Maybe something both parties can get behind?

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

President Trump has announced there will be a major investigation into possible illegal voting in the November federal election.

I would think this is one issue that Democrats and Republicans would be in complete agreement on. The Democrats seem to believe the only election problems we had were Wikileaks showing the public how dishonest Hillary and her party leaders were. If they really believe this, then they will welcome an investigation proving no illegals, felons or otherwise prohibited people voted.

Those such as myself who believe millions of non-citizens may have voted in our election will also support this investigation I'm sure.

Only those who believe there was fraud and want to hide it would have a reason to oppose an investigation as far as I can see.

Also, since the Dems believe no fraud happened there is no reason for them to oppose some serious penalties for those, if any, who are found guilty.  I think a 20 year prison sentence for non-citizens who voted would be fair. Those found guilty could be offered permanent deportation with the understanding that if they ever again cross our border they will serve the 20 years.

American citizens who committed or helped commit voter fraud should also pay a stiff price and be subject to a lifetime ban on working for political parties or having anything to do with the voting process, including voting.

Perhaps there is something I'm missing but this is how I see it.

[baldo]

President Trump has announced there will be a major investigation into possible illegal voting in the November federal election.

I would think this is one issue that Democrats and Republicans would be in complete agreement on. The Democrats seem to believe the only election problems we had were Wikileaks showing the public how dishonest Hillary and her party leaders were. If they really believe this, then they will welcome an investigation proving no illegals, felons or otherwise prohibited people voted.

Those such as myself who believe millions of non-citizens may have voted in our election will also support this investigation I'm sure.

Only those who believe there was fraud and want to hide it would have a reason to oppose an investigation as far as I can see.

Also, since the Dems believe no fraud happened there is no reason for them to oppose some serious penalties for those, if any, who are found guilty.  I think a 20 year prison sentence for non-citizens who voted would be fair. Those found guilty could be offered permanent deportation with the understanding that if they ever again cross our border they will serve the 20 years.

American citizens who committed or helped commit voter fraud should also pay a stiff price and be subject to a lifetime ban on working for political parties or having anything to do with the voting process, including voting.

Perhaps there is something I'm missing but this is how I see it.

I want him to push this with every resource at his disposal. If he comes up with undeniable proof, real proof, then nail them to the wall.

On the other hand, if it just turns out to be more of his BS, nail HIS ass to the wall. He'd better be real careful what battles he picks to fight. They might come back to bite him.

Oh yeah, no alternative facts....LOLOLOL.........

[Moonshot_1]

This is more complex than many believe.

First, there was no Federal Election in November.  The only Federal Election is when the Electors vote in the Electoral College vote. All other voting in this country is either state, county or local.

Second, other than the likes of anti discriminatory laws, the Federal government, at least I don't believe, has any jurisdictional authority over State elections and only limited authority in criminal cases like voter fraud and similar offenses.

Investigating the suspected voter fraud and vote manipulation will be difficult. I do believe that the voter fraud is rampant. Particularly in California. Perhaps RICO laws will have to be used.

Of course by now, any evidence should be long gone or is now being disposed of which will add to the difficulty.

That said, we basically just witnessed Pres. Trump saying he believes there was rampant voter fraud.
The media demanded that he prove it.
Pres. Trump said OK. I will.

The media did ask.

I expect to see Sessions on this pretty quick.

[Master Blaster]

Don't know who you are for, but it is the Demo's that want voting sans ID's, just show up and vote.  Here the last election, the voting machines were switching the votes from Rep to Demo, and if you didn't look before you pulled the lever you voted Democrat.  Funny how that just happened, and the monitors just said it was a machine problem.  

[Gavin_Sons]

President Trump has announced there will be a major investigation into possible illegal voting in the November federal election.

I would think this is one issue that Democrats and Republicans would be in complete agreement on. The Democrats seem to believe the only election problems we had were Wikileaks showing the public how dishonest Hillary and her party leaders were. If they really believe this, then they will welcome an investigation proving no illegals, felons or otherwise prohibited people voted.

Those such as myself who believe millions of non-citizens may have voted in our election will also support this investigation I'm sure.

Only those who believe there was fraud and want to hide it would have a reason to oppose an investigation as far as I can see.

Also, since the Dems believe no fraud happened there is no reason for them to oppose some serious penalties for those, if any, who are found guilty.  I think a 20 year prison sentence for non-citizens who voted would be fair. Those found guilty could be offered permanent deportation with the understanding that if they ever again cross our border they will serve the 20 years.

