Charlottesville (VA) 'Unite the Right' rally

[Daddie O]

Defending their right to peaceably assemble does not make you a racist.  Not quite sure marching with torches and weapons, and running people over with cars counts as peaceable assembly.

[MP]

Defending their right to peaceably assemble does not make you a racist.  Not quite sure marching with torches and weapons, and running people over with cars counts as peaceable assembly.

ONE person ran some people over.  There is conflicting evidence as to if he did it on purpose, or trying to get away.  I will wait for the evidence to come in, before passing judgement on that.

The LEFT was there, as THEY stated, to physically disrupt the peaceable assembly of the far right wing, which I do not agree with.

The LEFT came armed also with bats, torches, sticks, guns.  So, do not put it all on the right wing.  There is plenty of blame to go around.

When BLM chants "kill the pigs", "kill whitey" , calls for disenfranchisement of whites, you think they ONLY want EQUALITY?  Does not sound like it to me.

I truly believe we are all equal.  Nobody is better than anyone else.  All should have same opportunity, not same outcome. You work hard, you should succeed, or fail, based on that alone.  Not color, not race, not religion, etc.  Seems like a whole chunk of our society, of all colors, want "success" handed to them, irregardless of their contribution.  They are OWED it.  NOPE.

[Reb]

Defending their right to peaceably assemble does not make you a racist.  Not quite sure marching with torches and weapons, and running people over with cars counts as peaceable assembly.

Agreed,

Neither does shooting police officers, burning businesses, or attacking supporters of an opposite view point. ( I believe both BLM and White Supremacists have crossed this line)

I have mixed feeling on running folks over with a vehicle. In the events over the weekend, definitely not justified in anyway.

If a peaceful protests tends to block traffic of a major highway or dense area of commuter traffic and infringes on the rights of neutral personnel trying to get from point A to B.
"If you're going to be stupid, You got to be tough"

If you need an example, I consider this Justified vehicular combat.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF_ILbWj3uY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEjpahorr78

[Robert]

Nice staging don't you think?   Dont take your eye off the ball.

This is still the lefts battle fighting Trump's election in office, this is just another way to fight. There has been every road block to Trump that could be thought of, Russia, leaks, immigration, investigation and now this. Know the real truth they are fighting in the streets.

 Causes are just excuses and justifications to stop the Trump admin from going forward. Dont get diverted, The left doesn't like Trump and want to stop him in any way possible. While its regrettable that we have to loose our heritage its a greater loss to loose Trumps agenda. Make America Great again and dont get caught in arguing an old issue, since its really not the point.

Find the money trail and you find the reason. Soros, Hillary are documented givers and should be brought up on charges of inciting riots and murder. Why did the cops stand down or divert protesters into the path of anifta? Why did the police allow the descration of a state monument?



Hillary Clinton Sent $800K from Campaign Funds to Her New ‘Resistance’ Group
http://freebeacon.com/issues/hillary-clinton-sent-800k-from-campaign-funds-to-her-new-resistance-group/

Antifa Started Violence In Charlottesville, Police Directed White Nationalists To Disperse To Where Antifa Was
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOT3wDR7WZU


Tucker Carlson Reacts To CharIottesviIIe | Tucker Carlson Tonight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DxQ7gUl6zg

Why did the police actually run away?



Soros-funded NGOs aiming to bring down Hungarian govt – foreign minister to RT


The nazi groups are not right with what they are doing but at least they are not paid protesters

Why are we allowing paid protesters to destroy public property?

Why are we not investigating them as a criminal organization?

Why are we questioning our values from paid protesters?

Because that is what they are paid to do its not good Samaritans protesting an issue.

[Earl43P]

Robert E Lee, despite his being a Confederate General, is rightfully honored as a US Veteran. Disparaging his honorable service to his country - as designated by a US Congressional Act - is despicable. All confederate soldiers deserve respect and honor for their service. Vandalizing their memorials and statues is despicable.

www.veteranstoday.com/2013/04/03/confederate-soldiers-American-veterans-by-act-of-congress/

www.truthorfiction.com/confederate-soldiers-are-considered-u-s-veterans-under-federal-law/

US Code Title 38 - Veterans' Benefits, Part II, Chapter Pension for Non-Service-Connected Disability or Death or for Service "Under current US Federal Code, Confederate Veterans are equivalent to Union Veterans."

