Coronavirus $hit be getting real

[Robert]

Does not take into the US where cases have not been as serious in compairison to other countries. It does not also take into account the testing has shown more wide spread and people show little to no symptoms. 800k dead are the old stats that no one is predicting these days. This is the stat they used to close the economy. Does not take into account that more paitents are not going on a ventalator because of Trumps remedy.

World wide
Coronavirus Cases:
2,760,442
view by country
Deaths:
193,148
Recovered:
762,784

[Valkorado]

It's a recent interview and he is forecasting over the next 6-18 months.  

Despite his predictions, if you read the interview you'll see that he is in favor of getting society moving again.  As am I.

[carolinarider09]

I included the scientist's last statement from the interview above, as I do think it it's important -- as is the entire interview.  Yes, he says we could he "is expecting" we will lose 800,000 in the US over the next 6-18 months...

He also says this:

We can't stop living life. We have to move forward. But we must do so while thinking about how to get people back into society in a way that is thoughtful and takes into account every possible option to make sure people don't get seriously ill and don't subsequently die.

I take your quote as gospel, for you at least. 

There is no way to protect yourself completely.  The question is, what freedoms are you ready to give up in perpetuity for the a smaller chance of catching a disease, getting injured?????

The key words from your quote are "and takes into account every possible option to make sure people don't get seriously ill and don't subsequently die."

Every possible option

We take risks everyday.  Ninety nine percent of the time, at our own choice.

When did we become afraid to live?  When did we become wimps?

So, let's look at every possible option. 

First,  when you climb a ladder, do you use three point contact?  If not you are not taking every possible option when climbing that ladder to protect yourself (and the person holding the ladder if you fall)

If you work on electrical circuits, do you do a live dead live check?  If not you are not taking every possible option  to protect yourself.

When ascending or descending stairs, do you use the handrail?  If not you are not taking every possible option to protect yourself (and don't tell me you get germs that way because if you don't touch open sores, your face, nose or eyes, its not a problem and you can wash your hands first chance you get).

When using a sharp knife for cutting, do you use kevlar gloves?  If not you are not taking every possible option to protect yourself. 

You ride a motorcycle, you should not since it is considered a dangerous activity.  By riding a motorcycle you are not taking every possible option to remain safe.  Yet you chose to ride. 

And finally this is a free country, our freedoms are inshrined in our founding documents.  Freedom to assemble, freedom to travel (move from place to place).  Freedom of speech.   

So, the next question is where do my freedoms stop and yours begin.  Thats the question is it not? 


 

[Valkorado]

 

Again, since we're in agreement, please stop with the my and your freedoms.  Last timeI checked, we share those.  And I, like you, will not give them away.

They're not my quotes either, and I didn't present them as such.

[Skinhead]

I just got an alert on my phone that DimWhitmer, our Fuhrer her in MI has extended the stay at home mandate in MI  until May 15.  Nazi bitch!

[carolinarider09]

Again, since we're in agreement, please stop with the my and your freedoms.  Last timeI checked, we share those.  And I, like you, will not give them away.

They're not my quotes either, and I didn't present them as such.

It is hard to differentiate between what you believe and don't believe since adding a quote implies you support the quote.   

Your quote implied that you believed that we had to take every possible action to slow the spread. 

We have been shutdown long enough.  Now is the time to open up. 

Social distancing was only to "flatten the curve".  The curve has been flattened.  Now is the time to get back to work.  (Source for this statement is referenced below.  I have no information on the website or its intent or leanings).

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/social-distancing

We have done what was asked of us.  Some begrudgingly, some with fervor.  I was in the first group. 

It is time to return this country to normal.   

[carolinarider09]

I just got an alert on my phone that DimWhitmer, our Fuhrer her in MI has extended the stay at home mandate in MI  until May 15.  Nazi bitch!

Since I live in South Carolina, I cannot help much in Michigan (although I did spend three years in Hope, MI).  I can tell you that I have contacted the President and the Governor of our state saying things need to change. 

I have sent a message to the Governor of GA thanking him for his opening his state and trying to get back to normal. 

Only time will tell but I believe, as I told the Governor in my message, he made a good choice. 

[Valkorado]

It's a discussion thread.   I think it was an interesting interview, and that's why I linked it here.   It's not that I agree or disagree with the scientist.   In fact,  I agree with his timeline but question his numbers.   I could easily be wrong on both counts.   I posted it so people can read it if they're so inclined.  And draw their own conclusions.

I think it's time to move on with society.

