Mail In Voting, 2020?

[MAD6Gun]

 I drive for Uber on the weekends. Last night I had a rider I picked up at the downtown Post office at midnight. I asked why was she working so late. She told me they sort the mail for the next day. Hmm. Didn't know. Then she proceeded to tell me there is no overtime because the knucklehead in charge won't fund them. She  said she was referring to Trump and the post master. I really really really was tempted to say "we'll your union is backing Biden. If I was Trump I wouldn't fund you either." I wanted to but I didnt. I did tell  her I voted for him. She was quite after that. Oh well.


 Before you jump on me Rob. Got any proof of that? And if Trump is holding funds for political gain,so what. Obama sicked the IRS on multiple conservative organizations but let me guess you didn't have a problem with that?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Freedom takes effort and responsibility. By everyone. Even those who are "at risk" or disabled. These folks and others who qualify for other reasons have access to voting via absentee ballots.

Mail in voting is crazy insane.

Absentee voting has an individual requesting a ballot. They prove their identity, address, and eligibility. They get a ballot. They fill it out and send it back.
The State's election folks know where that ballot is, who has it and they know the total ballots out there.



In a mail in vote the State sends out ballots to all registered voter's addresses.
No one can know if they are getting sent to dead people, people who have moved (who now may be listed numerous times at different addresses), moved out of state, or have otherwise become ineligible to vote.

Talk about the lack of integrity.

Let's keep the numbers easy here...

A state sends out 10 million mail in ballots to all registered voters in the State.
The deadline for receiving them arrives and only 60% are received.

The race on election day is close. Within 2 million votes. But you have 4 million ballots not accounted for and have no idea where they are. Should they have been valid? Do you track down the registered voter who's ballot you can't find?

Think of the issues Florida had with "hanging Chads".

Voting is not only a right for citizens but an HONOR.  

The INTEGRITY of the process must be cherished and protected.

Mail in voting just casts the integrity of an election to the wind.

Do you realize that absentee votes go thru the mail ? Maybe you could request that Trump quits his attempts at hindering the Postal Service. I'm sure he would listen to his supporters.

[Rams]

Freedom takes effort and responsibility. By everyone. Even those who are "at risk" or disabled. These folks and others who qualify for other reasons have access to voting via absentee ballots.

After considerable thought, I fully agree with this.
As much as I despise going to most retail stores (especially Walmart), I see folks there standing in line waiting on all the things they want (didn't say need).   For some products, they have to show an ID.   I see no reason we can't all exercise our right to vote using the process already in place.  

If, a person has sufficient reasons to request an Absentee Ballot, then go for it.  
Regardless of USPS issues, I see no reason to add millions of dollars to replace something already in place that is proven to work.   In other words, if it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Rams

[f6john]

Imagine, mail in voting becomes the rage and Trump wins. Democrats defund USPS the next day and accuse them of being partisan by delivering more votes for Trump than Biden AND is racist against Harris. Demand e-mail recount.

Imagine, a President that doesn't try to hobble the Post Office in order to get reelected. 

Who was the last President to champion the Post Office? Why is absentee voting not sufficient? Financial and travel concerns getting to the polls shouldn’t be a problem. All you have to do is spend some time At Walmart to see the lowest of income level people finding a way to get there.

There are plenty of at risk people of all ages, ethnicity, political affiliation, etc. that would have to choose the risk in order to vote. Not to mention people who are caring for the vulnerable.

My mother, a life long Democrat, who will be 92 by Election Day, will walk through fire and brimstone to vote for Trump. She has a fully functioning bullshit meter and she can see thru Joe and Kampala and all the other minions lining up behind them, so sorry you can’t.

[Rams]

She has a fully functioning bullshit meter and she can see thru Joe and Kampala and all the other minions lining up behind them, so sorry you can’t.

John,
Please ask her if I can borrow her BS Meter.  Mine broke watching Biden and Harris this week. 

