Syria?

[Jess from VA]

A Narcissist Goes to War

http://capitalismmagazine.com/2013/09/narcissist-goes-war/

[BF]

So......

400 some odd people are killed in Syria....by a chemical weapon.  

So now.....Obama says we have to "do something".  

Up untill those 400 some odd people where killed in Syria by a chemical weapon, there were over 100,000 people killed in Syria by bombs, bullets and other means.  We didn't "do something" then.  

So.....

In order for Obama to get all riled up over people getting killed in Syria, it takes a certain type of weapon for us to "do something".  

Does that about sum it up?

Killing people with bombs, bullets and by other means is okay, but awh hell no.  We have to "do somthing" when you use a certain type of weapon.  That's crossing a "red line" now.  

I get it now.  Bombs, bullets and such okay.  Gas....not so much.  

[MP]

I got a kick out of watching the news this am.  All the Democrats saying we "have to attack because Syria used chemical weapons"  killing several hundred.

Saddam Hussain killed over 100,000, with chemical weapons, and the Dems said we should have stayed out.

Sure follows who is in office, doesn't it?

I think it ends badly, no matter what.  I see no good outcome. What happens AFTER the bombings?  I have heard no answer to that.

We need to expand our own energy production, so we can let them kill themselves off.  I see NO WAY we can stop that, no matter what we do. They are bound and determined to kill people, proven by hundreds or thousands of years of history. IT NEVER ENDS.

MP

[OzarkRider]

http://youtu.be/zkzWyOaS8kU

[Master Blaster]

Now Oflubba didnt draw a red line, the world did.  What a lying putz.

[musclehead]

So if Obama declares war against Syria without the approval of congress he's a war monger? If he asks for the approval of congress he's then a pussy who can't make decisions? All he has to say is Syria has WofMD. That worked pretty well for the Bush Administration to get approval from congress to enter Iraq didn't it?

I quess missed all the qoutes recently posted here from prominent dems talking about saddams WMDs?

[john]

                              "  i'm a step'in  "           
     
Subject: HIGH SCHOOL -- 1958 vs. 2013...

Oh, the good ole days!!!!
You know... by today's standards none of us would have ever made it.
HIGH SCHOOL -- 1958 vs. 2013

Scenario 1:

Jack goes duck hunting before school and then pulls into the school parking lot with his shotgun in his truck's gun rack.

1958 - Vice Principal comes over, looks at Jack's shotgun, goes to his car and gets his shotgun to show Jack.

2013 - School goes into lock down, FBI called, Jack hauled off to jail and never sees his truck or gun again. Counselors called in for traumatized students and teachers.

Scenario 2:

Johnny and Mark get into a fist fight after school.

1958 - Crowd gathers. Mark wins. Johnny and Mark shake hands and end up buddies.

2013 - Police called and SWAT team arrives -- they arrest both Johnny and Mark. They are both charged with assault and both expelled even though Johnny started it .

Scenario 3:

Jeffrey will not be still in class, he disrupts other students.

1958 - Jeffrey sent to the Principal's office and given a good paddling by the Principal. He then returns to class, sits still and does not disrupt class again.

2013 - Jeffrey is given huge doses of Ritalin. He becomes a zombie. He is then tested for ADD. The family gets extra money (SSI) from the government because Jeffrey has a disability.

Scenario 4:

Billy breaks a window in his neighbor's car and his Dad gives him a whipping with his belt.

1958 - Billy is more careful next time, grows up normal, goes to college and becomes a successful businessman.

2013- Billy's dad is arrested for child abuse , Billy is removed to foster care and joins a gang. The state psychologist is told by Billy's sister that she remembers being abused herself and their dad goes to prison. Billy's mom has an affair with the psychologist.

Scenario 5:

Mark gets a headache and takes some aspirin to school.

1958 - Mark shares his aspirin with the Principal out on the smoking dock .

2013- The police are called and Mark is expelled from school for drug violations. His car is then searched for drugs and weapons.

Scenario 6:

Pedro fails high school English.

