Texas shooting

[Chrisj CMA]

Bscrive, I did not intend to call you a dog. My point was that to argue the meaning of scripture with an atheist is as fruitless as trying to teach a dog to ride a motorcycle. I think you are being more confrontational than me here. The scriptures are spiritually discerned, that is not my opinion, it's God's.

I did choose my words carefully and think they were far from approaching a violation of the rules of the road.

You can choose to be an atheist for now. As long as you claim being an atheist all I can say to you about the Bible is that Christ died for you too. Reject him at your own peril.

[northernvalk]

"We believe the right to defend ourselves even with guns if necessary is a right given to all men from God not by the second amendment, not by state laws.  Pro gun amendments and laws simply protect these God given rights from ungodly people that may try to interfere with the liberty and pursuit of happiness of others."

Commandment 13 - Thou shalt not kill.

Sorry Chris, it is not a 'God given' right.  

Even as an atheist, this is pretty clear to me.  Do not kill.  I don't see any caveat with this commandment.

I know you will try to debate this with all other kinds of texts from the bible, but I believe they are superseded by the 13th commandment.

Although, I do believe that if someone tries to harm you, or your family that you should use any means to defend yourself.  If they come into your house then they are fair game to get killed, but I still don't believe that people should carry guns.  Live by the sword, die by the sword is the old saying.

Again you prove my point.  Not only are you clueless about America, you are also having a hard time interpreting scripture correctly so, I do apologize, I should not have read this post, since I know you cant help it, you just don't understand.

You see as an atheist (for now) you cannot understand the scriptures because they are "spiritually discerned"  I cannot even argue with you because it would be like trying to teach a dog to ride a motorcycle (see how I got it to be bike related)  lol

I would recommend you not moving to a pro gun state in America any time soon, too many Christians and too many guns you would be uncomfortable.

You know Chris, for a man who says that he is a devout Christian, you sure do not present yourself that way.

Sure, I got the commandment number wrong and the exact text wrong, but being a devout Christian, you should have taken the high road and corrected me on the proper wording and try to do so in non condescending way.  Instead you decided to put me down and to call me a dog.   

Remember, I did say that I am an atheist and I never said that I was an expert in the bible.  Just the opposite, I don't believe in it, but I would never put you down for believing in it.  I think you should look at Willow's comment in another topic where Daddio put down Oss.

I don't believe that I have ever put anyone down because I didn't agree with their view and I don't think that you should either.  I am only giving my views just as you do and putting someone down to try to shut them up is bullying.

I have a sister who is a 'born again' and she is very much like you.  She has her views and puts down everyone who doesn't agree with her.  She is not a nice person, so I don't have much to do with her.

I just wonder how Jesus would done in his ministries if he would have went around saying "you cannot understand the scriptures because they are "spiritually discerned"  I cannot even argue with you because it would be like trying to teach a dog to.....".  Maybe you should stop and reflect before you respond to people.

As for Psycotic Bovine, at least you corrected me, although, not in a very nice manner.  Perhaps, you should read Willow's comment as well.

As for me, well I remember now why I don't come over to the General Board very much.  I think I will stick with the 1800 Tech board.  Those guys are pretty nice.
   

Brother, it is completely impossible to have a debate with someone who claims a "God Given Right". It ends right there...Save it for someone who might actually consider your points and be open to alternatives...Regardless of religion, anyone who believes that "rights" are given by an un provable entity is not basing any argument on logic or fact. Muslims say their god gives them the right to rape women and children, kill anyone who doesn't agree and have 40 virgins waiting for them in "heaven"....
"God" given rights have caused the death and torture of millions of people throughout history within every religion, and they are always backed by people who whole heatedly believe them.

[zero200]

I’m surprised no one here is talking about mental healthcare. The shooter clearly had issues. Why don’t we make it easier for the crazies to get treatment. This shooter could still be alive, without the incredible death toll and the horrid impact he has had on this family if he would have had the ability to get proper mental treatment.

Having crazies running around untreated with weapons readily available is a recipe for disaster.

[Chrisj CMA]

I’m surprised no one here is talking about mental healthcare. The shooter clearly had issues. Why don’t we make it easier for the crazies to get treatment. This shooter could still be alive, without the incredible death toll and the horrid impact he has had on this family if he would have had the ability to get proper mental treatment.

