IT'S ELECTION TIME , UNOFFICIAL POLL ......Vote Here !

[Regis]

An "idiot" ! Thanks ! No offense taken ! I wont resort to name calling , its so " 15 minutes ago ... Just sayin !" Like all other cliche~ responses i read ! If being uneducated and being an "idiot" is what I am thats fine . I'm also debt free , owe noone anything and will have my house paid off in 6 years , have been totally uneffected by the recession and am in fine health for 44 ! I could run a 10k tomorrow if i wanted . I'm on no meds , eat healthy and excercise regularly ... Pretty dumb!

[LL]

But if you loose your job tomorrow, become ill the day after, get behind on your last 6 years of mortgage payments, find the IRS looking for money cause you have not paid the penalty of no insurance...
Being debt free don't mean squat!

[Willow]

An "idiot" ! Thanks ! No offense taken ! I wont resort to name calling , its so " 15 minutes ago ... Just sayin !" Like all other cliche~ responses i read ! ...

Oops!  Too late!    

... what a bunch of whack jobs !

I agree that name calling is over the top, but the best way we can combat it is to not participate.

Can't we all just disagree in a respectful manner?

[Regis]

well then I'm sure my skills as a tradesman that is in high demand and my savings would carry me through , not to mention the 1 + yrs worth of food staples stored in my basement . anything else ?

[Regis]

 willow !!! I meant whack jobs as "religious extremists " anyone here fall into that category ?

[Regis]

But if you loose your job tomorrow, become ill the day after, get behind on your last 6 years of mortgage payments, find the IRS looking for money cause you have not paid the penalty of no insurance...
Being debt free don't mean squat!

If the tooth fairy came tonight and stole all my teeth I'b be gummin my food !

[Regis]

willow ?  hmmm uh , hello ?

[musclehead]

I thought about puting up a poll like this some time ago. as pointed out this is a predominantly conservative group due to age and education and I thought the results would be overwhelmingly for Romney.

lets hope the results nationwide reflect this forums wishes.

. I've met alot of "educated" corporate people who were dumb as a root ! But what would I know
I'm uneducated. Nice subtle hint though !

thanks, I'm usually as subtle as a sledge hammer wrapped in velvet 

[czuch]

I told my son who wasnt interested in politics because he's "Young and wont be affected till he's older"...     his words
Just because youre not interested in politics,
Dont think politics arent interested in you.
I'll be pullin for RR and prayin for our country.

[Regis]

I'd say overall its gonna be a very close election .

[Regis]

But if you loose your job tomorrow, become ill the day after, get behind on your last 6 years of mortgage payments, find the IRS looking for money cause you have not paid the penalty of no insurance...
Being debt free don't mean squat!

If being debt free doesnt mean anything then lets all run out and max out our CC's and live it up !!!! Thats what got us where we are ! YOU do it ! I'm fine where I am .

[Willow]

willow !!! I meant whack jobs as "religious extremists " anyone here fall into that category ?

lol!  I certainly do.  

Based on the context, it looked like you might have been referring to those vocally supporting those two candidates.  

Just a quick thought, what do you think are the chances there are no Mormons or Muslims that read and/or participate on this board?

Just an observation on my part, correct me if I'm wrong.  The origination of the references to "drinking the Kool-aide" tracks back to Jonestown when hundreds of Jim Jones' followers mindlessly swallowed poisoned drink at his bidding.  When someone says, or communicates through his signature line, that everyone who supports either political party is mindlessly swallowing poison, isn't that a lot like someone else saying anyone who holds a particular view is either delusional, ill-informed or an idiot?

I'm just saying there are a lot of us that maybe could benefit from showing a little more respect.    We (including me) do seem to see it more readily in others.    

[Willow]

willow ?  hmmm uh , hello ?

Why, hello!   

[Chiefy]

As far as "wasting" a vote on Johnson.  If he can get get 5% of the votes this election, then in 2016 the Libertarians will get the same money the Dems and the Reupubs get from the government, plus they will automatically be on the ballot in all 50 states.  Which would be a major step in breaking the 2 party stranglehold.

