Charlottesville (VA) 'Unite the Right' rally

[hubcapsc]

But at the end of the day, they were bigots.  I'm sure there was a word that had the same meaning back then.  The idea, or concept surely wasn't new.

The people in the torch line with the Nazi flags and the Jewish chants are bigots.
If we apply the same words to different things, what do the words mean?

A dictionary definition, with the accompanying example:

a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
"don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"


Pedantically speaking, I can call (person whose posts I don't read) a bigot,
and he can call me one. Now what do we call the Nazi chanters? The same
thing?

-Mike

[G-Man]

The logic of the conservatives that support Trump is sorely lacking.  It also proves true what Trump said, that he could shoot somebody on 5th avenue and not lose any support from his backers.

When he said that Mexico doesn't send its best, but the just send drug dealers and murderers and rapists, you were ok with that?  Okay with him castigating an entire nation of people?  He didn't castigate an entire anything.  That's your and the left's intentional misinterpretation.  Almost all of the central American countries have been sending their criminals here for us to deal with so they don't have to.  They save millions by not having to try and jail these criminals so they send them here.  Cuba did the same thing in the 80's remember?  Sent his criminals and sick in thousands of boats pointed straight at Florida.  Turned Florida into the murder capitol for the country back then. Okay with him saying that a federal judge was incapable of not being biased because his parents came from Mexico?  There was a lot more history between him and the judge but you conveniently left that out.

When he called on a total ban of people based on their religion, you were ok with that? Wasn't a TOTAL ban.  A ban of people coming from certain countries that were determined by the previous admin. to be without means of vetting travelers properly and being a haven for the training of Muslim extremist terrorists.  How does that jibe with the concept of a country based and founded on the principle of religious freedom?  Jibes perfectly because in no way, shape, or form does it prevent anyone from practicing a religion.  Just protects this country from people of any religion with bad intent from arriving here from other countries who can't properly vette its travelors.

When Trump said he liked to grab married women by their private parts, you were ok with that?  He didn't say that he grabbed anyone (not even sure where the married thing came from, maybe just added for effect).  He said that he "could" if he wanted, but never said he did. How does that jibe with your concept of being a good christian?  It doesn't.  It doesn't jibe with anyone's concept of being a good anything.  You got him there.

How is it that we call the people who fought against the Nazis as "The Greatest Generation", but Trump says many of the people marching with the Nazis in Virginia are "good people"?  Identity politics.  You also must have been a math major, using the commutative property.  Were they the greatest generation because they supported fascism, or because the fought against it?

You claim to be for freedom of speech, but then say that a government permit should be required to exercise it?  The permit is to protect the freedom of speech     You get a permit so that the local municipality can prepare for it so that you can voice your opinion without the threat of violence or incarceration.  So that the protest remains orderly and doesn't spill out into the surrounding areas so innocent people don't get hurt.  So that a minority opinion doesn't get trampled on by the majority.  It's when there are no permits that crap happens, like this one.  If Evan is correct, the original permit was pulled.  Nobody should have been there as neither had a permit.  The cops should have done their jobs better.  Now you tell me........... How is does the opposition, to anything, showing up with weapons and helmets protecting freedom of speech?

Twisted logic is right!

[G-Man]

But at the end of the day, they were bigots.  I'm sure there was a word that had the same meaning back then.  The idea, or concept surely wasn't new.

The people in the torch line with the Nazi flags and the Jewish chants are bigots.
If we apply the same words to different things, what do the words mean?

A dictionary definition, with the accompanying example:

a person who is intolerant toward those holding different opinions.
"don't let a few small-minded bigots destroy the good image of the city"


Pedantically speaking, I can call (person whose posts I don't read) a bigot,
and he can call me one. Now what do we call the Nazi chanters? The same
thing?

-Mike

Bigotry is the umbrella term.  

Racism, sexism, age'ism, antisemitism, etc. all fall under the umbrella of Bigotry.  Intolerance to those of a specific group.  The reason for the intolerance defines the type of bigotry.

I do agree with the premise of "watering down" terms.  Like Terrorism.  Nowadays, everything is terrorism.  Even one off things, not associated with any religion, cause, history, etc.  For example, Oklahoma City, in my opinion, was a mass murder, not terrorism.  Nobody worried about this guy or any organization he belonged to before, or after, the bombing.  (another can of worms I guess).

[..]

As the smoke starts to clear

https://reason.com/blog/2017/08/16/virginia-state-police-say-they-didnt-fin

[98valk]

As the smoke starts to clear

https://reason.com/blog/2017/08/16/virginia-state-police-say-they-didnt-fin

another clinton democrat friend lying. who would have thought?

[hubcapsc]

was a mass murder

Murder will be a tough word for them to kill  

-Mike

[Jess from VA]

Everyone is giving Trump hell for saying both sides were in the wrong.  

They are saying the nazis, supremacists, and KKK are so much worse than the lefty Antifa, BLM, etc, that his statement was equivocation.  It wasn't equivocation, it was factually correct.

The idea that the far right is much worse than the far left is misguided idiocy, and factually incorrect.  Worse for who?

The far right KKK, supremacists, and nazis collectively constitute a very small number of people, with little to no real power to influence anything.  Their essential philosophy is simple minded hatred of minorities and Jews, a philosophy that is almost universally rejected by everyone.  It isn't complicated or subtle or difficult to understand at all.

