In 24 States, 50% or More of Babies Born on Medicaid

[Robert]

I found this interesting and wonder if the number is really this high. That would mean that the ACA/us is paying for many to have babies. Considering each birth is conservatively 3 to 4k that is alot of money.

In 24 States, 50% or More of Babies Born on Medicaid; New Mexico Leads Nation With 72%

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/24-states-50-babies-born-medicaid

Arkansas ranked second with 67 percent; Louisiana ranked third with 65 percent; and three states—Mississippi, Nevada and Wisconsin—tied for fourth place with 64 percent of babies born there covered by Medicaid.
New Hampshire earned the distinction of having the smallest percentage of babies born on Medicaid. In that state, Medicaid paid for the births of only 27 percent of the babies born in 2015.

[Oss]

Well dont forget all the abortions either Robert

So we are paying either way  paying to kill unborn and paying for the birth costs of those who make it to term,

Question....if you are against abortion how can you be against the government paying to make sure the baby makes it into this world?
Not saying you are against Medicaid Robert yes its an interesting item you posted

With Passover just a couple of weeks ahead, I am reminded of the story of Moses, rescued from certain death at birth by the midwives and then his sister sends his basket on the Nile to float by Pharaoh's daughter. And look what that humble, stuttering man accomplished. The greatest prophet according to the Torah.

Pirke Avot teaches he who saves one life it is as if he saved the world

I myself would choose another battle and not fight paying for costs of our USA kids born to poor families

YMMV

[old2soon]

Course in a lot of states the more kids ya got the more money ya gits from state and fed. It already HAS become a lifestyle-welfare.  RIDE SAFE.

[Rams]

As a nation, we are doomed to eventually fail.   Our Social Entitlement Programs will eventually be our down fall.   I know several "child bearing" couples who refuse to get married and she will claim the status of "single" so they can have their babies on our dime.   When I say several, I seriously mean a bunch of them.    Most of them tell me they plan to eventually get married, once they decide they are through making babies.    While I morally disagree with them, I do understand the financial incentive.

Why pay for something, to include insurance if the government will pay for it.       IOWs, why work if ya don't have to.   I don't mind giving anyone a helping hand but, we've created and provided incentive for what we are getting.   Hand Out Kings and Queens.   Ticks me off to be honest.

Reared both of my kids to understand they are responsible for their own actions and decisions.    So far, they have made me proud.   I fully expect that to continue.  

[Jess from VA]

Where is the constitutional right to healthcare, or to have free baby delivery?

The issue is not babies, the issue is unfair theft/extortion of our money for their unconstitutional and wasteful and mismanaged social programs.  And debt crisis.

Every social program after social security should be repealed, and some thinking and planning and budgeting done before anything is added back.

[fudgie]

I believe at birth the family has a choice to automatically be signed up for M'caid.

[Tony C.]

Well dont forget all the abortions either Robert

So we are paying either way  paying to kill unborn and paying for the birth costs of those who make it to term,

I agree that it's alarming that so many births are covered under Medicaid. It shows a complete lack of personal responsibilty by both men and women. There is absolutely no reason why a women should get pregnant unless she makes the choice. There are plenty of birth control options for men and women.

My understanding is that federal money is prohibited by law to cover abortions. I agree with this. So Medicaid does not pay for abortions done by any entity, including Planned Parenthood.

[Patrick]

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/05/429641062/fact-check-how-does-planned-parenthood-spend-that-government-money






Out of $1.3 billion/yr , over $500 million/yr of tax dollars goes to Planned Parenthood.  This organization does perform abortions.

[Oss]

correct  Much of the planned parenthood hoopla is because of the big lie that PP says it helps mothers pre natal when to then pre natal means abortion and birth control only

So yes the govmt pays for abortions

I agree personal responsibility comes from parent instilled and other role model (coaches-pastors teachers etc) values.

It isnt learned on the street and those who have it have my respect
unlike those trying to cheat the system again and again

[Patrick]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/08/04/health/planned-parenthood-by-the-numbers/





323,999 abortions performed during 2014.  Maybe some may have been necessary, but,  I would think that number would be small.

And I do believe that are still receiving tax dollars, a lot of tax dollars.

[Robert]

I agree that it's alarming that so many births are covered under Medicaid. It shows a complete lack of personal responsibilty by both men and women. There is absolutely no reason why a women should get pregnant unless she makes the choice. There are plenty of birth control options for men and women.

My understanding is that federal money is prohibited by law to cover abortions. I agree with this. So Medicaid does not pay for abortions done by any entity, including Planned Parenthood.