Having crazies running around untreated with weapons readily available is a recipe for disaster.

He was getting treatment, he escaped from the hospital. They should have treated him faster?

[3fan4life]

I just wonder how Jesus would done in his ministries if he would have went around saying "you cannot understand the scriptures because they are "spiritually discerned" 

On many occasions Jesus did correct and even reprimand others:

http://feedingonchrist.com/how-jesus-confronted-and-corrected-others/

One of his strongest rebukes was to Peter:

Matthew 16:23 (NKJV)

But He turned and said to Peter, “Get behind Me, Satan! You are an offense to Me, for you are not mindful of the things of God, but the things of men.”

I can't imagine a scolding that is much worse than having Jesus Christ Himself call you Satan.

This is the same Peter that Jesus also told was the rock that He would build His church upon:

Matthew 16:18-19 (NKJV)  18 And I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it. 19 And I will give you the keys of the kingdom of heaven, and whatever you bind on earth will be bound in heaven, and whatever you loose on earth will be loosed in heaven.”

Jesus was not the all love and no wrath hippie type that many make
him out to be. Jesus became angry, overturned tables and drove the money changers from the Synagogue with a whip:

John 2:13-16 (NKJV) 13 Now the Passover of the Jews was at hand, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. 14 And He found in the temple those who sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the money changers doing business. 15 When He had made a whip of cords, He drove them all out of the temple, with the sheep and the oxen, and poured out the changers’ money and overturned the tables. 16 And He said to those who sold doves, “Take these things away! Do not make My Father’s house a house of merchandise!”

    

Interestingly enough, Jesus Resorted to Metaphorical “Animal” Name Calling: Jesus often exposed the true nature of the wickedness of false teachers by using animal names to metaphorically describe them. He called the Pharisees the “offspring of serpents,” Herod “a fox,” false teachers “wolves,” and unregenerate Gentiles “dogs.”:

Matthew 7:15 (NKJV)  “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.

Matthew 15:21-28 (NKJV) 21 Then Jesus went out from there and departed to the region of Tyre and Sidon. 22 And behold, a woman of Canaan came from that region and cried out to Him, saying, “Have mercy on me, O Lord, Son of David! My daughter is severely demon-possessed.”

23 But He answered her not a word.

And His disciples came and urged Him, saying, “Send her away, for she cries out after us.”

24 But He answered and said, “I was not sent except to the lost sheep of the house of Israel.”

25 Then she came and worshiped Him, saying, “Lord, help me!”

26 But He answered and said, “It is not good to take the children’s bread and throw it to the little dogs.”

27 And she said, “Yes, Lord, yet even the little dogs eat the crumbs which fall from their masters’ table.”

28 Then Jesus answered and said to her, “O woman, great is your faith! Let it be to you as you desire.” And her daughter was healed from that very hour.

Not jumping on you here.

Just pointing out that Jesus like the Bible is multidimensional.

[Psychotic Bovine]

Not a topic they are willing to discuss in the least.........

No, not a topic we are willing to discuss with someone who doesn't know jack squat about the subject.
Don't argue; you don't know what you are talking about.  You are only making yourself look foolish.

Mad Cow, we have different opinions but keep the personal attacks to yourself. I know quite a bit about firearms and shooting sports and don't need your approval for any comment I make. You're the one who makes himself look foolish by insulting someone's intelligence because they don't share your view. Stats can be construed to prove almost any position, especially when they cannot be proven or qualified.
Bye the way...I had a great weekend actually USING my firearms..Lots of grouse, couple rabbits and whitefish were running so we got some fish too....a great weekend enjoying the sports I love with my legal firearms.  Insult someone who might care next time......

I truly am glad that you enjoyed your weekend and that you enjoyed shooting your guns.

I also sincerely hope that with your 5 round limit that you never find yourself surrounded by a pack of 20 rabid wolves.

Your attempt at an insult shows your complete lack of knowledge.....no one has died from a rabid wolf attack in the last 80 years or so....As a trapper, I know wolf attacks are even more rare than liberal gun owners and a wolf pack would NEVER allow a rabid member in the pack....feeble attempt.

Ok, I hope you never get attacked by a pack of wild dingoes.

And don't bother arguing, everyone knows dingoes travel in packs!  I heard they even steal babies.  Yes!  Babies!

