Sorry to our Canadian Friends

[Roadog]

I think the people that want these refugees coming to our countries should take them in and be responsible for them. If they murder someone then the host family would be charged with murder along with the one who did it. All these people do is put a drain on our society and cost us millios and millions to take care of them. So if you want them here you pay for them and take 100% responsibility for their actions.

   First thing I think when I see all of these pro open borders people screaming to NOT build the wall.  Tell us,...how many do want to take into your homes, they can stay in your spare rooms .   Same with these hollywood folks , take these people in !   I dont want to pay for them to take my job or my childrens jobs.  Make NO mistake,...they are here to take YOUR jobs !  NO opportunity for them in mexico , they just want  "a better" life , well so do I and I am sure you do too.  JMHO.

Roadog

[Moonshot_1]

Should we also change the poem inscribed on the Statue of Liberty ?

Why not?  We've removed the 10 commandments and other symbols that were deemed offensive to some of the enlightened, Let's just cover the inscription for now, like all Christian symbols were, whenever obama spoke in their presence.

First thing that popped into my mind after reading your post.....

I read that the Catholic High School system in NYC, which also includes Nassau and Westchester counties, graduates more minority boys than the entire NYC public schools system.  And it was Hussein who put the stop to the voucher system I seem to recall.  Don't allow kids in failing schools to go to thriving schools where they may have to sit through a religion class once a week.  Don't allow kids to have a better chance because the public schools system would lose too much money.  That one is my favorite.  The local system here spends $38,000 per kid per year.  The Catholic school my kid goes to does it  for 1/3 the cost.  The most expensive Catholic school in the area does it for 1/2.  And they all do it better.  Why shouldn't that money be pulled out of a failing system and spent where it gets results.  I know, I know, throw more money at it.  If we spend $50,000, we'll get the results, or maybe $80,000.

This is the problem of Government. If you are not spending your own money, throwing more money at the problem is always the answer. Either it will fix the problem or, in virtually every case, create a bigger problem to worry about and throw money at.

[therapist]

Just keeps going on and on.  Sympathy's go out to our Canadian friends.   Looks like Muslim on Muslim as one of the shooter was a Moroccan and shouted allahu akbar.  My guess it has been some time in the planning like most are.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/30/suspect-in-quebec-mosque-terror-attack-was-moroccan-origin-report-shows.html

More "alternative facts" from TrumpNews. It was a white nationalist bigot that murdered 6 Muslims at a Canadian mosque.  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-mosque-shooting-toll-idUSKBN15E0F6

[Bighead]

Just keeps going on and on.  Sympathy's go out to our Canadian friends.   Looks like Muslim on Muslim as one of the shooter was a Moroccan and shouted allahu akbar.  My guess it has been some time in the planning like most are.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/30/suspect-in-quebec-mosque-terror-attack-was-moroccan-origin-report-shows.html

More "alternative facts" from TrumpNews. It was a white nationalist bigot that murdered 6 Muslims at a Canadian mosque.  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-mosque-shooting-toll-idUSKBN15E0F6

I didn't see one place in that article that called him a white nationalist Bigot did you?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Just keeps going on and on.  Sympathy's go out to our Canadian friends.   Looks like Muslim on Muslim as one of the shooter was a Moroccan and shouted allahu akbar.  My guess it has been some time in the planning like most are.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/30/suspect-in-quebec-mosque-terror-attack-was-moroccan-origin-report-shows.html

More "alternative facts" from TrumpNews. It was a white nationalist bigot that murdered 6 Muslims at a Canadian mosque.  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-mosque-shooting-toll-idUSKBN15E0F6

I didn't see one place in that article that called him a white nationalist Bigot did you?

https://theintercept.com/2017/01/30/suspect-in-quebec-mosque-attack-quickly-depicted-as-a-moroccan-muslim-hes-a-white-nationalist/

[Bighead]

Yep that one  said he was a white nationalist.

[Moonshot_1]

Just keeps going on and on.  Sympathy's go out to our Canadian friends.   Looks like Muslim on Muslim as one of the shooter was a Moroccan and shouted allahu akbar.  My guess it has been some time in the planning like most are.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/30/suspect-in-quebec-mosque-terror-attack-was-moroccan-origin-report-shows.html

More "alternative facts" from TrumpNews. It was a white nationalist bigot that murdered 6 Muslims at a Canadian mosque.  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-mosque-shooting-toll-idUSKBN15E0F6

And this is a perfect example of disingenuousness.