The far left on the other hand, constitutes a large (and ever growing) number of people.  They are supported in word and deed by (much of) the Democratic party, the mainstream media, the education system from kindergarten to graduate school, most all universities (and surrounding town/city governments), a large percentage of teachers, some unions, several large voting block States, most city urban centers/govt, and European/worldwide socialists in general.  Their underlying philosophy is not simple and direct or easy to understand; it is full of lies, half truths, misdirection, deflection, setting men against men, stirring up trouble in every area possible, constant agitation, and a desire to create conflict in every aspect of life including democracy, elections, capitalism, business, free speech, toxic political correctness etc.  They are garnering more power and influence daily.

Who really constitutes the greatest threat (clear and present danger) to our American way of life?  

If through peaceful and lawful change, and elections, and State and Federal legislation in our democratic republic, we ultimately decide as a nation to become socialists like much of the rest of the world (much worse than we already are), so be it.  The far left is clearly not willing to wait or work for this through legitimate process.

I spent a great deal of my adult life in the military studying the art and methodology of killing communists (who are generally violent socialists).  It was not wasted time.

I dislike the far left much more than the far right.  Does that mean I am a far right sympathizer at heart?  No, it doesn't.  

[3fan4life]

Everyone is giving Trump hell for saying both sides were in the wrong.  

They are saying the nazis, supremacists, and KKK are so much worse than the lefty Antifa, BLM, etc, that his statement was equivocation.  It wasn't equivocation, it was factually correct.

The idea that the far right is much worse than the far left is misguided idiocy, and factually incorrect.  Worse for who?

The far right KKK, supremacists, and nazis collectively constitute a very small number of people, with little to no real power to influence anything.  Their essential philosophy is simple minded hatred of minorities and Jews, a philosophy that is almost universally rejected by everyone.  It isn't complicated or subtle or difficult to understand at all.

The far left on the other hand, constitutes a large (and ever growing) number of people.  They are supported in word and deed by (much of) the Democratic party, the mainstream media, the education system from kindergarten to graduate school, most all universities (and surrounding town/city governments), a large percentage of teachers, some unions, several large voting block States, most city urban centers/govt, and European/worldwide socialists in general.  Their underlying philosophy is not simple and direct or easy to understand; it is full of lies, half truths, misdirection, deflection, setting men against men, stirring up trouble in every area possible, constant agitation, and a desire to create conflict in every aspect of life including democracy, elections, capitalism, business, free speech, toxic political correctness etc.  They are garnering more power and influence daily.

Who really constitutes the greatest threat (clear and present danger) to our American way of life?  

If through peaceful and lawful change, and elections, and State and Federal legislation in our democratic republic, we ultimately decide as a nation to become socialists like much of the rest of the world (much worse than we already are), so be it.  The far left is clearly not willing to wait or work for this through legitimate process.

I spent a great deal of my adult life in the military studying the art and methodology of killing communists (who are generally violent socialists).  It was not wasted time.

I dislike the far left much more than the far right.  Does that mean I am a far right sympathizer at heart?  No, it doesn't.  

Very well said Sir.

It will most certainly fall on the deaf ears of those that need to hear it the most.

But it is still the truth.

[old2soon]

Again I duz agree with my Barrister Friend from VA.  I seem to rekemember a time when you could tell Who the enemy was just by how they dressed. RIDE SAFE.

[3fan4life]

I don't believe that either of these men would've been classified as racist in their day.

Certainly not Abraham Lincoln after all he did sign the Emancipation Proclamation.

I believe that both were saying that black people should be free.

But, they were tempering their remarks by the societal standards of the time.


Don't forget that there was a time when blood letting was standard medical practice and a Dr would've been banned from medicine had he spoken out against it.

Now days can you imagine the size of the malpractice suit if a Dr intentionally blood letted a patient?





An interesting side note:

The word Racism did not exist during the American Civil War.

The word was derived from the French word racisme, and did not become part of the english language until sometime between 1865-70.

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/racism

I had to come to an awful realization about 20 years ago.

I was raised in NYC, playing ball and going to school with kids of all colors.  I watched my father play ball with men of all colors.  I saw my parents interact with folks of all colors and never gave it a second thought.  Until I said I was getting engaged to a black woman. 

I used similar reasoning to explain their racism.  They grew up in different times.  Their parents were from a different place.  Etc.

But at the end of the day, they were bigots.  I'm sure there was a word that had the same meaning back then.  The idea, or concept surely wasn't new. 

Gary I knew that you had a personal stake in this topic.

I am truly sorry that your family did not approve of your choice for a spouse.

Hopefully they have seen the error of their ways and have since repented and reconciled.

Having met both of you I am certain your choice was the correct one.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Everyone is giving Trump hell for saying both sides were in the wrong.  

They are saying the nazis, supremacists, and KKK are so much worse than the lefty Antifa, BLM, etc, that his statement was equivocation.  It wasn't equivocation, it was factually correct.

The idea that the far right is much worse than the far left is misguided idiocy, and factually incorrect.  Worse for who?

The far right KKK, supremacists, and nazis collectively constitute a very small number of people, with little to no real power to influence anything.  Their essential philosophy is simple minded hatred of minorities and Jews, a philosophy that is almost universally rejected by everyone.  It isn't complicated or subtle or difficult to understand at all.

The far left on the other hand, constitutes a large (and ever growing) number of people.  They are supported in word and deed by (much of) the Democratic party, the mainstream media, the education system from kindergarten to graduate school, most all universities (and surrounding town/city governments), a large percentage of teachers, some unions, several large voting block States, most city urban centers/govt, and European/worldwide socialists in general.  Their underlying philosophy is not simple and direct or easy to understand; it is full of lies, half truths, misdirection, deflection, setting men against men, stirring up trouble in every area possible, constant agitation, and a desire to create conflict in every aspect of life including democracy, elections, capitalism, business, free speech, toxic political correctness etc.  They are garnering more power and influence daily.