[3fan4life]

Not a topic they are willing to discuss in the least.........

No, not a topic we are willing to discuss with someone who doesn't know jack squat about the subject.
Don't argue; you don't know what you are talking about.  You are only making yourself look foolish.

Mad Cow, we have different opinions but keep the personal attacks to yourself. I know quite a bit about firearms and shooting sports and don't need your approval for any comment I make. You're the one who makes himself look foolish by insulting someone's intelligence because they don't share your view. Stats can be construed to prove almost any position, especially when they cannot be proven or qualified.
Bye the way...I had a great weekend actually USING my firearms..Lots of grouse, couple rabbits and whitefish were running so we got some fish too....a great weekend enjoying the sports I love with my legal firearms.  Insult someone who might care next time......

I truly am glad that you enjoyed your weekend and that you enjoyed shooting your guns.

I also sincerely hope that with your 5 round limit that you never find yourself surrounded by a pack of 20 rabid wolves.

Your attempt at an insult shows your complete lack of knowledge.....no one has died from a rabid wolf attack in the last 80 years or so....As a trapper, I know wolf attacks are even more rare than liberal gun owners and a wolf pack would NEVER allow a rabid member in the pack....feeble attempt.

You're right about one thing, I don't know much about Canada.

Only been there twice.

Once to BC in 1983 and due to large quantities of alcohol I don't have a clear memory of the trip.

And once to the Thousand Islands region in 1985.

I enjoyed the tour but the border guards were so rude that I have never had a desire to go back.

So, instead of rabid wolves, insert "Angry Grizzlies" or "Rabid Rabbits".

The point is that if you're confronted with more than 5 of "Anything" that is intending to harm you, You're Screwed.   

[zero200]

I’m surprised no one here is talking about mental healthcare. The shooter clearly had issues. Why don’t we make it easier for the crazies to get treatment. This shooter could still be alive, without the incredible death toll and the horrid impact he has had on this family if he would have had the ability to get proper mental treatment.

Having crazies running around untreated with weapons readily available is a recipe for disaster.

He was getting treatment, he escaped from the hospital. They should have treated him faster?

Close, not faster, but earlier. If we wait till people are a "danger to themselves and others" its a bit too late. This guy should have gotten treatment well before he became violent and they locked him up in 2012. Prevention of mental health issues and getting in early before mental heath issues can fully develop can be way more effective than trying to cure the issue.

[northernvalk]

Not a topic they are willing to discuss in the least.........

No, not a topic we are willing to discuss with someone who doesn't know jack squat about the subject.
Don't argue; you don't know what you are talking about.  You are only making yourself look foolish.

Mad Cow, we have different opinions but keep the personal attacks to yourself. I know quite a bit about firearms and shooting sports and don't need your approval for any comment I make. You're the one who makes himself look foolish by insulting someone's intelligence because they don't share your view. Stats can be construed to prove almost any position, especially when they cannot be proven or qualified.
Bye the way...I had a great weekend actually USING my firearms..Lots of grouse, couple rabbits and whitefish were running so we got some fish too....a great weekend enjoying the sports I love with my legal firearms.  Insult someone who might care next time......

I truly am glad that you enjoyed your weekend and that you enjoyed shooting your guns.

I also sincerely hope that with your 5 round limit that you never find yourself surrounded by a pack of 20 rabid wolves.

Your attempt at an insult shows your complete lack of knowledge.....no one has died from a rabid wolf attack in the last 80 years or so....As a trapper, I know wolf attacks are even more rare than liberal gun owners and a wolf pack would NEVER allow a rabid member in the pack....feeble attempt.

You're right about one thing, I don't know much about Canada.

Only been there twice.

Once to BC in 1983 and due to large quantities of alcohol I don't have a clear memory of the trip.

And once to the Thousand Islands region in 1985.

I enjoyed the tour but the border guards were so rude that I have never had a desire to go back.

So, instead of rabid wolves, insert "Angry Grizzlies" or "Rabid Rabbits".

The point is that if you're confronted with more than 5 of "Anything" that is intending to harm you, You're Screwed.   

Give up....please. There is NO animal in North America that I fear with 5 rounds in a high power rifle.... You guys are grasping at straws and trying to personally attack me, grow up a little.  I spend a large portion of my life in the bush with all the scary animals and from the comments here, some of you may never have left the city limits...FWIW, I usually have my semi auto .22 and two 10 round clips with me, I have killed quite a few wolves with the .22, and 20 shots should be plenty, love that little Mossberg!