The Canadian police issued a statement about a suspect being of Moroccan descent and that was reported by Reuters. That report was reported by Fox as well as other media outlets. The Canadian police amended their report later saying that he was no longer a suspect.

You claim this was an intentional misrepresentation calling it "alternative facts". It obviously wasn't and you know it wasn't. At the time this was the information being given out by the Canadian authorities.

This is a tragedy. A horrific act committed by a crazy and demented person.

Trump immediately sent condolences to Canada and those who were victims.

To attribute to politics, to attribute this somehow to Trump is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

You want to discuss this stuff politically, let's talk Chicago. More death there than the war on terror.

[..]

Just keeps going on and on.  Sympathy's go out to our Canadian friends.   Looks like Muslim on Muslim as one of the shooter was a Moroccan and shouted allahu akbar.  My guess it has been some time in the planning like most are.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/01/30/suspect-in-quebec-mosque-terror-attack-was-moroccan-origin-report-shows.html

More "alternative facts" from TrumpNews. It was a white nationalist bigot that murdered 6 Muslims at a Canadian mosque.  http://www.reuters.com/article/us-canada-mosque-shooting-toll-idUSKBN15E0F6

And this is a perfect example of disingenuousness.

The Canadian police issued a statement about a suspect being of Moroccan descent and that was reported by Reuters. That report was reported by Fox as well as other media outlets. The Canadian police amended their report later saying that he was no longer a suspect.

You claim this was an intentional misrepresentation calling it "alternative facts". It obviously wasn't and you know it wasn't. At the time this was the information being given out by the Canadian authorities.

This is a tragedy. A horrific act committed by a crazy and demented person.

Trump immediately sent condolences to Canada and those who were victims.

To attribute to politics, to attribute this somehow to Trump is scraping the bottom of the barrel.

You want to discuss this stuff politically, let's talk Chicago. More death there than the war on terror.

 

Don't let a good crisis go to waste.

[therapist]

Friends and those who knew him online said he had extreme political beliefs, but was not known to be violent. Eric Debroise said he called police after the shooting and told them Bissonnette is “very right and (an) ultra nationalist white supremacist,” the French-language newspaper Le Journal de Quebec reports. “He really liked Trump and had a permanent discontent with the left.”

I'm calling for a Trump supporter travel ban, just until we can figure out what the hell is going on. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Friends and those who knew him online said he had extreme political beliefs, but was not known to be violent. Eric Debroise said he called police after the shooting and told them Bissonnette is “very right and (an) ultra nationalist white supremacist,” the French-language newspaper Le Journal de Quebec reports. “He really liked Trump and had a permanent discontent with the left.”

I'm calling for a Trump supporter travel ban, just until we can figure out what the hell is going on. 

Therapist, you are going to have them in a frenzy. 

[Moonshot_1]

Friends and those who knew him online said he had extreme political beliefs, but was not known to be violent. Eric Debroise said he called police after the shooting and told them Bissonnette is “very right and (an) ultra nationalist white supremacist,” the French-language newspaper Le Journal de Quebec reports. “He really liked Trump and had a permanent discontent with the left.”

I'm calling for a Trump supporter travel ban, just until we can figure out what the hell is going on. 

Read a report where he liked the Pope. I suppose you want to ban Catholics too.

Going after the Jews next are ya?

[therapist]

Did you notice the wink? Just using one of his campaign statements.

[baldo]

Did you notice the wink? Just using one of his campaign statements.

 

[fudgie]

Did you notice the wink? Just using one of his campaign statements.

Trump said he wanted a trump supporter ban?  ???

[therapist]

Did you notice the wink? Just using one of his campaign statements.

Trump said he wanted a trump supporter ban?  ???

He said, “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on,”

[Gavin_Sons]

Did you notice the wink? Just using one of his campaign statements.

Trump said he wanted a trump supporter ban?  ???

He said, “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on,”

Which is a lie  he never called for that

[Serk]

Did you notice the wink? Just using one of his campaign statements.

Trump said he wanted a trump supporter ban?  ???

