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Interstate rear brake pads?

Started by Hook#3287, Wed 08, Feb 2017, 11:45:12

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Hook#3287

Has anyone used the Interstate rear brake pads on the front of their Standard or Tourer?

I'm ordering up some parts and don't want to order front pads if the I/S rears work.

Hook#3287

Just micked it up and it appears they won't work.

To bad, big diff in price, with the bigger I/S ones costing less  :uglystupid2:

The emperor has no clothes

The I/S rear pads are different than a standards ?

hubcapsc

Quote from: meathead on Wed 08, Feb 2017, 13:09:55
The I/S rear pads are different than a standards ?

The whole rear caliper is different. The Interstate pistons
are smaller for some reason...

-Mike "and the Interstate caliper is painted black!"

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: hubcapsc on Wed 08, Feb 2017, 13:21:31
Quote from: meathead on Wed 08, Feb 2017, 13:09:55
The I/S rear pads are different than a standards ?

The whole rear caliper is different. The Interstate pistons
are smaller for some reason...

-Mike "and the Interstate caliper is painted black!"
:o I haven't checked the piston size on mine, but it is silver just like my standard. (Well dirty silver  :-\)

98valk

calipers fully retracted they should fit. rear pads are 10mm thk, which is only 1.5mm thicker than front.

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,7487.0.html
1998 Std/Tourer, 2007 DR200SE, 1981 CB900C  10speed
1973 Duster 340 4-speed rare A/C, 2001 F250 4x4 7.3L, 6sp

"Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other."
John Adams 10/11/1798

hubcapsc

Quote from: meathead on Wed 08, Feb 2017, 13:59:50
-Mike "and the Interstate caliper is painted black!"
:o I haven't checked the piston size on mine, but it is silver just like my standard. (Well dirty silver  :-\)
[/quote]

Dang. Do you have one of those green ones like Stanley Steamer?
Maybe they didn't paint them black every year?

I got a black Interstate rear caliper from eBay numerous years ago,
I thought they were all that way. There came a day that I really wanted
the pistons out of it, but they turned out to be smaller than my 97
Tourer's pistons...

-Mike "so I missed Britman's Memorial Day ride that year..."

Bighead

Never took notice TIL now reading this but I looked ( as I am sitting in my garage ) mine are black and standard is silver :o
1997 Bumble Bee
1999 Interstate (sold)
2016 Wing

Hook#3287

Rear pads for a Standard/Tourer

http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/honda/HP-06435-MZ0-006.html    $35.87

Rear pads for a Interstate

http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/honda/HP-06435-MBY-671.html    $21.75

I have a new set of each and the only difference I can find is the price.


Michvalk

I know my 99 caliper was silver. Maybe the newer one's were black :cooldude:

Bighead

Quote from: Michvalk on Wed 08, Feb 2017, 20:13:48
I know my 99 caliper was silver. Maybe the newer one's were black :cooldude:
Mine is a '99
1997 Bumble Bee
1999 Interstate (sold)
2016 Wing

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: Hook#3287 on Wed 08, Feb 2017, 19:44:42
Rear pads for a Standard/Tourer

http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/honda/HP-06435-MZ0-006.html    $35.87

Rear pads for a Interstate

http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/honda/HP-06435-MBY-671.html    $21.75

I have a new set of each and the only difference I can find is the price.


Interesting  ;) I haven't bought OEM in a while. I've been going with these off of Amazon. They seem good.
https://www.amazon.com/KMG-1997-1999-Valkyrie-Tourer-Organic/dp/B00BSAP35S/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1486614501&sr=8-6&keywords=valkyrie+brake+pads

Hook#3287

Quote from: meathead on Wed 08, Feb 2017, 22:09:40
Quote from: Hook#3287 on Wed 08, Feb 2017, 19:44:42
Rear pads for a Standard/Tourer

http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/honda/HP-06435-MZ0-006.html    $35.87

Rear pads for a Interstate

http://www.partzilla.com/parts/detail/honda/HP-06435-MBY-671.html    $21.75

I have a new set of each and the only difference I can find is the price.