[Gryphon Rider]

I'd better get my thoughts in before this thread gets locked.

"We believe the right to defend ourselves even with guns if necessary is a right given to all men from God not by the second amendment, not by state laws.  Pro gun amendments and laws simply protect these God given rights from ungodly people that may try to interfere with the liberty and pursuit of happiness of others."

Commandment 13 - Thou shalt not kill.

Sorry Chris, it is not a 'God given' right.  

Even as an atheist, this is pretty clear to me.  Do not kill.  I don't see any caveat with this commandment.

I know you will try to debate this with all other kinds of texts from the bible, but I believe they are superseded by the 13th commandment.

Although, I do believe that if someone tries to harm you, or your family that you should use any means to defend yourself.  If they come into your house then they are fair game to get killed, but I still don't believe that people should carry guns.  Live by the sword, die by the sword is the old saying.

Again you prove my point.  Not only are you clueless about America, you are also having a hard time interpreting scripture correctly so, I do apologize, I should not have read this post, since I know you cant help it, you just don't understand.

You see as an atheist (for now) you cannot understand the scriptures because they are "spiritually discerned"  I cannot even argue with you because it would be like trying to teach a dog to ride a motorcycle (see how I got it to be bike related)  lol

I would recommend you not moving to a pro gun state in America any time soon, too many Christians and too many guns you would be uncomfortable.

You know Chris, for a man who says that he is a devout Christian, you sure do not present yourself that way.

Sure, I got the commandment number wrong and the exact text wrong, but being a devout Christian, you should have taken the high road and corrected me on the proper wording and try to do so in non condescending way.  Instead you decided to put me down and to call me a dog.    

Remember, I did say that I am an atheist and I never said that I was an expert in the bible.  Just the opposite, I don't believe in it, but I would never put you down for believing in it.  I think you should look at Willow's comment in another topic where Daddio put down Oss.

I don't believe that I have ever put anyone down because I didn't agree with their view and I don't think that you should either.  I am only giving my views just as you do and putting someone down to try to shut them up is bullying.

I have a sister who is a 'born again' and she is very much like you.  She has her views and puts down everyone who doesn't agree with her.  She is not a nice person, so I don't have much to do with her.

I just wonder how Jesus would done in his ministries if he would have went around saying "you cannot understand the scriptures because they are "spiritually discerned"  I cannot even argue with you because it would be like trying to teach a dog to.....".  Maybe you should stop and reflect before you respond to people.

As for Psycotic Bovine, at least you corrected me, although, not in a very nice manner.  Perhaps, you should read Willow's comment as well.

As for me, well I remember now why I don't come over to the General Board very much.  I think I will stick with the 1800 Tech board.  Those guys are pretty nice.

Actually, the commandment is Thou Shalt not Murder.  This is a HUGE distinction.  Murder is killing without reason.  Killing encompasses self defense.  And also, there are only 10 commandments.  And this one is number 6.
The right to defense is clearly a God given right.
In fact, I asked this question of our pastor one time when he and I were out at the gun range.  He carries a gun and has several sporting rifles and shotguns (read that as scary black guns), and he said God never said that you had to let someone kill you.  

Strangely enough, I have to agree and disagree with all of you.

From the US Declaration of Independence:

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed

It is difficult to find these "self-evident" truths in scripture.  Some of the underlying concepts can be found, although these concepts are usually associated with man's pursuit of the joyful, righteous life found only in God, or in the concept of impartial, righteous judgement, but none are stated explicitly, that I have found.  While there are many verses admonishing those in power to be impartial and fair, the only "right" that I have found is the right of those who receive Christ and believe in His name (and all that is implied by those two things) to become children of God (John 1:12).  And Romans 13:1 says, "there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God."

Regarding the sixth commandment, as Psychotic Bovine says, the command is not against taking a life for any reason whatsoever, but is against murder (unlawful killing)(I'll amend Psychotic Bovine's statement to say "murder is killing without lawful reason"), and the Hebrew word, rasah, also covers causing human death through carelessness or negligence.  The Old Testament certainly prescribes death as punishment for certain crimes, and the New Testament asserts the government's authority to bear the sword to enforce law and punish wrongdoing (Romans 13).  Old Testament law absolves of guilt someone who kills a thief who is breaking in (Exodus 22:2-3).

