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Hey...here's an idea, lets wait for all the facts to be in before judging either the cops and/or the victims.
BUT, if you are a concealed carry permit holder, play it safe and keep both hands on the wheel, when stopped.
Tell the cop where your firearm is located, along with your license/registration. Often they will either retrieve them for you, or tell you to do so. This may be especially good advice now, as many police officers may be extra sensitive to real/perceived threats, after Dallas.
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« Reply #44 on: July 08, 2016, 01:51:47 PM » |
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I can't help thinking that what is happening is exactly what our leader wants to happen.
Yes, I'm sure that's exactly what he wants to happen...  Why, exactly, would that be?
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« Reply #45 on: July 08, 2016, 02:00:20 PM » |
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Because he repeatedly fails to say uniting words after a tragedy
He does not run to the family of a dead soldier or police office
He does not blame the person and not the weapon
He does not express outrage at double standards
Ask yourself how Kennedy took responsibility and how Obama does not
To me one measure of a man is what he does when he realizes something he said or did is not true or appropriate and how is goes about his life after realizing
I can count a few friends on this board who have done that and I am thankful for their friendship
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I missed that. What I saw was after the shooting went down.
Think that might be because Biased media might not be showing all of it? Not trying to start an argument here ( see what I did there ?  ) but I personally don't think there are many LEO's who would do such a thing without cause. All these Idiots have to do is Comply with an Order Right or Wrong, that can be sorted out later. Just listen comply and be courteous. I saw on the LA shooting two men discussing it on the news. Ready for this a white guy and a black guy. Guess where this is going, the White guy said that the perp was no rolling the officers co and to get on the ground and the Black guys response was that the reason was is because he didn't understand why the LEO was asking him to do so and they didn't tell him why  Just COMPLY period.
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« Reply #47 on: July 08, 2016, 03:13:27 PM » |
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I missed that. What I saw was after the shooting went down.
Think that might be because Biased media might not be showing all of it? Not trying to start an argument here ( see what I did there ?  ) but I personally don't think there are many LEO's who would do such a thing without cause. All these Idiots have to do is Comply with an Order Right or Wrong, that can be sorted out later. Just listen comply and be courteous. I saw on the LA shooting two men discussing it on the news. Ready for this a white guy and a black guy. Guess where this is going, the White guy said that the perp was no rolling the officers co and to get on the ground and the Black guys response was that the reason was is because he didn't understand why the LEO was asking him to do so and they didn't tell him why  Just COMPLY period. From what I understand it has nothing to do with the "biased media". She didn't start recording with her phone until the cop started shooting. Hopefully the cop had a body cam and we will be able to see the entire event. (Do you see what I did there ?)
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« Reply #48 on: July 08, 2016, 03:26:20 PM » |
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Am wondering if there are ties to the modern Black Panther group. If so, wonder what the idiot in chief will say then? Also, Jesse Jackson called the Louisiana shooting "clearly racist" on the Meagan Kelly Fox News program. Meagan Kelly called him out on that comment but he did not back it down. Comments like this serve only one purpose ............
I must have missed jessie jackson 's rant about the 49 shot in chicago this past 4th of July weekend. Must have missed the potus's rant about that one too ! The main stream media: Black on Black crime = ignored,..Black on White crime = ignored, White on Black crime is a travesty and an injustice. JMHO Roadog
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I'm amazed the cops let her hold the camera as long as she did. I Will say she was every cool under pressure and composed
That guy in Louisiana is another story........
Btw Meathead, I'm in Kingman killing time learning how to drive with an eye patch. Got the New house, moving trucks later this summer
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« Reply #51 on: July 08, 2016, 04:05:43 PM » |
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I'm amazed the cops let her hold the camera as long as she did. I Will say she was every cool under pressure and composed
That guy in Louisiana is another story........