American citizens who committed or helped commit voter fraud should also pay a stiff price and be subject to a lifetime ban on working for political parties or having anything to do with the voting process, including voting.

Perhaps there is something I'm missing but this is how I see it.

I want him to push this with every resource at his disposal. If he comes up with undeniable proof, real proof, then nail them to the wall.

On the other hand, if it just turns out to be more of his BS, nail HIS ass to the wall. He'd better be real careful what battles he picks to fight. They might come back to bite him.

Oh yeah, no alternative facts....LOLOLOL.........

I don't think she means " alternative facts" as you think she does. The alternative are still facts.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I don't think she means " alternative facts" as you think she does. The alternative are still facts.

There is factual information or there is nonfactual information. THERE ARE NO ALTERNATIVE FACTS !

[baldo]

President Trump has announced there will be a major investigation into possible illegal voting in the November federal election.

I would think this is one issue that Democrats and Republicans would be in complete agreement on. The Democrats seem to believe the only election problems we had were Wikileaks showing the public how dishonest Hillary and her party leaders were. If they really believe this, then they will welcome an investigation proving no illegals, felons or otherwise prohibited people voted.

Those such as myself who believe millions of non-citizens may have voted in our election will also support this investigation I'm sure.

Only those who believe there was fraud and want to hide it would have a reason to oppose an investigation as far as I can see.

Also, since the Dems believe no fraud happened there is no reason for them to oppose some serious penalties for those, if any, who are found guilty.  I think a 20 year prison sentence for non-citizens who voted would be fair. Those found guilty could be offered permanent deportation with the understanding that if they ever again cross our border they will serve the 20 years.

American citizens who committed or helped commit voter fraud should also pay a stiff price and be subject to a lifetime ban on working for political parties or having anything to do with the voting process, including voting.

Perhaps there is something I'm missing but this is how I see it.

I want him to push this with every resource at his disposal. If he comes up with undeniable proof, real proof, then nail them to the wall.

On the other hand, if it just turns out to be more of his BS, nail HIS ass to the wall. He'd better be real careful what battles he picks to fight. They might come back to bite him.

Oh yeah, no alternative facts....LOLOLOL.........

I don't think she means " alternative facts" as you think she does. The alternative are still facts.

[Pete]

If one presents all the facts then there are no alternative facts.
If one presents only the facts that are positive to there position then there are other or alternative facts.

These can be referred to as facts for an alternative position or alternative facts.

Wake up folks and learn to read and think.


Good post Frye thanks

[The emperor has no clothes]

If one presents all the facts then there are no alternative facts.
If one presents only the facts that are positive to there position then there are other or alternative facts.

These can be referred to as facts for an alternative position or alternative facts.

Wake up folks and learn to read and think.

Facts are truths. Alternative facts are untruths. Wake up and learn to read and think.


Here's where we get to the origin of the idea of an "alternative fact." In 1949, George Orwell wrote the novel 1984, which portrays a totalitarian state that limited freedom of thought by creating its own language called "Newspeak." The political purpose of of Newspeak was to reduce the English language to simple concepts that reinforced the totalitarian dominance of the State. Moreover, words with negative meanings were removed, such that "bad" became "ungood".

In the current "Newspeak" that Ms Conway called "alternative facts" on Sunday,  falsehoods lose their negative connotation and become facts—albeit alternative facts. The new administration's efforts at mind control begins.

[Moonshot_1]

The oddest thing about voter fraud and voter ID laws and such is the Electoral College.

If you wish to get rid of the Electoral College the first step would be National voter ID.

If you wish to keep the Electoral College you would not necessarily want National Voter ID because it would be the first step to a Popular vote format.

[Moonshot_1]

The oddest thing about voter fraud and voter ID laws and such is the Electoral College.

If you wish to get rid of the Electoral College the first step would be National voter ID.

If you wish to keep the Electoral College you would not necessarily want National Voter ID because it would be the first step to a Popular vote format.

[baldo]

If one presents all the facts then there are no alternative facts.
If one presents only the facts that are positive to there position then there are other or alternative facts.

These can be referred to as facts for an alternative position or alternative facts.

Wake up folks and learn to read and think.


Good post Frye thanks

I couldn't have said it better myself.

I hope he doesn't use the same guys he used in Hawaii.....