1958 - Pedro goes to summer school, passes English and goes to college.

2013 - Pedro's cause is taken up by state. Newspaper articles appear nationally explaining that teaching English as a requirement for graduation is racist. ACLU files class action lawsuit against the state school system and Pedro's English teacher. English is then banned from core curriculum. Pedro is given his diploma anyway but ends up mowing lawns for a living because he cannot speak English.

Scenario 7:

Johnny takes apart leftover firecrackers from the Fourth of July, puts them in a model airplane paint bottle and blows up a red ant bed.

1958 - Ants die.

2013 - ATF, Homeland Security and the FBI are all called. Johnny is charged with domestic terrorism. The FBI investigates his parents - and all siblings are removed from their home and all computers are confiscated. Johnny's dad is placed on a terror watch list and is never allowed to fly again.

Scenario 8:

Johnny falls while running during recess and scrapes his knee . He is found crying by his teacher, Mary . Mary hugs him to comfort him.

1958 - In a short time, Johnny feels better and goes on playing.

2013 - Mary is accused of being a sexual predator and loses her job. She faces 3 years in State Prison. Johnny undergoes 5 years of therapy.

This should hit every email inbox to show how stupid we have become!

[MP]

Sad, but true.

The difference between what used to be, and what is now.

I have done the gun thing with my teachers, in the early 70's.  Fall all the the boys and teachers would go out at lunch, and check out each others new guns in the pickups!  Nobody thought anything about it.

Sad to see what paranoia it has progressed to.

MP

[Moonshot_1]

Sad, but true.

The difference between what used to be, and what is now.

I have done the gun thing with my teachers, in the early 70's.  Fall all the the boys and teachers would go out at lunch, and check out each others new guns in the pickups!  Nobody thought anything about it.

Sad to see what paranoia it has progressed to.

MP

In the late 70's, the Senior Boys PE class consisted of Trap shooting in the Fall.
We came to school with our shotguns and put them in our lockers. In School!

We'd then load up the most well armed school bus in history and head out to the country, over looking the sewer lagoons, and shoot clay pigeons. Each had 5 attempts. Then the next guy would shoot. We'd pile back in the bus and get back to school, put the guns in our lockers and go to the next class.

Never thought nothing of it.

[Xtracho]

Sad, but true.

The difference between what used to be, and what is now.

I have done the gun thing with my teachers, in the early 70's.  Fall all the the boys and teachers would go out at lunch, and check out each others new guns in the pickups!  Nobody thought anything about it.

Sad to see what paranoia it has progressed to.

MP

In the late 70's, the Senior Boys PE class consisted of Trap shooting in the Fall.
We came to school with our shotguns and put them in our lockers. In School!

We'd then load up the most well armed school bus in history and head out to the country, over looking the sewer lagoons, and shoot clay pigeons. Each had 5 attempts. Then the next guy would shoot. We'd pile back in the bus and get back to school, put the guns in our lockers and go to the next class.

Never thought nothing of it.

We are at this point in history because of the so-called "progressives" in this country whose agenda includes parents abdicating their responsibility to raise their children in favor of the "it takes a village" syndrome. Who believe that government can do a better job of providing for our kids than we, as parents, can. Who are convinced a nanny state is the best for all concerned. Whose agenda includes the notion that guns are bad so only bad people should have them.

We, also, had target shooting as part of PE in high school. .22 caliber rifles provided for all. No one got shot, no one went postal, and we all learned appreciation and safety of firearms.

[G-Man]

Artillery system can easily be a adapted to deliver chemical weapons.

You think they can find and take out every artillery piece or mortar delivery system?

You can hide them all in densely populated areas.

I'm sure by now even his chemical weapon stockpile has been relocated all over the country.

You have lost the element of surprise.

Exactly!  And Sadam Hussein had 2 YEARS from the the time the world asked politely if we could come in an look around, until we finally went in.   And it was during those two years that intelligence flip-flopped.  He phucked with the world for 2 years, and the left still thinks Bush is the criminal.  Not to mention that he was also killing hundreds of thousands of his own citizens in the meantime.  So the left is screaming for Obama to do what they have been criticizing Bush for for 10 years now.

