Mail In Voting, 2020?

[Rams]

The Democrats are demanding Mail In Ballots for the upcoming election.
Some states already are doing it.   I'm curious where the majority of our US Citizen members stand on this.  We're not talking about Absentee Voting ballots here.

The way I view it is, there is so much opportunity for fraudulent votes, I have a hard time supporting it.
I think I've come to an opinion on how to do it but, my way would put a heavy burden on the US Postal System.

For those who can and do plan to actually vote, please vote in the poll, post your opinion on mail in voting and how it could be done with integrity.   BTW, you get to vote in two voting categories in this poll.

Rams

[scooperhsd]

Oregon has been doing mailin voting for the last several elections. As long as any other states were done to the same or higher standards, AND COUNTING IS DONE OUT IN THE OPEN EVERYWHERE (i.e. not behind closed doors), it should be OK. They already use special paper and other considerations, just need to fund the USPS (and/or other delivery services) for the extra load.

[Rams]

Oregon has been doing mailin voting for the last several elections. As long as any other states were done to the same or higher standards, AND COUNTING IS DONE OUT IN THE OPEN EVERYWHERE (i.e. not behind closed doors), it should be OK. They already use special paper and other considerations, just need to fund the USPS (and/or other delivery services) for the extra load.

Can you enlighten me as to how the integrity/qualifications of the voter is verified?  Or is it?

Rams

[0leman]

Oregon has been doing mailin voting for the last several elections. As long as any other states were done to the same or higher standards, AND COUNTING IS DONE OUT IN THE OPEN EVERYWHERE (i.e. not behind closed doors), it should be OK. They already use special paper and other considerations, just need to fund the USPS (and/or other delivery services) for the extra load.

Sccooper, Oregon has been doing Mail voting for over 10 years or more  (been here for 10 years now).  Not problems have shown up. 

Again as I have stated before the ballot has to be in the mail X number of days before the election day.  If you can't/didn't get in the mail by that day, you can drop it off at several drop boxes (think old mail boxes) up until the close on the election day.   

I do like this system, as can sit and think a bit before I select a candidate or what ever is on the ballot.

[Chrisj CMA]

They may be able to monitor some mail in voting. However, if everyone is voting by mail you can rest assured very few will be scrutinized properly. I see it as a scam

[Robert]

Trump has it going on 

Democrats are furious with President Trump this week after he rejected demands to fund the United States Postal Service (USPS) ahead of the upcoming 2020 election.

    They [the Democrats] want three and a half-billion dollars for something that'll turn out to be fraudulent — that's election money basically. They want $25 billion for the post office," President Trump said.

    "Now, they need that money in order to have the post office work so it can take all of these millions and millions of ballots. Now, in the meantime, they aren't getting there. But if they don't get those two items, that means you can't have universal mail-in voting because they're not equipped to have it."

President Trump has been on a crusade, criticizing the fraud behind mail-in voting, calling it "rigged" and the "scandal of our times." Last month, he even suggested the presidential election should be delayed due to the virus pandemic and the prospect of mail-in voting.

Motherboard said the dismantling of sorting machines was widespread, and there was no clear answer behind their removal from processing facilities.

    Motherboard identified 19 mail sorting machines from five processing facilities across the U.S. that either have already been removed or are scheduled to be in the near future. But the Postal Service operates hundreds of distribution facilities around the country, so it is not clear precisely how many machines are getting

[scooperhsd]

Oregon has been doing mailin voting for the last several elections. As long as any other states were done to the same or higher standards, AND COUNTING IS DONE OUT IN THE OPEN EVERYWHERE (i.e. not behind closed doors), it should be OK. They already use special paper and other considerations, just need to fund the USPS (and/or other delivery services) for the extra load.

Sccooper, Oregon has been doing Mail voting for over 10 years or more  (been here for 10 years now).  Not problems have shown up. 

Again as I have stated before the ballot has to be in the mail X number of days before the election day.  If you can't/didn't get in the mail by that day, you can drop it off at several drop boxes (think old mail boxes) up until the close on the election day.   

I do like this system, as can sit and think a bit before I select a candidate or what ever is on the ballot.

I remember you stating this before, I just didn't know the particulars. Pretty impressive, actually.

[Patrick]

Where was it that received 117% more ballot returns than they had registered voters ?

Look at what has happened in Jersey and Virginia or any other area that has recently done this without thinking it thru like the states that have been doing it for years.

If they do it as absentee votes/ballots, then fine. But I think its too late now.

[MAD6Gun]

 Ultimately if you can go to Walmart,Lowe's or any restaurant and stand in line to buy something or eat you can go and stand in line at the polls. This is just another way for the dems to try and steal the election.  There have already been several people arrested for fraudulent mail in ballots. Including one here in Indiana. How many haven't we heard of?

 Just like voter IDs. Why is it such a big deal to require IDs to vote? You have show ID to buy booze,cigarettes,get a loan,use a credit card,rent a car,sign up for welfare ect...But in some states not to vote. Why is that? Some say it's racist. How is asking for ID racist?