He said, “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on,”

Which is a lie  he never called for that

It pains me to agree with the habitually incorrect person here, but he indeed did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRxozK6Bpvk

Of course, the current so-called "Muslim Ban" is NOTHING close to anything like that, but that doesn't stop those on the left from trying to confuse the issue.

[Gavin_Sons]

OK he might have called for it but is not what the EO did. He could have easily put a ban on all muslims.

[..]

Did you notice the wink? Just using one of his campaign statements.

Trump said he wanted a trump supporter ban?  ???

He said, “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on,”

Are you aware he said that over a year BEFORE becoming President?

Of course if you want to use that truthful STATEMENT as a measuring stick here's 65 LIES for you to compare with.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kg9m1F8B2_c

[The emperor has no clothes]

Did you notice the wink? Just using one of his campaign statements.

Trump said he wanted a trump supporter ban?  ???

He said, “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on,”

Which is a lie  he never called for that

It pains me to agree with the habitually incorrect person here, but he indeed did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRxozK6Bpvk

Of course, the current so-called "Muslim Ban" is NOTHING close to anything like that, but that doesn't stop those on the left from trying to confuse the issue.

I'm not too sure it's the "left" confusing the issue. Our President has made many conflicting statements on the issue, including the last couple of days.

[Gavin_Sons]

Did you notice the wink? Just using one of his campaign statements.

Trump said he wanted a trump supporter ban?  ???

He said, “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on,”

Which is a lie  he never called for that

It pains me to agree with the habitually incorrect person here, but he indeed did:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRxozK6Bpvk

Of course, the current so-called "Muslim Ban" is NOTHING close to anything like that, but that doesn't stop those on the left from trying to confuse the issue.

I'm not too sure it's the "left" confusing the issue. Our President has made many conflicting statements on the issue, including the last couple of days.

 :'(

[3fan4life]

I'm not too sure it's the "left" confusing the issue. Our President has made many conflicting statements on the issue, including the last couple of days.

If you only watch or read the MSM these days it would difinately seem that way.

And unfortunately it will probably be that way for his entire presidency.

I watched a few minutes of CBS news last night and could not believe the extent to which they were slanting the news.

Walter Cronkite is turning over in his grave!


I must admit though that I find watching the reactions from the left these days to be somewhat amusing.

The way that everything President Trump does or says has them twisting in the wind is comical.

They are now no different from the "Birthers" that they've spent the last 8 years denouncing. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I'm not too sure it's the "left" confusing the issue. Our President has made many conflicting statements on the issue, including the last couple of days.

If you only watch or read the MSM these days it would difinately seem that way.

And unfortunately it will probably be that way for his entire presidency.

I watched a few minutes of CBS news last night and could not believe the extent to which they were slanting the news.

Walter Cronkite is turning over in his grave!


I must admit though that I find watching the reactions from the left these days to be somewhat amusing.

The way that everything President Trump does or says has them twisting in the wind is comical.

They are now no different from the "Birthers" that they've spent the last 8 years denouncing. 

I know it's fashionable to hate the press right now. But I'm talking about the words that have come out of Trumps mouth and his twitter. (Kind of has a ring to it)

[Wizzard]

I am not going to do it,, but I bet I can come up with plenty of stuff Obama said that was conflicting or he did not do. It would make no point other than it seems some are just forgiving of this stuff for their own "bent" or party of choice or candidate or whatever. To be fair you have to be critical of anyone doing not keeping their word or backtracking. I am not defending anyone. Just stating a fact.

[3fan4life]

I'm not too sure it's the "left" confusing the issue. Our President has made many conflicting statements on the issue, including the last couple of days.

If you only watch or read the MSM these days it would difinately seem that way.

And unfortunately it will probably be that way for his entire presidency.

I watched a few minutes of CBS news last night and could not believe the extent to which they were slanting the news.

Walter Cronkite is turning over in his grave!


I must admit though that I find watching the reactions from the left these days to be somewhat amusing.

The way that everything President Trump does or says has them twisting in the wind is comical.

They are now no different from the "Birthers" that they've spent the last 8 years denouncing. 

I know it's fashionable to hate the press right now. But I'm talking about the words that have come out of Trumps mouth and his twitter. (Kind of has a ring to it)

Different pespectives at play I guess.