I agree totally with this statement

I can remember when men and women planned to have a baby and even if it was an opps they were able to pay for it. Having a baby was not a way to keep a man or get more money from him or get more money from the state or even I didn't put a sock on it, it was because the parents thought they were in a position to bring another being into the world. I wonder what percentage of these Medicaid cases are people who just didnt have the money but really wanted a baby and had the ability to care for it.

I look at all the stories today of kids having kids and not being married purposefully and having the state pay for the baby and all the care and then food stamps and a bit of money to help the mother and child while the dad is in the background.

 Its always a double edged sword letting the state pay for anything. If you are not good parents the DCS comes in and takes the child. Not to mention what kind of life do these people have and that will be taught to a new generation.

I genuinely was amazed because of the sheer numbers but I also look at this and think what does it say about us that we have so many that seem to have no problem with having the state pay for something that should be special to you.

Working with the church and having some friends that have taken care of kids that the mothers have neglected it makes me pause and think of all the things that have changed.

I do mind paying for these births because I feel that personal responsibility was out the window. I do not want to pay for abortions either and birth control is a loosing battle. Education and putting the commandments up may help to curb the problem as it did with smoking. Since when does the government finance you having or killing babies. Why is the government even put in this position? Something it was not really supposed to be involved with.

Oss my friend you picked a person God knew from before time that this calling would be on his life to save the Jewish people and give them the laws. These laws that instilled moral codes in people so they knew how to act and treat others. This is what we have lost today with our society being the way it is. I personally blame the government and us really for the policies and laws made that make it easy affordable and no fault to have a baby and society as a whole to say its ok to kill an unborn. We have lost the awe of what a child represents even the social stigma of having a child out of marriage.

[Michvalk]

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/05/429641062/fact-check-how-does-planned-parenthood-spend-that-government-money






Out of $1.3 billion/yr , over $500 million/yr of tax dollars goes to Planned Parenthood.  This organization does perform abortions.

Yes, they do.. But NOT with the government money they get

[JimC]

I found this interesting and wonder if the number is really this high. That would mean that the ACA/us is paying for many to have babies. Considering each birth is conservatively 3 to 4k that is a lot of money.

Robert,

That is the tip of the iceberg. today we are paying for much more than just the birth. Today it is very common to have a child (or several), and intentionally not get married. The new scam is to have one or more children, the father does live with the mother and child, but continues to hold another address. That way the government can not do anything about it. I personally am aware of several situations exactly like this, some of these young people are from very good families, and they all live in a fairly affluent suburb of Milwaukee, not the ghetto.

This opens up the fatherless family to all kinds of aid; food stamps, rent subsidies, tuition payments, welfare, free childcare, to name a few. You do not want to add all of these up because your head will explode if you do. All of this is on our dime, and I see no end to it.

They have brought welfare fraud to a new level. It makes my blood boil!

Jim

[Robert]

I found this interesting and wonder if the number is really this high. That would mean that the ACA/us is paying for many to have babies. Considering each birth is conservatively 3 to 4k that is a lot of money.

Robert,

That is the tip of the iceberg. today we are paying for much more than just the birth. Today it is very common to have a child (or several), and intentionally not get married. The new scam is to have one or more children, the father does live with the mother and child, but continues to hold another address. That way the government can not do anything about it. I personally am aware of several situations exactly like this, some of these young people are from very good families, and they all live in a fairly affluent suburb of Milwaukee, not the ghetto.

This opens up the fatherless family to all kinds of aid; food stamps, rent subsidies, tuition payments, welfare, free childcare, to name a few. You do not want to add all of these up because your head will explode if you do. All of this is on our dime, and I see no end to it.

They have brought welfare fraud to a new level. It makes my blood boil!

Jim

I agree with what you have said and know of a few cases myself. That was the reason I posted the original post and found it shocking. I didn't realize the extent that this was happening and thought it was a few isolated cases

[Oss]

its happens

Man owns a multi family house

girlfriend rents an apt Sect 8 or Linc or Feps pays
 the rent to the father (all have different names)

we lose

Sen Daniel Patrick Moynahan  later,  a NY liberal senator said when Johnson was trying to pass the Welfare rules that it would end the nuclear family and produce generations of fatherless children  He was branded a racist  He was 100% correct

dont just take my word for it
http://www.heritage.org/poverty-and-inequality/report/the-collapse-marriage-and-the-rise-welfare-dependence

As we know it Welfare must end. How to do it without destroying the fabric of our country?