//Daddio goes back on IGNORE// by < HIS Definition, George Washington was a domestic terrorist! 

Signed, a Pennsylvania-born and properly raised Yankee Veteran & proud supporter of ALL US Veterans.

[Daddie O]

Oh, General Lee was fighting for The United States of America during the Civil War?  I must've learned my history wrong.  I thought he fought AGAINST The United States of America.

Know one easy way to tell that white supremacists are total losers?  They march with the Nazi Flag and the Confederate Flag.  Those are the flags of those that lost wars to the United States of America.  I think it's nice of them to show their faces instead of hiding under the white hoods.  They're like, "look at me!  I'm a racist that identifies with people who lose when fighting against the USA!"

traitor
[trey-ter]
noun
1.
a person who betrays another, a cause, or any trust.
2.
a person who commits treason by betraying his or her country.

Yep, that pretty much describes confederates.  Treasonous betrayers of their country.

[3fan4life]

Oh, General Lee was fighting for The United States of America during the Civil War?  I must've learned my history wrong.  I thought he fought AGAINST The United States of America.

Robert E. Lee is by far the most respected General in US history, PERIOD!

He was asked by President Lincoln to lead the Northern Army should a war break out.

Lee responded that he would not fight against Virginia.

At the end of the war he was not ostracized or treated as a war criminal, he remained an honored and respected gentleman.

He would become the president of a college that is now Washington & Lee University;

Washington and Lee was founded in 1749 as a small classical school named Augusta Academy (later Liberty Hall Academy) by Scots-Irish Presbyterian pioneers, though the University has never claimed any sectarian affiliation. In 1796, George Washington endowed the struggling academy with a gift of stock, one of the largest gifts to an educational institution at the time. In gratitude, the school was renamed for the first United States President. In 1865, after his surrender at Appomattox Court House, former General Robert E. Lee served as president of the college until his death in 1870, when the college was renamed Washington and Lee University.[5] Washington and Lee is the ninth-oldest institution of higher learning in the United States and the second-oldest in Virginia.

Anyone trying to demonize Robert E. Lee knows NOTHING about the man or the history of the civil war.

But then many people who think themselves to be intelligent open their mouths and prove themselves to be idiots!

Abraham Lincoln is credited with saying, "It is better for a man to be thought a fool. Than to open his mouth and remove all doubt".

[3fan4life]

Know one easy way to tell that white supremacists are total losers?  They march with the Nazi Flag and the Confederate Flag.  Those are the flags of those that lost wars to the United States of America.  I think it's nice of them to show their faces instead of hiding under the white hoods.  They're like, "look at me!  I'm a racist that identifies with people who lose when fighting against the USA!"

The White Supremacists have taken the Confederate Flag and perverted it the same way that the Gay rights movement have taken the symbolicism of the rainbow and perverted it.

[Daddie O]

Big shocker Gen. Lee took a job at Washington College.  During the Civil War, the students of Washington College raised the Confederate flag in support of Virginia's secession. The students formed the Liberty Hall Volunteers, as part of the Stonewall Brigade under General Stonewall Jackson and marched from Lexington.

One of Lee's failings as president of Washington College was an apparent indifference to crimes of violence towards blacks committed by students at the college. Historian Elizabeth Brown Pryor notes that students at Washington College formed their own chapter of the KKK and were known by the local Freedmen’s Bureau to attempt to abduct and rape black schoolgirls from the nearby black schools. There were also at least two attempted lynchings by Washington students during Lee’s tenure. Yet Lee seemed to punish the racial harassment more laxly than he did more trivial offences, or turned a blind eye to it altogether.  What a stand-up guy!

[Daddie O]

Know one easy way to tell that white supremacists are total losers?  They march with the Nazi Flag and the Confederate Flag.  Those are the flags of those that lost wars to the United States of America.  I think it's nice of them to show their faces instead of hiding under the white hoods.  They're like, "look at me!  I'm a racist that identifies with people who lose when fighting against the USA!"