Rams

[Jersey mike]

Freedom takes effort and responsibility. By everyone. Even those who are "at risk" or disabled. These folks and others who qualify for other reasons have access to voting via absentee ballots.

Mail in voting is crazy insane.

Absentee voting has an individual requesting a ballot. They prove their identity, address, and eligibility. They get a ballot. They fill it out and send it back.
The State's election folks know where that ballot is, who has it and they know the total ballots out there.



In a mail in vote the State sends out ballots to all registered voter's addresses.
No one can know if they are getting sent to dead people, people who have moved (who now may be listed numerous times at different addresses), moved out of state, or have otherwise become ineligible to vote.

Talk about the lack of integrity.

Let's keep the numbers easy here...

A state sends out 10 million mail in ballots to all registered voters in the State.
The deadline for receiving them arrives and only 60% are received.

The race on election day is close. Within 2 million votes. But you have 4 million ballots not accounted for and have no idea where they are. Should they have been valid? Do you track down the registered voter who's ballot you can't find?

Think of the issues Florida had with "hanging Chads".

Voting is not only a right for citizens but an HONOR.  

The INTEGRITY of the process must be cherished and protected.

Mail in voting just casts the integrity of an election to the wind.

Well stated 

[Serk]

As usual our friends on the left are trying to blur the definition of a term....

"Mail in voting"

Absentee voting, where those who have a legitimate need to vote remotely, prove their identify and actively request a mail in ballot? Sure, no problem...

Current left wing definition, however, where they just blindly mail out millions of ballots to every single person, ripe for the corrupt Democrats to harvest the ballots and mail 'em in for their corrupt candidates?

HELL NO.

[Jess from VA]

If people are physically or mentally compromised from voting at polling places they should apply in advance for absentee ballots in accord with regular practice.  If you won't register to vote and go to a polling place or won't apply for an absentee ballot (proving your bona fides with ID in any event), you don't want to vote.

This idea of mass mailing of millions of ballots to everyone is lunacy and (over)ripe for fraud and abuse and postal error(s).  And all the various intentional and inadvertent problems arising from mass mailed ballots cannot (ever) be fixed after the fact. 

[The emperor has no clothes]

As usual our friends on the left are trying to blur the definition of a term....

"Mail in voting"

Absentee voting, where those who have a legitimate need to vote remotely, prove their identify and actively request a mail in ballot? Sure, no problem...

Current left wing definition, however, where they just blindly mail out millions of ballots to every single person, ripe for the corrupt Democrats to harvest the ballots and mail 'em in for their corrupt candidates?

HELL NO.

As I understand it, no state "blindly" mails out ballots to everyone. Ballots are mailed to registered voters. It's been done for many years now in some states with no issue. Only now it seems an issue when polling shows seventy some percent of mail in voters expect to vote against Trump. Now it's an issue. 

[Serk]

As usual our friends on the left are trying to blur the definition of a term....

"Mail in voting"

Absentee voting, where those who have a legitimate need to vote remotely, prove their identify and actively request a mail in ballot? Sure, no problem...

Current left wing definition, however, where they just blindly mail out millions of ballots to every single person, ripe for the corrupt Democrats to harvest the ballots and mail 'em in for their corrupt candidates?

HELL NO.

As I understand it, no state "blindly" mails out ballots to everyone. Ballots are mailed to registered voters. It's been done for many years now in some states with no issue. Only now it seems an issue when polling shows seventy some percent of mail in voters expect to vote against Trump. Now it's an issue. 

‘Everybody gets a ballot.’

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/08/everybody-gets-a-ballot-murphy-says-nj-to-have-mostly-mail-in-voting-in-november-election-because-of-covid-19.html

No.

Those who have a legit need for an absentee ballot, meet the requirements and ACTIVELY REACH OUT to get one? Sure....

"Everyone gets a ballot" is just an invitation for fraud...

 

[The emperor has no clothes]

As usual our friends on the left are trying to blur the definition of a term....

