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« Reply #1121 on: April 20, 2020, 07:25:36 AM » |
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Dont know if you have seen this but its great. Dan set Bill straight on a few issues. Gives a real time line and who was responsible for what. Rep. Dan Crenshaw: Fortitude | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO) https://youtu.be/RTGBJMDcras |
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« Reply #1122 on: April 20, 2020, 07:28:30 AM » |
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« Reply #1124 on: April 20, 2020, 08:53:36 AM » |
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Curiuos. What is Fauci's "agenda" in announcing that reopening the economy too quickly will backfire? It seems our President agrees to the extent that his plan is 3 stage, not 1 stage. |
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« Reply #1129 on: April 21, 2020, 09:32:18 AM » |
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Here's some Stats to think about.
- Chances of getting C-19 = .0076% (In the US)
For every 1% increase in unemployment there will be;
- 3.3% more deaths due to Overdose
- 0.99% more Suicides
Unemployment is up 20%..
All this C-19 nonsense isn't about saving lives, is it?
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« Reply #1130 on: April 21, 2020, 09:36:43 AM » |
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The lockdown was originally sold NOT as being to eliminate people from getting the virus, it was understood that most people would eventually get it, the lockdown was sold as being to "flatten the curve" so that our medical system wouldn't be overwhelmed by too many people getting sick at once.
We've achieved that (In most of the country.)
Now, we're being told we're supposed to stay under lockdown....... Indefinitely?
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Time's up.
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The lockdown was originally sold NOT as being to eliminate people from getting the virus, it was understood that most people would eventually get it, the lockdown was sold as being to "flatten the curve" so that our medical system wouldn't be overwhelmed by too many people getting sick at once.
We've achieved that (In most of the country.)
Now, we're being told we're supposed to stay under lockdown....... Indefinitely?
Nope...
Time's up.
"medical system wouldn't be overwhelmed" and that is the key cover up of a medical system with under sized hospitals and lack of supplies due to federal money, insurance premiums being funneled off into the corporation executives and the politicians involved. new hospitals being built in NJ and PA are built inside including the bathrooms like five star hotels. I've been in them and talked to builder I know that work in them. Stone tiles installed that are $50 a piece, etc. |
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« Reply #1133 on: April 21, 2020, 12:37:17 PM » |
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« Reply #1134 on: April 21, 2020, 01:00:02 PM » |
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Serk, I guess I must read the whole Bee article to understand the satire. The column on the right is the mistranslation accepted by so many ignorant Americans but is in no way anywhere close to what the phrase on the left means.
You usually do better.
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« Reply #1135 on: April 21, 2020, 01:17:07 PM » |
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The lockdown was originally sold NOT as being to eliminate people from getting the virus, it was understood that most people would eventually get it, the lockdown was sold as being to "flatten the curve" so that our medical system wouldn't be overwhelmed by too many people getting sick at once.
We've achieved that (In most of the country.)
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« Reply #1136 on: April 21, 2020, 01:30:45 PM » |
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Serk, I guess I must read the whole Bee article to understand the satire. The column on the right is the mistranslation accepted by so many ignorant Americans but is in no way anywhere close to what the phrase on the left means.
You usually do better.
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« Reply #1138 on: April 21, 2020, 01:57:53 PM » |
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The lockdown was originally sold NOT as being to eliminate people from getting the virus, it was understood that most people would eventually get it, the lockdown was sold as being to "flatten the curve" so that our medical system wouldn't be overwhelmed by too many people getting sick at once.
We've achieved that (In most of the country.)
Now, we're being told we're supposed to stay under lockdown....... Indefinitely?
Nope...
Time's up.