[Cracker Jack]

Adoption is very expensive however people are lined up awaiting available children.

I know it's never going to happen but, children born to parents/moms who cannot support them and provide a reasonable existence should be taken for adoption and given to parents who can.

The system as set up just provides incentive to keep pooping them out. Another child, more government money.

[Jess from VA]

Thanks to our government, we now are a nation of half employed (professional or otherwise), and the other half professional benefit and disability claimants, who work the system from every available angle, including baby production.  

Working that system is the principle avocation of tens of thousands of attorneys and firms, who do so for a piece of the benefits (retroactive when finally won, not continuing) (so we taxpayers not only pay the benefits but their lawyers as well).  On the VA side, dozens of Veteran Service Organizations also provide non-attorney but often well trained representation for free, initially, and through all appeals.  Very few of those VSOs allow their representatives to refuse to represent someone they think is bringing a fraudulent (or merit-less) claim or appeal.

The appeals process for all the various benefit systems is perpetually jam packed with huge backlogs of appeals of initial denials, and if you are indigent, you can get free legal counsel fees (In Forma Pauperis) for professional representation in the appeals to courts.  These huge backlogs result in great pressure on G adjudicators to allow claims, rather than deny them, because an allowance only requires one fifth of the work that a denial does, and allowances are never appealed.  [A denial of benefits requires a lengthy written opinion with a full discussion of all the evidence and argument submitted, a discussion of all applicable laws and regulations applied to the facts of the case, and needs to be good enough to withstand appeal (which is nearly certain).  An allowance of benefits just says your claim has been reviewed and has been allowed.  If you decide 25 appeals a week (all allowances), your superiors love you and give you a big bonus at the end of the year; if you decide 5 appeals a week (all denials), they hate you and threaten you with administrative sanction for substandard performance, and no bonus for you.  And those 5 denials (which were fully justified) were collectively much harder and more complex work than the 25 allowances (most of which were suspicious indeed).  But the terrible press from the big backlogs is so bad for the respective departments, that the leadership wants it reduced no matter how it is done.]

While there are laws in place and G sections in the various departments devoted to going after fraud, very little emphasis or manpower is placed there, and the vast majority of fraud goes without apparent care or notice.  When it is, the DOJ does not care to spend it's resources in pursuing it much, as it is not glamorous work that garners them any good press; they frankly think it is beneath them.  Far more emphasis is placed on the G spending big money to advertise all the various benefits that are available.  

The larger the numbers of claimants and beneficiaries and appeals get, the larger these G departments grow, and the larger piece of operating budget they require.  Of course, we taxpayers pay for all that too.

Not only are we becoming a nation of beggars, we have the best represented beggars in history.  And our government grows larger and more powerful and more expensive, the more beggars we have.  It's good for business (their business).    

[Patrick]

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/05/429641062/fact-check-how-does-planned-parenthood-spend-that-government-money






Out of $1.3 billion/yr , over $500 million/yr of tax dollars goes to Planned Parenthood.  This organization does perform abortions.

Yes, they do.. But NOT with the government money they get

Really !

They separate all the monies they receive do they ?  I'd like to see how they do that. Creative book keeping I would imagine.

[G-Man]

Adoption is very expensive however people are lined up awaiting available children.

It's only expensive if you want a white baby.  Black, brown, asian, and indian babies are readily available and living in $hitty orphanages all over the world.  But, white babies are a rare commodity, and this is nothing new.

My cousin adopted his daughter 20 years ago.  Only wanted a white baby.  Spoke with an agency AND a lawyer.  Wore a beeper specifically for adoption purposes so they wouldn't "miss the call" and forfeit.  They use to go to support meetings.  My ex-wife and I went with them once.  In a gymnasium of a school.  A hundred couples or so, 20 kids running around, and 2 or 3 babies.  The newly adopted babies were called up with the parents and the parents presented the kid to the audience as if to remind those still waiting that it will eventually happen.  Like the Lion King, holding the baby up over their heads while everyone cheers. Happens every month I was told.

[G-Man]

http://www.npr.org/sections/itsallpolitics/2015/08/05/429641062/fact-check-how-does-planned-parenthood-spend-that-government-money






Out of $1.3 billion/yr , over $500 million/yr of tax dollars goes to Planned Parenthood.  This organization does perform abortions.

Yes, they do.. But NOT with the government money they get

Really !

They separate all the monies they receive do they ?  I'd like to see how they do that. Creative book keeping I would imagine.