 When I voted in the primary I went to the polling place (I could walk there). Walked in with a mask on. Got a food service type glove from a box. Signed my name,went to the machine,made my choices, pushed the voting button. On the way out I threw the glove away. Now why is that so hard to do everywhere?

[scooperhsd]

Not disagreeing with you.....

[Moonshot_1]

When it comes to voting I believe all registered, eligible, able-bodied citizens should be required to vote (should they desire to vote) at their local ward or precinct in person.

Non able-bodied citizens or those who would qualify for specific hardship exemption (military service) who are registered and eligible should have the opportunity to request an absentee ballot.

I don't have an issue with absentee ballots as they require the voter to request the ballot and the ballot is sent to that specific person upon their request.

Voting by mail is to have ballots basically shipped to addresses in the hopes that the registered voter is, still alive, still in residence, and won't simply give it to someone else. It also assumes that the process will be efficient.

I'm not saying that a mail in voting system can not work. It can. In theory and under ideal conditions and blow out races.

But in closely contested races, the system is prone to failure.

I see a complete lack of integrity and security with mail in voting.

[rainman]

i have only got this to say
IF YOU CAN GO TO WAL-MART, LOWS, OR ANY OF THE BIG RETAIL STORES AND BE SAFE YOU GO AND STAND IN LINE TO VOTE. 

[Jess from VA]

I'm with you Mike.

It could work (in theory), but it certainly could be used to cheat, and on a massive scale.

The fact so many D's are adamant in favor of it is suspicious as hell, so I'm adamant against it.

Right up there with giving illegals the vote (and all kinds of other stuff), and giving felons the right to vote automatically on completion of sentence (as opposed to upon application for restoration of voting privilege, which is what it should be).

Notice they are not automatically removing everyone from the sex offender registry just because they complete their sentences.  

[scooperhsd]

I think that the VOTER should have to request said mailin ballot, same as for an absentee ballot. That way - the voter only gets one ballot, and it can be checked that he DID request it AND is a registered voter.

[Rams]

I think that the VOTER should have to request said mailin ballot, same as for an absentee ballot. That way - the voter only gets one ballot, and it can be checked that he DID request it AND is a registered voter.

I can see that working to some extent but then, I wonder how much mail gets delivered to Chicago cemeteries.    

Rams  

[old2soon]

         Keep in mind the fed gubmint royally screwed up the stimulus check thingy. Do Anyone here even Think mail in voting gonna be better?  Yeah-me neither.  RIDE SAFE.

[Patrick]

         Keep in mind the fed gubmint royally screwed up the stimulus check thingy. Do Anyone here even Think mail in voting gonna be better?  Yeah-me neither.  RIDE SAFE.

 

[Jersey mike]

I went with the assumption this did not include absentee ballots.

[Patrick]

I went with the assumption this did not include absentee ballots.

It seems that some don't know or understand the difference between the two. It seems limited to a certain political flavor .

[Rams]

I went with the assumption this did not include absentee ballots.

It seems that some don't know or understand the difference between the two. It seems limited to a certain political flavor .

To clarify, I added another option to the poll, Absentee Ballots.
But, I didn't see anyone confused by the issue.  Maybe it's just me.   

Rams

[Patrick]

I went with the assumption this did not include absentee ballots.

It seems that some don't know or understand the difference between the two. It seems limited to a certain political flavor .

To clarify, I added another option to the poll, Absentee Ballots.
But, I didn't see anyone confused by the issue.  Maybe it's just me.   

Rams

OH, I wasn't referring to your poll.

[RP#62]

Saw that the postal union just endorsed Biden (understandably, Trump hasn't exactly been their friend).   Shouldn't affect mail in voting though (he said sarcastically).

-RP

[Patrick]

If the Postal Service gets the money they think they need I'm pretty sure they'll change their mind and say the ballots will all be delivered accurately and on time.

[Robert]

Post office says mail-in ballots were left on floor in Paterson buildings
Joe Malinconico
Paterson Press

https://www.northjersey.com/story/news/passaic/paterson/2020/08/14/paterson-nj-election-ballots-were-left-floor-post-office-says/5582951002/

Vote-by-mail ballots for Paterson’s municipal council elections in May were improperly delivered to numerous apartment buildings in the city, according to the findings of a United States Postal Service investigation.

[Moonshot_1]

Imagine, mail in voting becomes the rage and Trump wins. Democrats defund USPS the next day and accuse them of being partisan by delivering more votes for Trump than Biden AND is racist against Harris. Demand e-mail recount.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Imagine, mail in voting becomes the rage and Trump wins. Democrats defund USPS the next day and accuse them of being partisan by delivering more votes for Trump than Biden AND is racist against Harris. Demand e-mail recount.

Imagine, a President that doesn't try to hobble the Post Office in order to get reelected. 