[Oss]

Moonshot and Meathead I respectfully disagree with you and find myself in agreement with Frye, Pete and Baldo on this one

The phrase alternative facts is an odd choice of words

Truly the one side uses certain items they consider "facts"
and the other side says Wait a cotton pickin minute you forgot these "facts" which change everything

Frye you said it pretty well  Kudos

As to voter ID I am in favor, you cant go on a plane without ID and voting is more important that going on a plane

I dont want the electoral college to dissapear, it keeps one state from making others inconsequential, necessary for any republic to survive

As to Trump wishing to investigate voter fraud. It should ALWAYS be something all american citizens should be very concerned about
I am concerned that non citizens are voting and also that dead people vote.

Oss out

[Valker]

If one presents all the facts then there are no alternative facts.
If one presents only the facts that are positive to there position then there are other or alternative facts.

These can be referred to as facts for an alternative position or alternative facts.

Wake up folks and learn to read and think.

Facts are truths. Alternative facts are untruths. Wake up and learn to read and think.


Here's where we get to the origin of the idea of an "alternative fact." In 1949, George Orwell wrote the novel 1984, which portrays a totalitarian state that limited freedom of thought by creating its own language called "Newspeak." The political purpose of of Newspeak was to reduce the English language to simple concepts that reinforced the totalitarian dominance of the State. Moreover, words with negative meanings were removed, such that "bad" became "ungood".

In the current "Newspeak" that Ms Conway called "alternative facts" on Sunday,  falsehoods lose their negative connotation and become facts—albeit alternative facts. The new administration's efforts at mind control begins.

Crock... Fact: I did NOT vote for Clinton. Who did I support? Alternative fact: I did not vote for Trump. Both true, but the first statement led to an assumption.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Moonshot and Meathead I respectfully disagree with you and find myself in agreement with Frye, Pete and Baldo on this one

The phrase alternative facts is an odd choice of words

Truly the one side uses certain items they consider "facts"
and the other side says Wait a cotton pickin minute you forgot these "facts" which change everything

Frye you said it pretty well  Kudos

As to voter ID I am in favor, you cant go on a plane without ID and voting is more important that going on a plane

I dont want the electoral college to dissapear, it keeps one state from making others inconsequential, necessary for any republic to survive

As to Trump wishing to investigate voter fraud. It should ALWAYS be something all american citizens should be very concerned about
I am concerned that non citizens are voting and also that dead people vote.

Oss out

My friend, Sean Spicer said things that were not true during his Saturday press briefing. For Conway to come out the next day and call them "alternative facts" makes them no less untrue. If ANYBODY has evidence of 3-5 million illegal voters I would love to see it. If ANYBODY has evidence of any non citizens or dead people voting I would love to see it.

[The emperor has no clothes]

If one presents all the facts then there are no alternative facts.
If one presents only the facts that are positive to there position then there are other or alternative facts.

These can be referred to as facts for an alternative position or alternative facts.

Wake up folks and learn to read and think.

Facts are truths. Alternative facts are untruths. Wake up and learn to read and think.


Here's where we get to the origin of the idea of an "alternative fact." In 1949, George Orwell wrote the novel 1984, which portrays a totalitarian state that limited freedom of thought by creating its own language called "Newspeak." The political purpose of of Newspeak was to reduce the English language to simple concepts that reinforced the totalitarian dominance of the State. Moreover, words with negative meanings were removed, such that "bad" became "ungood".

In the current "Newspeak" that Ms Conway called "alternative facts" on Sunday,  falsehoods lose their negative connotation and become facts—albeit alternative facts. The new administration's efforts at mind control begins.

Crock... Fact: I did NOT vote for Clinton. Who did I support? Alternative fact: I did not vote for Trump. Both true, but the first statement led to an assumption.

If you made an assumption , it is just that an assumption.

[Moonshot_1]

As to voter ID. I am opposed to a required National Voter ID to vote in a State Election. I do believe, in principal, that the Federal government cannot deny a State the right to institute an otherwise Constitutional Voter ID law for their State.

You do not need a Federal ID to board a plane. Your State photo ID does the job.

I applaud the Trump administration for looking to investigate Voter Fraud. But there are few mechanisms available for him or the Justice Department to use. I do not believe this is in the Federal arena as to criminality but a State issue and that is where the rub is. Even if when rampant fraud is discovered, does the Federal Government have any jurisdiction?

The only way this could be achieved is maybe the use of RICO laws and maybe that is where this is headed.

But I'm in the cheap seats, so what do I know?

[3fan4life]

Re: Maybe something both parties can get behind?

Judging from the comments so far, I'd have to say that the answer is NO.