As far as him taking votes from Romney...... In close states, he seems to draw from Romney in a couple of states, and from Obama in other states.  Remember that Libertarians are predominantly ex Dems, and Ex repubs.  I think that makes him different from other 3rd party candidates like Ross Perot.  A disgruntled Obama voter from '08 may never vote Repub, but they might vote Libertarian.  Point being, I don't think it's clear what so ever that Johnson will swipe votes from Romney.  Let's face it, this election was Romney's to walk off with.  The fact that it's close means people don't really like or trust him.  If he doesn't win this one, it's no one's fault but his own.

Lastly, I'd like to observe that since no Johnson supporter is going to vote for Romney or Obama, maybe the Republican voters should dump Romney and vote Johnson.  Why waste a vote on someone who might not win?  

[Regis]

yes , you could interpret it that way , not that I meant it that way ,but its my way of poking fun at the whole "koolaide " reference in general  , and Yes I'm fully aware of the "Jim Jones " thing ! But no , I'm not trying to be disrespectful .  I've just seen the Koolaide thing spread around so ...frequently !

[Regis]

Willow , I'd say Muslims are pretty rare on this board ,Mormons maybe as infrequent ... And honestly , from all the other Muslim comments on here I'd be willing to guess mine are pretty tame . But if you'll do a little research you'll find that Mormons are religious extremists in American History .

[PaulO]

Regis,
  I am sorry if you think I called you an idiot.  I did not.  I did say that that was one of the possibilities for someone who thinks Mitt Romney and Obama are the same.  I too am debt free, my house and toys are paid for and am at present only affected by the recession as you are.  That is in less value to my paid for house, almost everything I buy is more expensive, my health insurance costs have risen over 30% in the last few years, gas is double in the last four.  On top of that the more the fed "buys back" national debt by printing more money the more of the national debt I pay back every day in all listed above.  Unnafected?  BTW and I sincerely mean this, I have many marketable skills as do many of my friends and family.  If the market shrinks they are not very marketable anymore. I hope this does not happen to you.
Paul

[f6john]

    I'll tell you who is dumb! I still can't figure out how you can be debt free and still owe 6 years on a mortgage. One beating their chest about there good fortune and/or their education is just not kool.  

[Willow]

Willow , I'd say Muslims are pretty rare on this board ,Mormons maybe as infrequent ... And honestly , from all the other Muslim comments on here I'd be willing to guess mine are pretty tame . But if you'll do a little research you'll find that Mormons are religious extremists in American History .

I'll agree that the occurrence of Muslims in the VRCC is rare, but when one posts here he does so into an unidentified mass.  That, I believe, calls for a different standard of communication than is used in face to face dialogue.  Personally, I'd hope the defense of my disrespect never boils down to "someone else was worse", but, yes, your disparaging references are relatively tame.

I'm not sure you can assume that the occurrence of Mormon VRCC members is as rare.

As to Mormons, I live within thirty-five miles of the headquarters of the RLDS church.  There are numerous members in this area of both the RLDS and LDS churches.  I'm well versed on history as it intersects with the Mormons.  I don't agree with much of their theology, but I find them generally to be very disciplined, very honest, good citizens.  They serve their communities and their country well.  I specifically served under a United States Marine Corps officer who was a Mormon.  If more people had his integrity and compassion our world would be a better and kinder place.

It's too easy to throw the "religious extremist" card.  To most of us a religious extremist is anyone whose commitment and discipline to his religious values is more than our own.  I guess ultimately if one has little or no acknowledged commitment to his religious values almost everyone else is a religious extremist?

Although I've found this interchange interesting and stimulating, I'm going to back away now.  I believe we've sufficiently hijacked Judd's thread.        

[BigAl]

Imagine that 71.4% for a winner not a whiner.

Romney is winning so far.

Now it's 79% Romney.

You guys got it going on man.

Thanks

[BigAl]

For the 8.1% of Obama Fans.

I hope you are just kidding and some of those probabaly are.

Voting for the other guy this time, proves you are just smart.

You are not a racist if you vote against Obama.

