VP Pence leaves Colts/49er's game

[Rams]

No way this could have been a planned political stunt.  ???

If the plan was to leave if the "protesters" decided, again, to disrespect the Flag, the National Anthem, every Veterian that has served, and America in general, then it's a plan I agree with.  Political or not.

The "protesters" put the plan into action.

Mike Pence did what I would have done.

Bill, that's fine. But lets take it for what it was, a stunt to show up the protesters.

It's all about perspective.   Yours is obviously not shared by many.

I can live with that.

I sincerely doubt you realize how personal this attack is to the vast majority of Americans, especially Veterans.   I view it similar to pissing on the graves of all those who have served in the past to give you and those protestors the right they are now using.    Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.    If at some point in the future someone finds a way to truly insult you and what you believe in, please let us know.    I'll be sure to remind you of this protest.    Yes, I take this very personally.

Ron, please listen to this. I am not in favor of these players taking a knee, IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM ! I think what they are doing is stupid and wrong. I think the owners are just as dumb for letting them do it. They have clauses in their contracts for "conduct detrimental to the team". I think they should apply those clauses. I am a veteran. I would never do anything disrespectful towards our country, nor would I let any of my children or grandchildren. But to say the are "pissing on the graves" is not true. They are taking a knee in protest of what they believe are injustices towards people of color. You fought for this right, I served for this right. Regardless of how stupid theses protesters are.

So, your responses to this should be interpreted as strictly anti-Trump/Republican/Conservative or what?  

[cookiedough]

Although I haven't actually looked for it, it seems the networks are passing on showing the national anthem.

I didn't see it before the Giants/Chargers game, so I didn't boycott the game. 

I did see a lot of empty seats, but that may be partly because the Giants are tanking big time, which makes me smile.  And the reason I watched it was to hopefully see them lose again, which they did.

Aaron Rodgers has still got it.

Apparently, no one protested at that game.

I was watching the Kansas City/ Houston game when I visited this web page.

http://www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/251686/nfl-players-who-protested-during-national-anthem-in-week-5

4 Kansas City players protested, so I shut the game off.

Hopefully, I get to see the Yankees get beat.

the Packers organization is class act role model for the most part that I am aware of for the entire NFL.   Packers is fan owned so we as shareholders (not me though) have some say in what they do.  I can not think of anyone with any dignity would disrespect America like that, but could be wrong.  I thought I saw though a few weeks ago a few Packer players kneeling as well, but could be mistaken? since no longer showing playing of the Anthem,  hard to tell just on TV what is really being done at the stadium.

Back on track:  Does anyone really think that VP Pence leaving was not just a planned event already knowing he would leave before the game started?  Am sure it was all planned knowing full well NFL players would kneel to take a stand with Trump on this issue and the media soaked it all in showing it dozens of times.  Trump and the NFL big wigs right now do not like each other and this media event by VP Pence is for Trump.

[Rams]

Back on track:  Does anyone really think that VP Pence leaving was not just a planned event already knowing he would leave before the game started?  Am sure it was all planned knowing full well NFL players would kneel to take a stand with Trump on this issue and the media soaked it all in showing it dozens of times.  Trump and the NFL big wigs right now do not like each other and this media event by VP Pence is for Trump.

The whole point is, he would not stay and watch those who showed such disrespect to the flag, anthem, this country and those who have served.   Planned or not, meathead seems to be the only one that cares about that.    I fully support VP Pence and his actions on this.

[The emperor has no clothes]

No way this could have been a planned political stunt.  ???

If the plan was to leave if the "protesters" decided, again, to disrespect the Flag, the National Anthem, every Veterian that has served, and America in general, then it's a plan I agree with.  Political or not.

The "protesters" put the plan into action.

Mike Pence did what I would have done.

Bill, that's fine. But lets take it for what it was, a stunt to show up the protesters.

It's all about perspective.   Yours is obviously not shared by many.

I can live with that.