The White Supremacists have taken the Confederate Flag and perverted it the same way that the Gay rights movement have taken the symbolicism of the rainbow and perverted it.

Your logic is completely twisted.  White supremacists took the battle flag of those fighting to keep African American slaves as a symbol for white supremacy.  That is not a perversion, but rather a continuation of what it always stood for.  Gay people using a rainbow flag to symbolize that all colors (and sexual orientations) are equal is not a perversion either.

[Robert]

Oh, General Lee was fighting for The United States of America during the Civil War?  I must've learned my history wrong.  I thought he fought AGAINST The United States of America.

Yes the same US that was cheating them out of money, the same way Brittan cheated the US out of money.

Liberals are fond of referring to Lincoln's concern about corporate power, summed up in a letter he is often claimed to have written to Col. William F. Elkins in November 1864:

    "I see in the near future a crisis approaching that unnerves me and causes me to tremble for the safety of my country....corporations have been enthroned and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until all wealth is aggregated in a few hands and the Republic is destroyed."

Lincoln’s observation is prescient. But here’s the inconvenient truth: Some of the most powerful corporations of his time were wildly enriched by having a friend in one Abraham Lincoln.

Through Lincoln’s skilled legal arguments, the railroad barons increased their wealth and a lot of others got the short end of the stick. Land owners were sharply limited in the compensation they could receive when a right-of-way was granted over their property for a railroad line. As historian James W. Ely Jr. has documented,

Lincoln first appeared for the Illinois Central Railroad, probably the largest business corporation in the state, in May 1853. He was handsomely rewarded for his successful advocacy for the company. By October of that year, Illinois Central placed him on retainer and gave him the special bonus of a free annual pass on the line.

During the late 1850s, Lincoln collected more fees from Illinois Central Railroad than from any other single client, and he was closely associated with Illinois Central until his election to the presidency. Just before his nomination for president in May 1860, Lincoln won a big tax case for his main client, Illinois Central.

The relationship between corporate interests like the railroad industry and slavery was complex. Political scientist Thomas Ferguson has observed that some of the railway tycoons genuinely disliked slavery, and their support for Lincoln had an element of moral and philosophical conviction. But for most, the bottom line was the bottom line. They needed an advocate who could help them expand a profitable industry westward, and Lincoln was their man.

 As they grew more powerful, the railroad companies began to squeeze out competitors and charge outrageous prices. Farmers were held hostage to railways that refused to move their goods unless they paid what was demanded. Because of their wealth, railroad barons could afford to buy and rent politicians in Washington.

Dred Scott v. Sandford, 60 U.S. 393 (1857), also known simply as the Dred Scott case, was a landmark decision by the United States Supreme Court on US labor law and constitutional law. It held that "a negro, whose ancestors were imported into [the U.S.], and sold as slaves", whether enslaved or free, could not be an American citizen and therefore had no standing to sue in federal court, and that the federal government had no power to regulate slavery in the federal territories acquired after the creation of the United States. Dred Scott, an enslaved man of "the negro African race" who had been taken by his owners to free states and territories, attempted to sue for his freedom. In a 7–2 decision written by Chief Justice Roger B. Taney, the court denied Scott's request. The decision was, at the time, only the second time that the Supreme Court had ruled an Act of Congress to be unconstitutional.

[Daddie O]

Robert, your post was long and convoluted.  The US was cheating itself out of money?  The southern states were being taxed without representation?  WTH are you talking about?

Lincoln worked as an attorney for the railroads, so?

The Supreme Court got it very wrong in Dred Scott case, but how does this even apply to the arguments about Gen. Lee, statues of him, white supremacy marches or the response to them?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Robert E. Lee is by far the most respected General in US history, PERIOD!

Rather presumptuous on your part. PERIOD !

Eisenhower

Washington

Patton

I'm sure there are more.