Interesting  ;) I haven't bought OEM in a while. I've been going with these off of Amazon. They seem good.
https://www.amazon.com/KMG-1997-1999-Valkyrie-Tourer-Organic/dp/B00BSAP35S/ref=sr_1_6?ie=UTF8&qid=1486614501&sr=8-6&keywords=valkyrie+brake+pads
I like the OEM's.  I feel the work the best.  I had a set of ECB on a bike I bought and they were noisey. 

Hook#3287

#13
Quote from: 98valk (aka CA) on Wed 08, Feb 2017, 14:01:26
calipers fully retracted they should fit. rear pads are 10mm thk, which is only 1.5mm thicker than front.

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,7487.0.html

The rear pads I just took out of the OEM package mic out at 12.4mm.

The new front pads I just installed in the front calipers I'm rebuilding for a buddy, mic out to 8.3mm.

I took the front ones out of the caliper and installed the rears with the cylinders all the way in, just to see and there's no way there's enough space for the rotor to fit.

My guess why the I/S rears are less cost is, Honda has never had to reorder and is still working on original stock.

falconbrother

I ordered organic front pads and installed them right before a multi day ride last summer.  Got into the Smokies, flying low down a mountain, laid on the front brakes hard for the next curve, they slowed me down but, smelled like they were on fire for a while.  I like them but, I sure don't expect them to last a long time.  I bought them cheap on Amazon.  Would I buy them again?  Heck yea.  

1999 IS

bill-jr

Do u use the shiny pieces that come on the rear pads or take them off ??? 
  :uglystupid2:
Ever danced with the devil In the pale moon light ?
99' Black tourer

Hook#3287

Quote from: bill-jr on Fri 10, Feb 2017, 16:36:35
Do u use the shiny pieces that come on the rear pads or take them off ??? 
  :uglystupid2:
Not sure if this is a real question or who "U" is?

hubcapsc

Quote from: bill-jr on Fri 10, Feb 2017, 16:36:35
Do u use the shiny pieces that come on the rear pads or take them off ??? 
  :uglystupid2:

I haven't had to do mine in several years, what with having two
bikes now... do you see "the shiny pieces" on here?



-Mike

Hook#3287

I think he's asking about the metal backing plate or he's just messing.

98valk

Quote from: Hook#3287 on Thu 09, Feb 2017, 08:06:09
Quote from: 98valk (aka CA) on Wed 08, Feb 2017, 14:01:26
calipers fully retracted they should fit. rear pads are 10mm thk, which is only 1.5mm thicker than front.

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,7487.0.html

The rear pads I just took out of the OEM package mic out at 12.4mm.

The new front pads I just installed in the front calipers I'm rebuilding for a buddy, mic out to 8.3mm.

I took the front ones out of the caliper and installed the rears with the cylinders all the way in, just to see and there's no way there's enough space for the rotor to fit.

My guess why the I/S rears are less cost is, Honda has never had to reorder and is still working on original stock.

without the added metal spacer and backing plate which can be removed they are 10mm. I have a set that I just measured.
1998 Std/Tourer, 2007 DR200SE, 1981 CB900C  10speed
1973 Duster 340 4-speed rare A/C, 2001 F250 4x4 7.3L, 6sp

"Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other."
John Adams 10/11/1798

Hook#3287

Quote from: 98valk (aka CA) on Fri 10, Feb 2017, 21:47:01
Quote from: Hook#3287 on Thu 09, Feb 2017, 08:06:09
Quote from: 98valk (aka CA) on Wed 08, Feb 2017, 14:01:26
calipers fully retracted they should fit. rear pads are 10mm thk, which is only 1.5mm thicker than front.

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,7487.0.html

The rear pads I just took out of the OEM package mic out at 12.4mm.

The new front pads I just installed in the front calipers I'm rebuilding for a buddy, mic out to 8.3mm.

I took the front ones out of the caliper and installed the rears with the cylinders all the way in, just to see and there's no way there's enough space for the rotor to fit.

My guess why the I/S rears are less cost is, Honda has never had to reorder and is still working on original stock.

without the added metal spacer and backing plate which can be removed they are 10mm. I have a set that I just measured.
I've never considered modifying such an important part, have you done this?