I sincerely doubt you realize how personal this attack is to the vast majority of Americans, especially Veterans.   I view it similar to pissing on the graves of all those who have served in the past to give you and those protestors the right they are now using.    Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.    If at some point in the future someone finds a way to truly insult you and what you believe in, please let us know.    I'll be sure to remind you of this protest.    Yes, I take this very personally.

Ron, please listen to this. I am not in favor of these players taking a knee, IN ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM ! I think what they are doing is stupid and wrong. I think the owners are just as dumb for letting them do it. They have clauses in their contracts for "conduct detrimental to the team". I think they should apply those clauses. I am a veteran. I would never do anything disrespectful towards our country, nor would I let any of my children or grandchildren. But to say the are "pissing on the graves" is not true. They are taking a knee in protest of what they believe are injustices towards people of color. You fought for this right, I served for this right. Regardless of how stupid theses protesters are.

So, your responses to this should be interpreted as strictly anti-Trump/Republican/Conservative or what?  

My response to Pence's action yesterday was it was a stunt set up knowing the outcome. He knew the 49ers were going to take a knee, he knew he would make a show of it by walking out. All at the expense of showing his boss he is a loyal lap dog. If he is a true conservative he sure is willing to throw it out the window for a political stunt.

[Rams]

So, your responses to this should be interpreted as strictly anti-Trump/Republican/Conservative or what?  

My response to Pence's action yesterday was it was a stunt set up knowing the outcome. He knew the 49ers were going to take a knee, he knew he would make a show of it by walking out. All at the expense of showing his boss he is a loyal lap dog. If he is a true conservative he sure is willing to throw it out the window for a political stunt.

So, Anti-Trump?

[Willow]

So, your responses to this should be interpreted as strictly anti-Trump/Republican/Conservative or what?  

My response to Pence's action yesterday was it was a stunt set up knowing the outcome. He knew the 49ers were going to take a knee, he knew he would make a show of it by walking out. All at the expense of showing his boss he is a loyal lap dog. If he is a true conservative he sure is willing to throw it out the window for a political stunt.

So, Anti-Trump?

Yes.  Meathead and a few others have demonstrated repeatedly that they will be against anything done by the President or Vice President and they will always assume the worst in those cases and insist they are correct regardless of any argument of evidence to the contrary.  During the administration of President Obama we certainly had several members who displayed the same perspective regarding the standing President.  To attempt to have a logical discussion or argument with such persons is wasting space on the board and time.  One who holds such opinions, and I am likely one, would be most considerate by not contrarily participating in discussions in which there is no chance of his considering or being swayed by what is presented by others.

For what it's worth, my opinion is that refusing to acknowledge the validity of the duly elected President of the United States is spitting upon the voting citizenry in much the same way that refusing to stand for the anthem is disrespecting the nation.  That was true for President Obama and is true for President Trump.       

[The emperor has no clothes]

So, your responses to this should be interpreted as strictly anti-Trump/Republican/Conservative or what?  

My response to Pence's action yesterday was it was a stunt set up knowing the outcome. He knew the 49ers were going to take a knee, he knew he would make a show of it by walking out. All at the expense of showing his boss he is a loyal lap dog. If he is a true conservative he sure is willing to throw it out the window for a political stunt.

So, Anti-Trump?

Yes.  Meathead and a few others have demonstrated repeatedly that they will be against anything done by the President or Vice President and they will always assume the worst in those cases and insist they are correct regardless of any argument of evidence to the contrary.  During the administration of President Obama we certainly had several members who displayed the same perspective regarding the standing President.  To attempt to have a logical discussion or argument with such persons is wasting space on the board and time.  One who holds such opinions, and I am likely one, would be most considerate by not contrarily participating in discussions in which there is no chance of his considering or being swayed by what is presented by others.

For what it's worth, my opinion is that refusing to acknowledge the validity of the duly elected President of the United States is spitting upon the voting citizenry in much the same way that refusing to stand for the anthem is disrespecting the nation.  That was true for President Obama and is true for President Trump.       

Against anything ? You would be wrong.

[Rams]

For what it's worth, my opinion is that refusing to acknowledge the validity of the duly elected President of the United States is spitting upon the voting citizenry in much the same way that refusing to stand for the anthem is disrespecting the nation.  That was true for President Obama and is true for President Trump.       