[Karen]

Did anyone else notice the leftists that were armed with clubs, had safety glasses and helmets on. I'm sure their intentions were to allow those who were standing for free speech to express their opinions peacefully. I also just bought an Australian bridge. Where is the media?

[Willow]

Robert E. Lee is by far the most respected General in US history, PERIOD!

Rather presumptuous on your part. PERIOD !

Eisenhower

Washington

Patton

I'm sure there are more.

A quick review of the available assessments rank George Washington consistently as number one where Robert E. Lee regularly ranks third or fourth.  The rest of the rankings are largely varied.

Interesting is that Washington and Lee were both slave holders.

[Gavin_Sons]

California must teach alternative history     

[RP#62]

Wonder how long this article will stay up.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/08/14/dallas-group-forms-to-protect-confederate-monuments/

-RP

[The emperor has no clothes]

Wonder how long this article will stay up.

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2017/08/14/dallas-group-forms-to-protect-confederate-monuments/

-RP

Interesting article. Thanks for posting it. 

[3fan4life]

What a stand-up guy!

Yes he was a real stand up guy:

Robert E. Lee's Opinion Regarding Slavery
This letter was written by Lee in response to a speech given by then President Pierce.

Robert E. Lee letter dated December 27, 1856:

       I was much pleased the with President's message. His views of the systematic and progressive efforts of certain people at the North to interfere with and change the domestic institutions of the South are truthfully and faithfully expressed. The consequences of their plans and purposes are also clearly set forth. These people must be aware that their object is both unlawful and foreign to them and to their duty, and that this institution, for which they are irresponsible and non-accountable, can only be changed by them through the agency of a civil and servile war. There are few, I believe, in this enlightened age, who will not acknowledge that slavery as an institution is a moral and political evil. It is idle to expatiate on its disadvantages. I think it is a greater evil to the white than to the colored race. While my feelings are strongly enlisted in behalf of the latter, my sympathies are more deeply engaged for the former. The blacks are immeasurably better off here than in Africa, morally, physically, and socially. The painful discipline they are undergoing is necessary for their further instruction as a race, and will prepare them, I hope, for better things. How long their servitude may be necessary is known and ordered by a merciful Providence. Their emancipation will sooner result from the mild and melting influences of Christianity than from the storm and tempest of fiery controversy. This influence, though slow, is sure. The doctrines and miracles of our Saviour have required nearly two thousand years to convert but a small portion of the human race, and even among Christian nations what gross errors still exist! While we see the course of the final abolition of human slavery is still onward, and give it the aid of our prayers, let us leave the progress as well as the results in the hands of Him who, chooses to work by slow influences, and with whom a thousand years are but as a single day. Although the abolitionist must know this, must know that he has neither the right not the power of operating, except by moral means; that to benefit the slave he must not excite angry feelings in the master; that, although he may not approve the mode by which Providence accomplishes its purpose, the results will be the same; and that the reason he gives for interference in matters he has no concern with, holds good for every kind of interference with our neighbor, -still, I fear he will persevere in his evil course. . . . Is it not strange that the descendants of those Pilgrim Fathers who crossed the Atlantic to preserve their own freedom have always proved the most intolerant of the spiritual liberty of others?

"With all my devotion to the Union and the feeling of loyalty and duty of an American citizen, I have not been able to make up my mind to raise my hand against my relatives, my children, my home. I have therefore resigned my commission in the Army, and save in defense of my native State, with the sincere hope that my poor services may never be needed, I hope I may never be called on to draw my sword....." Lee in a letter to his sister, April 20, 1861

Robert E. Lee attended West Point and graduated second in his class. During his four years at the military academy he did not earn a single demerit and served as the cadet corps' adjutant.

After the war Lee returned to Richmond as a paroled prisoner of war, and submitted with the utmost composure to an altered destiny. He devoted the rest of his life to setting an example of conduct for other thousands of ex-Confederates. He refused a number of offers which would have secured substantial means for his family. Instead, he assumed the presidency of Washington College (now Washington and Lee University) in Lexington, Virginia, and his reputation revitalized the school after the war. Lee's enormous wartime prestige, both in the North and South, and the devotion inspired by his unconscious symbolism of the "Lost Cause" made his a legendary figure even before his death.