I agree that Chrisj CMA's statement, "You see as an atheist you cannot understand the scriptures because they are "spiritually discerned"  I cannot even argue with you because it would be like trying to teach a dog to ride a motorcycle," is insulting, and is itself a misinterpretation of scripture.  What he is citing is 1 Corinthians 2:14, which says, "The natural person does not accept the things of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned."  This verse does not mean that a "natural person" is unable to read the words of the Bible and make logical sense of them.  Anyone, "natural" or otherwise, who can read and understand the language (in this case, English) that the Bible is presented in can comprehend the words, especially if they take the time to study and dig a little deeper into the meaning.  To declare otherwise is nonsense.  "Spiritual discernment" is to believe what one reads in the Bible, and, through the power of the Holy Spirit, have it renew their mind so they want to obey its commands and become sanctified (set apart for God's service and increasing in holiness), entering into a deeper and deeper relationship with God.  There are, however, concepts presented in the Bible that can only be understood on a surface level by the unbeliever, but only deeply understood by the believer, and sometimes only after much meditation and actually living those concepts.  It's kind of like a non-rider understanding the sensation and experience of motorcycling, never having ridden.  They can understand the physics and even experience some of aspects of it by being a passenger or by riding a bicycle, but actually twisting the throttle, feeling the engine instantly respond, pushing the handlebar into a lean in a fast corner, is to actually understand riding.

Bscrive, it's too bad your sister is not following the apostle Peter's direction to "make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect" (1 Peter 3:14, my italics added).  Unfortunately, when one is "born again" one does not instantly become practically righteous, even though when God judges them with respect to their eternal destiny, he sees the righteousness of His Son, Jesus, instead of their sinfulness.  For a believer to become like Christ in how they relate to others, she has to put in the effort (with the Spirit's power) to be transformed.  I pray God puts you in the influence of someone who is actually living their Christianity, not just talking about it.

It seems many Americans, even Christian Americans, put more faith in the gun on their hip for their security than in the God they claim to trust.  In fact, temporal (vs. eternal) security is not something Christ or His apostles encourage us to persue.   We are to expect, rather, persecution (2 Timothy 3:12), and we are to rejoice and be glad when we are persecuted and even put to death like Old Testament prophets (Matthew 5:11-12).

My comments above are NOT a call to repeal second amendment rights, but rather to shine a light on what The Bible says about self-defence in life-threatening situations.

[Gavin_Sons]

Not a topic they are willing to discuss in the least.........

No, not a topic we are willing to discuss with someone who doesn't know jack squat about the subject.
Don't argue; you don't know what you are talking about.  You are only making yourself look foolish.

Mad Cow, we have different opinions but keep the personal attacks to yourself. I know quite a bit about firearms and shooting sports and don't need your approval for any comment I make. You're the one who makes himself look foolish by insulting someone's intelligence because they don't share your view. Stats can be construed to prove almost any position, especially when they cannot be proven or qualified.
Bye the way...I had a great weekend actually USING my firearms..Lots of grouse, couple rabbits and whitefish were running so we got some fish too....a great weekend enjoying the sports I love with my legal firearms.  Insult someone who might care next time......

I truly am glad that you enjoyed your weekend and that you enjoyed shooting your guns.

I also sincerely hope that with your 5 round limit that you never find yourself surrounded by a pack of 20 rabid wolves.

Your attempt at an insult shows your complete lack of knowledge.....no one has died from a rabid wolf attack in the last 80 years or so....As a trapper, I know wolf attacks are even more rare than liberal gun owners and a wolf pack would NEVER allow a rabid member in the pack....feeble attempt.

You're right about one thing, I don't know much about Canada.

Only been there twice.

Once to BC in 1983 and due to large quantities of alcohol I don't have a clear memory of the trip.

And once to the Thousand Islands region in 1985.

I enjoyed the tour but the border guards were so rude that I have never had a desire to go back.

So, instead of rabid wolves, insert "Angry Grizzlies" or "Rabid Rabbits".

The point is that if you're confronted with more than 5 of "Anything" that is intending to harm you, You're Screwed.   