Btw Meathead, I'm in Kingman killing time learning how to drive with an eye patch. Got the New house, moving trucks later this summer
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So have you heard enough pirate jokes yet there Capt. Redbeard ? My next day off isn't till Tuesday. If you aren't doing anything maybe I will ride up and have lunch or something. How are you liking it so far ?
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« Reply #52 on: July 08, 2016, 04:27:57 PM » |
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So now all our LEO'S are white supremacist Neo Nazi's? Get a freaking grip.
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« Reply #53 on: July 08, 2016, 05:03:21 PM » |
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You think there is chaos in the streets now between police and certain subsets of the public, just wait...
It has already begun, street officers all over the country, starting in the big cities, are pretty much giving up on proactive policing. No more stops of suspicious persons, no more "stop & frisks", no more intervention to the drug dealers out in front of the convenience store, no more traffic stops in high crime areas (a proven way to deal with "drive-bys" & other craziness).
Reactive policing will only beget more shootings, more drug dealing, more assaults, more destructive behaviors in already besieged neighborhoods. But when everyone gets tired of the chaos and victimization they will be screaming about the lazy, do nothing police.
It's not the way policing was meant to be, but it's what it is becoming... but what do you expect?
When I began my career, we were going through the Rodney King aftermath and now as my career is winding down, now comes the hard politicalization of policing. It's been a hell of a ride.
We individually only have 1* (one ass to risk)... and frankly most aren't going to risk it anymore... why?
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« Reply #54 on: July 08, 2016, 05:09:59 PM » |
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I'm amazed the cops let her hold the camera as long as she did. I Will say she was every cool under pressure and composed
That guy in Louisiana is another story........
Btw Meathead, I'm in Kingman killing time learning how to drive with an eye patch. Got the New house, moving trucks later this summer
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So have you heard enough pirate jokes yet there Capt. Redbeard ? My next day off isn't till Tuesday. If you aren't doing anything maybe I will ride up and have lunch or something. How are you liking it so far ? I working on "eye" jokes And "eye" am good with jokes Sent you a PM but it's not showing. I'm good for Tuesday Dan
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« Reply #55 on: July 08, 2016, 05:35:54 PM » |
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The Minnesota tape only starts after he's shot. We don't know what happened before. The tape indicates different possibilities, that 's all. It does not look like a great shoot to me (all 4 shots), but I wasn't there, and jumping to judgment or conclusions is what is driving this local round of protests and this shooting.
Some of these controversial shooting have been justified, and some have not and cops have been convicted and sentenced. This is of course the due process we are all guaranteed, both victims and perpetrators. We are entitled to be tried in a court of law with rules of fair play, not a court of media hype and sensation by mob rule.
Fanning the flames is not good for anyone or for our country, and it's not doing civil rights and race relations any good either.
Black Lives issued a statement today saying the good (peaceful) works of their movement should not be judged by the acts of a single killer. But white policeman certainly deserve the same courtesy; and should not be randomly assassinated for the acts of a few, under-trained, stressed out, terrible judgment, rogue or even racist cops. The good works of the police are legion, and bad acts few.
Black Lives should acknowledge that about 90% or more of black homicides are committed by other black men, and not the police. National protests over the one and no mention of the other is dishonest, and self serving. If the minority committing the majority of violent crime (esp in all urban/city environments) want better treatment by the police, they should try to commit less violent crime, and be on the side of police to help reduce all crime.
You say you are afraid of the police. Do you not think that they have good reason to be afraid of you?
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Great web site looks like it's manufactured to get EVERYONE wound up and pissed off. I'd use a descriptor for the people that read it and form segregated opinions and I'd use another for the people who created and pay for the web site. But.............................................................