Who really constitutes the greatest threat (clear and present danger) to our American way of life?  

If through peaceful and lawful change, and elections, and State and Federal legislation in our democratic republic, we ultimately decide as a nation to become socialists like much of the rest of the world (much worse than we already are), so be it.  The far left is clearly not willing to wait or work for this through legitimate process.

I spent a great deal of my adult life in the military studying the art and methodology of killing communists (who are generally violent socialists).  It was not wasted time.

I dislike the far left much more than the far right.  Does that mean I am a far right sympathizer at heart?  No, it doesn't.  

Your "truth" doesn't seem to be backed up by the facts.

https://www.cato.org/blog/terrorism-deaths-ideology-charlottesville-anomaly

[baldo]

Everyone is giving Trump hell for saying both sides were in the wrong.  

They are saying the nazis, supremacists, and KKK are so much worse than the lefty Antifa, BLM, etc, that his statement was equivocation.  It wasn't equivocation, it was factually correct.

The idea that the far right is much worse than the far left is misguided idiocy, and factually incorrect.  Worse for who?

The far right KKK, supremacists, and nazis collectively constitute a very small number of people, with little to no real power to influence anything.  Their essential philosophy is simple minded hatred of minorities and Jews, a philosophy that is almost universally rejected by everyone.  It isn't complicated or subtle or difficult to understand at all.

The far left on the other hand, constitutes a large (and ever growing) number of people.  They are supported in word and deed by (much of) the Democratic party, the mainstream media, the education system from kindergarten to graduate school, most all universities (and surrounding town/city governments), a large percentage of teachers, some unions, several large voting block States, most city urban centers/govt, and European/worldwide socialists in general.  Their underlying philosophy is not simple and direct or easy to understand; it is full of lies, half truths, misdirection, deflection, setting men against men, stirring up trouble in every area possible, constant agitation, and a desire to create conflict in every aspect of life including democracy, elections, capitalism, business, free speech, toxic political correctness etc.  They are garnering more power and influence daily.

Who really constitutes the greatest threat (clear and present danger) to our American way of life?  

If through peaceful and lawful change, and elections, and State and Federal legislation in our democratic republic, we ultimately decide as a nation to become socialists like much of the rest of the world (much worse than we already are), so be it.  The far left is clearly not willing to wait or work for this through legitimate process.

I spent a great deal of my adult life in the military studying the art and methodology of killing communists (who are generally violent socialists).  It was not wasted time.

I dislike the far left much more than the far right.  Does that mean I am a far right sympathizer at heart?  No, it doesn't.  

Your "truth" doesn't seem to be backed up by the facts.

https://www.cato.org/blog/terrorism-deaths-ideology-charlottesville-anomaly

Rob, you'll NEVER change their minds. The ultra-violent left responsible for multitudes of deaths is ingrained. I'd be real interested in seeing that list.

I applaud your genuinely sincere effort to find some common ground. I've tried in the past, but it appears the chasm might be a bit too wide.

Keep on keepin' on, my friend.

[3fan4life]

Everyone is giving Trump hell for saying both sides were in the wrong.  

They are saying the nazis, supremacists, and KKK are so much worse than the lefty Antifa, BLM, etc, that his statement was equivocation.  It wasn't equivocation, it was factually correct.

The idea that the far right is much worse than the far left is misguided idiocy, and factually incorrect.  Worse for who?

The far right KKK, supremacists, and nazis collectively constitute a very small number of people, with little to no real power to influence anything.  Their essential philosophy is simple minded hatred of minorities and Jews, a philosophy that is almost universally rejected by everyone.  It isn't complicated or subtle or difficult to understand at all.

The far left on the other hand, constitutes a large (and ever growing) number of people.  They are supported in word and deed by (much of) the Democratic party, the mainstream media, the education system from kindergarten to graduate school, most all universities (and surrounding town/city governments), a large percentage of teachers, some unions, several large voting block States, most city urban centers/govt, and European/worldwide socialists in general.  Their underlying philosophy is not simple and direct or easy to understand; it is full of lies, half truths, misdirection, deflection, setting men against men, stirring up trouble in every area possible, constant agitation, and a desire to create conflict in every aspect of life including democracy, elections, capitalism, business, free speech, toxic political correctness etc.  They are garnering more power and influence daily.

Who really constitutes the greatest threat (clear and present danger) to our American way of life?  

If through peaceful and lawful change, and elections, and State and Federal legislation in our democratic republic, we ultimately decide as a nation to become socialists like much of the rest of the world (much worse than we already are), so be it.  The far left is clearly not willing to wait or work for this through legitimate process.

I spent a great deal of my adult life in the military studying the art and methodology of killing communists (who are generally violent socialists).  It was not wasted time.

I dislike the far left much more than the far right.  Does that mean I am a far right sympathizer at heart?  No, it doesn't.  

Your "truth" doesn't seem to be backed up by the facts.

https://www.cato.org/blog/terrorism-deaths-ideology-charlottesville-anomaly

Man you really need to look for more legitimate sources.

The local authorities have confirmed that the counter-protesters showed up armed with weapons.

The were not there to conduct a peaceful protest.

The blood that was shed in Charlottesville this past Saturday is on their hands along with the guy that was driving the car that killed her.

[3fan4life]

Everyone is giving Trump hell for saying both sides were in the wrong.  

They are saying the nazis, supremacists, and KKK are so much worse than the lefty Antifa, BLM, etc, that his statement was equivocation.  It wasn't equivocation, it was factually correct.

The idea that the far right is much worse than the far left is misguided idiocy, and factually incorrect.  Worse for who?