Give up....please. There is NO animal in North America that I fear with 5 rounds in a high power rifle.... You guys are grasping at straws and trying to personally attack me, grow up a little.  I spend a large portion of my life in the bush with all the scary animals and from the comments here, some of you may never have left the city limits...FWIW, I usually have my semi auto .22 and two 10 round clips with me, I have killed quite a few wolves with the .22, and 20 shots should be plenty, love that little Mossberg!

it really sounds like you are the one looking for a fight. Wolf with a .22 

[3fan4life]

Not a topic they are willing to discuss in the least.........

No, not a topic we are willing to discuss with someone who doesn't know jack squat about the subject.
Don't argue; you don't know what you are talking about.  You are only making yourself look foolish.

Mad Cow, we have different opinions but keep the personal attacks to yourself. I know quite a bit about firearms and shooting sports and don't need your approval for any comment I make. You're the one who makes himself look foolish by insulting someone's intelligence because they don't share your view. Stats can be construed to prove almost any position, especially when they cannot be proven or qualified.
Bye the way...I had a great weekend actually USING my firearms..Lots of grouse, couple rabbits and whitefish were running so we got some fish too....a great weekend enjoying the sports I love with my legal firearms.  Insult someone who might care next time......

I truly am glad that you enjoyed your weekend and that you enjoyed shooting your guns.

I also sincerely hope that with your 5 round limit that you never find yourself surrounded by a pack of 20 rabid wolves.

Your attempt at an insult shows your complete lack of knowledge.....no one has died from a rabid wolf attack in the last 80 years or so....As a trapper, I know wolf attacks are even more rare than liberal gun owners and a wolf pack would NEVER allow a rabid member in the pack....feeble attempt.

You're right about one thing, I don't know much about Canada.

Only been there twice.

Once to BC in 1983 and due to large quantities of alcohol I don't have a clear memory of the trip.

And once to the Thousand Islands region in 1985.

I enjoyed the tour but the border guards were so rude that I have never had a desire to go back.

So, instead of rabid wolves, insert "Angry Grizzlies" or "Rabid Rabbits".

The point is that if you're confronted with more than 5 of "Anything" that is intending to harm you, You're Screwed.   

Give up....please. There is NO animal in North America that I fear with 5 rounds in a high power rifle.... You guys are grasping at straws and trying to personally attack me, grow up a little.  I spend a large portion of my life in the bush with all the scary animals and from the comments here, some of you may never have left the city limits...FWIW, I usually have my semi auto .22 and two 10 round clips with me, I have killed quite a few wolves with the .22, and 20 shots should be plenty, love that little Mossberg!

If you considered this to be a personal "attack" on you, I can only assume that you are an extremely thin skinned individual.

It was merely making an illustration that there are times when 5 rounds are not enough.

Which you clearly demonstrated by bringing your 20 rounds of .22 into the conversation.



So, am I to correctly assume that it's OK for some weapons in Canada to have more than a 5 round capacity?


My favorite rifle is my Mossberg 7mm Magnum.

It also holds 5 rounds and there isn't a single animal in North America that i would be afraid to shoot with it.

But, I wouldn't want to be up against more than 5 angry grizzly bears with it.

Frankly, I'm not sure that I'd want to be up against a really angry grizzly with anything less than a grenade launcher.

 

[northernvalk]

Not a topic they are willing to discuss in the least.........

No, not a topic we are willing to discuss with someone who doesn't know jack squat about the subject.
Don't argue; you don't know what you are talking about.  You are only making yourself look foolish.

Mad Cow, we have different opinions but keep the personal attacks to yourself. I know quite a bit about firearms and shooting sports and don't need your approval for any comment I make. You're the one who makes himself look foolish by insulting someone's intelligence because they don't share your view. Stats can be construed to prove almost any position, especially when they cannot be proven or qualified.
Bye the way...I had a great weekend actually USING my firearms..Lots of grouse, couple rabbits and whitefish were running so we got some fish too....a great weekend enjoying the sports I love with my legal firearms.  Insult someone who might care next time......

I truly am glad that you enjoyed your weekend and that you enjoyed shooting your guns.

I also sincerely hope that with your 5 round limit that you never find yourself surrounded by a pack of 20 rabid wolves.

Your attempt at an insult shows your complete lack of knowledge.....no one has died from a rabid wolf attack in the last 80 years or so....As a trapper, I know wolf attacks are even more rare than liberal gun owners and a wolf pack would NEVER allow a rabid member in the pack....feeble attempt.