[JimC]

In the current "Newspeak" that Ms Conway called "alternative facts" on Sunday,  falsehoods lose their negative connotation and become facts—albeit alternative facts. The new administration's efforts at mind control begins.

Just what do you think the Democrats and their hired media have been doing for the last 8 years?

Personally, I think the president is using the bait and switch on the liberals, he threw out the voter fraud to get them riled up while he signed the presidential orders on immigration and the wall.

I am starting to believe he is a lot smarter than we realized.

Jim

[The emperor has no clothes]

Re: Maybe something both parties can get behind?

Judging from the comments so far, I'd have to say that the answer is NO.

Regarding the OP, I have no problem with investigating voter fraud. In fact, I welcome it. If he is going to make statements that 3-5 million people voted illegally he ought to have some evidence.

[The emperor has no clothes]

In the current "Newspeak" that Ms Conway called "alternative facts" on Sunday,  falsehoods lose their negative connotation and become facts—albeit alternative facts. The new administration's efforts at mind control begins.

Just what do you think the Democrats and their hired media have been doing for the last 8 years?

Personally, I think the president is using the bait and switch on the liberals, he threw out the voter fraud to get them riled up while he signed the presidential orders on immigration and the wall.

I am starting to believe he is a lot smarter than we realized.

Jim

So, you are in agreement he lied ?

[Rams]

I want him to push this with every resource at his disposal. If he comes up with undeniable proof, real proof, then nail them to the wall.

On the other hand, if it just turns out to be more of his BS, nail HIS ass to the wall. He'd better be real careful what battles he picks to fight. They might come back to bite him.

On this, we agree.   As to whether or not there is BS involved, let the investigation move forth and then let the cards fall where they may.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

I want him to push this with every resource at his disposal. If he comes up with undeniable proof, real proof, then nail them to the wall.

On the other hand, if it just turns out to be more of his BS, nail HIS ass to the wall. He'd better be real careful what battles he picks to fight. They might come back to bite him.

On this, we agree.   As to whether or not there is BS involved, let the investigation move forth and then let the cards fall where they may.  

His "investigation" of Obama's birth went on for years only for him to have to put out a hostage video admitting he was born in Hawaii. You can bet there is BS involved.

[Pete]

Liberal demorats cannot stand the thought of a fair investigation into voter fraud and will resist and defame any and all who try to do an investigation.

See it has already started.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Liberal demorats cannot stand the thought of a fair investigation into voter fraud and will resist and defame any and all who try to do an investigation.

See it has already started.

He defamed himself just fine. No effort needed. 

[therapist]

Another conspiracy theory based on no facts. He has this delusion because a narcissist
cannot admit defeat. It is killing him that he lost the popular vote. Taxpayers will pay for this folly.
It is called decompensation, please educate yourselves so you won't be surprised when
this house of cards comes tumbling down.

http://samvak.tripod.com/indifference.html

[Oss]

Mike I didnt say federal id

I just said that I am in favor of ID, and yes I would be ok with a State ID but how can a State confirm you are a citizen without looking to the federal database?

I really dont know how they would interface with each other but what we have now with the courts shooting down id rules aint workin

One suggestion is that if everyone registers at 18 for some kind of public service to the government then we have a baseline and just have to add people who are given citizenship to that list

[Moonshot_1]

Mike I didnt say federal id

I just said that I am in favor of ID, and yes I would be ok with a State ID but how can a State confirm you are a citizen without looking to the federal database?

I really dont know how they would interface with each other but what we have now with the courts shooting down id rules aint workin

One suggestion is that if everyone registers at 18 for some kind of public service to the government then we have a baseline and just have to add people who are given citizenship to that list

Its just typically the topic is framed within the Federal context. That is pretty much the point I am trying to make, that this is a complex issue as there are Constitutional and jurisdictional considerations between the Federal Government and State governments when it comes to voting laws.

Frankly, the voter fraud issue is at the political party level. Precincts of party strongholds often have Party members work the polling places. This how much of the fraud and manipulation occurs and why it is simple to get away with it in areas where a particular political party rules. Unless there is a challenge to the vote count, no one would ever know.
Because it isn't just illegal voters casting ballots. It is corrupt poll workers, usually associated or members of one political party or another, destroying ballots, miscounting ballots, manipulating counts, "misplacing" ballots and allowing multiple votes and the like.

My opinion is that this is where the Federal Government, through RICO laws, can have a great effect.
To make these acts Federal Felonies and hold a corrupt political party that is proven to have actively support such acts accountable.