Noted   

[Robert]

For what it's worth, my opinion is that refusing to acknowledge the validity of the duly elected President of the United States is spitting upon the voting citizenry in much the same way that refusing to stand for the anthem is disrespecting the nation.  That was true for President Obama and is true for President Trump.       

Noted   

 




Oh, say can you see by the dawn’s early light
What so proudly we hailed at the twilight’s last gleaming?
Whose broad stripes and bright stars thru the perilous fight,
O’er the ramparts we watched were so gallantly streaming?
And the rocket’s red glare, the bombs bursting in air,
Gave proof through the night that our flag was still there.
Oh, say does that star-spangled banner yet wave
O’er the land of the free and the home of the brave?


It would be interesting if they were still around to explain why the the NFL take a knee to the ones who raised this flag.

 No argument could justify this cause over respecting the blood and lives of the ones that gave them this right.

 

[f6gal]

No way this could have been a planned political stunt.  ???

From what I heard Pence had been planning to go to this game for quite some time (long before this became a huge issue), because of Manning's jersey being retired.

Too bad the rest of the crowd didn't stand and follow him out.

[Patrick]

I don't see it as a political stunt. I believe the VP was hoping the players would do the right thing for that game at least.
I too wish the rest of the crowd followed the VP and had left.

[baldo]

What a tool....

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/busted-pence-made-press-wait-in-van-so-he-could-leave-game-early-for-taxpayer-funded-stunt-nbc-reports/

[Rams]

What a tool....

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/busted-pence-made-press-wait-in-van-so-he-could-leave-game-early-for-taxpayer-funded-stunt-nbc-reports/

Yeah, a lot of us like that................. 

[old2soon]

An Uncle I Never knew died at Normandy-WWII. A Cousin I Did Know died in Nam. A Guy I went to School with died in Nam. Wish them and the Others that have made The Ultimate Sacrifice were here now to get their point of view. While I am Not Sure of their view I may be fairly Certain as to what their view might be. RIDE SAFE.

[Hook#3287]

My response to Pence's action yesterday was it was a stunt set up knowing the outcome. He knew the 49ers were going to take a knee, he knew he would make a show of it by walking out. All at the expense of showing his boss he is a loyal lap dog. If he is a true conservative he sure is willing to throw it out the window for a political stunt.

Rob, I think you may miss the fact that those "protesters" did not HAVE to take a knee.  I'm sure they knew their Vice President of the United States would be attending and what their action would do.

It is their action that has divided the country, even more than what they are protesting,  put a large dent in the reputation of the NFL and put President Trump and Vice President Pence in the position of standing up to them.

I'm glad that someone has the balls to flip them off.

[Gavin_Sons]

What a tool....

https://www.rawstory.com/2017/10/busted-pence-made-press-wait-in-van-so-he-could-leave-game-early-for-taxpayer-funded-stunt-nbc-reports/

they sure have a lot of questions about this to be posting it as fact. Who is the tool now?

[solo1]

Quoting MSNBC? HAHAHAHAHA.

So what if he did?  Like this hasn't been before by politicians, the media, MacArthur (I shall Return)and many others.

The FACT remains.  Taking a knee is an INSULT to our Republic, our Flag, and all of those who have died in defense of our country.

These despicable millionaires who do just one thing, entertain, don't get it.

It is NOT About Trump. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

My response to Pence's action yesterday was it was a stunt set up knowing the outcome. He knew the 49ers were going to take a knee, he knew he would make a show of it by walking out. All at the expense of showing his boss he is a loyal lap dog. If he is a true conservative he sure is willing to throw it out the window for a political stunt.

Rob, I think you may miss the fact that those "protesters" did not HAVE to take a knee.  I'm sure they knew their Vice President of the United States would be attending and what their action would do.

It is their action that has divided the country, even more than what they are protesting,  put a large dent in the reputation of the NFL and put President Trump and Vice President Pence in the position of standing up to them.