[czuch]

Great idea. Go in and be al kida's air arm. Glad I'm a vet and tax paying "worker".
Hey McCain, your deal.
At least we know how to vote next time. Get em all out. We need a fresh line up of crooks.

[Novavalker]

[iSYRIA:
Gee, I wonder what's inside those pretty blue gas canisters being loaded by FSA jihadist rebels?]
More Gas Cylinders Mounted on Shells and Fired by FSA Terrorists against the Syrian Army

[BF]

Assad (being Alawite/Shiite) is pro Shiite, Christian, Jew and other minorities and is anti Muslim Brotherhood and anti Sunni (the majority population). 

Iran, being majority Shia (Shiite) is pro Assad.....along with Russia backing Assad. 

Obama is pro Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and the rebels fighting Assad. 

The rebels fighting Assad are made up of Syrian Sunnis, Al Quade, Muslim Brotherhood and pissed off Sunnies from all over the world. 

These are the folks that Obama supports. 

Benghazi was all about running arms to the rebels fighting Assad. 

Obama already wanted the U.S. to support the anti-Assad rebels by supplying them with arms. 

So now it seems, Barack Hussein Obama has found a way to rally support to go directly after Assad claiming punitive (or is it revenge) action for the use of chemical weapons against the Sunni majority. 

The above video seems to show Obama's rebels lobbing gas filled canisters at Assad's forces. 

Something smells about this whole deal.....and it ain't the gas. 

[Master Blaster]

Speaking of McCain, since when does being stupid enough to be shot down and becoming a POW make anyone a military guru.  I have empathy for what he went through, but that did not make him an authority on anything.  I dont think he would have been a good president either, but probably marginally better than what we have now. 

[Patrick]

Assad (being Alawite/Shiite) is pro Shiite, Christian, Jew and other minorities and is anti Muslim Brotherhood and anti Sunni (the majority population). 

Iran, being majority Shia (Shiite) is pro Assad.....along with Russia backing Assad. 

Obama is pro Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and the rebels fighting Assad. 

The rebels fighting Assad are made up of Syrian Sunnis, Al Quade, Muslim Brotherhood and pissed off Sunnies from all over the world. 

These are the folks that Obama supports. 

Benghazi was all about running arms to the rebels fighting Assad. 

Obama already wanted the U.S. to support the anti-Assad rebels by supplying them with arms. 

So now it seems, Barack Hussein Obama has found a way to rally support to go directly after Assad claiming punitive (or is it revenge) action for the use of chemical weapons against the Sunni majority. 

The above video seems to show Obama's rebels lobbing gas filled canisters at Assad's forces. 

Something smells about this whole deal.....and it ain't the gas. 

Assad is pro-christian. I agree that he is a royal dick-head though. So, its no surprise to me the our commander-in-chief favors the rebels. Well, can I mention it again ?  I believe this 'entity' of ours is the anti-christ.

[MP]

Speaking of McCain, since when does being stupid enough to be shot down and becoming a POW make anyone a military guru.  I have empathy for what he went through, but that did not make him an authority on anything.  I dont think he would have been a good president either, but probably marginally better than what we have now. 

I agree with all but the first part.  I do not think you need to be "stupid to be shot down and become a POW".  To me, that is an insult to all military pilots.

MP

[Patrick]

Speaking of McCain, since when does being stupid enough to be shot down and becoming a POW make anyone a military guru.  I have empathy for what he went through, but that did not make him an authority on anything.  I dont think he would have been a good president either, but probably marginally better than what we have now. 

I agree with all but the first part.  I do not think you need to be "stupid to be shot down and become a POW".  To me, that is an insult to all military pilots.