"Mail in voting"

Absentee voting, where those who have a legitimate need to vote remotely, prove their identify and actively request a mail in ballot? Sure, no problem...

Current left wing definition, however, where they just blindly mail out millions of ballots to every single person, ripe for the corrupt Democrats to harvest the ballots and mail 'em in for their corrupt candidates?

HELL NO.

As I understand it, no state "blindly" mails out ballots to everyone. Ballots are mailed to registered voters. It's been done for many years now in some states with no issue. Only now it seems an issue when polling shows seventy some percent of mail in voters expect to vote against Trump. Now it's an issue. 

‘Everybody gets a ballot.’

https://www.nj.com/coronavirus/2020/08/everybody-gets-a-ballot-murphy-says-nj-to-have-mostly-mail-in-voting-in-november-election-because-of-covid-19.html

No.

Those who have a legit need for an absentee ballot, meet the requirements and ACTIVELY REACH OUT to get one? Sure....

"Everyone gets a ballot" is just an invitation for fraud...

 

So, your issue is not with registered voters being sent and recieved one thru the mail, but that only ones who request them should get them ? And this is the reason Trump is trying to hobble the Postal System ?

[Serk]

And this is the reason Trump is trying to hobble the Postal System ?

You really believe this is happening?

[The emperor has no clothes]

And this is the reason Trump is trying to hobble the Postal System ?

You really believe this is happening?

And your explanation for what he has been doing with the Postal Service ?

[Jess from VA]

Deflection. 

[Rams]

I'm curious as to what President Trump is doing to the Postal System?
Please be specific.

Rams

[Jersey mike]

As usual our friends on the left are trying to blur the definition of a term....

"Mail in voting"

Absentee voting, where those who have a legitimate need to vote remotely, prove their identify and actively request a mail in ballot? Sure, no problem...

Current left wing definition, however, where they just blindly mail out millions of ballots to every single person, ripe for the corrupt Democrats to harvest the ballots and mail 'em in for their corrupt candidates?

HELL NO.

As I understand it, no state "blindly" mails out ballots to everyone. Ballots are mailed to registered voters. It's been done for many years now in some states with no issue. Only now it seems an issue when polling shows seventy some percent of mail in voters expect to vote against Trump. Now it's an issue. 

Question and not being a wise guy here;

what happens to the ballots mailed to those who have recently died and have not been removed from the voting records? N.J. has had appx 15,000 die from COVID-19, most were older, most were probably registered voters. What happens when those ballots hit those mailboxes? Do we depend on the implied honesty of those families or do we just accept there may be some who fill it out knowing “mom or dad would have voted this way or that way”?

I know my father-in-law’s ballot will be coming here but for the last year he’s been living in a memory care facility because of Alzheimer’s. Should my wife bring him the ballot and tell him how to fill it out? The man has no clue what’s happening on a daily basis and can barely write or sign his name.

Across the country over 150k have died, the majority were probably registered voters. What happens to those ballots. Granted it’s not a great number spread out as voting goes but it’s the principle of the issue at hand.

Trusting the government(s) across the country at every level to pull this off, to get an absolute unbiased correct tabulation of verified votes and accurately submit those numbers up the chain is frightening. How many checks and balances will be necessary, how many will get passed over or buried by a biased or unscrupulous counter. In 2016 the voter turnout in N.J. was 3,874,046.

If these ballots were to be filled out and tabulated in the way standardized test were graded I’d have a better opinion for the mail in system.

I trust in the election process, it’s the people involved I have little faith in.

BTW, my father-in-law’s ballot will not be filled out. But we will probably keep it for posterity. This will most certainly be an election to be remembered.

[f6john]

I'm curious as to what President Trump is doing to the Postal System?
Please be specific.

Rams

I have wondered the same thing, I figured Rob would have a power point presentation ready by now.

As usual our friends on the left are trying to blur the definition of a term....

"Mail in voting"

Absentee voting, where those who have a legitimate need to vote remotely, prove their identify and actively request a mail in ballot? Sure, no problem...