The far right KKK, supremacists, and nazis collectively constitute a very small number of people, with little to no real power to influence anything.  Their essential philosophy is simple minded hatred of minorities and Jews, a philosophy that is almost universally rejected by everyone.  It isn't complicated or subtle or difficult to understand at all.

The far left on the other hand, constitutes a large (and ever growing) number of people.  They are supported in word and deed by (much of) the Democratic party, the mainstream media, the education system from kindergarten to graduate school, most all universities (and surrounding town/city governments), a large percentage of teachers, some unions, several large voting block States, most city urban centers/govt, and European/worldwide socialists in general.  Their underlying philosophy is not simple and direct or easy to understand; it is full of lies, half truths, misdirection, deflection, setting men against men, stirring up trouble in every area possible, constant agitation, and a desire to create conflict in every aspect of life including democracy, elections, capitalism, business, free speech, toxic political correctness etc.  They are garnering more power and influence daily.

Who really constitutes the greatest threat (clear and present danger) to our American way of life?  

If through peaceful and lawful change, and elections, and State and Federal legislation in our democratic republic, we ultimately decide as a nation to become socialists like much of the rest of the world (much worse than we already are), so be it.  The far left is clearly not willing to wait or work for this through legitimate process.

I spent a great deal of my adult life in the military studying the art and methodology of killing communists (who are generally violent socialists).  It was not wasted time.

I dislike the far left much more than the far right.  Does that mean I am a far right sympathizer at heart?  No, it doesn't.  

Your "truth" doesn't seem to be backed up by the facts.

https://www.cato.org/blog/terrorism-deaths-ideology-charlottesville-anomaly

Rob, you'll NEVER change their minds. The ultra-violent left responsible for multitudes of deaths is ingrained. I'd be real interested in seeing that list.

I applaud your genuinely sincere effort to find some common ground. I've tried in the past, but it appears the chasm might be a bit too wide.

Keep on keepin' on, my friend.

It seems to me that when it comes to closed minds you have a pretty good corner on the market.

Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.

[Jess from VA]

Deaths are only a single measure of negative impact.  It obviously does not include beatings, personal injuries, property damage, taxpayer expense to repair major destruction and all manner of things, political upheaval, and all the other types of damages involved.  I concede the far left has not killed that many people, so far.  

With 96-7 percent of deaths attributed to Islam (within the period of the study), the remaining 2-4 percent is very debatable.  Tim McVeigh is 77% of the right wing deaths.

I note the study does not discuss all the recent police murders.  They belong in the left wing column for sure (BLM or it's ilk).

I stand by each and every word of my post.

[..]

Deaths are only a single measure of negative impact.  It obviously does not include beatings, personal injuries, property damage, taxpayer expense to repair major destruction and all manner of things, political upheaval, and all the other types of damages involved.  I concede the far left has not killed that many people, so far.  

With 96-7 percent of deaths attributed to Islam (within the period of the study), the remaining 2-4 percent is very debatable.  Tim McVeigh is 77% of the right wing deaths.

I note the study does not discuss all the recent police murders.  They belong in the left wing column for sure (BLM or it's ilk).

I stand by each and every word of my post.

Surely those nice BLMers can't be included? Isn't that racist? Aren't all left/right wing nut jobs in the USA ONLY WHITE?

[The emperor has no clothes]

3fan, look at the statistics in that article. They go back for years. The Cato Institute is not exactly a bastion of liberalism.  

[G-Man]

Kinda like the pot calling the kettle black.

African American, you racist!      

[The emperor has no clothes]

Deaths are only a single measure of negative impact.  It obviously does not include beatings, personal injuries, property damage, taxpayer expense to repair major destruction and all manner of things, political upheaval, and all the other types of damages involved.  I concede the far left has not killed that many people, so far.  

With 96-7 percent of deaths attributed to Islam (within the period of the study), the remaining 2-4 percent is very debatable.  Tim McVeigh is 77% of the right wing deaths.

I note the study does not discuss all the recent police murders.  They belong in the left wing column for sure (BLM or it's ilk).

I stand by each and every word of my post.

Jess, surely by labeling the extreme left in such a way you would be able to bring some evidence to the court ?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Everyone is giving Trump hell for saying both sides were in the wrong.  

They are saying the nazis, supremacists, and KKK are so much worse than the lefty Antifa, BLM, etc, that his statement was equivocation.  It wasn't equivocation, it was factually correct.

The idea that the far right is much worse than the far left is misguided idiocy, and factually incorrect.  Worse for who?

The far right KKK, supremacists, and nazis collectively constitute a very small number of people, with little to no real power to influence anything.  Their essential philosophy is simple minded hatred of minorities and Jews, a philosophy that is almost universally rejected by everyone.  It isn't complicated or subtle or difficult to understand at all.

The far left on the other hand, constitutes a large (and ever growing) number of people.  They are supported in word and deed by (much of) the Democratic party, the mainstream media, the education system from kindergarten to graduate school, most all universities (and surrounding town/city governments), a large percentage of teachers, some unions, several large voting block States, most city urban centers/govt, and European/worldwide socialists in general.  Their underlying philosophy is not simple and direct or easy to understand; it is full of lies, half truths, misdirection, deflection, setting men against men, stirring up trouble in every area possible, constant agitation, and a desire to create conflict in every aspect of life including democracy, elections, capitalism, business, free speech, toxic political correctness etc.  They are garnering more power and influence daily.

Who really constitutes the greatest threat (clear and present danger) to our American way of life?  