MP

I too agree. I came back WAY too many times with WAY too many bullet holes that were WAY too close to where I had been sitting. We got pretty good and pretty quick at patching them. It comes down to luck, plain and simple. I voted for McCain, proud to say it too. Not that I thought he would make a great President, I just thought he was a hell of a lot better than the other candidate. You know, the lesser of two evils thing. That said, I still think that McCain is a great American for what he went through and how he went through it. He's still to liberal for me though, but, I'd certainly sit down and have a couple beers with the man.

[Xtracho]

Speaking of McCain, since when does being stupid enough to be shot down and becoming a POW make anyone a military guru.  I have empathy for what he went through, but that did not make him an authority on anything.  I dont think he would have been a good president either, but probably marginally better than what we have now.  

I agree with all but the first part.  I do not think you need to be "stupid to be shot down and become a POW".  To me, that is an insult to all military pilots.

MP

I agree....had a friend...4 years older than me. Shot down in 'Nam and never heard of again. He was far from stupid.

[BF]

Assad (being Alawite/Shiite) is pro Shiite, Christian, Jew and other minorities and is anti Muslim Brotherhood and anti Sunni (the majority population). 

Iran, being majority Shia (Shiite) is pro Assad.....along with Russia backing Assad. 

Obama is pro Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood and the rebels fighting Assad. 

The rebels fighting Assad are made up of Syrian Sunnis, Al Quade, Muslim Brotherhood and pissed off Sunnies from all over the world. 

These are the folks that Obama supports. 

Benghazi was all about running arms to the rebels fighting Assad. 

Obama already wanted the U.S. to support the anti-Assad rebels by supplying them with arms. 

So now it seems, Barack Hussein Obama has found a way to rally support to go directly after Assad claiming punitive (or is it revenge) action for the use of chemical weapons against the Sunni majority. 

The above video seems to show Obama's rebels lobbing gas filled canisters at Assad's forces. 

Something smells about this whole deal.....and it ain't the gas. 

Assad is pro-christian. I agree that he is a royal dick-head though. So, its no surprise to me the our commander-in-chief favors the rebels. Well, can I mention it again ?  I believe this 'entity' of ours is the anti-christ.

Assad is an Alawite muslim.  Alawites are Shai, or Shiite muslim.  Alawites/Shiites are the minority and Assad is pro minority.....Christians being part of that minority. 

Make no mistake, that just because Assad is pro Christian, doesn't mean that him and all the other Shiite muslims don't hate our guts just as much as the Sunni muslims do. 

Here's a fun facttoid.  Most muslims in Kenya are Sunni. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Kenya

And Obama wants to send arms to the Sunni rebels, supports the Muslim Brotherhood and wants to take out Assad.  Go figure.   

Documentary BBC - A History of Syria (2013)

[The Anvil]

Artillery system can easily be a adapted to deliver chemical weapons.

You think they can find and take out every artillery piece or mortar delivery system?

You can hide them all in densely populated areas.

I'm sure by now even his chemical weapon stockpile has been relocated all over the country.

You have lost the element of surprise.

Exactly!  And Sadam Hussein had 2 YEARS from the the time the world asked politely if we could come in an look around, until we finally went in.   And it was during those two years that intelligence flip-flopped.  He phucked with the world for 2 years, and the left still thinks Bush is the criminal.  Not to mention that he was also killing hundreds of thousands of his own citizens in the meantime.  So the left is screaming for Obama to do what they have been criticizing Bush for for 10 years now.

And like I said; some people will blindly support Bush II for something that has proven to be a mistake. Case in pointed fashion ^^^

[The Anvil]

Speaking of McCain, since when does being stupid enough to be shot down and becoming a POW make anyone a military guru.  I have empathy for what he went through, but that did not make him an authority on anything.  I dont think he would have been a good president either, but probably marginally better than what we have now. 

I agree with all but the first part.  I do not think you need to be "stupid to be shot down and become a POW".  To me, that is an insult to all military pilots.

MP

Agreed. You have no choice the line you fly on a strike run and those guys were flying into SAM and AA infested territory. Being shot down was not his fault.

