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Am thinking you will lose that money.
Why would the head of the FBI lie about it ? Why would the DNI Clapper lie about it ? Your man is losing what little credibility he had. These guys view their credibility as important. I don't see a reason for them to lie. If Trump really was told this by a credible source and not by Mark Levin or Breitbart he could easily say that. It's called "plausible deniability". The news media are in a frenzy now with Pres. Trump latest accusation about Obama ordered wiretapping Over the past year and a half and more, we've seen countless reports and articles by the news media that are presented in a negative manner about Pres. Trump. Granted, a few are within the realm of reason, but the vast majority are not and quite obviously vindictive attempts to smear Trump and his staff. Many of those reports are based on "anonymous sources" within the "intelligence community" with leaked information procured by surveillance or wiretapping. So by the media's own reporting of the info leaked to them, they, at the very least, confirm the previous administration and/or their associated agencies were, in fact, conducting surveillance and wiretapping on a Presidential Candidate of their political opposition. That is the origin of their own reports. The corruption runs deep. You do understand that if the Intelligence Agencies wiretap Russian spies and those Russian spies have communications with Trumps team, that is legal. That doesn't mean they are bugging Trump Tower, that just means they have been caught up in the net. See the difference ? And you do realize that sources within the Obama administration leaking this unsubstantiated and disingenuous information to the press were committing felonies and to do this against the political opposition in a Presidential race is Treason? The Trump campaign met with multiple foreign representatives. This isn't just well within the norm, it is the norm. Are you saying that no elected official or candidate can speak with foreign representatives because they are all to be defined as spies? Why do you define the Russian representatives as "spies"? Do you apply this standard to every Government official? There has been nothing uncovered but normal diplomatic, economic, and introductory meetings between the Trump campaign and the Russian government and their representatives. From the start, even the most critical reports and claims have always included the caveat that there is no evidence or proof to back any claim of nefarious dealings with the Russians. And the thing that irritates me the most is...that you very well know that. Yet you gleefully pile on. There is really no question that there were and are elements in high levels of government that are opposing the duly elected President Trump in underhanded, nefarious and felonious ways. The published reports based on leaks that can only come from elements in the higher levels of government are proof of that. The corruption is deep. You know it. |
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« Reply #81 on: March 07, 2017, 07:35:33 AM » |
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Moonshot, I find no glee in any of this. To ascribe that to me is pure BULLSHIT. As far as the Russians, it is widely known most of their diplomatic core is comprised of spies. I guess Flynn was hiding nothing and was unjustly fired.
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« Reply #82 on: March 07, 2017, 07:44:24 AM » |
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Perhaps my brother from Va, the former JAG attorney can amplify this for me
Nope. For now, I'm done discussing (or reading or watching) anything the main stream media smear campaign has to say about Mr Trump. Or any members on here attempts to bring it up as worthy of discussion. Our main stream media (and home grown left) is a worse enemy of the American people than the Russians ever will be. I will not give (any of) them aid and comfort and legitimization by discussing any of their lies, deceit, hate, deception, misdirection or opinions.
I will only give Mr Trump my undivided support for any and all of his actions in draining the swamp, with or without mistakes, missteps, or errors in judgment. We now have both houses and the presidency, and I am only interested in results (by any method or means likely).
Lay on, MacDuff. And cursed be him that first cries, “Hold, enough!” (MacBeth)
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« Reply #83 on: March 07, 2017, 07:45:59 AM » |
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Moonshot, I find no glee in any of this. To ascribe that to me is pure BULLSHIT. As far as the Russians, it is widely known most of their diplomatic core is comprised of spies. I guess Flynn was hiding nothing and was unjustly fired.