I'm glad that someone has the balls to flip them off.

Bill, I agree. They just shouldn't play it off as some spontaneous event. He knew exactly what was going down.

[Robert]

Was it a political stunt or was it something he scheduled from before but knew he would not be able to stay since he assumed what they would do?

I would say the latter, because he could have pressed the issue in so many other ways.

The NFL had a choice but that means they denied the man something he wanted to do and disrespected the office of VP.

He could not in good conscience stay.

If I were him I would have done the same thing, going in hopes they would not be A@@@@s but ready to leave in case they were.

[LandElephant]

Can someone tell me what inequality and police brutallity isrequiring this protest? If it's the ones being portaited by the news media then didn't those through the court system established by the constitution and we found inocent by a gury of their peers.

As far sa inequality, why aren't you the enlightened not screaming at the politictians who have progromated thegovernment programs that may in their tought process help the minorities to better themselves, but instead reward failure by givingthem living substaining wages and benefits so that it is easier to stay on the nipple of the governmentthen advance themselves.

As far as the NFL players I wouldbe more receptive if they show me they are doing something about the police brutality inequalities than state they are supporting there team mate becausePresident Trump pissed in their Wheaties.

How many of these same athletes took scholarships from other needed student who actually make a real change.  Then when the four years of football is over leave school without graduatingand then talk about inequalities.

I understand RAMS position. Believe me if youhad one of your fellow comrades in arms die in your arms you would truely understand the sacrific of the American military person. Floating around the ocean trying to just get by doesn't drive home that point.  To stand at the grave site and watch the anguish of the family who lost their husband, father, son, or daughter is heart wrenching. Nothing that you enlighten can say to me will ever justifythe total disrespect being displayed to our servicemen and women.

Charles Morse
MSGT retire USMC

And I have buried to many servicemen to accept your weak argument.

[f6gal]

My response to Pence's action yesterday was it was a stunt set up knowing the outcome. He knew the 49ers were going to take a knee, he knew he would make a show of it by walking out. All at the expense of showing his boss he is a loyal lap dog. If he is a true conservative he sure is willing to throw it out the window for a political stunt.

Rob, I think you may miss the fact that those "protesters" did not HAVE to take a knee.  I'm sure they knew their Vice President of the United States would be attending and what their action would do.

It is their action that has divided the country, even more than what they are protesting,  put a large dent in the reputation of the NFL and put President Trump and Vice President Pence in the position of standing up to them.

I'm glad that someone has the balls to flip them off.

Bill, I agree. They just shouldn't play it off as some spontaneous event. He knew exactly what was going down.

If it was a stunt, the smart move on the part of the players wound have been to stand and foil the plan.

[old2soon]

Maybe some of these overpaid sides of beef should visit where or somewhere like I did Saturday. The V A Nursing Home in St. James Missouri. But Any V A Hospital or V A Nursing home will do. Or attend a P G R Mission. Again-any one will do. Or a War Memorial-again-Any one will do. Most of us here get it. Some-sadly-do not. RIDE SAFE.

[The emperor has no clothes]

My response to Pence's action yesterday was it was a stunt set up knowing the outcome. He knew the 49ers were going to take a knee, he knew he would make a show of it by walking out. All at the expense of showing his boss he is a loyal lap dog. If he is a true conservative he sure is willing to throw it out the window for a political stunt.

Rob, I think you may miss the fact that those "protesters" did not HAVE to take a knee.  I'm sure they knew their Vice President of the United States would be attending and what their action would do.

It is their action that has divided the country, even more than what they are protesting,  put a large dent in the reputation of the NFL and put President Trump and Vice President Pence in the position of standing up to them.

I'm glad that someone has the balls to flip them off.

Bill, I agree. They just shouldn't play it off as some spontaneous event. He knew exactly what was going down.

If it was a stunt, the smart move on the part of the players wound have been to stand and foil the plan.

Agreed, I've said numerous times they are being plain stupid.

[Valker]

No way this could have been a planned political stunt.  ???

Yep. Probably like the players planned political stunt.

