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« Reply #1 on: December 22, 2015, 10:38:50 AM » |
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...but don't worry, no one wants to take your guns...
...they just want to register them, restrict them, license them, set up a minefield of rules, regulations and edicts that if you accidentally break you're imprisoned and forbidden from owning guns the rest of your life, want to restrict the size of magazines, want to restrict scary looking guns, want to restrict where and how you may have them with you, want to prosecute you for using one to defend yourself, want to impose undue financial hardships on owning them...
...but no one wants to TAKE your guns...
(Texas still has reciprocity with Virginia, but I'm not in a big hurry to visit that communist state anyway, and that feeling was there way before this latest bit of silliness...)
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« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2015, 10:47:17 AM » |
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...and a more practical concern, this is going to be a major issue for a lot of people wanting to attend Inzane next year, having to avoid Virginia like that... Better start looking at alternate routes.
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Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005
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« Reply #3 on: December 22, 2015, 10:57:12 AM » |
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...and a more practical concern, this is going to be a major issue for a lot of people wanting to attend Inzane next year, having to avoid Virginia like that... Better start looking at alternate routes.
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« Reply #4 on: December 22, 2015, 11:04:42 AM » |
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I also see a lot of states are removing Virginia from their reciprocity agreements. It will also hurt Virginians as they won't be able carry in other states now.
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« Reply #5 on: December 22, 2015, 11:50:19 AM » |
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I also see a lot of states are removing Virginia from their recipracy agreements. It will also hurt Virginians as they won't be able carry in other states now.
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« Reply #6 on: December 22, 2015, 12:11:49 PM » |
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the same here to many other place that have nice roads places to see. maybe the folks in Vi. can turn this around I hope so for them
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« Reply #7 on: December 22, 2015, 01:20:01 PM » |
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Gov. Terry McAuillfe with the backing of Bloomberg hoped to gain control of the Virginia Senate & then push their anti-gun agenda. That failed so they are taking a page out of Obama's book and infringe on Second Amendment rights through executive action.
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Our Bloomturd powered AG here in Pa. did the same thing.Fortunatly she's bitten off more than she could chew.She's had her law license pulled and will be out of office soon(I hope). We still have a new gov.who has no respect for our Pa. constitution to deal with.I can't for the life of me figuire out who is voting these turds into office.  |
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« Reply #9 on: December 22, 2015, 03:06:23 PM » |
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I can't for the life of me figuire out who is voting these turds into office. I believe they're usually referred to as the FSA... (Free crap Army) |
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« Reply #10 on: December 22, 2015, 03:44:53 PM » |
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Virginia is a Common-Wealth . Seems like a Liberal name to me. Common.........Wealth.
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« Reply #11 on: December 22, 2015, 08:36:59 PM » |
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Our Bloomturd powered AG here in Pa. did the same thing.Fortunatly she's bitten off more than she could chew.She's had her law license pulled and will be out of office soon(I hope). We still have a new gov.who has no respect for our Pa. constitution to deal with.I can't for the life of me figuire out who is voting these turds into office. Nope. What she did was stop issuing non resident permits. The bad thing is that Wolfy will be the one to appoint a stand in for a while. TX and a few others still have reciprocity with VA, because they have onerous hoops to jump through like VA has. Any State or Commonwealth that is shall issue based on a background check only or constitutional carry will no longer be able to carry in VA. States are pulling VA because like PA always was, if you recognize ours, we recognize yours. |
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« Reply #12 on: December 23, 2015, 05:53:05 AM » |
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Just read this yesterday. Marvelous. Before this, my permit was good virtually everywhere in the Eastern US I routinely ride (except for a short stint across MD heading north.) The man needs to fall down a long flight of stairs.... or something. Along with our Gov. The states losing reciprocity are: Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Idaho, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Minnesota, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, New Mexico, North Dakota, North Carolina, Ohio, Pennsylvania, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Washington, Wisconsin and Wyoming.*
Agreements will remain with West Virginia, Michigan, Oklahoma, Texas and Utah.