If through peaceful and lawful change, and elections, and State and Federal legislation in our democratic republic, we ultimately decide as a nation to become socialists like much of the rest of the world (much worse than we already are), so be it.  The far left is clearly not willing to wait or work for this through legitimate process.

I spent a great deal of my adult life in the military studying the art and methodology of killing communists (who are generally violent socialists).  It was not wasted time.

I dislike the far left much more than the far right.  Does that mean I am a far right sympathizer at heart?  No, it doesn't.  

Your "truth" doesn't seem to be backed up by the facts.

https://www.cato.org/blog/terrorism-deaths-ideology-charlottesville-anomaly

Rob, you'll NEVER change their minds. The ultra-violent left responsible for multitudes of deaths is ingrained. I'd be real interested in seeing that list.

I applaud your genuinely sincere effort to find some common ground. I've tried in the past, but it appears the chasm might be a bit too wide.

Keep on keepin' on, my friend.

Thanks, Bob. I really have not much allusion to being able to change any minds. I do have a hard time remaining silent in the face of something that seems wrong. This club is definitely not for the weak of heart. I hope you guys have a great time on the Columbus Day Ride. Have a Portugese beer for me. 

[G-Man]

Deaths are only a single measure of negative impact.  It obviously does not include beatings, personal injuries, property damage, taxpayer expense to repair major destruction and all manner of things, political upheaval, and all the other types of damages involved.  I concede the far left has not killed that many people, so far.  

With 96-7 percent of deaths attributed to Islam (within the period of the study), the remaining 2-4 percent is very debatable.  Tim McVeigh is 77% of the right wing deaths.

I note the study does not discuss all the recent police murders.  They belong in the left wing column for sure (BLM or it's ilk).

I stand by each and every word of my post.

Don't concede so quickly.

I have never seen an explanation of how the Oklahoma City Bombing is considered a Terrorist attack.  This guy never did or threatened anything like this before so nobody was ever expecting, or waiting, or trying to anticipate it.  He, and the accomplices didn't name any terrorism or illegal or any other organizations or causes that they did it for.  It was 4 schmucks who were pissed off at how the gov't handled a few issues.  That's it.  Is that all that is needed to be labelled a terrorist?  I disagree with the NYC gov't in at least 20 different ways.  If I bomb the court house by Yankee stadium, without ever even threatening to do so, Am I really a terrorist?  Yes, I would be a murderer, or a mass murderer, but a terrorist?  

Deduct 168 from the body count.

[Jess from VA]

Deaths are only a single measure of negative impact.  It obviously does not include beatings, personal injuries, property damage, taxpayer expense to repair major destruction and all manner of things, political upheaval, and all the other types of damages involved.  I concede the far left has not killed that many people, so far.  

With 96-7 percent of deaths attributed to Islam (within the period of the study), the remaining 2-4 percent is very debatable.  Tim McVeigh is 77% of the right wing deaths.

I note the study does not discuss all the recent police murders.  They belong in the left wing column for sure (BLM or it's ilk).

I stand by each and every word of my post.

Jess, surely by labeling the extreme left in such a way you would be able to bring some evidence to the court ?

My evidence is in my post.  It is accurate.  It does not count deaths or objective statistics.  It speaks to the greater threat to America by left or right.  I will grant you the right has historically been able to bring more violence to bear than the left.  I'm good with that.  But that is not the trend right now. 

I refer you to the recent national election county-by-county map (nearly all red) for how Americans think about the left.

[Serk]

I hope you guys have a great time on the Columbus Day Ride.

Careful, don't let your leftists buddies see you refer to Indigenous People's  Day as Columbus Day or you might be the next one labeled as a Nazi.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Deaths are only a single measure of negative impact.  It obviously does not include beatings, personal injuries, property damage, taxpayer expense to repair major destruction and all manner of things, political upheaval, and all the other types of damages involved.  I concede the far left has not killed that many people, so far.  

With 96-7 percent of deaths attributed to Islam (within the period of the study), the remaining 2-4 percent is very debatable.  Tim McVeigh is 77% of the right wing deaths.

I note the study does not discuss all the recent police murders.  They belong in the left wing column for sure (BLM or it's ilk).

I stand by each and every word of my post.

Jess, surely by labeling the extreme left in such a way you would be able to bring some evidence to the court ?

My evidence is in my post.  It is accurate.  It does not count deaths or objective statistics.  It speaks to the greater threat to America by left or right.  I will grant you the right has historically been able to bring more violence to bear than the left.  I'm good with that.  But that is not the trend right now. 

I refer you to the recent national election county-by-county map (nearly all red) for how Americans think about the left.

Ok, let's put aside the murders and violence for now. You say the KKK, Wite Supremists are essentially weak and low in numbers and that the opposite is true for the extreme left. I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion ?

[The emperor has no clothes]

I hope you guys have a great time on the Columbus Day Ride.

Careful, don't let your leftists buddies see you refer to Indigenous People's  Day as Columbus Day or you might be the next one labeled as a Nazi.

I'm assuming you meant that as a joke ? Leftist buddies ? I have few.

[Jess from VA]

Deaths are only a single measure of negative impact.  It obviously does not include beatings, personal injuries, property damage, taxpayer expense to repair major destruction and all manner of things, political upheaval, and all the other types of damages involved.  I concede the far left has not killed that many people, so far.  

With 96-7 percent of deaths attributed to Islam (within the period of the study), the remaining 2-4 percent is very debatable.  Tim McVeigh is 77% of the right wing deaths.

I note the study does not discuss all the recent police murders.  They belong in the left wing column for sure (BLM or it's ilk).

I stand by each and every word of my post.

Don't concede so quickly.