I can guarantee that IF things get out of hand in certain areas the powers that be will jump right on it with necessary mitigations.

It is what it is.

[scooperhsd]

Again, since we're in agreement, please stop with the my and your freedoms.  Last timeI checked, we share those.  And I, like you, will not give them away.

They're not my quotes either, and I didn't present them as such.

It is hard to differentiate between what you believe and don't believe since adding a quote implies you support the quote.   

Your quote implied that you believed that we had to take every possible action to slow the spread. 

We have been shutdown long enough.  Now is the time to open up. 

Social distancing was only to "flatten the curve".  The curve has been flattened.  Now is the time to get back to work.  (Source for this statement is referenced below.  I have no information on the website or its intent or leanings).

https://taskandpurpose.com/news/social-distancing

We have done what was asked of us.  Some begrudgingly, some with fervor.  I was in the first group. 

It is time to return this country to normal.   

Amen to this entire quote.
Time to start to return to "normal" and start the economic recovery as well. THis will not be a turn around as fast as we shut it down, but I have faith that most things can return.

[Valkorado]

These Are the States Opening Back Up for Business (as of today)

https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/04/states-stay-at-home-orders-ending.html

Surprised that our "happy"  (actually kinda grumpy) governor is easing up very slightly...

[..]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8255233/Italys-coronavirus-outbreak-began-January-study-shows.html

[Robert]

Well the conspiracy theory label is officially dead and what was once heralded as fiction the fact has come out in support of it. Now who was it that posted it was a conspiracy theory?

A term actually coined by the CIA to discredit the truth. CIA Popularized "Conspiracy Theory" Term to Silence Dissent

Pennsylvania has had to remove hundreds of coronavirus deaths from its official death count this week, following questions of accuracy and highlighted discrepancies by area coroners.

The PA health department decided to include “probable” coronavirus deaths, or an assumed COVID-19-related death without testing for the virus, to their death tolls, dating back days and even weeks ago. But the death toll spike raised questions from coroners who came forward to highlight a discrepancy in death totals, which were not adding up to the number of all-cause deaths.

[Jess from VA]

I am not reading all the news about this everyday (or every other day).  I've learned what I need to go about my life with decent awareness.  

And maybe this is no-kidding obvious.  But to me one of the more insidious things about this virus is that so many are either not affected much at all (all the way through resolution), or affected so minimally and gradually for up to maybe two weeks before they get sick enough to understand they are affected.  So when it is introduced to some ideal breeding ground it has a good chance of spreading all over the place before anyone is aware of it.  At least in all the regional worldwide outbreaks.  Now that it is perpetual news, people are on notice of good precaution procedures, but not when it started out.

The wide variability of symptomtology among the population, from nothing to almost nothing, to pretty miserably bad (and terminal), is also curious.

However, perhaps this is completely normal for any and all strains of all flu bugs.   And we just never spent as much time thinking and reading about it before.  

[Valkorado]

I am not reading all the news about this everyday (or every other day).  I've learned what I need to go about my life with decent awareness.  

And maybe this is no-kidding obvious.  But to me one of the more insidious things about this virus is that so many are either not affected much at all (all the way through resolution), or affected so minimally and gradually for up to maybe two weeks before they get sick enough to understand they are affected.  So when it is introduced to some ideal breeding ground it has a good chance of spreading all over the place before anyone is aware of it.  At least in all the regional worldwide outbreaks.  Now that it is perpetual news, people are on notice of good precaution procedures, but not when it started out.

The wide variability of symptomtology among the population, from nothing to almost nothing, to pretty miserably bad (and terminal), is also curious.

However, perhaps this is completely normal for any and all strains of all flu bugs.   And we just never spent as much time thinking and reading about it before.  

Well, I hate bringing this thread pages back but this is no flu, it's a totally different animal.

Covid 19 coronavirus: How it kills in 'ferocious rampage' from brain to toes


Covid-19 kills "in a ferocious rampage through the body from brain to toes" doctors have explained, saying the virus "acts like no pathogen humanity has ever seen".

In an article in sciencemag.org, frontline clinicians caring for the five per cent who become critically ill are forming a "fast-evolving" snapshot of how it attacks different organs in different coronavirus patients.

"(The disease) can attack almost anything in the body with devastating consequences," Yale University cardiologist Harlan Krumholz told ScienceMag. "Its ferocity is breathtaking and humbling."