Six states will no longer recognize Virginia’s concealed-carry permits because they require mutual recognition of permits. They are: Florida, Louisiana, North Dakota, Pennsylvania, South Carolina and Wyoming.The practical effect of this move is that your Virginia concealed carry permit used to be good in 31 states, and now it’s good in 6. Of the 6 states that remain, only West Virginia is even close to Virginia.I think it goes without saying that if you are going to take the trouble to go through getting your concealed carry permit, you are a conscientious, law abiding gun owner. What Herring has done has not made the people of Virginia any safer, it has merely made it more difficult for people who want to exercise their Second Amendment rights in accordance with the law more difficult. Which of course is exactly the point.Note that this action was taken unilaterally and without the Virginia legislature. Plain and simple, this is putting politics above public safety.
*Of course there is absolutely no information about one single person from any of these states actually abusing his right to carry while in VA. Probably because there isn't any. Serk nailed it......... the Free crap Army put this piece of... work in office.  VA has open carry. Serve them right if millions of us started carrying in the open every day. In other news...... http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/23/judge-upholds-seattle-gun-violence-tax-despite-challenge-from-gun-rights-groups.html?intcmp=hpbt3 |
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Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005
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« Reply #13 on: December 23, 2015, 08:01:35 AM » |
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...but don't worry, no one wants to take your guns...
...they just want to register them, restrict them, license them, set up a minefield of rules, regulations and edicts that if you accidentally break you're imprisoned and forbidden from owning guns the rest of your life, want to restrict the size of magazines, want to restrict scary looking guns, want to restrict where and how you may have them with you, want to prosecute you for using one to defend yourself, want to impose undue financial hardships on owning them...
...but no one wants to TAKE your guns...
(Texas still has reciprocity with Virginia, but I'm not in a big hurry to visit that communist state anyway, and that feeling was there way before this latest bit of silliness...)
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« Reply #14 on: December 23, 2015, 08:07:03 AM » |
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Per the stats in this study, CCW holders are three times less likely to commit murder than THE POLICE. http://www.ammoland.com/2013/10/police-officers-likely-to-murder-than-concealed-carry-permit/#axzz3vA6VEdjlHowever the numbers are small and studies are hard to find as the cops don't like to keep records painting them in a bad light. So take that with a grain of salt. |
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« Reply #15 on: December 23, 2015, 08:24:33 AM » |
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Gov. Terry McAuillfe with the backing of Bloomberg hoped to gain control of the Virginia Senate & then push their anti-gun agenda. That failed so they are taking a page out of Obama's book and infringe on Second Amendment rights through executive action.
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« Reply #16 on: December 23, 2015, 11:12:52 AM » |
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« Reply #18 on: December 23, 2015, 12:58:45 PM » |
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So, Va. is one more state to tiptoe through huh. I find this ridiculous. If one has a NYS permit and a Florida non-resident permit this makes one more state that doesn't honor those. Its kinda hard to travel the east coast and not go through Va or Carolina.
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« Reply #19 on: December 23, 2015, 08:22:39 PM » |
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So, Va. is one more state to tiptoe through huh. I find this ridiculous. If one has a NYS permit and a Florida non-resident permit this makes one more state that doesn't honor those. Its kinda hard to travel the east coast and not go through Va or Carolina.
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« Reply #20 on: December 24, 2015, 09:53:39 AM » |
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We live 12 miles from Va. border. Do a lot of business in Va. They are a open carry state and I will do that, if they take that away I will spend my money elsewhere
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« Reply #21 on: December 25, 2015, 04:06:12 AM » |
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I just posted to one of the Virginia tourism sites Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/gotowv telling them that I love their state, have traveled through there many times and had planned to vacation there again in the future. But, like many, I now had no choice but to plan my vacations to avoid Virginia like the plague until they again recognize my Indiana carry permit. When I posted I was informed the site administrator would review my comment before allowing it to be posted. My guess is, it will never see the light of day. |
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« Reply #22 on: December 25, 2015, 06:01:54 AM » |
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So, Va. is one more state to tiptoe through huh. I find this ridiculous. If one has a NYS permit and a Florida non-resident permit this makes one more state that doesn't honor those. Its kinda hard to travel the east coast and not go through Va or Carolina.