[Regis]

Paulo , forget it ! I dont take much personally from this board , we are all just living our lives and doing the best we can .  As I said from another post , " theres a storm coming " on that we all agree . Willow.. you are correct , I personally know mormons , and yes they are good people with great values and even some of them agree that the early version of the mormon church is a little hokey .one of my fellow workers is mormon and I cut on him all the time and he laughs like crazy , he knows I'm just kidding him .I poke fun but I dont do it with much  enthusiasm . and yes we  (I) hijacked . Have a good night , its been entertaining .

[Regis]

   I'll tell you who is dumb! I still can't figure out how you can be debt free and still owe 6 years on a mortgage. One beating their chest about there good fortune and/or their education is just not kool.  

I only meant that I was debt free other than my mortgage ... sorry you got confused by my stupidity . But Tarzan wasnt reaslly smart when he beat his chest either !! ahhh  ahha uuhhh ah !  my point is that as bad as everyone says it is now , i'm in good enough shape to weather the storm .I hope you are too .

[LL]

well then I'm sure my skills as a tradesman that is in high demand and my savings would carry me through , not to mention the 1 + yrs worth of food staples stored in my basement . anything else ?

Sounds like you have all the answers

[musclehead]

willow !!! I meant whack jobs as "religious extremists " anyone here fall into that category ?

needs defining, 'religious extremists' which religion? you'll find no one here that has killed an abortion doctor, nor will you find anyone that has flown an airplane into a building.

such behavior is by it's nature EVIL, and cannot be condoned.

we can agree on what is evil, doncha think? 

[john]

   " Always wrapping itself in the false cloak of righteousness and celebrating the folk wisdom of the demos, the Democrats have consistently championed class envy, social division, and often – quite nakedly – racism, if they thought it would buy them votes.

    Only the Democrats could reinvent themselves so effortlessly, molting from the party of the Ku Klux Klan to the party of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. From the party of the aggressive atheist Madalyn Murray O'Hair, who destroyed school prayer and helped set the country on its downward moral spiral in 1963, to the party of Bible-toting Baptist presidents (Bill Clinton) and the racist ravings of Obama's pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. When your only principle is power, it's easy to embrace flexibility and nuance."

[Jeff K]

You can console yourself with 4 more years of Obama "won't be catastrophic" but you have to keep in mind that the Supreme Court he assembles will have catastrophic affects on this country for decades not years. 

[PaulO]

   " Always wrapping itself in the false cloak of righteousness and celebrating the folk wisdom of the demos, the Democrats have consistently championed class envy, social division, and often – quite nakedly – racism, if they thought it would buy them votes.

    Only the Democrats could reinvent themselves so effortlessly, molting from the party of the Ku Klux Klan to the party of the Civil Rights Act of 1964. From the party of the aggressive atheist Madalyn Murray O'Hair, who destroyed school prayer and helped set the country on its downward moral spiral in 1963, to the party of Bible-toting Baptist presidents (Bill Clinton) and the racist ravings of Obama's pastor, the Rev. Jeremiah Wright. When your only principle is power, it's easy to embrace flexibility and nuance."

Wow John!  That was well said.  I believe you are accurate.  There are however, many democrats today that would have no idea what you are referring to.  They simply think that what feels good to them is good for everyone without analyzing too deep.  As much as I hate to admit it, I have family members like that who believe that by furthering their beliefs in any way they can, that they are leading the uneducated herd to a better place.  They are too self absorbed to entertain the idea that they could be wrong or at least that their "openmindedness" is only for those of like thought. Perplexing.

[Serk]

You can console yourself with 4 more years of Obama "won't be catastrophic" but you have to keep in mind that the Supreme Court he assembles will have catastrophic affects on this country for decades not years. 

This... This... SO MUCH this...

Keep in mind, the Heller case (I.E. Does the 2nd Amendment really mean what is says case) was decided by a 5-4 majority... You really want Obama to appoint a few more justices to the SCOTUS?

[schrambo]

Can't vote for Gary Johnson in Michigan, he is not on the ballot.

[Jeff K]

You can console yourself with 4 more years of Obama "won't be catastrophic" but you have to keep in mind that the Supreme Court he assembles will have catastrophic affects on this country for decades not years. 

This... This... SO MUCH this...