I signed up for a Twitter account just so I could follow his tweets.

Personally, I find them enlightening instead of confusing. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

I am not going to do it,, but I bet I can come up with plenty of stuff Obama said that was conflicting or he did not do. It would make no point other than it seems some are just forgiving of this stuff for their own "bent" or party of choice or candidate or whatever. To be fair you have to be critical of anyone doing not keeping their word or backtracking. I am not defending anyone. Just stating a fact.

You are correct my friend. Obama has said and done things that were conflicted. My point to Serk was that its not the media that is confusing the issue, but the President himself.

[bagelboy]

"For the first time since 1990, American manufacturers are creating new jobs. If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. The average family will save $2500/year in healthcare costs. I will close Guantomino.  I will have the most transparent administration." Lies, lies, lies. Has Trump lied yet, or just followed through with his promises?

[Alpha Dog]

Different pespectives at play I guess.

I signed up for a Twitter account just so I could follow his tweets.

Personally, I find them enlightening instead of confusing. 
[/quote]

My wife signed up for twitter last week for only his feeds. She will read them to me.  I find them very insightful about what he is thinking and his plans,  all with out a media filter which is most refreshing. Very concise and to the point.  I do not need a media maniac to decipher them for me.

[Moonshot_1]

I am not going to do it,, but I bet I can come up with plenty of stuff Obama said that was conflicting or he did not do. It would make no point other than it seems some are just forgiving of this stuff for their own "bent" or party of choice or candidate or whatever. To be fair you have to be critical of anyone doing not keeping their word or backtracking. I am not defending anyone. Just stating a fact.

You are correct my friend. Obama has said and done things that were conflicted. My point to Serk was that its not the media that is confusing the issue, but the President himself.

Well, I've been watching this stuff and this immigration issue is a great case in point. Trump does say this is an immigration ban and he defines it as temporary with the purpose of keeping this Country safe while we review the vetting process of immigrants from specific countries.

What I would get from CNN is this is presented as an immigration ban that has no purpose and is seemingly permanent in nature, and specific to Muslims.

The general media follows the CNN narrative. Few present this as the President's narrative which is the reality.

I have not been confused at all by President Trump's work or statements. He's talked about all this for months on end during the campaign. The issues that I have seen have been extremely minor in nature and have been over logistics and not on principal.

To believe the media you would think the Capitol is on fire and people are being crucified on the Hill.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Evidently you have overlooked the parts where it a ban and then it's not a ban. The parts where all from those 7 countries were to be "banned" but then later rescinded.

[..]

Evidently you have overlooked the parts where it a ban and then it's not a ban. The parts where all from those 7 countries were to be "banned" but then later rescinded.

http://www.snopes.com/trump-immigration-order-obama/

[Skinhead]

Friends and those who knew him online said he had extreme political beliefs, but was not known to be violent. Eric Debroise said he called police after the shooting and told them Bissonnette is “very right and (an) ultra nationalist white supremacist,” the French-language newspaper Le Journal de Quebec reports. “He really liked Trump and had a permanent discontent with the left.”

I'm calling for a Trump supporter travel ban, just until we can figure out what the hell is going on. 

Works for me, I ain't goin' no where!

[DirtyDan]

A permanent disconnect with the left........

Sounds good to me

Right turn only 

Dan

[Willow]

I cruised past this thread briefly this morning and almost locked it.  It's a true shame we don't seem to be able to discuss anything at all without a few folks (both sides) throwing in their political misconceptions.  My advice to all those on both sides is grow the f up.  We get it.  Some of us didn't vote for Donald Trump.  Some of us did.  For some of us we only sound more stupid, regardless of our alleged education when we take every word or action and twist it into something that astounds us.  Likewise when we post link after link to elsewhere expressing how biased the media is against Donald Trump it doesn't convince anyone who has made up his mind and it doesn't make us appear especially brilliant.

If you despised Barrack Obama and Hillary Clinton we get it. say it once and leave it alone.  If you didn't vote for Donald Trump and you can't stand what he says and does we get it.  Express it once and then leave it alone.  Let's give the President a couple of years and we'll see who is stupid and who is not.  Obviously what one side considers progress the other sees as catastrophe.  Both sides think the other side is stupid.  I certainly do.  We'll hold another election in three and a half years.  We can all express ourselves the correct way then.  Until then keep in mind that ridiculing someone else's political preference changes no one's mind.