Current left wing definition, however, where they just blindly mail out millions of ballots to every single person, ripe for the corrupt Democrats to harvest the ballots and mail 'em in for their corrupt candidates?

HELL NO.

As I understand it, no state "blindly" mails out ballots to everyone. Ballots are mailed to registered voters. It's been done for many years now in some states with no issue. Only now it seems an issue when polling shows seventy some percent of mail in voters expect to vote against Trump. Now it's an issue. 

The states, seven I believe, that have “done it for years” have procedures in place to protect the integrity of the election results. When a state government decides a few months before a national election to start printing and distributing millions of ballots you can be sure that the process has not been thought through. I have been a registered voter for about 50 years and my name and address is listed on the voter registration roll. When I go to the polls to vote, I have to bring my I’d (drivers license) to the polls and show it to the poll official who then finds my name in the roll book and I sign my signature next to my name before I cast my ballot.

I respect the absentee ballot system as it has a checks and balances system that protects the integrity of the system. I’m not hearing anything about how we are protecting against fraud in this mass mailing of ballots, it a recipe for disaster in the coming election which is what the Democrats are shooting for which has the potential to blow up in all our faces, yours included.

[RP#62]

The concern I have is that the vote counting goes on for weeks with batches of ballots suddenly being discovered until there's enough to push Biden over the top (ala Franken).   It could go the other way as well.  The mail-in ballots will introduce enough uncertainty that whichever side loses will have no faith in the integrity of the system.

-RP

[The emperor has no clothes]

The concern I have is that the vote counting goes on for weeks with batches of ballots suddenly being discovered until there's enough to push Biden over the top (ala Franken).   It could go the other way as well.  The mail-in ballots will introduce enough uncertainty that whichever side loses will have no faith in the integrity of the system.

-RP

All the more reason to bolster the Postal Service versus hobble it.

[Serk]

The concern I have is that the vote counting goes on for weeks with batches of ballots suddenly being discovered until there's enough to push Biden over the top (ala Franken).   It could go the other way as well.  The mail-in ballots will introduce enough uncertainty that whichever side loses will have no faith in the integrity of the system.

-RP

All the more reason to bolster the Postal Service versus hobble it.

Good thing President Trump isn't hobbling the USPS.

https://www.facebook.com/memepoliceman/photos/a.1509554889338469/2406815529612396/?type=3&theater

[The emperor has no clothes]

The concern I have is that the vote counting goes on for weeks with batches of ballots suddenly being discovered until there's enough to push Biden over the top (ala Franken).   It could go the other way as well.  The mail-in ballots will introduce enough uncertainty that whichever side loses will have no faith in the integrity of the system.

-RP

All the more reason to bolster the Postal Service versus hobble it.

Good thing President Trump isn't hobbling the USPS.

https://www.facebook.com/memepoliceman/photos/a.1509554889338469/2406815529612396/?type=3&theater

yeah, according to Willow, he doesn't lie either. 

[RP#62]

The health of the USPS has nothing to do with it.  You're introducing a middleman between the voter and the ballot that could allow ballot tampering (selectively lost or selectively found ballots by workers and others that have their own agenda).

-RP

[Serk]

The health of the USPS has nothing to do with it.  You're introducing a middleman between the voter and the ballot that could allow ballot tampering (selectively lost or selectively found ballots by workers and others that have their own agenda).

-RP

And since the USPS union has endorsed Biden, this becomes a conflict of interest situation... (Since we know unions NEVER do anything illegal, illicit, immoral or untoward...)

They could quite easily "lose" ballots from conservative areas while expediting ballots from left leaning areas.

[f6john]

The concern I have is that the vote counting goes on for weeks with batches of ballots suddenly being discovered until there's enough to push Biden over the top (ala Franken).   It could go the other way as well.  The mail-in ballots will introduce enough uncertainty that whichever side loses will have no faith in the integrity of the system.