It's like when your wife says she'll pay for it out of her salary......... 

[Cracker Jack]

Adoption is very expensive however people are lined up awaiting available children.

It's only expensive if you want a white baby.  Black, brown, asian, and indian babies are readily available and living in $hitty orphanages all over the world.  But, white babies are a rare commodity, and this is nothing new.

My cousin adopted his daughter 20 years ago.  Only wanted a white baby.  Spoke with an agency AND a lawyer.  Wore a beeper specifically for adoption purposes so they wouldn't "miss the call" and forfeit.  They use to go to support meetings.  My ex-wife and I went with them once.  In a gymnasium of a school.  A hundred couples or so, 20 kids running around, and 2 or 3 babies.  The newly adopted babies were called up with the parents and the parents presented the kid to the audience as if to remind those still waiting that it will eventually happen.  Like the Lion King, holding the baby up over their heads while everyone cheers. Happens every month I was told.

My grand daughter and her husband adopted a black baby out of Florida and it cost her/them about $ 15,000.00.

[LTD]

Goodbye America its been a good un.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Yes, the younger generation has some issues. But let us not forget as we continue to bash them, it was OUR generation that racked up our country in 20 trillion worth of debt. Not them.

[Moonshot_1]

Yes, the younger generation has some issues. But let us not forget as we continue to bash them, it was OUR generation that racked up our country in 20 trillion worth of debt. Not them.

Yes, Our generation have racked up a $20 trillion debt. We've done that by allowing policies and politics to get away with it.

Was listening to Rush today and he had a comment on the very subject. He said that fixing all this is easy. It isn't hard. But what we need are politicians who care more about the Country and people than their re-election.

We've created a system that the politicians must use to promise big things if they are elected. Of course this takes a lot of money. Our money.

Rush is dead on target here. The solution isn't hard to see. It is just hard to accept.

One of the biggest changes we can make is to change the culture in Washington. That won't happen and can't happen without limiting the terms of our politicians. To give them the opportunity to serve the people and not themselves or an out of control and corrupt system.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I agree on term limits. 

[Rams]

Was listening to Rush today and he had a comment on the very subject. He said that fixing all this is easy. It isn't hard. But what we need are politicians who care more about the Country and people than their re-election.

We've created a system that the politicians must use to promise big things if they are elected. Of course this takes a lot of money. Our money.

Rush is dead on target here. The solution isn't hard to see. It is just hard to accept.

One of the biggest changes we can make is to change the culture in Washington. That won't happen and can't happen without limiting the terms of our politicians. To give them the opportunity to serve the people and not themselves or an out of control and corrupt system.

The one place I disagree with Rush and whomever says the problem is in DC, I disagree.   The problem is right here in our own communities.   "We" elected the people who are doing this.  We are letting it happen.    It's our fault.   We not only let it happen to us, we don't seem to care and don't even tell our political leaders to stop.

While not everyone likes our President, I sincerely believe his election is a result of a portion of the US population finally being fed up enough with the status quo and deciding to do something about it and get involved.   I assure you, D. J. Trump was not my first choice for President but, his competition was more of the same of what we had with generous portions of gravy on top.

We must stand up and do something about it.   If for no other reason than those kids and grand kids who will follow us in the depths of third world status.

[Moonshot_1]

I know I've made this case in the past during the campaigns.

Of all the reasons I liked the idea of a President Trump was the idea that he is politically expendable.

He isn't beholden to the Republicans, not beholden to the Democrats, and is quite otherwise independent of the conventional establishment political environment.

That in and of itself gives us hope at an opportunity to change the political status quo. It won't go down without an epic fight, but at least there is a guy willing to put himself out there. And he has.

We have elected the people who are doing this. But we also created the culture that allows it. By our own nature, we as individuals tend not vote for things not in our best interest. We, as a people, will not vote for candidates that promise sacrifice and hardship to achieve a greater good if there is another candidate that promises unattainable nirvana.

The problem cannot be fixed until the Culture in DC is dramatically changed.

[old2soon]

I know I've made this case in the past during the campaigns.

Of all the reasons I liked the idea of a President Trump was the idea that he is politically expendable.

He isn't beholden to the Republicans, not beholden to the Democrats, and is quite otherwise independent of the conventional establishment political environment.

That in and of itself gives us hope at an opportunity to change the political status quo. It won't go down without an epic fight, but at least there is a guy willing to put himself out there. And he has.

