by following his guide.  

I believe Scott posted a tutorial, it's pinned to the top.

Edit:  I just looked at the tutorial, I guess some ppl were still having issues.  If someone wants to send me a simple tutorial, I will pin it to the top. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

If you like it read it. If you don't like it don't read it. Don't complain about what you don't read.

Dan

Simple as that ^^^^

It ain't broke so don't fix on it.
Only way to improve, which would help with the mc posts, is if it was easier to put up pictures.
Any better forum, anywhere? Not by a long shot.
Thanks to all who make this site available!

Pictures couldn't be simpler to post, open a photobucket account it is free plus if your computer crashes you will still have them,then all you have to do is copy and paste.

Actually, they could be simpler. Athough I use Photobucket and it works fine, many sites just allow you to select a pic from one's own computer...no need to even navigate to and open Photobucket.

I agree that picture posting is an issue, mainly because FB makes is easy to upload straight from one's computer.  I've brought it up on numerous occasions to other staffers.  Unfortunately, if we were to do that our board would slow to a crawl.  One solution would be to delete old posts, but we've been reluctant to do that.  

This is just my opinion, which means squat. I would hate for you guys to delete old posts. Every once in a while an old one with some of our deceased members will pop up. I don't know why, but it makes me feel good to reread a post from RJ or DonaldCC. Posting pics were impossible for me until Wiggy walked me thru it. Now it seems easy. Wiggy put up a tutorial for dinosaurs like me. If someone really wants to put up a pic they can by following his guide.  

I believe Scott posted a tutorial, it's pinned to the top.

If I remember that was for photostash. I tried over and over ,off and on for 3 years doing that. I finally just gave up. It probably seems simple for many. But I would get things like saying the file size was too big. And some other issues. I couldn't figure out how to fix the issues. For computer illiterate people like me photobucket is the bomb. Previously I kind of figured out Dropbox, but it would only show to me half the time. I'm here to declare, if any of you are having problems posting pics follow Wiggy's photobucket guide. 

[f6gal]

If I remember that was for photostash. I tried over and over ,off and on for 3 years doing that. I finally just gave up. It probably seems simple for many. But I would get things like saying the file size was too big. And some other issues. I couldn't figure out how to fix the issues. For computer illiterate people like me photobucket is the bomb. Previously I kind of figured out Dropbox, but it would only show to me half the time. I'm here to declare, if any of you are having problems posting pics follow Wiggy's photobucket guide. 

You missed my edit to my post.

[The emperor has no clothes]

If I remember that was for photostash. I tried over and over ,off and on for 3 years doing that. I finally just gave up. It probably seems simple for many. But I would get things like saying the file size was too big. And some other issues. I couldn't figure out how to fix the issues. For computer illiterate people like me photobucket is the bomb. Previously I kind of figured out Dropbox, but it would only show to me half the time. I'm here to declare, if any of you are having problems posting pics follow Wiggy's photobucket guide. 

You missed my edit to my post.

that's one of the problems with being a one finger, computer illiterate . Everybody is doing circles around me . I'm going to search for Wiggy's post. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

If you like it read it. If you don't like it don't read it. Don't complain about what you don't read.

Dan

Simple as that ^^^^

It ain't broke so don't fix on it.
Only way to improve, which would help with the mc posts, is if it was easier to put up pictures.
Any better forum, anywhere? Not by a long shot.
Thanks to all who make this site available!

Pictures couldn't be simpler to post, open a photobucket account it is free plus if your computer crashes you will still have them,then all you have to do is copy and paste.

Actually, they could be simpler. Athough I use Photobucket and it works fine, many sites just allow you to select a pic from one's own computer...no need to even navigate to and open Photobucket.

I agree that picture posting is an issue, mainly because FB makes is easy to upload straight from one's computer.  I've brought it up on numerous occasions to other staffers.  Unfortunately, if we were to do that our board would slow to a crawl.  One solution would be to delete old posts, but we've been reluctant to do that.  

This is just my opinion, which means squat. I would hate for you guys to delete old posts. Every once in a while an old one with some of our deceased members will pop up. I don't know why, but it makes me feel good to reread a post from RJ or DonaldCC. Posting pics were impossible for me until Wiggy walked me thru it. Now it seems easy. Wiggy put up a tutorial for dinosaurs like me. If someone really wants to put up a pic they can by following his guide.  

I believe Scott posted a tutorial, it's pinned to the top.

Edit:  I just looked at the tutorial, I guess some ppl were still having issues.  If someone wants to send me a simple tutorial, I will pin it to the top. 

Connie, this was Wiggy's tutorial.
http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,85788.msg843953.html#top

[hubcapsc]

I agree that picture posting is an issue, mainly because FB makes is easy to upload straight from one's computer.

Facebook is housed in Sun Microsystem's old campus, plus their new facility
which you can't see all of from one place because it stretches beyond the curvature
of the earth. Y'all barely have a fourth of those resources...

-Mike

[f6gal]

I agree that picture posting is an issue, mainly because FB makes is easy to upload straight from one's computer.

Facebook is housed in Sun Microsystem's old campus, plus their new facility
which you can't see all of from one place because it stretches beyond the curvature
of the earth. Y'all barely have a fourth of those resources...

-Mike

A fourth... LOL; we wish.