-RP

All the more reason to bolster the Postal Service versus hobble it.

All the more reason to limit mail in voting to absentee balloting guidelines.

[Rams]

The concern I have is that the vote counting goes on for weeks with batches of ballots suddenly being discovered until there's enough to push Biden over the top (ala Franken).   It could go the other way as well.  The mail-in ballots will introduce enough uncertainty that whichever side loses will have no faith in the integrity of the system.

-RP

All the more reason to bolster the Postal Service versus hobble it.

Again, I’ll ask what President Trump is doing to “hobble” the Postal System?
You and other liberals make this claim but, I and others are not seeing it.  Feel free to enlighten us.

Rams

[The emperor has no clothes]

The concern I have is that the vote counting goes on for weeks with batches of ballots suddenly being discovered until there's enough to push Biden over the top (ala Franken).   It could go the other way as well.  The mail-in ballots will introduce enough uncertainty that whichever side loses will have no faith in the integrity of the system.

-RP

All the more reason to bolster the Postal Service versus hobble it.

Again, I’ll ask what President Trump is doing to “hobble” the Postal System?
You and other liberals make this claim but, I and others are not seeing it.  Feel free to enlighten us.

Rams

I know you are not. I'm not sure there is anything will help you see it.

[Patrick]

The concern I have is that the vote counting goes on for weeks with batches of ballots suddenly being discovered until there's enough to push Biden over the top (ala Franken).   It could go the other way as well.  The mail-in ballots will introduce enough uncertainty that whichever side loses will have no faith in the integrity of the system.

-RP

All the more reason to bolster the Postal Service versus hobble it.

Again, I’ll ask what President Trump is doing to “hobble” the Postal System?
You and other liberals make this claim but, I and others are not seeing it.  Feel free to enlighten us.

Rams

I know you are not. I'm not sure there is anything will help you see it.

Again, no reasonable answer.

[Rams]

The concern I have is that the vote counting goes on for weeks with batches of ballots suddenly being discovered until there's enough to push Biden over the top (ala Franken).   It could go the other way as well.  The mail-in ballots will introduce enough uncertainty that whichever side loses will have no faith in the integrity of the system.

-RP

All the more reason to bolster the Postal Service versus hobble it.

Again, I’ll ask what President Trump is doing to “hobble” the Postal System?
You and other liberals make this claim but, I and others are not seeing it.  Feel free to enlighten us.

Rams

I know you are not. I'm not sure there is anything will help you see it.

Your lack of confidence in my ability is "heart warming" to say the least but, if you can't spell out what the President is doing, that leaves your accusation in a damn weak situation.   I'm not going to suggest that most on the left aren't saying similar things but, no one seems to be able to show what the "hobbling" consists of.

Rams

[Moonshot_1]

The reality is that it isn't the Postal Service that should be the center of this debate. It is the politicians and a particular political party scamming the system.

They are sending ballots out, not to people, but addresses. The lack of integrity is astounding.

You wouldn't be this careless with your computer. You have anti virus protection, malware protection, encryption, spam filters, etc. to protect you from the scammers and crooks.

But somehow, mail in voting is immune to those same dynamics? We just send ballots out to anyone who has ever registered, whether they want them or not, whether they are dead or not, (5 trillion votes from Chicago alone right there), moved to another address, moved out of State, or out of the Country.

Shoot, maybe I can get $500 for my ballot. I might not have wanted it anyway.

No security, no integrity. What happens to the unreturned ballots? What happens when you get a race down to a 300 vote difference with 3 million mail in ballots still outstanding?

That ain't going to end well. Somehow it'll be racist, sexist, bigoted, and just plain mean I'm sure.

[Jersey mike]

I was curious as to the counting process for mail in votes. Below is a news article regarding the process from just the primary.

This article centers around just one county and their experience. Bergen county is a large population of about 932,000.