We have elected the people who are doing this. But we also created the culture that allows it. By our own nature, we as individuals tend not vote for things not in our best interest. We, as a people, will not vote for candidates that promise sacrifice and hardship to achieve a greater good if there is another candidate that promises unattainable nirvana.

The problem cannot be fixed until the Culture in DC is dramatically changed.

                  He ain't gittin ANY Help from the entrenched politicians or what passes for the media. Everyone KNOWS zero care weren't the answer BUT failed to attempt a change. Now they are draggin their knuckles on the one that SHOULD/NEEDS to be seated on the Supreme Court. But-AGAIN-surprise surprise-entrenched Elected officials-nearly gagged writin that-more worried bout the collective asses than the country. Dumb asses-but yer right-WE elected em!  RIDE SAFE.

[MP]

Yes, the younger generation has some issues. But let us not forget as we continue to bash them, it was OUR generation that racked up our country in 20 trillion worth of debt. Not them.

Do you see ANY indication they want to change it? I don't. I see them demanding MORE "free chit" all the time, such as free college, health care, etc.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Yes, the younger generation has some issues. But let us not forget as we continue to bash them, it was OUR generation that racked up our country in 20 trillion worth of debt. Not them.

Do you see ANY indication they want to change it? I don't. I see them demanding MORE "free chit" all the time, such as free college, health care, etc.

Do you see ANY indication our generation wants to change ? I don't. We continue to rack up debt. It's very easy to blame others, whether it be the younger generation, different ethnic groups, etc. It's a lot harder to be honest with ones self and admit our contribution and our own faults.

[Roadog]

Yes, the younger generation has some issues. But let us not forget as we continue to bash them, it was OUR generation that racked up our country in 20 trillion worth of debt. Not them.

Do you see ANY indication they want to change it? I don't. I see them demanding MORE "free chit" all the time, such as free college, health care, etc.

Do you see ANY indication our generation wants to change ? I don't. We continue to rack up debt. It's very easy to blame others, whether it be the younger generation, different ethnic groups, etc. It's a lot harder to be honest with ones self and admit our contribution and our own faults.

Yes MH, I do see evidence , it was the election ...There are some of us older folks that want change.  I do believe that was what this past election was all about.  You are not by yourself,...MANY people didn't see it coming .  JMHO.
 
Ride safe
Roadog

[The emperor has no clothes]

Yes, the younger generation has some issues. But let us not forget as we continue to bash them, it was OUR generation that racked up our country in 20 trillion worth of debt. Not them.

Do you see ANY indication they want to change it? I don't. I see them demanding MORE "free chit" all the time, such as free college, health care, etc.

Do you see ANY indication our generation wants to change ? I don't. We continue to rack up debt. It's very easy to blame others, whether it be the younger generation, different ethnic groups, etc. It's a lot harder to be honest with ones self and admit our contribution and our own faults.

Yes MH, I do see evidence , it was the election ...There are some of us older folks that want change.  I do believe that was what this past election was all about.  You are not by yourself,...MANY people didn't see it coming .  JMHO.
 
Ride safe
Roadog

I guess we will see where our debt is in 4 years.

[Moonshot_1]

I'm certain our National Debt will be higher than it is now. Any effort to bring it down will require huge and expansive economic growth. That will take time. The best I believe we can hope for in four years is to see confident projections of the debt being reduced based on robust growth.

We will have to wait and see.

That said, Trump has been out there talking reigning in Government excess. Calling out costs of aircraft, and the costs of other government procurements. There has been the introduction of a business culture and that is sorely needed in DC. I realize that government isn't business and not everything in government can be run as such. But it is obvious that the government is incapable of policing itself. It is highly capable of spending everyone else's money with abandon and that culture has to stop before we can even address the Debt. 

[phideux]

It's not just the having babies, Medicaid brings on the "entitlement Mentality". I work in a busy ER, I see it every day. I bet 80%+ of the people we see are on Medicaid. They come in to the ER, alot of times by ambulance, for every little cough, sniffle, toothache, ache, pain, yeast infection, everything. Plus being on Medicaid, we have to pay for a ride back home too. I've even seen a few times where we had to give an ambulance ride back home from the ER, for a homeless person, let that sink in.
It seems to me that the folks who pay for and maintain their own insurance don't use it unless absolutely necessary, the ones getting their "insurance" for free abuse the system to the max, because it's their "right".

[phideux]

Just off the top of my head, I can recall 3 "regulars who have had 5+ babies, all on Medicaid, plus whatever public assistance they can get, where almost all of the kids were born addicted. They take the kids away and place them with a family member, so it's not really taking them away, and of course the family member gets a "subsidy" to raise the kids, while the kids get free disability, SSI and Medicaid.