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Great web site looks like it's manufactured to get EVERYONE wound up and pissed off. I'd use a descriptor for the people that read it and form segregated opinions and I'd use another for the people who created and pay for the web site. But............................................................. I was doubtful too, but a web search showed that several legitimate, known news sites are quoting the report and the FBI itself has a white supremacy warning on its web site of current threats to our nation https://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2012/may/extremism_052212/extremism_052212
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« Reply #58 on: July 08, 2016, 06:56:14 PM » |
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I working on "eye" jokes
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« Reply #59 on: July 08, 2016, 07:00:21 PM » |
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« Reply #60 on: July 08, 2016, 08:15:53 PM » |
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Latest report says 12 shot, not including 2 civilians, 5 dead, all LEOs.
Waiting for the Blame Game to start..................
Some folks wonder why Police are so quick reacting to what they perceive as a dangerous situation.
President Obama said at around 515 this morning that "access to high powered weaponry" is one of the reasons for this tragedy. So, roughly 4 hours ago, to qualify your statement about blame. I wonder if this kind of access is what Obama is referring to; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Txb31Z2kRbA
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Waiting for the Blame Game to start..................
Some folks wonder why Police are so quick reacting to what they perceive as a dangerous situation.
President Obama said at around 515 this morning that "access to high powered weaponry" is one of the reasons for this tragedy. So, roughly 4 hours ago, to qualify your statement about blame. I wonder if this kind of access is what Obama is referring to; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Txb31Z2kRbA...and it's starting to look like he didn't even use a "high-powered" AR15 but a WWII era design SKS...  ...there goes THAT narrative...
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Waiting for the Blame Game to start..................
Some folks wonder why Police are so quick reacting to what they perceive as a dangerous situation.
President Obama said at around 515 this morning that "access to high powered weaponry" is one of the reasons for this tragedy. So, roughly 4 hours ago, to qualify your statement about blame. I wonder if this kind of access is what Obama is referring to; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Txb31Z2kRbA...and it's starting to look like he didn't even use a "high-powered" AR15 but a WWII era design SKS...  ...there goes THAT narrative... How much you want to bet? Truth means NOTHING in this Administration!
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« Reply #63 on: July 09, 2016, 02:47:02 AM » |
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I'm amazed the cops let her hold the camera as long as she did. I Will say she was every cool under pressure and composed
That guy in Louisiana is another story........
Btw Meathead, I'm in Kingman killing time learning how to drive with an eye patch. Got the New house, moving trucks later this summer
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So have you heard enough pirate jokes yet there Capt. Redbeard ? My next day off isn't till Tuesday. If you aren't doing anything maybe I will ride up and have lunch or something. How are you liking it so far ? I working on "eye" jokes And "eye" am good with jokes Sent you a PM but it's not showing. I'm good for Tuesday Dan Got it. I'll call you Tuesday . 
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« Reply #64 on: July 09, 2016, 06:07:23 AM » |
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Waiting for the Blame Game to start..................
Some folks wonder why Police are so quick reacting to what they perceive as a dangerous situation.
President Obama said at around 515 this morning that "access to high powered weaponry" is one of the reasons for this tragedy. So, roughly 4 hours ago, to qualify your statement about blame. I wonder if this kind of access is what Obama is referring to; https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Txb31Z2kRbA...and it's starting to look like he didn't even use a "high-powered" AR15 but a WWII era design SKS...  ...there goes THAT narrative... I have to say, that's a nice looking rifle
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I have to say, that's a nice looking rifle
Disclaimer - That wasn't THE SKS he used, just a generic image of an SKS I found... But I've found several news articles saying he used an SKS... (But yeah, love my SKS rifles, they're gorgeous, especially the Russian one)
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« Reply #66 on: July 09, 2016, 08:06:41 AM » |
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That's a scary looking assault rifle, it even has a pointy thingy that can be used at close quarters.
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That's a scary looking assault rifle, it even has a pointy thingy that can be used at close quarters.
It's not scary. It has to be black to be scary. I beg to differ, it is scary, cause I was askert when I saw it. If it had been black, Ida been more askert, and racist as well.