MH, I get a chuckle out of reading all these posts, and seeing them telling you what you know. The normalization of trumpism is well underway. He's not going to be here much longer, although I do want to see him stick it out. Not a big fan of Pence, at least trump is a daily distraction. All this BS being thrown against the wall to see what sticks, and you guys are ready to bite that hook. What will be the consensus when it's all proven to be just what it is, bullshit? I know, it'll be some 'shadow' movement by that evil Kenyan. He's pretty crafty though, I'll give him that. Accusation after accusation are levied against him, and still he finished his two terms. With one of the highest approval ratings ever. (I know, not from you guys). No impeachment (not for lack of wanting though), no charges, nothing. he's either the slyest fox in the room, or the r's are the most inept group of vipers ever. And I know what I think, no need for you guys to tell me.....  |
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« Reply #84 on: March 07, 2017, 07:50:56 AM » |
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"He is not going to be here much longer " You know something the rest of us don't ? Really I would be careful
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« Reply #85 on: March 07, 2017, 07:57:47 AM » |
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The normalization of trumpism is well underway.
After 8 years of the main stream media normalizing Obamunism, it is refreshing to have a normalized president that actually loves and cares for the country he's presiding over once again... |
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« Reply #86 on: March 07, 2017, 08:09:20 AM » |
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Moonshot, I find no glee in any of this. To ascribe that to me is pure BULLSHIT. As far as the Russians, it is widely known most of their diplomatic core is comprised of spies. I guess Flynn was hiding nothing and was unjustly fired.
Every country's diplomatic corps is a part of their intelligence apparatus. Should every US government official that meets with them be accused of collaborating with spies, or meeting with diplomats? You know your use of the term "spies" is to suggest nefarious conduct between the Trump team and the Russian diplomats. Nefarious conduct that has NEVER been proven or any evidence provided to even suggest nefarious conduct. Again, you know this yet it apparently doesn't even give you pause in your accusations. You believe Trump is evil and, despite no evidence or proof, believe Trump and the Russians are conspiring to take over the USA. You are welcome to that belief. The Flynn issue. Flynn was not hiding anything. He simply failed to include a non campaign-relevant contact in the list of meetings he had. This put the VP in a compromising position when he claimed that Flynn had no further contacts and feloniously leaked information that revealed the brief contact . Flynn's position did not allow for such a failure and had to be dismissed. I thought the dismissal to be a harsh result and do not believe it warranted being fired but on the other hand it is a very demanding position. |
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« Reply #87 on: March 07, 2017, 08:13:42 AM » |
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Moonshot, I find no glee in any of this. To ascribe that to me is pure BULLSHIT. As far as the Russians, it is widely known most of their diplomatic core is comprised of spies. I guess Flynn was hiding nothing and was unjustly fired.
Every country's diplomatic corps is a part of their intelligence apparatus. Should every US government official that meets with them be accused of collaborating with spies, or meeting with diplomats? You know your use of the term "spies" is to suggest nefarious conduct between the Trump team and the Russian diplomats. Nefarious conduct that has NEVER been proven or any evidence provided to even suggest nefarious conduct. Again, you know this yet it apparently doesn't even give you pause in your accusations. You believe Trump is evil and, despite no evidence or proof, believe Trump and the Russians are conspiring to take over the USA. You are welcome to that belief. The Flynn issue. Flynn was not hiding anything. He simply failed to include a non campaign-relevant contact in the list of meetings he had. This put the VP in a compromising position when he claimed that Flynn had no further contacts and feloniously leaked information that revealed the brief contact . Flynn's position did not allow for such a failure and had to be dismissed. I thought the dismissal to be a harsh result and do not believe it warranted being fired but on the other hand it is a very demanding position. You sure seem to think you know me. Your post is wrong on numerous parts. |
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« Reply #88 on: March 07, 2017, 08:32:08 AM » |
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"He is not going to be here much longer " You know something the rest of us don't ? Really I would be careful
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« Reply #89 on: March 07, 2017, 10:02:26 AM » |
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Moonshot, I find no glee in any of this. To ascribe that to me is pure BULLSHIT. As far as the Russians, it is widely known most of their diplomatic core is comprised of spies. I guess Flynn was hiding nothing and was unjustly fired.