Ulysses Grant on the other hand led a presidency that was wrought with scandal:

Ulysses Grant’s time in office was marked by scandal and corruption, although he himself did not participate in or profit from the misdeeds perpetrated by some of his associates and appointees. During his first term, a group of speculators led by James Fisk (1835-1872) and Jay Gould (1836-1892) attempted to influence the government and manipulate the gold market. The failed plot resulted in a financial panic on September 24, 1869, known as Black Friday. Even though Grant was not directly involved in the scheme, his reputation suffered because he had become personally associated with Fisk and Gould prior to the scandal.

Another major scandal was the Whiskey Ring, which was exposed in 1875 and involved a network of distillers, distributors and public officials who conspired to defraud the federal government of millions in liquor tax revenue. Grant’s private secretary, Orville Babcock (1835-1884), was indicted in the scandal; however, the president defended him and he was acquitted.

He died practically penniless:

He invested his savings in a financial firm in which his son was a partner; however, the firm’s other partner swindled its investors in 1884, causing the business to collapse and bankrupting Grant.

He struggled with alcohol throughout his life:

Grant’s taste for strong drink first became problematic in the early 1850s, when he was reportedly forced to resign from the army for being caught drunk on duty. He swore off alcohol for most of the next decade, only to fall off the wagon during the Civil War. Grant’s penchant for binge drinking was usually kept in check by his teetotaler adjutant, Colonel John Rawlins, but rumors that he was intoxicated during battles swirled around him for most of the war. For his part, Abraham Lincoln appeared unperturbed by the gossip. When a group of congressmen once alleged that Grant was a drunk, the President supposedly responded by asking what kind of whiskey the General preferred. “I urged them to ascertain and let me know,” Lincoln later said, “for if it made fighting generals like Grant, I should like to get some of it for distribution.”

[Daddie O]

Did you even read the quotes you posted?  You are calling him a stand up guy after he says that his sympathies are more deeply engaged for the white race, that blacks are better off as slaves than they were in Africa, and the painful discipline they are undergoing as slaves is necessary for their further instruction as a race!!!  That their servitude is ordered by God?!  That being a slave owner is a spiritual liberty?!  After the war that he lost he then took over a school that used to fly the traitorous confederate flag as he turned a blind eye to the attempted rapes and lynchings that his students engaged in toward black Americans.

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?!  How does that in any way make him a "stand up guy"?

You then go on to say Grant was scandalous, though he did not participate or profit from any scandal?
That Grant struggled with alcohol?

How dare you elevate a man who thought that God was for slavery, that whites are superior to other races!  A man that is the very definition of a traitor that turned on his country, and turned a blind eye to atrocities committed by students under his charge! 

You then go on to besmirch a brave, and victorious general that helped to save our country by defending the Constitution from domestic enemies!  Your line of thinking is truly bizarre!

[franco6]

and of course the russian putine are laughing their heads off ,wringing their hands ,congratulating each other on the plan to dismember America going well!     

[Serk]

I just realized something rather ironic about this whole situation...

We've got Antifa/BLM, the current violent and racist wing of the Democrat party fighting the KKK, the former violent and racist wing of the Democrat party...

Hmmm... I think we found the root cause!

[Robert]

You know I think Daddio you are taking things out of context. Anifta is doing it on purpose but you I think are doing it by ignorance no malice intended. I have learned that when you look at any time by the morals and thought of another time you could really get a much different reaction to the actions, thoughts of the time.

 Take fashion for example, today we laugh at fashion in the earlier years since we have changed our styles so much. If someone wore 80"s or 70's clothes today we would think them strange. Well its the same thing when you start to look at ideas and history and what made that time.

In the 1800's slavery and racism was accepted ideas and ways of life were different. If today you look at those times with judgement you have now you are like throw them in prison. Judging men and actions in light of today's morals and acting on them is never a good idea. We should cherish what came before and know how far we have come as a nation and people. Just like you keep baby pictures around of your kids. It is a reminder of how things were things we love.