[Moonshot_1]

Just off the top of my head, I can recall 3 "regulars who have had 5+ babies, all on Medicaid, plus whatever public assistance they can get, where almost all of the kids were born addicted. They take the kids away and place them with a family member, so it's not really taking them away, and of course the family member gets a "subsidy" to raise the kids, while the kids get free disability, SSI and Medicaid.

At some point, early on in such things, if the child is addicted, if the the mother or/and father cannot be responsible for the welfare of the children, the children go into foster care and the mother and father can be eligible for welfare subsidies but child support would come out of those subsidies first. We need to expect everyone to meet some minimum standard of social responsibility and decorum. Having a bunch of kids on us would not meet such a minimum standard. If you got a couple kids and you are on welfare and have a criminal record and you want more kids, fine, have them on your dime. Can't support them? We, as a society will gladly take them in and you pay child support for them through any government assistance you get.

[Robert]

A couple of friends of mine had basically the same operations. So one has insurance the other does not because he really doesn't have steady employment. The one with insurance gets the bill and owes in the area of 4k. The other one with no insurance gets the bill and I have no idea how much it was but, would assume, the same procedure the same amount pretty much. Well the one with insurance paid. The one with no insurance the hospital forgave the full bill.

So if you pay for insurance and you pay your full dr/hosp bill, minus deductible and copay or the one without insurance pays nothing. I really wonder which one has better health care? Where is the equity in this?

Another thing that is really troublesome is Dr's getting paid for failed operations.

Another friend of mine's wife has to have dialysis and she was to have the tubes put in her arms. So the procedure did not go well as the first dr placed the stint in the wrong place. Well dr#2 knew the problem went in and did nothing. Dr#3 went in said dr#2 did nothing and may have gotten the procedure correct. All the dr's got paid. I know if something goes wrong with a repair most places redo whatever was done for nothing, why do dr's get paid?

[Moonshot_1]

A couple of friends of mine had basically the same operations. So one has insurance the other does not because he really doesn't have steady employment. The one with insurance gets the bill and owes in the area of 4k. The other one with no insurance gets the bill and I have no idea how much it was but, would assume, the same procedure the same amount pretty much. Well the one with insurance paid. The one with no insurance the hospital forgave the full bill.

So if you pay for insurance and you pay your full dr/hosp bill, minus deductible and copay or the one without insurance pays nothing. I really wonder which one has better health care? Where is the equity in this?

Another thing that is really troublesome is Dr's getting paid for failed operations.

Another friend of mine's wife has to have dialysis and she was to have the tubes put in her arms. So the procedure did not go well as the first dr placed the stint in the wrong place. Well dr#2 knew the problem went in and did nothing. Dr#3 went in said dr#2 did nothing and may have gotten the procedure correct. All the dr's got paid. I know if something goes wrong with a repair most places redo whatever was done for nothing, why do dr's get paid?

When something goes wrong with a repair they redo it for nothing because they guaranteed the repair.
Not so with Doctors. They tell you straight out that there are no guarantees. You don't sign the Doctor's liability waivers for fun. You can have them on gross negligence and malpractice, but they don't guarantee perfection.

Aside from gross negligence and malpractice, you pay the doctor because you hired him or her to do their best at treating you. Even if they fail.

[Robert]

When something goes wrong with a repair they redo it for nothing because they guaranteed the repair.
Not so with Doctors. They tell you straight out that there are no guarantees. You don't sign the Doctor's liability waivers for fun. You can have them on gross negligence and malpractice, but they don't guarantee perfection.

Aside from gross negligence and malpractice, you pay the doctor because you hired him or her to do their best at treating you. Even if they fail.

Thanks for that explanation sounds like the weatherman and the dr's have something in common.

Jokes aside, I see many dr's that are good and responsible but I see many that have terrible bedside manners and look at their patients as their personal bank account. Diagnosis is somewhat of a lost art among some also.

[G-Man]

But it is obvious that the government is incapable of policing itself. It is highly capable of spending everyone else's money with abandon and that culture has to stop before we can even address the Debt. 

THAT's the main issue right there with gov't spending.  Nobody scrutinizing the bill or making a better deal up front.  Had the gov't been making deals like Trump has made for war planes and US1, all along, in every department, we wouldn't be dealing with such debt.

$400 hammer
$150 Toilet seats
$18 muffins
$10 million extra for each plane

All sums up to billions that should have never been spent.