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=12327575


https://www.cnn.com/videos/us/2020/03/26/3d-video-shows-covid-19-attack-lungs.cnn/video/playlists/top-news-videos/

We're in the second, maybe third inning.  And yes, we must go about our lives with decent awareness.  Since we can't trust everyone to do the same, I'd  suggest with great awareness.

[Serk]

What a strange timeline we're on.....

France on Friday limited the sale of nicotine substitutes to avoid stockpiling after research suggested the addictive substance could have the potential to protect people from contracting the coronavirus.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20200424/france-limits-sale-of-nicotine-products-after-coronavirus-research

[Valkorado]

Coming out ofa Hong Kong broadcast network.  Note the title of the website is GOSSIPONTHIS, so don't hold me to anything!

https://gossiponthis.com/2020/04/25/kim-jong-un-death-reports-heart-surgery/

Or maybe he's just veging out.

https://www.yourtango.com/2020333529/kim-jong-un-dead

[..]

https://www.theguardian.com/membership/2020/apr/25/reporting-in-wuhan-i-thought-sars-wouldnt-be-repeated-this-was-worse?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Yahoo_Mail

[..]

Coming out ofa Hong Kong broadcast network.  Note the title of the website is GOSSIPONTHIS, so don't hold me to anything!

https://gossiponthis.com/2020/04/25/kim-jong-un-death-reports-heart-surgery/

Trumps fault.

[Valkorado]

Coronavirus crisis -- Only science will free us from this pandemic

https://www.foxnews.com/opinion/tucker-carlson-coronavirus-science-pandemic

[Valkorado]

I was just watching Fox News.   They were talking about Gunnison County,  and saying that per capita we have a bigger problem than LA County.

I found this page,  it scores counties based on preparedness.   Remember to click on your county after entering it to update the stats.

https://www.statnews.com/feature/coronavirus/county-preparedness-scores/

https://www.statnews.com/2020/04/16/rural-communities-coronavirus-toll/

[98valk]

I was just watching Fox News.   They were talking about Gunnison County,  and saying that per capita we have a bigger problem than LA County.

I found this page,  it scores counties based on preparedness.   Remember to click on your county after entering it to update the stats.

https://www.statnews.com/feature/coronavirus/county-preparedness-scores/

where does all of the sky high insurance premiums and state and federal medical funds allocated for health care system go? asking for a friend.

[Valkorado]

I was just watching Fox News.   They were talking about Gunnison County,  and saying that per capita we have a bigger problem than LA County.

I found this page,  it scores counties based on preparedness.   Remember to click on your county after entering it to update the stats.

https://www.statnews.com/feature/coronavirus/county-preparedness-scores/

where does all of the sky high insurance premiums and state and federal medical funds allocated for health care system go? asking for a friend.

Are you asking me?  Heck, I don't know.  I'm merely a lowly peasant.

[Willow]

In the beginning the stay-at-home orders were said to be meant to "lower the curve", that is to avoid a sudden surge that would overwhelm the hospitals.  Somewhere along the line they (whoever "they" are) began to market it differently.  Everywhere we saw signs that said, "Stay home.  Save lives," and "Keep your distance.  Save lives."  Are we that stupid?  Lowering the curve does avoid a surge but it lengthens the duration of the epidemic.  The people who are going to get the virus are going to get it.  The people who are going to die from the virus are going to die.  The only difference, barring a miraculous vaccine development or a sudden cure discovery, is not how many but when.  So far only New York City ( and its New Jersey nearbies) are the only hospitals that seem to have been overwhelmed.

How prepared is your county?  For what?  We've already seriously damaged the economy and changed almost nothing.  Do we have enough hospitals? 

Social distancing was a feel good move.  It didn't change anything but the timing.  Wash your hands and be aware of where you are.

Quarantine is for people who are infected not for people who are afraid they might get infected.  Open the country up and deal with nature's consequences.  You will sooner or later anyway.

[Valkorado]

be aware of where you are.

The sole reason I posted the link.

[Beardo]

In the beginning the stay-at-home orders were said to be meant to "lower the curve", that is to avoid a sudden surge that would overwhelm the hospitals.  Somewhere along the line they (whoever "they" are) began to market it differently.  Everywhere we saw signs that said, "Stay home.  Save lives," and "Keep your distance.  Save lives."  Are we that stupid?  Lowering the curve does avoid a surge but it lengthens the duration of the epidemic.  The people who are going to get the virus are going to get it.  The people who are going to die from the virus are going to die.  The only difference, barring a miraculous vaccine development or a sudden cure discovery, is not how many but when.  So far only New York City ( and its New Jersey nearbies) are the only hospitals that seem to have been overwhelmed.