You can always detour through the great state of TN. That would be .... The Great State Of Tennessee |
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« Reply #23 on: December 25, 2015, 06:40:37 AM » |
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I just posted to one of the Virginia tourism sites Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/gotowv telling them that I love their state, have traveled through there many times and had planned to vacation there again in the future. But, like many, I now had no choice but to plan my vacations to avoid Virginia like the plague until they again recognize my Indiana carry permit. When I posted I was informed the site administrator would review my comment before allowing it to be posted. My guess is, it will never see the light of day. Takes me to WEST Virginia. Isn't it Virginia that revoked the CCW? |
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« Reply #24 on: December 25, 2015, 09:42:23 AM » |
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I have a brother that lives there. But I will never visit him (or any other state) that embraces these cursed socialist agendas. I'm thinking (and this might be preaching to the choir) that this issue (and any related or similar ones) should be considered when planning our motorcycle ride-ins.
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« Reply #25 on: December 25, 2015, 11:47:15 AM » |
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I have a brother that lives there. But I will never visit him (or any other state) that embraces these cursed socialist agendas. I'm thinking (and this might be preaching to the choir) that this issue (and any related or similar ones) should be considered when planning our motorcycle ride-ins.
Yes please
We have attended a couple of the DSRI (Dark Side Ride In's) on the gl1800 board & enjoyed them immensely (the DarkSide guys like to carve alittle harder than your typical "Geezer Glider") but the poll to determine destination for this springs ride was instituted before this news came to light & still seems to be headed for Wise, Va.
While we've ridden there before & the roads in every direction are awesome I wont support a states economy that would so easily violate the American peoples constitutional rights.
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« Reply #26 on: December 25, 2015, 08:13:27 PM » |
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I just posted to one of the Virginia tourism sites Facebook page https://www.facebook.com/gotowv telling them that I love their state, have traveled through there many times and had planned to vacation there again in the future. But, like many, I now had no choice but to plan my vacations to avoid Virginia like the plague until they again recognize my Indiana carry permit. When I posted I was informed the site administrator would review my comment before allowing it to be posted. My guess is, it will never see the light of day. Takes me to WEST Virginia. Isn't it Virginia that revoked the CCW? I'm an idiot!  Did a search for Virginia and facebook and followed the link. I should have paid more attention! |
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« Reply #27 on: December 26, 2015, 04:14:28 PM » |
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Read a couple of items in the news that might fix this power grab by this Democrat AG and Governor. The Legislature is Republican controlled and they are confident they can stop this. There is also a plan to recall the AG and they are thinking of taking the funding out of the budget for the Governor's body guards since he is so anti-gun. Not sure I like the last idea. Lots of states may lean blue or are blue like PA but are Big gun rights states. Hopefully we Virginians can fix this B.S.
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« Reply #29 on: December 26, 2015, 05:25:51 PM » |
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Read a couple of items in the news that might fix this power grab by this Democrat AG and Governor. The Legislature is Republican controlled and they are confident they can stop this. There is also a plan to recall the AG and they are thinking of taking the funding out of the budget for the Governor's body guards since he is so anti-gun. Not sure I like the last idea. Lots of states may lean blue or are blue like PA but are Big gun rights states. Hopefully we Virginians can fix this B.S.
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Yeah Dan, in the past, most all reciprocity problems between states arose over the details of the training requirement (or not having one at all). In VA, the AG used the fact that VA has some 20 items that preclude an individual from qualifying for a permit (like being a convicted felon, drug user, yada). I have yet to see a detailed report of exactly what listed things prohibiting CCW issuance in VA, were lacking in other states. All states basically follow the federal rules on gun ownership/possession found in the Federal Form 4473. So the fact that VA got carried away bureaucratically, and listed things like 2 DWIs (even with no felony conviction), and a few other things that no other states included got used as a sword against gun owners, instead of as a shield for protection of public safety as they were intended. The first thing that came to my mind was for the VA legislature to simply rewrite the preconditions-for-CCW list, to simplify it to more in line with what other states mostly have (no one has ever claimed any of those other states laws are inadequate or ineffective). Then there would be the veto and the question of votes for veto over ride. I think every politician who violates his oath of office by supporting or voting for unconstitutional gun laws (which is nearly all of them) ought to have no armed protection at public expense, including the president.... defund the Secret Service... like that could ever happen) I note that since this has happened, HQ NRA here in NoVA is offering Utah non resident permit classes (4 hours - $125), which would get us back all or most of the states we lost..... but I am not inclined to allow our donkey dick breath AG make me jump through those particular hoops. |
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« Reply #30 on: December 26, 2015, 08:55:15 PM » |
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Boo fricken hoo. You know many states don't issue a concealed carry permit unless you can show cause for needing one, ie you make bank deposits for a business late at night in a bad part of town. Are you really such a gun nut that you can't go on vacation without carrying a concealed gun because you are so afraid the bad guys are after you? Do you take it swimming with you? How are you even able to take a shower without holding a gun. Do you hold a gun in one hand and wipe with the other when you take a dump? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for gun ownership, I own a gun myself, but sheesh you would avoid a state on vacation that won't let you conceal carry? Seems a bit nutty.