You're right about one thing, I don't know much about Canada.

Only been there twice.

Once to BC in 1983 and due to large quantities of alcohol I don't have a clear memory of the trip.

And once to the Thousand Islands region in 1985.

I enjoyed the tour but the border guards were so rude that I have never had a desire to go back.

So, instead of rabid wolves, insert "Angry Grizzlies" or "Rabid Rabbits".

The point is that if you're confronted with more than 5 of "Anything" that is intending to harm you, You're Screwed.   

Give up....please. There is NO animal in North America that I fear with 5 rounds in a high power rifle.... You guys are grasping at straws and trying to personally attack me, grow up a little.  I spend a large portion of my life in the bush with all the scary animals and from the comments here, some of you may never have left the city limits...FWIW, I usually have my semi auto .22 and two 10 round clips with me, I have killed quite a few wolves with the .22, and 20 shots should be plenty, love that little Mossberg!

If you considered this to be a personal "attack" on you, I can only assume that you are an extremely thin skinned individual.

It was merely making an illustration that there are times when 5 rounds are not enough.

Which you clearly demonstrated by bringing your 20 rounds of .22 into the conversation.



So, am I to correctly assume that it's OK for some weapons in Canada to have more than a 5 round capacity?


My favorite rifle is my Mossberg 7mm Magnum.

It also holds 5 rounds and there isn't a single animal in North America that i would be afraid to shoot with it.

But, I wouldn't want to be up against more than 5 angry grizzly bears with it.

Frankly, I'm not sure that I'd want to be up against a really angry grizzly with anything less than a grenade launcher.

 

I agree that even the sweet 7mm mag might be a little under powered for an angry griz. Luckly I live thousands of miles from the nearest griz!  We are allowed to have 10 round clips in rim fire rifles. I only carry the .22 because I can use it for hunting while I trap, it can take down almost anything and doesn't make a huge hole or multiple small holes. In MOST cases, it's not the bullet size or the amount of powder behind it, but shot placement that matters most! As a trapper, we ALWAYS shoot for the head, otherwise it can cost us money. The fact remains, that the likelihood of me needing a 10 shot high powered rifle for protection is almost zero, like .000000000000001. Have fun with that 7mm, they are sweet long distance cartridges!!!

[Bighead]

Not a topic they are willing to discuss in the least.........

No, not a topic we are willing to discuss with someone who doesn't know jack squat about the subject.
Don't argue; you don't know what you are talking about.  You are only making yourself look foolish.

Mad Cow, we have different opinions but keep the personal attacks to yourself. I know quite a bit about firearms and shooting sports and don't need your approval for any comment I make. You're the one who makes himself look foolish by insulting someone's intelligence because they don't share your view. Stats can be construed to prove almost any position, especially when they cannot be proven or qualified.
Bye the way...I had a great weekend actually USING my firearms..Lots of grouse, couple rabbits and whitefish were running so we got some fish too....a great weekend enjoying the sports I love with my legal firearms.  Insult someone who might care next time......

I truly am glad that you enjoyed your weekend and that you enjoyed shooting your guns.

I also sincerely hope that with your 5 round limit that you never find yourself surrounded by a pack of 20 rabid wolves.

Your attempt at an insult shows your complete lack of knowledge.....no one has died from a rabid wolf attack in the last 80 years or so....As a trapper, I know wolf attacks are even more rare than liberal gun owners and a wolf pack would NEVER allow a rabid member in the pack....feeble attempt.

You're right about one thing, I don't know much about Canada.

Only been there twice.

Once to BC in 1983 and due to large quantities of alcohol I don't have a clear memory of the trip.

And once to the Thousand Islands region in 1985.

I enjoyed the tour but the border guards were so rude that I have never had a desire to go back.

So, instead of rabid wolves, insert "Angry Grizzlies" or "Rabid Rabbits".

The point is that if you're confronted with more than 5 of "Anything" that is intending to harm you, You're Screwed.   

Give up....please. There is NO animal in North America that I fear with 5 rounds in a high power rifle.... You guys are grasping at straws and trying to personally attack me, grow up a little.  I spend a large portion of my life in the bush with all the scary animals and from the comments here, some of you may never have left the city limits...FWIW, I usually have my semi auto .22 and two 10 round clips with me, I have killed quite a few wolves with the .22, and 20 shots should be plenty, love that little Mossberg!