As to whether or not he'd have been a good POTUS or even better than Obama; you'd have to be crazy to think he would. The man has lost his marbles. He recently pulled a Hainoi Jane and went to visit Muslim Brotherhood rebels behind the lines and has been a vociferous advocate of providing aid. If it were up to him I believe he'd put boots on the ground.

[Jess from VA]

COMMUNITY ORGANIZER GOES TO WAR

http://www.anncoulter.com/columns/2013-09-04.html

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2013/09/03/201123/many-in-middle-east-struggling.html#.UifwLn_QvXQ

[hotglue #43]

Great idea. Go in and be al kida's air arm. Glad I'm a vet and tax paying "worker".
Hey McCain, your deal.
At least we know how to vote next time. Get em all out. We need a fresh line up of crooks.

I'm sure that mc cains 'deal'..... is his next hand at online poker,,, because he was bored with the congressional proceedings on the pending 'Obama, line in the sand... to save face'  attacks on Syria... ..... who is still voting for this clown?....mc cain????

[Fudd]

Now Oflubba didnt draw a red line, the world did.  What a lying putz.

So, once again Obama tells us that, we didn't hear what we heard.  He didn't have a "red line" , the world did.  Here it is again, in case someone missed it.
US President Barack Obama in 'red line' warning to Syria over chemical weapons
It sure sounded, to me, like Obama said what he said.  I guess I'll have to wait for a WH spokesman to tell me what I really heard.

SO THEN, MR OBAMA, IF THE 'WORLD' MADE THE RED LINE, I SUPPOSE THERE IS A LARGE GROUP OF NATIONS STANDING WITH YOU TO PUT AN END TO THIS MENACE.  So, how's that working out?

It reminds me of a kid making a threat or daring another boy not to do something on a playground.  If the kid gets dissed, and the boy does the forbidden act, the kid has to 'do something' or risk being seen as a punk.

No one got too excited over 120,000 civilians killed, provided that they were killed with conventional weapons, but we should be horrified by 1400 killed with poison gas because gas kills indiscriminately and there are no visible wounds.

I don't know just how much more discriminate a mortar fired into a crowded hotel lobby is, but I know a pile of bloody torsos, arms, heads, brains and guts is a horrible sight in my opinion.

With as much time that has gone by since Obama started talking about a retaliatory strike, I doubt we could do much to lessen the capabilities of Assad doing it again.  I think the WMD's and delivery vehicles are likely safely hidden in nursery schools, kindergartens and nursing homes throughout Syria.

I wouldn't doubt if this 'face saving' measure for Obama is done with every precaution taken to insure civilians don't chance taking collateral loses.  We could be lobbing a couple of hundred cruise missiles, valued at $1.5M into sand dunes, just to say "we did something."  I have yet to hear of an clear objective, or a competition goal.  All I have heard, is the attack is not meant to facilitate a regime change.

I don't think the U.S. has many appreciable assets in Syria.  I see the civil war there being, two enemy groups that would just as soon kill us as thank us for our help.  I know children have been killed, but we cannot continue to be the world's policemen.  These matters have to be handled by international resolve and coalitions, not a single country who has a president feeling disrespected. 

Hasn't it been Obama's goal to eliminate U.S. superiority, reduce us to being 'just another country.'  If we aren't anything special, why does a unilateral strike become our responsibility?   At the very minimum, we should give Israel the veto power over our proposed 'wrist slap', being that if a retaliation is made, it will likely be against them instead of U.S. assets directly.       

[G-Man]

Saddam Hussain killed over 100,000, with chemical weapons, and the Dems said we should have stayed out.

But this doesn't matter, just see Anvil's silly reply a previous post of mine.  You and I don't care about innocent people and aren't pointing out hipocrisy, we're just standing by some guy who hasn't been in office for 5 years now.

[Serk]

Now Kerry is saying that the Arab countries will pay for this adventure...


So... if we're going to use our troops and technology to go kill someone for financial payment from a third party... Doesn't that make us mercenaries???

[BF]

Now Kerry is saying that the Arab countries will pay for this adventure...