I have never seen an explanation of how the Oklahoma City Bombing is considered a Terrorist attack.  This guy never did or threatened anything like this before so nobody was ever expecting, or waiting, or trying to anticipate it.  He, and the accomplices didn't name any terrorism or illegal or any other organizations or causes that they did it for.  It was 4 schmucks who were pissed off at how the gov't handled a few issues.  That's it.  Is that all that is needed to be labelled a terrorist?  I disagree with the NYC gov't in at least 20 different ways.  If I bomb the court house by Yankee stadium, without ever even threatening to do so, Am I really a terrorist?  Yes, I would be a murderer, or a mass murderer, but a terrorist?  

Deduct 168 from the body count.

Gary, I agree with you that McVeigh has been misclassified as a terrorist.  But that is really semantics of the meaning of terrorism (which really isn't relevant to this discussion).  He certainly can be easily classified a right wing extremist.  So his deaths still belong on the right side of the ledger.  He certainly was not a lefty.

And as far as that goes, while much black mayhem associated with BLM and police shootings and destruction of cities has usually been attributed to the left as it should be (as is the Free crap Army and free money and programs for everybody crowd), but, to the extent blacks murder whites (and white cops) out of pure racial hatred (without regard to left leaning politics at all), one might call those murders and injuries right wing extremism as well...... "rednecks" killing the other race based on race hatred alone is really the same whether it is black or white doing the killing.

I realize this puts more deaths and injuries into the right side of the column, but I stand on my assertion that today the risk to America is far greater from the left than the right.  

[Serk]

I hope you guys have a great time on the Columbus Day Ride.

Careful, don't let your leftists buddies see you refer to Indigenous People's  Day as Columbus Day or you might be the next one labeled as a Nazi.

I'm assuming you meant that as a joke ? Leftist buddies ? I have few.

Actually no, I was being very serious, not about you specifically, but pointing out how once we start sliding down the slope of saying it's okay to initiate violence against "Nazis" then it just becomes a matter of who gets to decide when someone's a Nazi... VERY dangerous slope to start sliding down. Very dangerous.

Step 1. Make it okay to kill Nazis.
Step 2. Anyone I disagree with is a Nazi.
Step 3. Not get the irony while watching all those "Nazis" get loaded onto trains and be taken away.
Step 4. Wait, I'M not a Nazi, why do I have to get on the train?!?!?!

[Jess from VA]

Deaths are only a single measure of negative impact.  It obviously does not include beatings, personal injuries, property damage, taxpayer expense to repair major destruction and all manner of things, political upheaval, and all the other types of damages involved.  I concede the far left has not killed that many people, so far.  

With 96-7 percent of deaths attributed to Islam (within the period of the study), the remaining 2-4 percent is very debatable.  Tim McVeigh is 77% of the right wing deaths.

I note the study does not discuss all the recent police murders.  They belong in the left wing column for sure (BLM or it's ilk).

I stand by each and every word of my post.

Jess, surely by labeling the extreme left in such a way you would be able to bring some evidence to the court ?

My evidence is in my post.  It is accurate.  It does not count deaths or objective statistics.  It speaks to the greater threat to America by left or right.  I will grant you the right has historically been able to bring more violence to bear than the left.  I'm good with that.  But that is not the trend right now.  

I refer you to the recent national election county-by-county map (nearly all red) for how Americans think about the left.

Ok, let's put aside the murders and violence for now. You say the KKK, Wite Supremists are essentially weak and low in numbers and that the opposite is true for the extreme left. I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion ?

OK, lets look at the world globalists wearing masks and violently demonstrating at the World Bank and other big banking meetings, lets look at the Occupy Wall Street who ended up occupying a large number of major cities for lengthy periods and their injuries to others and police and destruction of property, and millions in repairs, and lets look at the Soros crowds who showed up (on orders and for money) to republican candidate public meetings and beat people up, and the republican convention, and what happened in Fergusan MO, and Baltimore MD, and Dallas TX.  Look at the tens of thousands of snowflake college students seeking safe spaces, wanting all student loans forgiven, and now seeking a guaranteed annual income with no work/job.

Oklahoma City is old news.  Dillon Root is current news.  But show me anything like the above going on by the KKK, white supremacists, or American Nazis by comparison in the last 20 years.   Their numbers have been reported at all time lows for the last couple decades.  Skokie IL is really old news.  Aside from  Charlottesville, when was the last time these guys marched in any number anywhere?  The FBI did a really good job on the Klan (and continues to infiltrate any of these outfits it can).  There's just not much there at all.  

Sorry, I'm not doing web research for statistics and numbers.   It's plain as day to me (and many).  

[dinosnake]

Deaths are only a single measure of negative impact.  It obviously does not include beatings, personal injuries, property damage, taxpayer expense to repair major destruction and all manner of things, political upheaval, and all the other types of damages involved.  I concede the far left has not killed that many people, so far.  

With 96-7 percent of deaths attributed to Islam (within the period of the study), the remaining 2-4 percent is very debatable.  Tim McVeigh is 77% of the right wing deaths.

I note the study does not discuss all the recent police murders.  They belong in the left wing column for sure (BLM or it's ilk).

I stand by each and every word of my post.

Jess, surely by labeling the extreme left in such a way you would be able to bring some evidence to the court ?

My evidence is in my post.  It is accurate.  It does not count deaths or objective statistics.  It speaks to the greater threat to America by left or right.  I will grant you the right has historically been able to bring more violence to bear than the left.  I'm good with that.  But that is not the trend right now.  

I refer you to the recent national election county-by-county map (nearly all red) for how Americans think about the left.