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As I'm a fan of the truth, no matter in which direction it heads, it appears the rifle used wasn't an SKS but was a Saiga AK pattern rifle. The news is calling it an "AK74" although that's clearly not the case either. The Saiga in this configuration was imported into the US in 7.62x39, 5.45x39 and .223/5.56x45. I'm gonna guess this one was a .223/5.56x45 variant just because I've seen numerous references to it being a .223 rifle, but seeing how many times the media has gotten it wrong already, nothing would surprise me. Supposedly a crime scene photo of the actual rifle used: 
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As I'm a fan of the truth, no matter in which direction it heads, it appears the rifle used wasn't an SKS but was a Saiga AK pattern rifle. The news is calling it an "AK74" although that's clearly not the case either. The Saiga in this configuration was imported into the US in 7.62x39, 5.45x39 and .223/5.56x45. I'm gonna guess this one was a .223/5.56x45 variant just because I've seen numerous references to it being a .223 rifle, but seeing how many times the media has gotten it wrong already, nothing would surprise me. Supposedly a crime scene photo of the actual rifle used:  Was it modified for full auto ? When I first saw the videos it sounded like full auto. But in retrospect I'm not sure if it was echoing of the buildings or the cops returning fire.
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Was it modified for full auto ? When I first saw the videos it sounded like full auto. But in retrospect I'm not sure if it was echoing of the buildings or the cops returning fire.
I haven't heard anything about that either way, but I highly doubt it. Contrary to popular belief, to modify a semi auto to full auto is not a trivial matter, it's rather difficult to do it well and actually have the firearm be reliable at all.
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Thanks for the update.
You'd think with all the gun hate, they could post up the correct gun.... to hate.
This just in from one of my firearms forums:
We saw the "Judge" arrive. We saw the "Governor" arrive. Well the new manufacturer "DC Beltway Gunworks" has the new "Congressman". It promises everything, delivers nothing, and can't be fired!
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another liberal letting out their true colors..unbelievable, she needs to resign and everybody boycott her restaurant. http://redstatewatcher.com/article.asp?id=27533City Council member suggested Dallas Police officers got what they deserved and this happened and one of the race baiters who is the cause of this. him and others have been pushing for race wars all part of the UN globalist plan, to cause mass civil unrest, why? people will cry for peace, govt will declare marshal law and confiscate the guns. obama declares marshal law he stays on for ever?? http://www.proudcons.com/shocking-video-of-al-sharpton-released-screaming-kill-police-and-crackers/http://downtrend.com/videos/alveda-king-hillary-clinton-race-baiterhttp://www.wnd.com/2016/03/hillarys-race-baiting-past/#!
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I was watching all these mindless opinion shows on TV Sunday Morning, with they always having the answer after the fact on these catastrophic things that have been going on. Do this! Watch this! What could have been done to avoid it! What are the signs! The same old questions and answers over and over. But the problem and the issues still exist and still keep happening over again. People commit crimes and violate the rules, and then when those people get caught, they expect to get treated as they are the victims. The way I was brought up, and what I was taught, when I screw up, and get caught, for me to keep my mouth shut and no matter what, treat police with respect and take my medicine. Those words have served me well in life, I never got beaten or man handled, I got back the respect I gave them. People have to understand these police have targets on their backs these days, because certain groups don’t respect them and see them as the enemy. Those people cause their own problems and generate their own results. On the news, over and over, these criminals after they have been convicted and sentenced, suddenly want to apologize for their actions, and just think that should be OK, problem solved! Now days there is so much unjustified hatred out there in our country, some don’t even know why, they just know they should hate anyone that don’t agree with them, and should be put down because what they don’t understand. It seems that the people that contribute the least seem to always demand the most and always want guarantees for anything. It’s getting very uncomfortable and with the statement made by the shooter in Dallas, we all may have to keep our backs to the wall. No one is exempt, no matter where you are.