As to confirming citizenship, a birth certificate or similar legal document would suffice. That would be up to the State to determine.

[baldo]

In the current "Newspeak" that Ms Conway called "alternative facts" on Sunday,  falsehoods lose their negative connotation and become facts—albeit alternative facts. The new administration's efforts at mind control begins.

Just what do you think the Democrats and their hired media have been doing for the last 8 years?

Personally, I think the president is using the bait and switch on the liberals, he threw out the voter fraud to get them riled up while he signed the presidential orders on immigration and the wall.

I am starting to believe he is a lot smarter than we realized.

Jim

 

[baldo]

Liberal demorats cannot stand the thought of a fair investigation into voter fraud and will resist and defame any and all who try to do an investigation.

See it has already started.

Since this thread is all over the place, how has it already started? I've kind of lost track....

[Wizzard]

President Trump has announced there will be a major investigation into possible illegal voting in the November federal election.

I would think this is one issue that Democrats and Republicans would be in complete agreement on. The Democrats seem to believe the only election problems we had were Wikileaks showing the public how dishonest Hillary and her party leaders were. If they really believe this, then they will welcome an investigation proving no illegals, felons or otherwise prohibited people voted.

Those such as myself who believe millions of non-citizens may have voted in our election will also support this investigation I'm sure.

Only those who believe there was fraud and want to hide it would have a reason to oppose an investigation as far as I can see.

Also, since the Dems believe no fraud happened there is no reason for them to oppose some serious penalties for those, if any, who are found guilty.  I think a 20 year prison sentence for non-citizens who voted would be fair. Those found guilty could be offered permanent deportation with the understanding that if they ever again cross our border they will serve the 20 years.

American citizens who committed or helped commit voter fraud should also pay a stiff price and be subject to a lifetime ban on working for political parties or having anything to do with the voting process, including voting.

Perhaps there is something I'm missing but this is how I see it.

I want him to push this with every resource at his disposal. If he comes up with undeniable proof, real proof, then nail them to the wall.

On the other hand, if it just turns out to be more of his BS, nail HIS ass to the wall. He'd better be real careful what battles he picks to fight. They might come back to bite him.
]

Wow,, if only we could get the Dem's to be that responsible for all their actions over the last 8 years

[Skinhead]

If one presents all the facts then there are no alternative facts.
If one presents only the facts that are positive to there position then there are other or alternative facts.

These can be referred to as facts for an alternative position or alternative facts.

Wake up folks and learn to read and think.

Facts are truths. Alternative facts are untruths. Wake up and learn to read and think.


Here's where we get to the origin of the idea of an "alternative fact." In 1949, George Orwell wrote the novel 1984, which portrays a totalitarian state that limited freedom of thought by creating its own language called "Newspeak." The political purpose of of Newspeak was to reduce the English language to simple concepts that reinforced the totalitarian dominance of the State. Moreover, words with negative meanings were removed, such that "bad" became "ungood".

In the current "Newspeak" that Ms Conway called "alternative facts" on Sunday,  falsehoods lose their negative connotation and become facts—albeit alternative facts. The new administration's efforts at mind control begins.

Just like a liberal, use FICTION to support their argument/beliefs.

 

[baldo]

If one presents all the facts then there are no alternative facts.
If one presents only the facts that are positive to there position then there are other or alternative facts.

These can be referred to as facts for an alternative position or alternative facts.

Wake up folks and learn to read and think.

Facts are truths. Alternative facts are untruths. Wake up and learn to read and think.


Here's where we get to the origin of the idea of an "alternative fact." In 1949, George Orwell wrote the novel 1984, which portrays a totalitarian state that limited freedom of thought by creating its own language called "Newspeak." The political purpose of of Newspeak was to reduce the English language to simple concepts that reinforced the totalitarian dominance of the State. Moreover, words with negative meanings were removed, such that "bad" became "ungood".

In the current "Newspeak" that Ms Conway called "alternative facts" on Sunday,  falsehoods lose their negative connotation and become facts—albeit alternative facts. The new administration's efforts at mind control begins.

Just like a liberal, use FICTION to support their argument/beliefs.

 

Lolol......talk about missing the boat....

[Pete]

Liberal demorats cannot stand the thought of a fair investigation into voter fraud and will resist and defame any and all who try to do an investigation.

See it has already started.

Since this thread is all over the place, how has it already started? I've kind of lost track....