How prepared is your county?  For what?  We've already seriously damaged the economy and changed almost nothing.  Do we have enough hospitals? 

Social distancing was a feel good move.  It didn't change anything but the timing.  Wash your hands and be aware of where you are.

Quarantine is for people who are infected not for people who are afraid they might get infected.  Open the country up and deal with nature's consequences.  You will sooner or later anyway.

Agree 100%. Yes, we want to try and prevent our hospitals from getting overloaded so they can save all the ones that could have been saved.

But the people saying “stay inside or we’ll have to stay in even longer” are wrong.  We actually want as many getting it as possible without overloading the hospital. Our hospitals only have 6 people with it. They’re sitting empty. They’re cutting back on shifts because there’s no one there. All we’re doing is dragging this out longer. 

Sure, the longer we drag it out, it gives doctors more time to figure out what works and what doesn’t. But living like this can’t go on for another 3 months, let alone 12 or 18.

[Willow]

be aware of where you are.

The sole reason I posted the link.

LOL!  I should have been more specific.  I didn't mean the county.  That's way too broad.  I did mean pay attention to where you are as in who is around you and what group frequents where you are.   

[carolinarider09]

In the beginning the stay-at-home orders were said to be meant to "lower the curve", that is to avoid a sudden surge that would overwhelm the hospitals.  Somewhere along the line they (whoever "they" are) began to market it differently.  Everywhere we saw signs that said, "Stay home.  Save lives," and "Keep your distance.  Save lives."  Are we that stupid?  Lowering the curve does avoid a surge but it lengthens the duration of the epidemic.  The people who are going to get the virus are going to get it.  The people who are going to die from the virus are going to die.  The only difference, barring a miraculous vaccine development or a sudden cure discovery, is not how many but when.  So far only New York City ( and its New Jersey nearbies) are the only hospitals that seem to have been overwhelmed.

How prepared is your county?  For what?  We've already seriously damaged the economy and changed almost nothing.  Do we have enough hospitals? 

Social distancing was a feel good move.  It didn't change anything but the timing.  Wash your hands and be aware of where you are.

Quarantine is for people who are infected not for people who are afraid they might get infected.  Open the country up and deal with nature's consequences.  You will sooner or later anyway.

Agree.

I am amazed as I surf through Facebook posts of the number of people who say no to doing anything but stay home and separated.

You are 100% correct about the "social distancing" activity and, if and when a vaccine is available it will be maybe 50% effective. 

The only way to beat this disease is through activity, good health, being rational, and herd immunity.

And by beating I mean accepting its existence and living your life. 

[Valkorado]

be aware of where you are.

The sole reason I posted the link.

LOL!  I should have been more specific.  I didn't mean the county.  That's way too broad.  I did mean pay attention to where you are as in who is around you and what group frequents where you are.  

Only a fool wouldn't.

Curious, tho.  If you feel that social distancing was just a "feel good" move, why would you give a damn who is around you?   Or do you just always make sure that the "group that frequents where you are" consists only of clean, virus free folk?  

[..]

I'm keeping my mouth shut on this. 


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8258725/Maryland-governor-said-hundreds-called-ask-ingesting-Clorox.html

[Valkorado]

I'm keeping my mouth shut on this. 


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8258725/Maryland-governor-said-hundreds-called-ask-ingesting-Clorox.html

They must have bred the brains right out of those Marylanders!

[Robert]

What people die of is still in question, it sounds more of an autoimmune disease and that is why our own  leukocytes or white blood cells attack our own body. Our own cells that are supposed to protect us overreact and kill good cells and that can happen in any organ. Like so many examples given of Covid 19 attacking the lungs. Its not actually the disease that kills, it tricks our immune system to do the job for it. 

The hydroxychloroquine suppresses inflammation and the Z pack stops infections.

These are just a few other autoimmune diseases that cover a multitude of symptoms and reactions.
 
     Rheumatoid arthritis. ...
    Systemic lupus erythematosus (lupus). ...
    Inflammatory bowel disease (IBD). ...
    Multiple sclerosis (MS). ...
    Type 1 diabetes mellitus. ...
    Guillain-Barre syndrome. ...
    Chronic inflammatory demyelinating polyneuropathy. ...
    Psoriasis.

Just because antibiotics cannot kill viruses they can stop secondary diseases from moving in. So the one two punch of the medications can preserve organs and other parts of the body if the two are given early. Since once the body begins to attack itself its not easy to stop.