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This is gonna get much worse before it gets better, if it ever does get better...... I retired from Law Enforcement 23 months ago after 31 years of service. I still have many friends who are still there. My first shocking moment that I was now a civilian was when Chattanooga Military Reservists were attacked and killed in Chattanooga almost a year ago. I felt helpless, watching television and worrying about my friends who were responding as it was still ongoing.
I lost two friends due to the job during my active time as a LEO. The most recent one our last conversation will stay with me until the day I die. He was a Patrolman (served in Desert Storm) and I was a Major Crimes Detective primarily working Homicides. We had ran into each other as he was leaving one of the squad rooms. We talked a little catching up and on leaving he told me to "be safe". I told him the same and added he had to deal with bad guys while they were still dangerous and by the time I got there the situation was over . A week later he was ambushed and killed by someone for no reason with a long gun. His body was robbed of equipment and desecrated. Deputy Donald Bond was a good man who had recently been married and was living his dream. I will never forget his honest and true concern for me on our last meeting never expecting it to be our last.
The other Deputy, Lyle Sneed, I folded the US Flag over his casket. He was killed responding to a disorder.
I feel for the guys still working as LEO's. In the short time I have been retired it has gotten much worse. One thing I can tell you is this......Any Officer that is a racist or really has any other negative qualities gets weeded out fast. Maybe it went on in long ago days past, but it is no longer tolerated by administration or other Officers. There is simply no place for it.
The hatred and lack of respect for the Police comes from the top and is adopted by people who use it as a scam. We are in for some tough days ahead. For me this stuff really hits home. The Officers in Dallas, their family, friends and co-workers are going through a very difficult time. It's not tv or movies or a joke it is real. It was not an accident, it was done on purpose. It sounds like there were some hero's there that day. Be Safe
Added later after I thought about it a little......Ooops sorry guys. Got a little too serious for a motorcycle fun site. Flashbacks I guess. Blake
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« Reply #78 on: July 11, 2016, 02:04:53 PM » |
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This is gonna get much worse before it gets better, if it ever does get better...... I retired from Law Enforcement 23 months ago after 31 years of service. I still have many friends who are still there. My first shocking moment that I was now a civilian was when Chattanooga Military Reservists were attacked and killed in Chattanooga almost a year ago. I felt helpless, watching television and worrying about my friends who were responding as it was still ongoing.
I lost two friends due to the job during my active time as a LEO. The most recent one our last conversation will stay with me until the day I die. He was a Patrolman (served in Desert Storm) and I was a Major Crimes Detective primarily working Homicides. We had ran into each other as he was leaving one of the squad rooms. We talked a little catching up and on leaving he told me to "be safe". I told him the same and added he had to deal with bad guys while they were still dangerous and by the time I got there the situation was over . A week later he was ambushed and killed by someone for no reason with a long gun. His body was robbed of equipment and desecrated. Deputy Donald Bond was a good man who had recently been married and was living his dream. I will never forget his honest and true concern for me on our last meeting never expecting it to be our last.
The other Deputy, Lyle Sneed, I folded the US Flag over his casket. He was killed responding to a disorder.
I feel for the guys still working as LEO's. In the short time I have been retired it has gotten much worse. One thing I can tell you is this......Any Officer that is a racist or really has any other negative qualities gets weeded out fast. Maybe it went on in long ago days past, but it is no longer tolerated by administration or other Officers. There is simply no place for it.
The hatred and lack of respect for the Police comes from the top and is adopted by people who use it as a scam. We are in for some tough days ahead. For me this stuff really hits home. The Officers in Dallas, their family, friends and co-workers are going through a very difficult time. It's not tv or movies or a joke it is real. It was not an accident, it was done on purpose. It sounds like there were some hero's there that day. Be Safe
Added later after I thought about it a little......Ooops sorry guys. Got a little too serious for a motorcycle fun site. Flashbacks I guess. Blake
No need to apologize. This is obviously close to your heart. 
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« Reply #79 on: July 12, 2016, 10:47:07 AM » |
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Now there's a reliable source of information....WOW, just WOW
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