Now on the original topic, anyone who believes that the acceptance or rejection of muslim immigrants is about freedom of religion simply doesn't understand what we're dealing with.  The people from certain cultures have been at war for thousands of years and they do almost universally believe that anyone who isn't part of their particular group is the enemy.  A very large percentage of them strongly believe that all those enemies need to be either converted or killed.        

[phideux]

I haven't seen the announcement. But I'm glad our northern neighbors are trying to save some women and children from the atrocities of war.

How about you and all the folks at the airports with signs and crap each volunteer to take in a refugee family or two. Feed them, clothe them, house them and be responsible legally for them?? You feel so strongly about it. I wouldn't trust our FBI and other "intelligence agencies" right now to vet Jesus Christ if he tried to come here. The FBI has even said that there is no way to vet these people. No matter what, these are people who don't want to assimilate to an American Culture and their beliefs are totally against what this country stand for. Why do you think none of the Middle East or other Muslim countries will take them in???? Don't you think they would be better off with people with their own beliefs, cultures and language??? Even the Muslims don't get along with Muslims, and they don't get along with us.

[Gavin_Sons]

I haven't seen the announcement. But I'm glad our northern neighbors are trying to save some women and children from the atrocities of war.

How about you and all the folks at the airports with signs and crap each volunteer to take in a refugee family or two. Feed them, clothe them, house them and be responsible legally for them?? You feel so strongly about it. I wouldn't trust our FBI and other "intelligence agencies" right now to vet Jesus Christ if he tried to come here. The FBI has even said that there is no way to vet these people. No matter what, these are people who don't want to assimilate to an American Culture and their beliefs are totally against what this country stand for. Why do you think none of the Middle East or other Muslim countries will take them in???? Don't you think they would be better off with people with their own beliefs, cultures and language??? Even the Muslims don't get along with Muslims, and they don't get along with us.

Meathead, can i ask you something?

You like to spout off about these women and children all the time. Why don't you do something about it if it bothers you so much? You could take a family or 2 in and be responsible for them, both legally and financially.  I'm sure i won't get an answer but it is worth a try.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Gavin, I have answered you about a gazzilion times. It always ends up badly. I'm trying to adhere to the "Willow Doctrine"

[baldo]

Gavin, I have answered you about a gazzilion times. It always ends up badly. I'm trying to adhere to the "Willow Doctrine"

"Willow Doctrine" .....lol...

[Gavin_Sons]

Gavin, I have answered you about a gazzilion times. It always ends up badly. I'm trying to adhere to the "Willow Doctrine"

See, no answer. I'm not surprised.

[3fan4life]

Gavin, I have answered you about a gazzilion times. It always ends up badly. I'm trying to adhere to the "Willow Doctrine"

I too have noticed a strong propensity to always make it about women and children.

And I've often considered asking you, Why that is?


We all bitch and moan here about things that we can do nothing about.

The truth for all of is that one is either part of the problem or they are part of the solution.


This is an area that if  you really feel that strongly about saving women and children, you can do something.

I am sure that there is still a way to sponsor an immigrant  family.

Why don't you look into it?

Then you would be part of the solution.


If you are not willing to do that, then you don't have any reason to be telling someone else that they should.

As a Nation We cannot continue to just expect the Government to fix everything.

We need to exercise personal responsibility.


Personally, I have little sympathy for the muslims that are caught up in this mess.

Just as I have little sympathy for a drug addict whose actions have left them destitute and homeless.

Whether you will admit it or not, It is their religion that has caused their plight.

I do have sympathy for the millions of Christians that are caught up in this mess and are being murdered by the hundreds daily.

I don't have the resources to take a Christian family from there into my home.

If I did, I would seriously consider doing so.

What I can do is find a group that does have the resources to help them and help that group to do so with whatever monetary donation that I can afford.


If the plight of the people from Syria really does bother you as much as your posts seem that it does, then do something about it.

As a matter of fact,  I'll issue a challenge right here and now:

If you will find a group that is supporting the plight of the refugees that you are so concerned about and support them with a monthly donation.

Then I will do the same.

Otherwise, stop complaining.

Remember, if you aren't part of the solution you are part of the problem.