[The emperor has no clothes]

No way this could have been a planned political stunt.  ???

Yep. Probably like the players planned political stunt.

Agreed. Shouldn't we expect more from a Vice President than a football player though ? I do.

[Robert]

Why should a VP of the US be held hostage in not going to a game he wants to go to?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Why should a VP of the US be held hostage in not going to a game he wants to go to?

I haven't seen anybody say he should.

[Moonshot_1]

No way this could have been a planned political stunt.  ???

Yep. Probably like the players planned political stunt.

Agreed. Shouldn't we expect more from a Vice President than a football player though ? I do.

I expect him to represent me. He did. With class. Me and millions of fellow citizens who are really fed up with the NFL. I hope he goes to another game next week and walks out if players kneel again. Call it a stunt if you wish. As I understand it, his attendance at this game was planned far in advance.

[Alpha Dog]

No way this could have been a planned political stunt.  ???

Yep. Probably like the players planned political stunt.

Agreed. Shouldn't we expect more from a Vice President than a football player though ? I do.

I expect him to represent me. He did. With class. Me and millions of fellow citizens who are really fed up with the NFL. I hope he goes to another game next week and walks out if players kneel again. Call it a stunt if you wish. As I understand it, his attendance at this game was planned far in advance.

Since the Colts announced  Peyton Manning Day ( inducted into the Colts Ring of Honor, and a Statue at Lucas Oil Stadium ) on May 9th of this year,  One would have to assume that Pence, ( Born and raised in Columbus, IN and congressman in Indiana for a dozen years or so and then Governor from 2013 to 2017, and one heck of a nice guy )  would have jumped at this opportunity shortly after the announcement. It would allow security plenty of time to due their job.   It was not done on a whim, of that I am certain since most teams last year did not take the knee.   Unfortunately when most teams have gone back to standing ( after 3 weeks ago ) in come the 49ers who have far to many players insisting on this stunt, instead of figuring out what the heck has gone wrong with this franchise, who have posted a stellar 2 wins, 19 losses since Capernick started all this nonsense.  Karma can be a son of a gun.

[Pete]

No way this could have been a planned political stunt.  ???

Yep. Probably like the players planned political stunt.

Agreed. Shouldn't we expect more from a Vice President than a football player though ? I do.

NO.
WHY?

[The emperor has no clothes]

No way this could have been a planned political stunt.  ???

Yep. Probably like the players planned political stunt.

Agreed. Shouldn't we expect more from a Vice President than a football player though ? I do.

NO.
WHY?

If I need to explain why we should expect more from a Vice President than a privileged football player, then no explanation will get thru.

[Rams]

Well, I see that Baldo's latest post was deleted before I could respond.   Pretty crude but, I'm an adult, haven't lead a life not lacking most experiences and can handle it if I have/need to.
 
That's OK.

I'll just say this.   VP Pence can repeat his action every game this season.
I am a Chiefs fan.  I tune into every game I can see.   I have yet to be able to watch a game.    I always end up having to change the channel after the National Anthem.   My way of walking out of the game.

The networks are playing games now with showing the National Anthem and what players are doing.   They program around this part of the game and show commercials.   So, I keep my lap top in the search mode and find out who did what.   So far, I have yet to watch a full quarter of any NFL game this season which means, I'm also not seeing the commercials.   Hopefully, eventually the sponsors, NFL and the players will get the message.   Yes, VP Pence did precisely the right thing, my hat is off to him.

Sure hope he runs for President.  I like him.  YMMV   

[Pete]

No way this could have been a planned political stunt.  ???

Yep. Probably like the players planned political stunt.

Agreed. Shouldn't we expect more from a Vice President than a football player though ? I do.

NO.
WHY?

If I need to explain why we should expect more from a Vice President than a privileged football player, then no explanation will get thru.

As American citizens I expect them both to behave themselves and honor the flag/anthem. And I do not understand why you would not expect the same!

[The emperor has no clothes]

No way this could have been a planned political stunt.  ???

Yep. Probably like the players planned political stunt.

Agreed. Shouldn't we expect more from a Vice President than a football player though ? I do.