We today in Texas would not think of walking around with guns strapped in holsters in gun belts but we look at that and know it was accepted in those times. But we do watch westerns and see that bit of history glamorized and shown.


Mens actions are the same way, that is why I posted on Lincoln. We have him in Washington and he has his own monument, should we take that down knowing how good he was at throwing people off their own land, or that he was a shill in some cases for the railroads, the very ones that used government money to build their empire and get fabulously wealthy, while knowing that tariffs were going on in the south and people were living in poor conditions.  

Both sides can quote whatever they want because no man is usually all evil or good. But he has to be judged by the time they lived in otherwise it means nothing. Its only a small part of the whole taken out of context and meaning.

For 150 years the US had only the Mayflower Compact as a constitution, imaging how much attitudes had changed from that. That has to be understood that when the Constitution was framed it was done with an innocence in mind that was not the times we are living in. That is why we get the quote that this constitution is wholly inadequate for a people who do not have morals.

I the US even in the 1800's we had no money as a nation, schools used the bible as a school book and people who were considered for government positions, unless they belonged to a church could not get that position. We had no income taxes until the 1910 or there about, so much different than it was today.

From John Adams to Massachusetts Militia, 11 October 1798
https://founders.archives.gov/documents/Adams/99-02-02-3102
We shall have the Strongest Reason to rejoice in the local destination assigned Us by Providence. But should the People of America, once become capable of that deep Start deletion, simulation towards one another and towards foreign nations, which assumes the Language of Justice and moderation while it is practicing Iniquity and Extravagance; and displays in the most captivating manner the charming Pictures of Candour frankness & sincerity while it is rioting in rapine and Insolence: this Country will be the most miserable Habitation in the World. Because We have no Government armed with Power capable of contending with human Passions unbridled by morality and Religion. Avarice, Ambition  Start deletion,and, End,Revenge or Galantry, would break the strongest Cords of our Constitution as a Whale goes through a Net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other

[RP#62]

So, when do we start changing the names of buildings named after Robert Byrd and tearing down his statue?

"More than 50 buildings built with funds from US taxpayers directed to West Virginia are named for either Byrd or his wife, Erma Ora Byrd"

-RP

[baldo]

So, when do we start changing the names of buildings named after Robert Byrd and tearing down his statue?

"More than 50 buildings built with funds from US taxpayers directed to West Virginia are named for either Byrd or his wife, Erma Ora Byrd"

-RP

I don't think he would be a good example...

He saw the error of his ways, and regretted his involvement in the KKK for the rest of his days....

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/lawmaker-news/106809-robert-byrd-a-true-statesman-rep-john-lewis

[3fan4life]

Know one easy way to tell that white supremacists are total losers?  They march with the Nazi Flag and the Confederate Flag.  Those are the flags of those that lost wars to the United States of America.  I think it's nice of them to show their faces instead of hiding under the white hoods.  They're like, "look at me!  I'm a racist that identifies with people who lose when fighting against the USA!"

The White Supremacists have taken the Confederate Flag and perverted it the same way that the Gay rights movement have taken the symbolicism of the rainbow and perverted it.

Your logic is completely twisted.  White supremacists took the battle flag of those fighting to keep African American slaves as a symbol for white supremacy.  That is not a perversion, but rather a continuation of what it always stood for.  Gay people using a rainbow flag to symbolize that all colors (and sexual orientations) are equal is not a perversion either.

Biblically The rainbow is a sign from God,

 13 I have set my rainbow in the clouds, and it will be the sign of the covenant between me and the earth. 14 Whenever I bring clouds over the earth and the rainbow appears in the clouds, 15 I will remember my covenant between me and you and all living creatures of every kind. Never again will the waters become a flood to destroy all life. 16 Whenever the rainbow appears in the clouds, I will see it and remember the everlasting covenant between God and all living creatures of every kind on the earth.”

To hijack something with such biblical significance and use it to represent activities that are an abomination to God is a perversion.

Leviticus 18:22 (ESV)

22 You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.

[MP]

So, when do we start changing the names of buildings named after Robert Byrd and tearing down his statue?