The reason I wrote this is many diseases follow similar paths like the ones above and this one below.

Guillain-Barré (gee-YAH-buh-RAY) syndrome is a rare disorder in which your body's immune system attacks your nerves. Weakness and tingling in your extremities are usually the first symptoms. These sensations can quickly spread, eventually paralyzing your whole body.

I dont have to tell you without a ventilator on this you are dead if it hits the nerves controlling breathing.

Viruses can be dangerous and we thank God have a wonderful immune system that can protect us from many things. The more we are exposed to, the more our systems know what to protect us from. So the idea of isolation is not doing anyone except the curve any good and even that is questionable.

So while Covid 19 seems to be different because of the purposeful engineering involved the path it takes is not totally unknown.

Watch: E.R. Doctors Urge A Reopening: Lockdown Creating Public Health Crisis, Doctors ‘Pressured’ To Add COVID To Death Reports, Quarantining Healthy ‘Never Seen’ Before

https://youtu.be/xfLVxx_lBLU

Dr says you have 0.1 percent chance of dying and 92 percent recovery in NY

[Willow]

LOL!  I should have been more specific.  I didn't mean the county.  That's way too broad.  I did mean pay attention to where you are as in who is around you and what group frequents where you are.  

Only a fool wouldn't.

Curious, tho.  If you feel that social distancing was just a "feel good" move, why would you give a damn who is around you?   Or do you just always make sure that the "group that frequents where you are" consists only of clean, virus free folk?  

Social distancing was promoted as applying to everyone.  That is to say that each person has a 1 in 250 chance of being sick but we assume everyone is.  Being aware of whom you are around has to do with assessing relative cleanliness and culture.  Honestly though I think the majority of the country is safe I probably wouldn't take the opportunity right now to visit New York City, especially where the poorer class of NYC frequents.  Yes, I know.  Profiling is not socially acceptable.  It's easier just to assume everyone is going to hijack an aircraft.

After certain encounters I may more readily sanitize my hands.  There are plenty of folks I would still hug or shake their hands.

[carolinarider09]

Social distancing was proposed and put into place based on the advice of Dr. Fauci and Dr. Brix.  Not sure if they both suggested it, came up with the concept on their own or simply someone asked a question about how might we minimize the spread of the virus. 

On the face of it, social distancing seems to be a good technique if you have a highly contagious disease that, when you get it, you will probably die.  That was the thought, I believe when they first made plans to “flatten the curve” since a highly contagious dangerous and deadly disease needed something to stand in the way.  Something to limit the foreseen impact on hospitals and health care professionals.  Not to limit the number of infections.  The area under the curve remained the same (number affected).  It just took longer to get there (all the estimated infections). 

However the Corona-19 virus is not very deadly.  It does kill, but current deaths are at the same level as the Flu for this past Flu season and have not reached the level of the 2017-2018 Flu season.  You have to remember “WE HAVE A FLU VACCINE”.   And no vaccine for Corona-19 yet.  Comparisons between the mortality associated with the two diseases is hard to make.

What finally caught my attention and my distrust of what Dr. Fauci and Dr. Brix wanted us to do was in the statements they made about “Things may never be the same”.  The implication was that social distancing was to be the new norm.  We would no longer have large crowds at certain venues.  We would never shake the hand of a stranger.  We would never hug someone that we did not know well. 

Such things cannot and will not be accepted by Americans.  Nor should they be.  If we let the advent of Corona-19 change our way of life such that hugs and handshakes are no longer acceptable, we lose and the virus wins.  If we require social distancing as a standard, we lose and the virus wins. 

The question has been asked, “so how will you interface with others?” (or words to that effect).

The answer is simple, you use common sense just as you did before.  If someone appears to be sick, keep clear.  Exchanging bodily fluids with a stranger has always been a way to exchange an unknown disease (no, I mean kissing a stranger).  So, just keep that in mind. 

If someone takes a bite from an apple and offers it to you for a bite, consider what you disease might be transmitted (just like you did before but unconsciously, now you are more aware). 

[Valkorado]

Viruses can be dangerous and we thank God have a wonderful immune system that can protect us from many things. The more we are exposed to, the more our systems know what to protect us from.

Well, heck, why bother with all this hand washing crap?  Dive in!  

[Robert]

Many people have washed their hands and tested positive.

There is increasing evidence on social media that the National Guard has been deployed to the nation's food banks to ensure food supply chain networks are not severed, and shortages do not materialize.