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/new-jersey/2020/07/17/how-every-mail-ballot-nj-gets-counted-board-elections/5436299002/

Counting process

The counting process, while not difficult, is incredibly time-consuming, Sheehan-Willis said. The ballots are removed from the mailed-in envelope by the Board of Election commissioners and staff. They are the ones that confirm the ballots are legitimate.


Each ballot has a bar code and once out of the envelope, those are scanned to ensure that all of the information matches up with the state database including the signature.

If the ballot is rejected because of the signature, a court ruling last month determined that the county Board of Elections has to send a "cure letter" to a voter within 24 hours. The letter instructs the voter on how to attest a signature is valid, either in person, by phone, or email. County elections boards are to accept the letters through July 23.

This is also how ballots are tracked,  because if the ballot has been scanned before, the board will be alerted.

After that, all of the identifying information is removed so that the ballots can be sorted and set to be counted. This process is done by poll workers. Typically, these poll workers would be paired up, one Democrat with one Republican, but because of the limitations presented by COVID-19, they sat separately to ensure social distancing.

They make sure that the bubbles are filled in properly and that the ballots are in good shape (no tears or water damage) to be run through the tallying machine. If a ballot is damaged, a duplicate is made after a supervisor has assessed the ballot.


There were polling locations open as well but those votes were considered provisional so they need to be accounted for as well. The process is similar but in order to keep track of the votes, every ballot must be copied before being sent to the Board of Elections to be tallied.

There were about 20,000 provisional ballots cast for the primary, which is more than Superintendent of Elections Patricia DiCostanza has seen in her 32 years with the county.

“The fact that 20,000 people chose to go to the polls shows us two things,” she said. “It shows us one, that they didn’t trust the mail or two they heard about the fraud that was going on in places like Paterson so they got nervous.”

DiCostanza said it took nine people two days to copy all of the provisional ballots before they could be sent over for counting. Votes must be certified by July 24 and they expect to meet that deadline in Bergen County.

While they understand the safety concerns, both DiCostanza and Sheehan-Willis don’t see how a general election could be held this way.

“It’ll just be too much. They won’t get their tallies till Christmas,” DiCostanza said. “The Legislature and the governor should be asking the people who do this every day. There’s a process and it’s big. We had to put our normal work aside for this.”

[Moonshot_1]

The concern I have is that the vote counting goes on for weeks with batches of ballots suddenly being discovered until there's enough to push Biden over the top (ala Franken).   It could go the other way as well.  The mail-in ballots will introduce enough uncertainty that whichever side loses will have no faith in the integrity of the system.

-RP

All the more reason to bolster the Postal Service versus hobble it.

Again, I’ll ask what President Trump is doing to “hobble” the Postal System?
You and other liberals make this claim but, I and others are not seeing it.  Feel free to enlighten us.

Rams

I know you are not. I'm not sure there is anything will help you see it.

Your lack of confidence in my ability is "heart warming" to say the least but, if you can't spell out what the President is doing, that leaves your accusation in a damn weak situation.   I'm not going to suggest that most on the left aren't saying similar things but, no one seems to be able to show what the "hobbling" consists of.

Rams

Don't be so blind! The hobbling is the same as Russian meddling. It is a clearly defined thing of some sort. Well, maybe it is clearly defined kind of sort of, and you know it is. If there were evidence it would be obvious. That is not even debatable. Literally can't debate it.

Clearly the Russians are after our Postal Service and Trump is trying to make a deal.  

[Rams]

I honestly don't believe most democrats are silly enough to not understand why an mass mail in vote for this election is inappropriate, un-necessary and un-manageable.   We're just not set up for something like this to ensure a true reflection or Vote of the People.

It's all about the Dems trying to make DJT look bad.   Convince me otherwise.

Rams

[Jersey mike]

Here’s another link about it.

https://nj1015.com/1-in-10-nj-ballots-rejected-vote-by-mail-a-serious-challenge/

[f6gal]

And this is the reason Trump is trying to hobble the Postal System ?