This thread contains multiple denials by multiple persons who may or may not have seen the actual reports of fraud in the election process by various news reports. But yet they deny the ANY fraud has occurred.

There is NO question that there was some fraud, what we do not know is HOW much and how often. Yet they mock and deny that ANY happened. Bull $hit.

A simple investigation can and will reveal much of what we need to know. (not all)
Compare the voter names against the list of live US citizens, in ever state. 

For the rest:
On mail in votes compare the hand writing to real samples from the actual voter.
Perform actual validation testing on failed and reported failing voting machines before recalibration.
Investigate those voting areas and persons where fraud appears to have occurred, rather than ignoring it.
Follow up surveys to voters to see if they really voted.
And there are others.

Trust me the liberal demorat party does NOT want an investigation, because of what it will reveal. And they will fight tooth and nail to stop an investigation. At any cost.

[..]

In the current "Newspeak" that Ms Conway called "alternative facts" on Sunday,  falsehoods lose their negative connotation and become facts—albeit alternative facts. The new administration's efforts at mind control begins.

Like these facts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c

[The emperor has no clothes]

Liberal demorats cannot stand the thought of a fair investigation into voter fraud and will resist and defame any and all who try to do an investigation.

See it has already started.

Since this thread is all over the place, how has it already started? I've kind of lost track....

This thread contains multiple denials by multiple persons who may or may not have seen the actual reports of fraud in the election process by various news reports. But yet they deny the ANY fraud has occurred.

There is NO question that there was some fraud, what we do not know is HOW much and how often. Yet they mock and deny that ANY happened. Bull $hit.

A simple investigation can and will reveal much of what we need to know. (not all)
Compare the voter names against the list of live US citizens, in ever state. 

For the rest:
On mail in votes compare the hand writing to real samples from the actual voter.
Perform actual validation testing on failed and reported failing voting machines before recalibration.
Investigate those voting areas and persons where fraud appears to have occurred, rather than ignoring it.
Follow up surveys to voters to see if they really voted.
And there are others.

Trust me the liberal demorat party does NOT want an investigation, because of what it will reveal. And they will fight tooth and nail to stop an investigation. At any cost.

I have no doubt there is SOME voter fraud. I suspect it is in the hundreds nation wide. I suspect it is also mostly from unscrupulous campaign people doing fraudulent absentee or mail in ballots. This would be a LONG ways from 3-5 million illegal aliens voting. If Trump has evidence or if anybody has evidence it is their duty to bring it forward. I welcome that.

[Gavin_Sons]

I think it is more than hundreds. If it was only 1-999 then i would not be an issue. 2-3 million is kind of out there but possible. I'm betting more on 500k to a million. You have even commented you voted several times. Maybe they can investigate you. I'll go ahead and send them your name.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I think it is more than hundreds. If it was only 1-999 then i would not be an issue. 2-3 million is kind of out there but possible. I'm betting more on 500k to a million. You have even commented you voted several times. Maybe they can investigate you. I'll go ahead and send them your name.

I know all us liberals look alike to you. But I believe you are confusing me with somebody else. But yes you can have Trump investigate me if you wish.  How much would you like to wager on your 500k-1million prediction ?

[Oss]

Rob,

Voter fraud should include voting machines that cancel or count votes wrongly ( they had to be programed to do that) as well as those who signed registration forms that went to the polls and were signed by whoever knowing that the person was indeed not eligible to vote

It would not surprise me to see whole voting precincts in major metropolitan areas totally corrupted

And lest you forget I am still a registered Democrat disgusted with what has happened to my party

[The emperor has no clothes]

Rob,

Voter fraud should include voting machines that cancel or count votes wrongly ( they had to be programed to do that) as well as those who signed registration forms that went to the polls and were signed by whoever knowing that the person was indeed not eligible to vote

It would not surprise me to see whole voting precincts in major metropolitan areas totally corrupted

And lest you forget I am still a registered Democrat disgusted with what has happened to my party

Evan, I would agree with all that. As you know it's our Sec. Of States that run each states election. I think all of them take their responsibility strongly. I think they run elections well and on the up and up. Yes I think some fraud slips thru. The studies that Trump is citing as evidence of voter fraud is nothing close. Yes there are people that are registered in different places. That doesn't mean they or somebody voted in all those places. Yes there are deceased people still on the registration. That doesn't mean somebody voted for them. I have moved at least a dozen times in my life. I've never canceled my registration from where I moved from. When my Dad died I never cancelled his registration. If this is what Trump wants to count as voter fraud I suspect the number is approaching 100 million.