Ok, let's put aside the murders and violence for now. You say the KKK, Wite Supremists are essentially weak and low in numbers and that the opposite is true for the extreme left. I'm not sure how you come to that conclusion ?

OK, lets look at the world globalists wearing masks and violently demonstrating at the World Bank and other big banking meetings, lets look at the Occupy Wall Street who ended up occupying a large number of major cities for lengthy periods and their injuries to others and police and destruction of property, and millions in repairs, and lets look at the Soros crowds who showed up (on orders and for money) to republican candidate public meetings and beat people up, and the republican convention, and what happened in Fergusan MO, and Baltimore MD, and Dallas TX.  Look at the tens of thousands of snowflake college students seeking safe spaces, wanting all student loans forgiven, and now seeking a guaranteed annual income with no work/job.

Oklahoma City is old news.  Dillon Root is current news.  But show me anything like the above going on by the KKK, white supremacists, or American Nazis by comparison in the last 20 years.   Their numbers have been reported at all time lows for the last couple decades.  Skokie IL is really old news.  Aside from  Charlottesville, when was the last time these guys marched in any number anywhere?  The FBI did a really good job on the Klan (and continues to infiltrate any of these outfits it can).  There's just not much there at all.  

Sorry, I'm not doing web research for statistics and numbers.   It's plain as day to me (and many).  

Because you're looking through that "plain as day" with a set of rose-colored glasses?

Yes, both right *and* left protest.  But then you pull out your ironic double-entendres: if so many "lefties" are "tree huggers", "pacifists" and "mooches", exactly where are they getting, and why would they own, the weapons that are often used in violent clashes?  And which "side" would you place the vast majority of NRA supporters?

Like Trump, you are using a false equivalence: Occupy Wall Street and World Band protests are non-lethal.  To claim "Look at the violent lefties!" while comparing them to well armed right-wing militia, neo-Nazi, white nationalist and Islamic State operatives, is well, I'm going to throw out the harsh word:

stupid

There is NO comparison.  Not many "lefties" decide to reinforce their beliefs with the power of munitions.  Many modern right-wing organizations, however, do.  

[The emperor has no clothes]

I hope you guys have a great time on the Columbus Day Ride.

Careful, don't let your leftists buddies see you refer to Indigenous People's  Day as Columbus Day or you might be the next one labeled as a Nazi.

I'm assuming you meant that as a joke ? Leftist buddies ? I have few.

Actually no, I was being very serious, not about you specifically, but pointing out how once we start sliding down the slope of saying it's okay to initiate violence against "Nazis" then it just becomes a matter of who gets to decide when someone's a Nazi... VERY dangerous slope to start sliding down. Very dangerous.

Step 1. Make it okay to kill Nazis.
Step 2. Anyone I disagree with is a Nazi.
Step 3. Not get the irony while watching all those "Nazis" get loaded onto trains and be taken away.
Step 4. Wait, I'M not a Nazi, why do I have to get on the train?!?!?!

I said that we should initiate violence towards Nazis ?  I wished Bob a great ride with Evan.

[baldo]

Sorry, I'm not doing web research for statistics and numbers.   It's plain as day to me (and many).  

Don't need no steenking facts, stats, or numbers....Of course not. Because you just ... know....

[baldo]

Because you're looking through that "plain as day" with a set of rose-colored glasses?

Yes, both right *and* left protest.  But then you pull out your ironic double-entendres: if so many "lefties" are "tree huggers", "pacifists" and "mooches", exactly where are they getting, and why would they own, the weapons that are often used in violent clashes?  And which "side" would you place the vast majority of NRA supporters?

Like Trump, you are using a false equivalence: Occupy Wall Street and World Band protests are non-lethal.  To claim "Look at the violent lefties!" while comparing them to well armed right-wing militia, neo-Nazi, white nationalist and Islamic State operatives, is well, I'm going to throw out the harsh word:

stupid

There is NO comparison.  Not many "lefties" decide to reinforce their beliefs with the power of munitions.  Many modern right-wing organizations, however, do.  

This is exactly right.

So now we're going to fill another couple of pages with you're wrong, I'm right crap. I'm going to make a sincere effort to not engage, so you fellas play amongst yourselves....

[RGM]

I DO NOT see the point in removing the Confederate statues - they are representing history.  As long as they are not being celebrated for being racists, but rather as brave men and women. The Civil War was more about economics, not race  / slavery so much. I'm not necessarily saying the people being honored with the statues  were right - only that they were major figures in an important event.

What other country puts up Statues of the losing side? How many statues of Hitler do you think are in Germany? How fast did the statues of Saddam Hussein come down in Iraq? The History is still in books and museums it doesn't need to be in  public places when it offends so many people.

[Serk]

What other country puts up Statues of the losing side?

So losing a military conflict means you don't get to memorialize those who fought in it?

Guess we better tear down statues memorializing Native Americans then...





Gotta tear down the Vietnam wall memorial, as well as other memorials to the brave soldiers we lost in that war as well...



What about wars that ended in a stalemate? Do we get to keep the Korean War Memorial, or does that get destroyed as well?

[Gavin_Sons]

I DO NOT see the point in removing the Confederate statues - they are representing history.  As long as they are not being celebrated for being racists, but rather as brave men and women. The Civil War was more about economics, not race  / slavery so much. I'm not necessarily saying the people being honored with the statues  were right - only that they were major figures in an important event.

What other country puts up Statues of the losing side? How many statues of Hitler do you think are in Germany? How fast did the statues of Saddam Hussein come down in Iraq? The History is still in books and museums it doesn't need to be in  public places when it offends so many people.