"More than 50 buildings built with funds from US taxpayers directed to West Virginia are named for either Byrd or his wife, Erma Ora Byrd"

-RP

I don't think he would be a good example...

He saw the error of his ways, and regretted his involvement in the KKK for the rest of his days....

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/lawmaker-news/106809-robert-byrd-a-true-statesman-rep-john-lewis

Yep.  Since he is a Democrat, he is allowed to disavow his former Racist views, and all is well.

If a Republican has said ONE least little bit racist thing in the past, he is NEVER allowed to disavow it. NEVER.

[Serk]

He saw the error of his ways, and regretted his involvement in the KKK for the rest of his days....

Please show me where Robert E Lee went to his grave an avowed member of the KKK. I can't find any information that he was ever associated with the Klan at all, ever.

[Robert]

Hugo Black
Lawyer, U.S. Representative, Supreme Court Justice(1886–1971)

Hugo Black was a 20th century attorney, senator and Supreme Court justice known for both his membership in the KKK and Mason member.

 Black won a seat in 1926 and became a supporter of President Franklin D. Roosevelt's New Deal policies.

This ruling was one of Blacks that changed the US forever changed US court precedence and went well outside the case. His civil rights rulings were part of the new deal that was talked about. So how should we look at him?

The First Amendment has erected a wall between church and state. That wall must be kept high and impregnable. We could not approve the slightest breach. [Progressive]

[3fan4life]

Did you even read the quotes you posted?

Sorry, I forgot that in your mind I'm just a stupid SOB from the South and we are all too stupid to read. 

ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND?!  

No, but you obviously are.

You then go on to besmirch a brave, and victorious general that helped to save our country by defending the Constitution from domestic enemies!  Your line of thinking is truly bizarre!

I didn't make up those words. Some of them were even a direct quote from Lincoln concerning Grant.

You do realize that Grant was not brave, he was brutal. And from what history suggests may have been drunk while commanding battles.

It seems that you want to be selective about what history has to say about the man and about the civil war.

That doesn't surprise me.

Liberals are famous for only seeing what they want to see as truth and flat out ignoring any and all evidence to the contrary.


Here's one of those little facts:

Given the vast number of resources that the North had compared to the South the war should have been over in months, instead it lasted five years.

The Confederate Army was clearly the better Army.

The South did not lose the war because of incompetence, it lost because it never really had a chance to start with.


Of course you wouldn't actually know any of this, since you are in California, which lives in its own little world of make believe.

[scooperhsd]

When can we start taking down MLK jr and other Civil Right movement statues / commemorations ? It's the same thing. It's part of our history.

The snowflakes who want to take down the Confederacy memorials are coming from false pretenses. Just because a statue makes them feel "oppressed" - really ? First thing I would tell them would be to go read some history, and the second would be to go through public channels , so EVERYBODY has a say in it.

[baldo]

He saw the error of his ways, and regretted his involvement in the KKK for the rest of his days....

Please show me where Robert E Lee went to his grave an avowed member of the KKK. I can't find any information that he was ever associated with the Klan at all, ever.

Not talking about Lee. I was referring to Byrd.

[Serk]

He saw the error of his ways, and regretted his involvement in the KKK for the rest of his days....

Please show me where Robert E Lee went to his grave an avowed member of the KKK. I can't find any information that he was ever associated with the Klan at all, ever.

Not talking about Lee. I was referring to Byrd.

This whole Charlottesville thing started because they were planning on taking down a statue of Robert E. Lee.

[baldo]

He saw the error of his ways, and regretted his involvement in the KKK for the rest of his days....

Please show me where Robert E Lee went to his grave an avowed member of the KKK. I can't find any information that he was ever associated with the Klan at all, ever.

Not talking about Lee. I was referring to Byrd.

This whole Charlottesville thing started because they were planning on taking down a statue of Robert E. Lee.

Yes, I know. But coming right on the heels of a discussion of Byrd, I thought that was your focus. Apologies.

[Gavin_Sons]

So, when do we start changing the names of buildings named after Robert Byrd and tearing down his statue?