It's just a spacer and not structural to the pad?

98valk

Quote from: Hook#3287 on Sat 11, Feb 2017, 06:35:44
Quote from: 98valk (aka CA) on Fri 10, Feb 2017, 21:47:01
Quote from: Hook#3287 on Thu 09, Feb 2017, 08:06:09
Quote from: 98valk (aka CA) on Wed 08, Feb 2017, 14:01:26
calipers fully retracted they should fit. rear pads are 10mm thk, which is only 1.5mm thicker than front.

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,7487.0.html

The rear pads I just took out of the OEM package mic out at 12.4mm.

The new front pads I just installed in the front calipers I'm rebuilding for a buddy, mic out to 8.3mm.

I took the front ones out of the caliper and installed the rears with the cylinders all the way in, just to see and there's no way there's enough space for the rotor to fit.

My guess why the I/S rears are less cost is, Honda has never had to reorder and is still working on original stock.

without the added metal spacer and backing plate which can be removed they are 10mm. I have a set that I just measured.
I've never considered modifying such an important part, have you done this?

It's just a spacer and not structural to the pad?

just a spacer that basically clips on. I've done cars/trucks whereas the metal spacer is loose in the box and has to be installed on the pad before install.
just pry the taps away and then pop it off.
I installed Vesrah front pads which are 9.5mm, they fit with room to spare.
http://catalog.vesrah.co.jp/index_street_f.html
1998 Std/Tourer, 2007 DR200SE, 1981 CB900C  10speed
1973 Duster 340 4-speed rare A/C, 2001 F250 4x4 7.3L, 6sp

"Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other."
John Adams 10/11/1798

Hook#3287

Quotejust a spacer that basically clips on. I've done cars/trucks whereas the metal spacer is loose in the box and has to be installed on the pad before install.
just pry the taps away and then pop it off.
I installed Vesrah front pads which are 9.5mm, they fit with room to spare.
http://catalog.vesrah.co.jp/index_street_f.html
Had the time to check out the rear I/S pads I got for $20.00 from Procaliber.com.   Took off the spacers, put em in the front caliper and they fit.  Thanks for the info CA :cooldude:

Hook#3287

Quote from: hubcapsc on Fri 10, Feb 2017, 20:26:07
Quote from: bill-jr on Fri 10, Feb 2017, 16:36:35
Do u use the shiny pieces that come on the rear pads or take them off ??? 
  :uglystupid2:

I haven't had to do mine in several years, what with having two
bikes now... do you see "the shiny pieces" on here?



-Mike

Mike, yeah, they're there.  You can see the metal tabs.  No reason to remove them in the rear caliper.  I wonder what their purpose is?  Maybe so as they wear you don't use more fluid than is in the master?

Hook#3287

Quote from: bill-jr on Fri 10, Feb 2017, 16:36:35
Do u use the shiny pieces that come on the rear pads or take them off ??? 
  :uglystupid2:
Sorry I misunderstood your question, it makes perfect sense now :uglystupid2:

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: Hook#3287 on Sun 12, Feb 2017, 12:46:44
Quotejust a spacer that basically clips on. I've done cars/trucks whereas the metal spacer is loose in the box and has to be installed on the pad before install.
just pry the taps away and then pop it off.
I installed Vesrah front pads which are 9.5mm, they fit with room to spare.
http://catalog.vesrah.co.jp/index_street_f.html
Had the time to check out the rear I/S pads I got for $20.00 from Procaliber.com.   Took off the spacers, put em in the front caliper and they fit.  Thanks for the info CA :cooldude:
Hey Bill, what spacers are you guys referring to ?

Hook#3287

Quote from: meathead on Sun 12, Feb 2017, 12:53:48
Quote from: Hook#3287 on Sun 12, Feb 2017, 12:46:44
Quotejust a spacer that basically clips on. I've done cars/trucks whereas the metal spacer is loose in the box and has to be installed on the pad before install.
just pry the taps away and then pop it off.
I installed Vesrah front pads which are 9.5mm, they fit with room to spare.
http://catalog.vesrah.co.jp/index_street_f.html
Had the time to check out the rear I/S pads I got for $20.00 from Procaliber.com.   Took off the spacers, put em in the front caliper and they fit.  Thanks for the info CA :cooldude:
Hey Bill, what spacers are you guys referring to ?