So... if we're going to use our troops and technology to go kill someone for financial payment from a third party... Doesn't that make us mercenaries???

I'm thinkin' it pretty much makes us their bitch. 

[The Anvil]

Saddam Hussain killed over 100,000, with chemical weapons, and the Dems said we should have stayed out.

But this doesn't matter, just see Anvil's silly reply a previous post of mine.  You and I don't care about innocent people and aren't pointing out hipocrisy, we're just standing by some guy who hasn't been in office for 5 years now.

Oh, Iraq the sequel was about saving innocent people? 

Come on, man. You don't really believe that.

[solo1]

We are about to see another POTUS make a big mistake today, 2013.  So what the hell's the use of hearing about previous ones?   GeeeeZ

I personally don't give a rat's patootie about previous mistakes, there sure have been plenty of them.

[Patrick]

We are about to see another POTUS make a big mistake today, 2013.  So what the hell's the use of hearing about previous ones?   GeeeeZ

I personally don't give a rat's patootie about previous mistakes, there sure have been plenty of them.

Well, the main thing I've learned from history is that we don't learn from history.

[solo1]

 

[Xtracho]

Bottom line: Bush 43 would have never left his own ambassador to Libya to be raped and murdered in the streets of Benghazi. You resident Obama apologists have no explanation for that. Obama is a dishrag that procrastinates making decisions based on what the political flavor of the day is. As evidenced by his press conference today prior to departing for the G20 summit. Now he tries to save face by claiming he wants Congress to approve retaliation in Syria. What he really wants is to shed himself of making an executive decision. He claims he never drew a red line...that it was the international community that did. What a load of utter horse hockey.

[BF]

Bottom line: Bush 43 would have never left his own ambassador to Libya to be raped and murdered in the streets of Benghazi. You resident Obama apologists have no explanation for that. Obama is a dishrag that procrastinates making decisions based on what the political flavor of the day is. As evidenced by his press conference today prior to departing for the G20 summit. Now he tries to save face by claiming he wants Congress to approve retaliation in Syria. What he really wants is to shed himself of making an executive decision. He claims he never drew a red line...that it was the international community that did. What a load of utter horse hockey.

Yes, that's true.....but I think the real reason is so he can ultimately shed the responsibility when it all turns to crap and can sit back and blame the Republicans because they voted for it.  He did the same thing with the sequester. 

[RP#62]

I think it would be much more devastating if he forced obamacare on them.

-RP

[BF]

I think it would be much more devastating if he forced obamacare on them.

-RP

[Serk]

Well, here's an idea we could all get behind (Well, everyone except for that one guy who's gotta be contrary to anything posted, of course )

http://www.theonion.com/articles/poll-majority-of-americans-approve-of-sending-cong,33752/

[john]

           don't forget obama ... with his entire cabinet           
          and tell them to go for what they know ...

[donaldcc]

  there are no good choices in this matter.  whatever decisions are made will be controversial.

   short, directed attack with missiles etc is not likely to change long term outcome even if contribution of $$ from Saudia Arabia et al and could be a lighting rod for opposition.

   not becoming involved in some way by the most powerful country in the world to these atrocities will be condemned by many here and abroad, and I think we should use our power to influence world affairs, but not sure the best way. diplomatic, sanctions, direct action???  ???

  full force involvement does not seem logical especially in looking at history in Iraq and Afghanistan.

   screw Putin, I don't like him and would like to see us rub his face in Russia's support of a . . holes.

   there is no right answer.  both sides in this civil war have very bad people that do not like us.  I do not think a victory by either side will be good for this, but if we exert our influence to try and influence an outcome that has the least harmful effects for us and minimize "blow back" that is what I would choose.  but, don't know what that is.



   

[Robert]

Well, here's an idea we could all get behind (Well, everyone except for that one guy who's gotta be contrary to anything posted, of course )

http://www.theonion.com/articles/poll-majority-of-americans-approve-of-sending-cong,33752/

Sounds good to me