"More than 50 buildings built with funds from US taxpayers directed to West Virginia are named for either Byrd or his wife, Erma Ora Byrd"

-RP

I don't think he would be a good example...

He saw the error of his ways, and regretted his involvement in the KKK for the rest of his days....

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/lawmaker-news/106809-robert-byrd-a-true-statesman-rep-john-lewis

But that's ok since he was a democrat right? Another example of being a hypocrite.    

[The emperor has no clothes]

He saw the error of his ways, and regretted his involvement in the KKK for the rest of his days....

Please show me where Robert E Lee went to his grave an avowed member of the KKK. I can't find any information that he was ever associated with the Klan at all, ever.

Not talking about Lee. I was referring to Byrd.

This whole Charlottesville thing started because they were planning on taking down a statue of Robert E. Lee.

Not really. The issue went to the court. It been put off till then. This was about the KKK, neo nazis, white Supremists flexing their muscles. "Unite the Right" jump aboard if you want. An organized event of racists descending on Charlottesville because they feel emboldened.

[baldo]

So, when do we start changing the names of buildings named after Robert Byrd and tearing down his statue?

"More than 50 buildings built with funds from US taxpayers directed to West Virginia are named for either Byrd or his wife, Erma Ora Byrd"

-RP

I don't think he would be a good example...

He saw the error of his ways, and regretted his involvement in the KKK for the rest of his days....

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/lawmaker-news/106809-robert-byrd-a-true-statesman-rep-john-lewis

But that's ok since he was a democrat right? Another example of being a hypocrite.    

Here you go, fella. Some light reading for you. Don't say I never gave you anything.

http://factmyth.com/factoids/democrats-and-republicans-switched-platforms/

More here...

https://www.google.com/search?q=republican+democrat+switch+1960s&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiE2t3U79vVAhUFeSYKHfghAScQ1QIIjgEoBQ&biw=1600&bih=791

And here...

https://www.google.com/search?q=democrats+republicans+flip+ideology&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Pull up a chair.

[baldo]

He saw the error of his ways, and regretted his involvement in the KKK for the rest of his days....

Please show me where Robert E Lee went to his grave an avowed member of the KKK. I can't find any information that he was ever associated with the Klan at all, ever.

Not talking about Lee. I was referring to Byrd.

This whole Charlottesville thing started because they were planning on taking down a statue of Robert E. Lee.

Not really. The issue went to the court. It been put off till then. This was about the KKK, neo nazis, white Supremists flexing their muscles. "Unite the Right" jump aboard if you want. An organized event of racists descending on Charlottesville because they feel emboldened.

Truer words were never spoken.

To go on the record, I've never agreed with all the statues being torn down. I feel that it's only thrown fuel on a fire that was already lit.

If for nothing else, they should be left in place to show where we should never go again.

[3fan4life]

So, when do we start changing the names of buildings named after Robert Byrd and tearing down his statue?

"More than 50 buildings built with funds from US taxpayers directed to West Virginia are named for either Byrd or his wife, Erma Ora Byrd"

-RP

I don't think he would be a good example...

He saw the error of his ways, and regretted his involvement in the KKK for the rest of his days....

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/lawmaker-news/106809-robert-byrd-a-true-statesman-rep-john-lewis

But that's ok since he was a democrat right? Another example of being a hypocrite.    

Here you go, fella. Some light reading for you. Don't say I never gave you anything.

http://factmyth.com/factoids/democrats-and-republicans-switched-platforms/

More here...

https://www.google.com/search?q=republican+democrat+switch+1960s&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiE2t3U79vVAhUFeSYKHfghAScQ1QIIjgEoBQ&biw=1600&bih=791

And here...

https://www.google.com/search?q=democrats+republicans+flip+ideology&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8

Pull up a chair.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say/prove here.

Your middle link confirms that the 2 parties did switch platforms during the 60's/70's.

[Serk]

Here you go, fella. Some light reading for you. Don't say I never gave you anything.

I'm also a generous guy, and like to give back. Here, pull up a chair and prepare to be educated on reality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiprVX4os2Y