This comes at a challenging period for the country, one where 26.5 million people have filed for unemployment benefits in five weeks as the economy crashes into depression.

We have documented the unprecedented volume of Americans flooding food banks across the country in the last four weeks as a hunger crisis develops.

Now it appears National Guard troops have been deployed to food banks in many states to make sure logistical pipelines of food to these facilities can continue dishing out care packages to the working poor.

[Valkorado]

The answer is simple, you use common sense just as you did before.  If someone appears to be sick, keep clear.  

So it's OK to relax and chill out with asymptomatic carriers?  

-- I hope youse guys realize I'm funnin'  -- about 90% of the time.

[Robert]

The second lie of the medically uninformed. Even among those who do contract COVID-19, most under 60, including virtually everyone under 21, will never know they had it. On the USS Theodore Roosevelt, 60% were asymptomatic. Of the 2 million people who have tested positive for COVID-19 globally, most have had mild to no symptoms. By the three and half month mark of flu season, the flu had resulted in over 2 million severe cases requiring hospitalization. Influenza results in 290,000 to 670,000 deaths annually. COVID-19 deaths will be discussed below.

According to worldometers.info from January 1 to April 1, 2020 the worldwide deaths from COVID-19 were 46,438 as opposed to 121,993 for influenza.

 To recap, during the same three months, with the same social distancing, the same shelter in place, and even handicapped with a vaccine against it, the flu still killed more than two and a half times as many people as COVID-19.

 In terms of deciding to shut down the economy, there were 11 causes of death on the list.  Influenza and COVID-19 were ranked a distant 10th and 11th. On March 23, 2020, a Vox.com article by Dylan Scott outlined COVID-19 risks by age group. CDC figures cited a death rate of 2.7 percent for those 65 to 74, 4.3 percent for those 75 to 84, and 10.4 percent for those 85 and over.

So yes technically you could skip hand washing.

Not every country has shut down their economy, and none of those countries have suffered higher rates of death because they have kept their economy going.

This is not a medical crisis, but a political crisis.
If you love your children, enjoy sports, or know anyone who owns or is employed by a small business you should be angry. Very angry. We can absolutely take steps to protect the elderly and vulnerable, but everything should reopen immediately.

Primary Author: David Williams, MD
https://coronavirustruths.godaddysites.com/

[Valkorado]

However the Corona-19 virus is not very deadly.  It does kill, but current deaths are at the same level as the Flu for this past Flu season and have not reached the level of the 2017-2018 Flu season.  You have to remember “WE HAVE A FLU VACCINE”.   And no vaccine for Corona-19 yet.  Comparisons between the mortality associated with the two diseases is hard to make.

Not to trivialize the flu, but 54,810+ dead from COVID in the US in two months is nothing to scoff at.  About 2,000 deaths per day as of right now.

We're closer to the end of the beginning than the beginning of the end.  The numbers will grow, quite considerably, over the the next month and a half or so.   They'll grow by an estimated 58,000 - 100,000 more deaths in our country during that time.

Does this mean hide in your basement?  Not unless you want to.

[98valk]

However the Corona-19 virus is not very deadly.  It does kill, but current deaths are at the same level as the Flu for this past Flu season and have not reached the level of the 2017-2018 Flu season.  You have to remember “WE HAVE A FLU VACCINE”.   And no vaccine for Corona-19 yet.  Comparisons between the mortality associated with the two diseases is hard to make.

Not to trivialize the flu, but 54,810+ dead from COVID in the US in two months is nothing to scoff at.  About 2,000 deaths per day as of right now.

We're closer to the end of the beginning than the beginning of the end.  The numbers will grow, quite considerably, over the the next month and a half or so.   They'll grow by an estimated 58,000 - 100,000 more deaths in our country during that time.

Does this mean hide in your basement?  Not unless you want to.

it has already been proven those numbers are pumped up due to how the CDC has told doctors to record the deaths. there are tv news reports out there about this and even a state senator who is also a doctor stating this. I posted about the senator before.

[Valkorado]

it has already been proven those numbers are pumped up due to how the CDC has told doctors to record the deaths. there are tv news reports out there about this and even a state senator who is also a doctor stating this. I posted about the senator before.

Funny you dispute the COVID numbers but not the influenza numbers.  COVID death numbers are some kind of a conspiracy, but influenza numbers are legit?

If you can prove you're more accurate tallying numbers than Johns Hopkins is, I'll switch to your counting method.

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