These.  If you look at Mike's picture, you can see them on the pads.

Ricky-D

Regarding the latest pics on Hook#3287 post

What you are seeing: the white looking pads and the stainless looking plates are actually heat insulators designed to keep the heat, generated by strong braking, from migrating to the pistons and caliper and possibly causing the brake fluid to react in a dangerous way, such as boiling.

Boiling brake fluid can cause the brake system to activate thereby locking the brakes.

Since the rear brake has a single caliper and additionally since it is the rear brake that can see more brake pressure exerted, it can be subjected to considerably stronger braking forces resulting in much higher operating temperatures.

***
2000_Valkyrie_Interstate

98valk

Quote from: Ricky-D on Sun 12, Feb 2017, 13:21:19
Regarding the latest pics on Hook#3287 post

What you are seeing: the white looking pads and the stainless looking plates are actually heat insulators designed to keep the heat, generated by strong braking, from migrating to the pistons and caliper and possibly causing the brake fluid to react in a dangerous way, such as boiling.

Boiling brake fluid can cause the brake system to activate thereby locking the brakes.

Since the rear brake has a single caliper and additionally since it is the rear brake that can see more brake pressure exerted, it can be subjected to considerably stronger braking forces resulting in much higher operating temperatures.

***

and also less airflow than what the fronts see will increase temps.
1998 Std/Tourer, 2007 DR200SE, 1981 CB900C  10speed
1973 Duster 340 4-speed rare A/C, 2001 F250 4x4 7.3L, 6sp

"Our Constitution was made only for a Moral and Religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the goverment of any other."
John Adams 10/11/1798

Hook#3287

#29
Awh, heat insulators, makes sense.

bill-jr

Ive always taken them off and chunked'em ....?!?
Maybe i should start leaving them on??
Ever danced with the devil In the pale moon light ?
99' Black tourer

The emperor has no clothes

Quote from: bill-jr on Mon 13, Feb 2017, 14:21:30
Ive always taken them off and chunked'em ....?!?
Maybe i should start leaving them on??

Ive been using aftermarket ones for so long that I forgot about OEM having them. No issues for me, but I don't use my back brake that much. Probably 45-50k out of the back and 20-25k out of the fronts.

Unlaoised

So I ended up buying 3 sets of OEM Interstate pads (06435-MBY-671) by mistake.  :tickedoff:
Based on what I'm reading here, if I take off the back pad they should fit the front calipers.
What about the rear, will they fit if I remove the pad?

Hook#3287

Quote from: Unlaoised on Tue 21, Jun 2022, 13:55:37
So I ended up buying 3 sets of OEM Interstate pads (06435-MBY-671) by mistake.  :tickedoff:
Based on what I'm reading here, if I take off the back pad they should fit the front calipers.
What about the rear, will they fit if I remove the pad?

I'm running interstate rears in all calipers.

No reason to remove heat shield in rear caliper.

Chrisj CMA

Quote from: Unlaoised on Tue 21, Jun 2022, 13:55:37
So I ended up buying 3 sets of OEM Interstate pads (06435-MBY-671) by mistake.  :tickedoff:
Based on what I'm reading here, if I take off the back pad they should fit the front calipers.
What about the rear, will they fit if I remove the pad?


After reading what's here. Why would you want to remove the heat shields if you are using them in the rear, where they are designed to fit as they are?

Unlaoised

From what I gather, the interstate pads will fit as is on the rear calipers, but the heat shield/metal backing plate will need to be removed for them to fit in the front calipers.

Either way, I will confirm later as I have 3 sets of Interstate pads that I'm planning to use on my standard today...

Unlaoised

#36


These Interstate pads fit the rear of a '98 standard as they are (with metal pad/spacer etc).
They also fit the front calipers , however I needed to remove the metal pad and spacer (10 second job)!

Case closed!

Avanti

If have an Interstate and have been using rear pads both front and rear for a number of years. I get better service life on front and less piston exposed to the elements.