MH, I get a chuckle out of reading all these posts, and seeing them telling you what you know. The normalization of trumpism is well underway. He's not going to be here much longer, although I do want to see him stick it out. Not a big fan of Pence, at least trump is a daily distraction. All this BS being thrown against the wall to see what sticks, and you guys are ready to bite that hook. What will be the consensus when it's all proven to be just what it is, bullshit? I know, it'll be some 'shadow' movement by that evil Kenyan. He's pretty crafty though, I'll give him that. Accusation after accusation are levied against him, and still he finished his two terms. With one of the highest approval ratings ever. (I know, not from you guys). No impeachment (not for lack of wanting though), no charges, nothing. he's either the slyest fox in the room, or the r's are the most inept group of vipers ever. And I know what I think, no need for you guys to tell me..... Agree on some points, but, approval ratings, remember Hillary by all accounts was going to win  I don't think Trumpism is unique to Trump, he did get most of the country agreeing with him. I believe he will be here for 8 years and this is a time of adjustment for the country and for Trump. I also dont think anyone here is fooled by anything that is happening or wouldnt call Trump out for any wrong doing. But its a breath of fresh air to have someone say and move in a direction that this country was founded on. |
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« Reply #90 on: March 07, 2017, 10:32:47 AM » |
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Moonshot, I find no glee in any of this. To ascribe that to me is pure BULLSHIT. As far as the Russians, it is widely known most of their diplomatic core is comprised of spies. I guess Flynn was hiding nothing and was unjustly fired.
MH, I get a chuckle out of reading all these posts, and seeing them telling you what you know. The normalization of trumpism is well underway. He's not going to be here much longer, although I do want to see him stick it out. Not a big fan of Pence, at least trump is a daily distraction. All this BS being thrown against the wall to see what sticks, and you guys are ready to bite that hook. What will be the consensus when it's all proven to be just what it is, bullshit? I know, it'll be some 'shadow' movement by that evil Kenyan. He's pretty crafty though, I'll give him that. Accusation after accusation are levied against him, and still he finished his two terms. With one of the highest approval ratings ever. (I know, not from you guys). No impeachment (not for lack of wanting though), no charges, nothing. he's either the slyest fox in the room, or the r's are the most inept group of vipers ever. And I know what I think, no need for you guys to tell me..... Agree on some points, but, approval ratings, remember Hillary by all accounts was going to win I don't think Trumpism is unique to Trump, he did get most of the country agreeing with him. I believe he will be here for 8 years and this is a time of adjustment for the country and for Trump. I also dont think anyone here is fooled by anything that is happening or wouldnt call Trump out for any wrong doing. But its a breath of fresh air to have someone say and move in a direction that this country was founded on. He won the presidency by the Electoral votes. But to say he got most of the country agreeing with him is completely wrong. There were 73.6 million votes against him and 62.9 million for him . Not even close to getting most of the country behind him. |
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« Reply #91 on: March 07, 2017, 10:35:09 AM » |
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Moonshot, I find no glee in any of this. To ascribe that to me is pure BULLSHIT. As far as the Russians, it is widely known most of their diplomatic core is comprised of spies. I guess Flynn was hiding nothing and was unjustly fired.