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« Reply #31 on: December 27, 2015, 03:47:05 AM » |
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Daddo I totally agree. But I guess if it makes you feel like a tough guy right? Most of these conceal carry guys would pee there pants before pulling their gun anyway so I am not worried about the crossfire...lol!
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« Reply #32 on: December 27, 2015, 04:46:31 AM » |
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"Boo Fricken Hoo"
Ya, it is only one of our constitutional rights. I know libs like you and the Presbo don't give a rats patutie about the Constitution, and once again you prove it.
Many states are shall issue, not need. Need should include the right to defend oneself too, right? Or, do you not think we have a right to defend either?
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« Reply #33 on: December 27, 2015, 07:50:49 AM » |
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Daddo I totally agree. But I guess if it makes you feel like a tough guy right? Most of these conceal carry guys would pee there pants before pulling their gun anyway so I am not worried about the crossfire...lol!
How would concealed carry make anyone feel tough. It's concealed. No one knows it's there except the one that's CC. You say most of theses CC guys would pee there pants. Do you know most of these CC guys? I think that you think that you are better than those that are willing to protect themselves as well as others. |
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(& my Sugar is an excellent marksman,
no matter what state we're in!) Most excellent! Too bad those that need to can't comprehend that. |
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Daddo I totally agree. But I guess if it makes you feel like a tough guy right? Most of these conceal carry guys would pee there pants before pulling their gun anyway so I am not worried about the crossfire...lol!
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Boo fricken hoo. You know many states don't issue a concealed carry permit unless you can show cause for needing one, ie you make bank deposits for a business late at night in a bad part of town. Are you really such a gun nut that you can't go on vacation without carrying a concealed gun because you are so afraid the bad guys are after you? Do you take it swimming with you? How are you even able to take a shower without holding a gun. Do you hold a gun in one hand and wipe with the other when you take a dump? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for gun ownership, I own a gun myself, but sheesh you would avoid a state on vacation that won't let you conceal carry? Seems a bit nutty.
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Boo fricken hoo. You know many states don't issue a concealed carry permit unless you can show cause for needing one, ie you make bank deposits for a business late at night in a bad part of town. Are you really such a gun nut that you can't go on vacation without carrying a concealed gun because you are so afraid the bad guys are after you? Do you take it swimming with you? How are you even able to take a shower without holding a gun. Do you hold a gun in one hand and wipe with the other when you take a dump? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for gun ownership, I own a gun myself, but sheesh you would avoid a state on vacation that won't let you conceal carry? Seems a bit nutty.
I have a gun within 10' of me in the house. I try and avoid non gun states and also helmet states. I don't depend on others for my protection like a little bitch. Do you wear a helmet? Oh and yes, I shoot left handed and wipe with my right.  I shoot left handed better than I wipe left handed.  |
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« Reply #39 on: December 27, 2015, 10:14:47 AM » |
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Boo fricken hoo. You know many states don't issue a concealed carry permit unless you can show cause for needing one, ie you make bank deposits for a business late at night in a bad part of town. Are you really such a gun nut that you can't go on vacation without carrying a concealed gun because you are so afraid the bad guys are after you? Do you take it swimming with you? How are you even able to take a shower without holding a gun. Do you hold a gun in one hand and wipe with the other when you take a dump? Don't get me wrong, I'm all for gun ownership, I own a gun myself, but sheesh you would avoid a state on vacation that won't let you conceal carry? Seems a bit nutty.
Forty-two states are "shall issue" only eight are "may issue". Do you only have car insurance when you think you're going to have an accident? Do you only have access to an extinguisher when you think there will be a fire? Do you only wear a helmet when you suspect a pending accident? It is a matter of consistency & self-reliance rather than fear. If you wish to "shelter in place" and rely on the "authorities" for the preservation of your and your family's lives and well-being, be my guest. I will not forfeit that responsibility. |
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