Exactly. They keep moving the goal post. Here's something to think about. I mean no disrespect to the fine medical (not economic) experts that are advising the government during this time of threat. As the threat becomes more or less catastrophic under which suppositions do these advisers become more or less important and more or less held highly in the public eye? The projections keep getting smaller with time and each new model. Models are imaginary projections of what will happen. They are dependent upon the data put into them and are usually edged by assumptions that are included with the data. One will say the projections are falling because the mitigations enacted are having success. Another will say the models keep predicting differently because the data inputted was faulty. Perhaps both are partially right. |
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« Reply #1141 on: April 22, 2020, 10:55:01 AM » |
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Rep Dan Crenshaw A great laying out of the timeline of the goverments response. https://twitter.com/i/status/1252046878314770432 |
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Can't see article. Too difficult to keep clean? I know it was messed up from the moment it dropped anchor. Corona only patients. Oh no Regular patients. Oh no We brought a few coronas on board. |
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« Reply #1144 on: April 22, 2020, 04:08:56 PM » |
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If you use Chrome, I highly recommend this extension, among other benefits it adds a right click on an overlay like that site uses and "Remove Overlay" and poof, it's gone: https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/pop-up-blocker-for-chrome/bkkbcggnhapdmkeljlodobbkopceicheBut the highlight points from the article: New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo told President Donald Trump on Tuesday that New York City no longer needed the US Navy hospital ship Comfort. The USNS Comfort was deployed to Manhattan at the end of March to aid the city's hospitals, which were overwhelmed with coronavirus patients. But with the conversion of the Javits Convention Center into a temporary hospital, the Comfort didn't get many patients. As of Tuesday, it had treated just 179 people. "It did give us comfort, but we don't need it anymore, so if they need to deploy that somewhere else, they should take it," Cuomo said Tuesday. Trump said that the ship would be leaving the city as soon as possible to prepare for its next posting. |
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« Reply #1147 on: April 23, 2020, 07:33:59 AM » |
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Dont know if you have seen this but its great. Dan set Bill straight on a few issues. Gives a real time line and who was responsible for what. Rep. Dan Crenshaw: Fortitude | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO) https://youtu.be/RTGBJMDcrasMaher makes a living by adding cynical "humor" to the main stream medias and democrats talking point half-truths and outright lies. If you're going to interview an opposition congress person, shouldn't you research what the person's been doing and saying elsewhere over the days and months you're referring to? Nope, just stick to the false narratives from the same folks who lied about Russian collusion for 3 years. |
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« Reply #1148 on: April 23, 2020, 07:43:07 AM » |
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Dont know if you have seen this but its great. Dan set Bill straight on a few issues. Gives a real time line and who was responsible for what. Rep. Dan Crenshaw: Fortitude | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO) https://youtu.be/RTGBJMDcrasMaher makes a living by adding cynical "humor" to the main stream medias and democrats talking point half-truths and outright lies. If you're going to interview an opposition congress person, shouldn't you research what the person's been doing and saying elsewhere over the days and months you're referring to? Nope, just stick to the false narratives from the same folks who lied about Russian collusion for 3 years. Well said G. |
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« Reply #1150 on: April 23, 2020, 08:11:10 AM » |
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« Reply #1151 on: April 23, 2020, 09:04:23 AM » |
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Trump saying safety is no. 1 which I agree, but look at the stats on unemployment being 1 out of every 5 people: https://www.channel3000.com/26-million-have-sought-us-jobless-aid-since-virus-hit/sooner rather than later Trump has to get on board with sending people back to work for 20% unemployment is horrible and will be getting worse come May if this Chinese cooties pandemica keeps up much longer. Trump does not work a daily job that needs to get done in order for companies to survive. Not sure that last sentence is worded correctly but as most know big chiefs in charge do NOT do the daily workload in order for companies to survive. |
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« Reply #1152 on: April 23, 2020, 09:12:40 AM » |
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Trump does not work a daily job that needs to get done in order for companies to survive.
I beg to differ. Trump wants the nation back to work in a big way. He realizes if reopening our society and economy isn't done safely, we're back to strict mitigation again. Nothing wrong with wanting to do things right. |
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« Reply #1154 on: April 23, 2020, 09:43:16 AM » |
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High Fish intake Icelandic diet usually leads to high Vitamin D levels. https://reason.com/2020/04/17/covid-19-lethality-not-much-different-than-flu-says-new-study/Between 48,000 and 81,000 residents of Santa Clara County, California are likely to have already been infected by the coronavirus that causes COVID-19, suggests a new study by researchers associated with Stanford University Medical School. The researchers tested a sample of 3,330 residents of the county using blood tests to detect antibodies to determine whether or not they had been exposed to the coronavirus. If the researchers' calculations are correct, that's really good news. Why? Because that data will help public health officials to get a better handle on just how lethal the coronavirus is, and if researchers are right it's a lot less lethal than many have feared it to be. Currently, the U.S. case fatality rate, that is, the percent of people with confirmed diagnoses of COVID-19 who die, is running at 5.2 percent. But epidemiologists have known that a significant proportion of people who are infected are going undetected by the medical system because either they don't feel sick enough to seek help or are asymptomatic. For example, recent research in Iceland suggests that about 50 percent of people infected with the virus have no symptoms. |
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The death rate in New York State isn’t 7.4%, it is actually .75%. The recently ended influenza season numbers from the CDC indicate possibly 56,000,000 cases of flu, 740,000 hospitalizations, and 62,000 deaths. Under the current count from the Johns Hopkins Dashboard in this five month stretch CoVid19 has racked up 845,959 confirmed cases, 122,000 hospitalizations and 46,972 deaths.
Cuomo announced that antibody testing in New York state, which only began four days previous, was already demonstrating that at minimum 13.9% of New Yorkers, had COVID-19 late stage antibodies.
The implication of this is a shockwave to the system.
With a population of 19,540,500 the findings point out that over 2,500,000 New Yorkers had the virus and have recovered. Keep in mind that as of this writing that only 263,000 New Yorkers have currently confirmed cases. Also as of this writing New York has reported 19,543 fatalities.