I ask this in all sincerity, it's not a gotcha question.  What has Trump being doing to hobble the USPS?  

If you're talking about funding, that's the job of Congress.  As far as I know, Congress has not passed a bill with increased funding for USPS.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I honestly don't believe most democrats are silly enough to not understand why an mass mail in vote for this election is inappropriate, un-necessary and un-manageable.   We're just not set up for something like this to ensure a true reflection or Vote of the People.

It's all about the Dems trying to make DJT look bad.   Convince me otherwise.

Rams

Let me see if I understand your objections. You are ok with a mail in system if the voter requests the ballot. But you are against the registered voter being sent one without request. The reason for your objection is that you feel they will be stolen or given to people who are not supposed to vote. That you feel these people will forge the signatures of registered voters and vote for Biden.

Do I understand your objections correctly ?

[Rams]

I honestly don't believe most democrats are silly enough to not understand why an mass mail in vote for this election is inappropriate, un-necessary and un-manageable.   We're just not set up for something like this to ensure a true reflection or Vote of the People.

It's all about the Dems trying to make DJT look bad.   Convince me otherwise.

Rams

Let me see if I understand your objections. You are ok with a mail in system if the voter requests the ballot. But you are against the registered voter being sent one without request. The reason for your objection is that you feel they will be stolen or given to people who are not supposed to vote. That you feel these people will forge the signatures of registered voters and vote for Biden.

Do I understand your objections correctly ?

Answering a question with a question...………..
How about answering my and a few other folks question as asked.   What has the President done to "hobble" the USPS?  That is what you claim...……..

Rams

[The emperor has no clothes]

And this is the reason Trump is trying to hobble the Postal System ?

I ask this in all sincerity, it's not a gotcha question.  What has Trump being doing to hobble the USPS?  

If you're talking about funding, that's the job of Congress.  As far as I know, Congress has not passed a bill with increased funding for USPS.

Connie, it's not just the funding. Although he did admit that he didn't want them to get it in order to stop mail voting. The hobbling started some time back and continues. In a time that we are in with Covid, the Postal System plays a vital role in our society. The Trump administration thru its appointed Board and Postmaster General have intentionally curtailed overtime and created rules that slow down the system. In my book that defined as hobbling. As far as Congress not passing a bill, the Senate leader has thrown up his hands and delegated all negotiations to the Trump admin. It's in their court.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I honestly don't believe most democrats are silly enough to not understand why an mass mail in vote for this election is inappropriate, un-necessary and un-manageable.   We're just not set up for something like this to ensure a true reflection or Vote of the People.

It's all about the Dems trying to make DJT look bad.   Convince me otherwise.

Rams

Let me see if I understand your objections. You are ok with a mail in system if the voter requests the ballot. But you are against the registered voter being sent one without request. The reason for your objection is that you feel they will be stolen or given to people who are not supposed to vote. That you feel these people will forge the signatures of registered voters and vote for Biden.

Do I understand your objections correctly ?

Answering a question with a question...………..
How about answering my and a few other folks question as asked.   What has the President done to "hobble" the USPS?  That is what you claim...……..

Rams

I see no question in your post.

[Jersey mike]

Here try to make heads or tails out of this. Is the USPS a private business or govt agency.

It seems they have the power of both.

After reading this I’m not sure what they are. I was always under the impression that the USPS is not a branch of the Fed, but were heavily protected by the Fed for obvious reasons, Mail fraud, tampering, theft and so on.

https://www.thoughtco.com/about-the-us-postal-service-3321146

[The emperor has no clothes]

Here try to make heads or tails out of this. Is the USPS a private business or govt agency.

It seems they have the power of both.

After reading this I’m not sure what they are. I was always under the impression that the USPS is not a branch of the Fed, but were heavily protected by the Fed for obvious reasons, Mail fraud, tampering, theft and so on.

https://www.thoughtco.com/about-the-us-postal-service-3321146

It's a government agency that was given some independence back in the 70's.