Keep in mind, the Heller case (I.E. Does the 2nd Amendment really mean what is says case) was decided by a 5-4 majority... You really want Obama to appoint a few more justices to the SCOTUS?

A few? One will change the US as we know it now.

[FryeVRCCDS0067]

Romney may make mistakes that will hurt our country, I don't know. I do know that obama will make a supreme court that will destroy this country. I'd vote for pretty much anyone who has the best chance to beat him. Nothing could be worse for this county than an obama supreme court.

[R J]

willow !!! I meant whack jobs as "religious extremists " anyone here fall into that category ?

needs defining, 'religious extremists' which religion? you'll find no one here that has killed an abortion doctor, nor will you find anyone that has flown an airplane into a building.

such behavior is by it's nature EVIL, and cannot be condoned.

we can agree on what is evil, doncha think? 

Sorry to bump your bottom here, but we do have someone who flew a plane into a building.

We would have to define flew the plane as taxiing the plane on the concourse.

We had a little airport North of town, it had 3 hangers.     2 of the planes were crop dusters and the other one I was going to go get some air time in was a nice Piper.    To this day, I do not know why I turned right into the building that was empty.     All I did was remove part of a wall that held the hanger door and the hanger door.   Cost me a propeller and some sheet metal on the engine and a wing.         I was on probation with my license anyway, so that made my license go by by.    To this day I have never tried to get another pilots license.

[Jeff K]

Romney may make mistakes that will hurt our country, I don't know. I do know that obama will make a supreme court that will destroy this country. I'd vote for pretty much anyone who has the best chance to beat him. Nothing could be worse for this county than an obama supreme court.

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[fordmano]

Sure wish Ted Nugent or the likes (someone with courage and the spine it really takes to properly run this country) would actually run!

[Patrick]

Boy,, this sure has taken on a life of its own..

I like the idea of a 3 party system,, and,, maybe its time for it.. But,, it ain't here yet so we're stuck with what we have and just have to make the best of it.. I just happen to think that Romney is the best right now..

As for the religious stuff,, I'm out.. The mormon religion was started a few miles from where I live and they were persecuted so badly they moved from this state.. Good bad or indifferent,, thats history..

As for this depression,,err,, recession,, I too am completely debt free and have been for years,, but,, I can't say the recession has not affected me.. I believe it has affected everyone and will continue to do so for quite a while..

[fudgie]

Romney may make mistakes that will hurt our country, I don't know. I do know that obama will make a supreme court that will destroy this country. I'd vote for pretty much anyone who has the best chance to beat him. Nothing could be worse for this county than an obama supreme court.

Dont forget to get the Ind judges out in Nov also if they ask you if blah blah blah should remain in office. They voted for you not to have the right to use forces against the police for unlawfull/illegal entry of your home. So no 4A for us. Cant think of the repubs name right off hand but there were 2 judges that voted for it.

[Chiefy]

Can't vote for Gary Johnson in Michigan, he is not on the ballot.

As of the 25th, the Johnson campaign was still fighting to get him added to the regular ballot.  In the meantime, he and Judge Gray are qualified write in candidates.  So a write in vote for them will count.

http://www.michiganlp.org/ENewsletters/201210/201210_ML.html#8

[salty1]

If you're voting for a third party candidate to express your principles, then you might as well be pulling the lever for Obama.  If you want Obama for four more years, then vote for a third party candidate.  

Vote the Morman....not the Muslim.

Well put! I'm real tired of the imposter!

[solo1]

I hate the present two party system!  As a councilman I had to declare being a Republican. A third party wouldn't have stood a chance.  You gotta play the game even though it is against your principles.

I've been around long enough in my 84 years to have survived many presidents.  I've served my country under just one.

IMHO the present POTUS is the WORSE!    He has singlehandedly screwed up this country while the Democratic controlled Senate has let him do it.  If he's reelected, he will have the opportunity to  move the Supreme Court in a direction that we don't want it to go, specifically overturning the intent of the 2nd Amendment and with the Advice and Consent of a like minded Senate.

A no vote or a vote for a better qualified independent candidate is a vote for Obama.  And that is the fact of life whether we like it or not!