NO.
WHY?

If I need to explain why we should expect more from a Vice President than a privileged football player, then no explanation will get thru.

As American citizens I expect them both to behave themselves and honor the flag/anthem. And I do not understand why you would not expect the same!

Stunts unfortunately are to be expected from many entertainers and sports figures. It should not be expected from our Vice President. 

[Pete]

Most (me included) do not care if VP planned it or rehearsed or was ask to do it. HE DID IT is what matters.

Same with the players, we do not care how or even why. THEY DID IT.

So now we the American public, decide who we would like to be associated it.

AND IT IS NOT THE NFL.

[baldo]

Well, I see that Baldo's latest post was deleted before I could respond.   Pretty crude but, I'm an adult, haven't lead a life not lacking most experiences and can handle it if I have/need to.

Again, a post deleted. There was no cursing, no derogatory names, no personal attacks.
 Just a differing opinion to the vast majority of this forum. Go figure
 

I am a Chiefs fan.  I tune into every game I can see.   I have yet to be able to watch a game.    I always end up having to change the channel after the National Anthem.   My way of walking out of the game.

Too bad, Ron. You're missing some excellent football. KC could go all the way this year,
 they look pretty good.

[Willow]

Again, a post deleted. There was no cursing, no derogatory names, no personal attacks.
 Just a differing opinion to the vast majority of this forum. Go figure

That would be a lie.  The verbage within the image you posted was highly unacceptable.  If you don't like it feel free to go elsewhere I'm getting weary of dealing with your crap.

[Rams]

Well, I see that Baldo's latest post was deleted before I could respond.   Pretty crude but, I'm an adult, haven't lead a life not lacking most experiences and can handle it if I have/need to.

Again, a post deleted. There was no cursing, no derogatory names, no personal attacks.
 Just a differing opinion to the vast majority of this forum. Go figure
 

I am a Chiefs fan.  I tune into every game I can see.   I have yet to be able to watch a game.    I always end up having to change the channel after the National Anthem.   My way of walking out of the game.

Too bad, Ron. You're missing some excellent football. KC could go all the way this year,
 they look pretty good.

No, not really.   You see, I'm much more a "fan" of our flag, our anthem, and veterans than I could ever be of entertainers, even the KC Chiefs.   It's too bad you aren't.  

Again, a post deleted. There was no cursing, no derogatory names, no personal attacks.
 Just a differing opinion to the vast majority of this forum. Go figure

That would be a lie.  The verbage within the image you posted was highly unacceptable.  If you don't like it feel free to go elsewhere I'm getting weary of dealing with your crap.

Reference the deleted post, I'm a big boy and have heard and used such language previously in my life and to be honest, know the vocabulary well enough that I can be incited to utilize it when called upon to do so.   Doesn't mean I'm proud of it but, to suggest in any way that it was any where even close to what you just said is an out right lie.   It is what it is Bob.   Using that language would get my mouth washed out with lye soap as a child.    By The Way, don't swallow..............

[Willow]

Reference the deleted post, I'm a big boy and have heard and used such language previously in my life and to be honest, know the vocabulary well enough that I can be incited to utilize it when called upon to do so.   Doesn't mean I'm proud of it but, to suggest in any way that it was any where even close to what you just said is an out right lie.   It is what it is Bob.   Using that language would get my mouth washed out with lye soap as a child.    By The Way, don't swallow..............

It was the application of the words and not simply the social acceptability of the words themselves.  I had previously stated we would not put up with that sort of reference to the President or others.

[Rams]

Reference the deleted post, I'm a big boy and have heard and used such language previously in my life and to be honest, know the vocabulary well enough that I can be incited to utilize it when called upon to do so.   Doesn't mean I'm proud of it but, to suggest in any way that it was any where even close to what you just said is an out right lie.   It is what it is Bob.   Using that language would get my mouth washed out with lye soap as a child.    By The Way, don't swallow..............

It was the application of the words and not simply the social acceptability of the words themselves.  I had previously stated we would not put up with that sort of reference to the President or others.

That you did.