MH, I get a chuckle out of reading all these posts, and seeing them telling you what you know. The normalization of trumpism is well underway. He's not going to be here much longer, although I do want to see him stick it out. Not a big fan of Pence, at least trump is a daily distraction. All this BS being thrown against the wall to see what sticks, and you guys are ready to bite that hook. What will be the consensus when it's all proven to be just what it is, bullshit? I know, it'll be some 'shadow' movement by that evil Kenyan. He's pretty crafty though, I'll give him that. Accusation after accusation are levied against him, and still he finished his two terms. With one of the highest approval ratings ever. (I know, not from you guys). No impeachment (not for lack of wanting though), no charges, nothing. he's either the slyest fox in the room, or the r's are the most inept group of vipers ever. And I know what I think, no need for you guys to tell me..... Agree on some points, but, approval ratings, remember Hillary by all accounts was going to win I don't think Trumpism is unique to Trump, he did get most of the country agreeing with him. I believe he will be here for 8 years and this is a time of adjustment for the country and for Trump. I also dont think anyone here is fooled by anything that is happening or wouldnt call Trump out for any wrong doing. But its a breath of fresh air to have someone say and move in a direction that this country was founded on. He won the presidency by the Electoral votes. But to say he got most of the country agreeing with him is completely wrong. There were 73.6 million votes against him and 62.9 million for him . Not even close to getting most of the country behind him. C'Mon MH. You know those 3 million voters were all illegal. We're all still waiting for his proof. |
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« Reply #92 on: March 07, 2017, 10:42:30 AM » |
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Moonshot, I find no glee in any of this. To ascribe that to me is pure BULLSHIT. As far as the Russians, it is widely known most of their diplomatic core is comprised of spies. I guess Flynn was hiding nothing and was unjustly fired.
MH, I get a chuckle out of reading all these posts, and seeing them telling you what you know. The normalization of trumpism is well underway. He's not going to be here much longer, although I do want to see him stick it out. Not a big fan of Pence, at least trump is a daily distraction. All this BS being thrown against the wall to see what sticks, and you guys are ready to bite that hook. What will be the consensus when it's all proven to be just what it is, bullshit? I know, it'll be some 'shadow' movement by that evil Kenyan. He's pretty crafty though, I'll give him that. Accusation after accusation are levied against him, and still he finished his two terms. With one of the highest approval ratings ever. (I know, not from you guys). No impeachment (not for lack of wanting though), no charges, nothing. he's either the slyest fox in the room, or the r's are the most inept group of vipers ever. And I know what I think, no need for you guys to tell me..... Agree on some points, but, approval ratings, remember Hillary by all accounts was going to win I don't think Trumpism is unique to Trump, he did get most of the country agreeing with him. I believe he will be here for 8 years and this is a time of adjustment for the country and for Trump. I also dont think anyone here is fooled by anything that is happening or wouldnt call Trump out for any wrong doing. But its a breath of fresh air to have someone say and move in a direction that this country was founded on. He won the presidency by the Electoral votes. But to say he got most of the country agreeing with him is completely wrong. There were 73.6 million votes against him and 62.9 million for him . Not even close to getting most of the country behind him. C'Mon MH. You know those 3 million voters were all illegal. We're all still waiting for his proof. Even if one were to believe him that 3 million illegals voted against him (which I don't). That still leaves him short almost 8 million of a majority. And yes I realize he got the electoral votes to win. Roberts statement wasn't about that though. |
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« Reply #93 on: March 07, 2017, 10:46:39 AM » |
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There were 73.6 million votes against him and 62.9 million for him . Not even close to getting most of the country behind him.
That's a fun new spin, lumping all third party votes in with the Hillary votes to puff up the number of "votes against him" instead of listing it as the more honest binary results of Trump getting 62,985,106 and Hillary getting 65,853,625... Cute... If you wanna play the spin game, here's a map of the 2016 election based on county level results... Using this, pretty easy to say he has "most of the country" behind him...  |
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« Reply #94 on: March 07, 2017, 11:03:33 AM » |
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There were 73.6 million votes against him and 62.9 million for him . Not even close to getting most of the country behind him.
That's a fun new spin, lumping all third party votes in with the Hillary votes to puff up the number of "votes against him" instead of listing it as the more honest binary results of Trump getting 62,985,106 and Hillary getting 65,853,625... Cute... If you wanna play the spin game, here's a map of the 2016 election based on county level results... Using this, pretty easy to say he has "most of the country" behind him... Roberts statement was that he got most of the country behind him. I'm merely pointing out the error of his statement. I clearly understand that votes for the Greens and the Libertarians were also votes against Clinton. The facts are the facts, he came nowhere close to getting most on his side. |
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