What is a clip? 
They ARE magazines

[3fan4life]

Not a topic they are willing to discuss in the least.........

No, not a topic we are willing to discuss with someone who doesn't know jack squat about the subject.
Don't argue; you don't know what you are talking about.  You are only making yourself look foolish.

Mad Cow, we have different opinions but keep the personal attacks to yourself. I know quite a bit about firearms and shooting sports and don't need your approval for any comment I make. You're the one who makes himself look foolish by insulting someone's intelligence because they don't share your view. Stats can be construed to prove almost any position, especially when they cannot be proven or qualified.
Bye the way...I had a great weekend actually USING my firearms..Lots of grouse, couple rabbits and whitefish were running so we got some fish too....a great weekend enjoying the sports I love with my legal firearms.  Insult someone who might care next time......

I truly am glad that you enjoyed your weekend and that you enjoyed shooting your guns.

I also sincerely hope that with your 5 round limit that you never find yourself surrounded by a pack of 20 rabid wolves.

Your attempt at an insult shows your complete lack of knowledge.....no one has died from a rabid wolf attack in the last 80 years or so....As a trapper, I know wolf attacks are even more rare than liberal gun owners and a wolf pack would NEVER allow a rabid member in the pack....feeble attempt.

You're right about one thing, I don't know much about Canada.

Only been there twice.

Once to BC in 1983 and due to large quantities of alcohol I don't have a clear memory of the trip.

And once to the Thousand Islands region in 1985.

I enjoyed the tour but the border guards were so rude that I have never had a desire to go back.

So, instead of rabid wolves, insert "Angry Grizzlies" or "Rabid Rabbits".

The point is that if you're confronted with more than 5 of "Anything" that is intending to harm you, You're Screwed.   

Give up....please. There is NO animal in North America that I fear with 5 rounds in a high power rifle.... You guys are grasping at straws and trying to personally attack me, grow up a little.  I spend a large portion of my life in the bush with all the scary animals and from the comments here, some of you may never have left the city limits...FWIW, I usually have my semi auto .22 and two 10 round clips with me, I have killed quite a few wolves with the .22, and 20 shots should be plenty, love that little Mossberg!

What is a clip? 
They ARE magazines

I tend to call them "clips" as well.

Not sure where I picked up that habit.

One thing is for sure after boot camp I don't call a rifle a gun.   

[Willow]

This has been a lot of work for me going back to sift out insults and attacks rather than respectful discussion.

I did not lock this thread because I felt it would be unfair to those who want to participate in discussion and new news on the Texas shooting.

If you wish to discuss whether or not Americans should be allowed to own weapons and what kind take it somewhere else such as another board.

If I have to further address this thread for insults I will give a message board vacation to those that insist.  

Perhaps I did not make myself clear enough.  The exchange that resulted in the insults and attacks in this thread is to be ended.

If I have to further address this thread for insults I will give a message board vacation to those that insist.  

[Bighead]

Wow many posts removed.

[¿spoom]

Wow many posts removed.

Too many, but I suppose too few would have been worse.

[Willow]

I have been continually removing replies from this thread that have occurred after I clearly indicated that the conversation resulting in attacks and insults in this thread was to cease.  Apparently some either don't bother to read before they post or are unable to understand what was said.  I guess the third option is that some simply don't feel they need to comply. 

If you wish to contribute to this thread with further news or observations on the Texas shootings please feel free to do do.  If you just wish to continue the discussion ragarding firearms and clips don't.
 
If I have to further address this thread for insults I will give a message board vacation to those that insist. 

Perhaps I did not make myself clear enough.  The exchange that resulted in the insults and attacks in this thread is to be ended.

If I have to further address this thread for insults I will give a message board vacation to those that insist. 

[old2soon]

Just read a news blurb that said they will be tearing down that Church. Stated too many bad memories. The Pastors 14 year old Daughter Died in that attack. RIDE SAFE.

[¿spoom]

Just read a news blurb that said they will be tearing down that Church. Stated too many bad memories. The Pastors 14 year old Daughter Died in that attack. RIDE SAFE.

Yeah, seems like a good idea to me to turn the ground over and start from scratch, even if it has to be in a tent for a while.