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US expert on coronavirus pandemic: We’re only in second innings of a nine-innings contesthttps://www.thenews.com.pk/print/649137-us-expert-on-coronavirus-pandemic-we-re-only-in-second-innings-of-a-nine-innings-contestFrom the interview: There are 320 million people in the United States. If half of them get infected in the next 6 to 18 months, that's 160 million people. The 50% rate of infection over the course of the pandemic is at the low end of my colleagues' consensus on what we can expect to see given the infectiousness of this virus. Based on what we know from Asia, from the European Union and from the United States, about 80% of these cases will have asymptomatic, mild or moderate illness but won't need professional medical care. About 20% of infected people will seek medical care. That's 32 million people. Of those, about half will be hospitalized. That's 16 million people. Of those who are hospitalized, about half will actually require some form of critical care. That's 8 million people. About 0.5 to 1% of the total number of 160 million infected people will die. So you have the possibility of at least 800,000 deaths in the US over the next 18 months. This is the number of deaths I'm expecting. If you don't like the numbers I just used, go ahead and change them however you want. Just provide your justification. We have a long way to go with this pandemic. We just need to make people understand that this is going to be bad until we get a safe, effective and widely available vaccine. It's a sad commentary about our state of affairs that the number of people who die from Covid-19 in the US ranks as one of the top daily causes of death -- on some days it's been ranked higher than heart disease, cancer and accidents. Six weeks ago, it wasn't even in the top 60 causes of deaths. What I'm trying to get people to understand is that a model is just a model, and we're putting way too much weight on its ability to estimate with precision where this pandemic is going. What we need is a general sense: Is this a Category 2, a Category 5, or a brand new category called a Category 8? We can't stop living life. We have to move forward. But we must do so while thinking about how to get people back into society in a way that is thoughtful and takes into account every possible option to make sure people don't get seriously ill and don't subsequently die.
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First and foremost, if you place you faith in a vaccine to allow you to return to a normal life you are in for a big surprise. The information below has been taken from the CDC website shown below. While this page was “last reviewed” in January 2016, the information is still relative today. The key word is “relative” We do not know enough about how a vaccine for Corona-19 will work. Also we don’t know if the virus will mutate as it interacts with humans. If it mutates, the vaccine that is developed will be less effective. And, if a vaccine is the cure all end all for the Corona-19 virus why did we have such a large flu outbreak in 2017-2018 time frame??? During that time frame the effectiveness of the flu vaccine was estimated to be 30%. https://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccines-work/effectivenessqa.htmIn summary, a vaccine, if and when it becomes available, will not be anywhere near 100% effective. In fact it will be far less than 100% effective. If you look at the information on those that need hospitalization or even doctors care if they happen to contract the Corona-19 virus, fully 80% do not need doctors care. We do not have a way, at this time, to determine who has been affected by the Corona-19 virus. And, if truth be told, we will never know. Testing all citizens is not feasible. So, the number of cases exposed to the Corona-19 virus is many more then published or known. Current data shows that 1 in 5 people in New York City have been infected by the virus, and that number is suspect. It could be 1 in 2 but its at least 1 in 5. If you wish to continue to live in a locked down, stay at home posture, that is your call. You are free to make any decisions about your life that you wish. And if you wish to suggest that my decisions affect you, then I suggest you need to consider any and all decisions you make that are not related to a “virus” that affect me. Some excerpts from the CDC webpage. “Among older adults, annual influenza vaccination was recommended based on the high burden of influenza-related disease and demonstrated vaccine efficacy among younger adults. One RCT of adults aged 60 years and older relied on serology for confirmation of influenza and reported a vaccine efficacy of 58% (95% confidence interval (CI): 26-77)[2]. However, it is unknown if infections were missed by serology among the study participants that were vaccinated (and if the vaccine efficacy estimate is biased upwards – see previous description of how bias can occur in VE studies that test for influenza using serology). A meta-analysis of observational studies that used the test-negative design provided VE estimates for adults aged >60 years against RT-PCR confirmed influenza infection. This meta-analysis reported significant vaccine effectiveness of 52% (95% CI: 41-61) during seasons when the vaccine and circulating viruses were well-matched [3]. During seasons when the circulating viruses were antigenically drifted (not well matched), reported VE was 36% (95% CI: 22-48)3.” “Several RCTs have been done in healthy adults aged <65 years[7,8,9,10,11,12]. These studies have reported vaccine efficacy estimates ranging from 16%-75%; VE of 16% was reported during a season with few influenza infections. An RCT in South Africa among HIV infected adults reported vaccine efficacy of 76% (95 CI 9-96).[13] A meta-analysis that included data from RCTs of licensed inactivated influenza vaccines reported a pooled vaccine effectiveness of 59% (95% CI 51-67) against influenza confirmed by RT-PCR or viral culture[14]. In addition, RCTs of cell-based inactivated influenza vaccines (IIVs) and recombinant trivalent HA protein vaccines have been performed among healthy adults. In general, efficacy estimates for these types of vaccines are similar to other inactivated influenza vaccines that are egg-based[15,16,17].” |
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I included the scientist's last statement from the interview above, as I do think it it's important -- as is the entire interview. Yes, he says we could he "is expecting" we will lose 800,000 in the US over the next 6-18 months...
He also says this:
We can't stop living life. We have to move forward. But we must do so while thinking about how to get people back into society in a way that is thoughtful and takes into account every possible option to make sure people don't get seriously ill and don't subsequently die.
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