Wow. Some peoples thought process amaze me. Where does all of this stop? With the statues? Nope, it will carry over to history books, these dimwhits will call for it to be erased from history completely.  We better take down Martin Luther King Jr. Memorials and statues while we are at it also. 

[98valk]

I DO NOT see the point in removing the Confederate statues - they are representing history.  As long as they are not being celebrated for being racists, but rather as brave men and women. The Civil War was more about economics, not race  / slavery so much. I'm not necessarily saying the people being honored with the statues  were right - only that they were major figures in an important event.

What other country puts up Statues of the losing side? How many statues of Hitler do you think are in Germany? How fast did the statues of Saddam Hussein come down in Iraq? The History is still in books and museums it doesn't need to be in  public places when it offends so many people.

Wow. Some peoples thought process amaze me. Where does all of this stop? With the statues? Nope, it will carry over to history books, these dimwhits will call for it to be erased from history completely.  We better take down Martin Luther King Jr. Memorials and statues while we are at it also. 

Fahrenheit 451

[3fan4life]

There is NO comparison.  Not many "lefties" decide to reinforce their beliefs with the power of munitions.  Many modern right-wing organizations, however, do.  

Don't need no steenking facts, stats, or numbers....Of course not. Because you just ... know....

So now we're going to fill another couple of pages with you're wrong, I'm right crap.

It has been said that a picture is worth a thousand words:

Here are a few of those peaceful protesters beating a White supremacist.............




Here's another peaceful protester holding a sign saying that killing Nazis is his heritage..........
 


I'm curious as to why many of these peaceful protesters were wearing helmets?...........



Here's another one of those peaceful protesters clubbing a white supremacist...............




And the icing on the cake, some of those peaceful protesters from Anifta...........



If ANY of you are still unwilling to admit that at least some of the counter protesters were NOT there for a peaceful protest, then it clearly is you who are wearing "Rose Colored Glasses".

They may not have shown up with guns, but they did show up armed and looking for a fight.

It didn't take much for them to find the fight that they were looking for.

During the course of these fights James Alex Fields Jr drove his car into a crowd of people killing Heather Heyer and injuring 19 others.

Make no mistake about it the counter protesters that showed up looking for a fight share culpability in Heather's death and the injuries sustained by the other 19 people.

If any of you are unwilling to admit this than you are wearing "Rose Colored Glasses".

I don't believe that you will find a SINGLE person on this board that supports the views of the Neo-Nazi White Supremacists or the KKK.

No-one here is attempting to say that they were RIGHT.

But Anifta and the armed counter protesters were wrong as well.



 

[hubcapsc]

Thanks for posting those pictures, they weren't on the front page
of any of the "reputable" news sources I saw, and thanks to Donald
Trump for not being too cowardly to mention the "peaceful
protesters" in his remarks...

-Mike

[98valk]

https://news.unclesamsmisguidedchildren.com/antifa-new-nazis/

The narrative of the left that Conservatives and patriots are “nazis” is exactly how they plan to tear down the nation, and the problem appears to be escalating.

Are the protests “anti-Trump” or are they paid professionals who have joined a group whose purpose is to tear down America for good, using the momentum created by the left?

The word “Nazi” comes from The National Socialist German Workers’ Party  (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei). Socialist or Socialism is FAR LEFT. The truth is, Antifa has literally become the very thing they say they are protesting.

History and Excuses

Hitler rose to power, not just because of his oratory ability, but because of his willingness to use violence against his opposition. In 1933, he used the burning of the Reichstag in Berlin to claim that Communists were trying to overthrow the government. It was an excuse to unleash a “wave of terror” across the nation.

He utilized the SA, eventually Hitler Youth and the SS, and finally the Gestapo to accomplish his plans until his death in 1945. Isn’t that what ANTIFA is doing? Fomenting violence to accomplish their goals?

The SA played a prominent role in the 1938 “Kristallnacht” in which violent “demonstrations” destroyed 200 synagogues, over 7,000 Jewish businesses, the desecration of Jewish cemeteries, Jews murdered… as well as over 30,000 men arrested and taken to Concentration Camps.

Fast Forward to Today – Modern Day Nazis

ANTIFA are socialist/Fascists, just like the Nazis. And just like the Nazis, they use totalitarian methods – using violence and intimidation to advance their agenda. Exactly the same as Hitler’s methods. But they are not confined to one place, they are international- InterNazis.

    “Unlike the Storm Troopers of 1930s Germany, the Antifas are international, and represent an ideology that explicitly seeks the destruction of the nation-state and the abolition of national identity. Their mission is to deconstruct the nations of Europe so that Socialist Multiculturalism may be implemented with a minimum of resistance…” Gates of Vienna blog “The InterNazis“

With media in the pockets of the so-called “protesters,” we can expect the vicious nature of the opposition to grow.

    “To attract people, to win over people to that which I have realised as being true, that is called propaganda. In the beginning there is the understanding, this understanding uses propaganda as a tool to find those men, that shall turn understanding into politics. Success is the important thing. Propaganda is not a matter for average minds, but rather a matter for practitioners. It is not supposed to be lovely or theoretically correct. I do not care if I give wonderful, aesthetically elegant speeches, or speak so that women cry. The point of a political speech is to persuade people of what we think right.” Joseph Goebbels

[LTD]

All of this ends with a shallow ditch and bullet to the back of the head end  of story. Just like the communist revolution, Chinese communism, Cambodia, etc...These extreme lefties are truly insane dangerous and ultra violent. Heres how nutty they are they now want to take down a street named after the boston red sox owner for being the last owner to sign black baseball players in Boston, Mass. and you just thought it was southern confederate statues wrong these people want communism in the USA and if left unopposed they will have it. Let the shouting begin.