[Jess from VA]

Mail-in voting story.

https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2020/08/15/michigan-rejects-846-mailed-ballots-voter-dead/

[f6john]

Imagine, mail in voting becomes the rage and Trump wins. Democrats defund USPS the next day and accuse them of being partisan by delivering more votes for Trump than Biden AND is racist against Harris. Demand e-mail recount.

Imagine, a President that doesn't try to hobble the Post Office in order to get reelected. 

Who was the last President to champion the Post Office? Why is absentee voting not sufficient? Financial and travel concerns getting to the polls shouldn’t be a problem. All you have to do is spend some time At Walmart to see the lowest of income level people finding a way to get there.

[Jersey mike]

Imagine, mail in voting becomes the rage and Trump wins. Democrats defund USPS the next day and accuse them of being partisan by delivering more votes for Trump than Biden AND is racist against Harris. Demand e-mail recount.

Imagine, a President that doesn't try to hobble the Post Office in order to get reelected.  

The USPS has been hobbled for decades, I’m surprised it has lasted this long. I equate the USPS to Sears.

Both were at the forefront of their fields but did not keep up or refused to transition for the modern world.

Sears was the original Amazon. Everything imaginable was available through Sears including houses all delivered to your home. Now they’re gone because they failed to advance themselves.

The USPS has not done a thing to increase their revenue. FEDEX, UPS and other delivery services flourish while the USPS doesn’t. If my neighbor is any indication to postal workers then they’re doomed. The USPS is suppose to remain revenue neutral according to laws that are decades old. Talk about antiquated.

[Robert]

Hillary, Obama the media and the DNC, did everything they could in the last election and lost, they never expected that. Now they know that they have an uphill battle and are showing no signs of caring for their constituents or anyone else so the gloves are off. Even down to destroying the US as we know it, something that was planned in the last election. Actually the stakes are winner take all in this one,  since if Trump stays in there is going to be jail time for many added to the loss of position and power.

[Bighead]

I would rather give citizens the opportunity to vote by mail than assume that enough will be dishonest to change an election.

That is BOLD have you seen what is going on in this country?

[Patrick]

Imagine, mail in voting becomes the rage and Trump wins. Democrats defund USPS the next day and accuse them of being partisan by delivering more votes for Trump than Biden AND is racist against Harris. Demand e-mail recount.

Imagine, a President that doesn't try to hobble the Post Office in order to get reelected. 

Who was the last President to champion the Post Office? Why is absentee voting not sufficient? Financial and travel concerns getting to the polls shouldn’t be a problem. All you have to do is spend some time At Walmart to see the lowest of income level people finding a way to get there.

There ya go !  All we have to do is move all the voting stations to the local Walmarts. Problem solved.


All the dems that try to claim certain folks are being kept from voting are full of it. If you can get out to get cigs, junk food and show proof to get their booze are well able to make it to a voting booth.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Imagine, mail in voting becomes the rage and Trump wins. Democrats defund USPS the next day and accuse them of being partisan by delivering more votes for Trump than Biden AND is racist against Harris. Demand e-mail recount.

Imagine, a President that doesn't try to hobble the Post Office in order to get reelected. 

Who was the last President to champion the Post Office? Why is absentee voting not sufficient? Financial and travel concerns getting to the polls shouldn’t be a problem. All you have to do is spend some time At Walmart to see the lowest of income level people finding a way to get there.

There are plenty of at risk people of all ages, ethnicity, political affiliation, etc. that would have to choose the risk in order to vote. Not to mention people who are caring for the vulnerable.

[Willow]

Imagine, mail in voting becomes the rage and Trump wins. Democrats defund USPS the next day and accuse them of being partisan by delivering more votes for Trump than Biden AND is racist against Harris. Demand e-mail recount.

Imagine, a President that doesn't try to hobble the Post Office in order to get reelected. 

Who was the last President to champion the Post Office? Why is absentee voting not sufficient? Financial and travel concerns getting to the polls shouldn’t be a problem. All you have to do is spend some time At Walmart to see the lowest of income level people finding a way to get there.

There are plenty of at risk people of all ages, ethnicity, political affiliation, etc. that would have to choose the risk in order to vote. Not to mention people who are caring for the vulnerable.

BS or more specifically bullshit.  I guess it largely depends upon your definition of plenty.

[Patrick]

Chose a risk in order to vote. BS !

If that happens to maybe be the case, apply for an absentee ballot. Problem solved.

Want to vote ? Good.
Become a citizen.
Register to do so.
Go the place of voting you are registered at.
Wear your mask.
Put on a pair of gloves that are freely offered.
Sign in.
Grab the ballot
Sit down and check the boxes.
Stick the ballot in the machine
Say Goodbye to everyone and leave.
Its faster than buying the cigs, beer, etc. and you just got a free mask and gloves.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Imagine, mail in voting becomes the rage and Trump wins. Democrats defund USPS the next day and accuse them of being partisan by delivering more votes for Trump than Biden AND is racist against Harris. Demand e-mail recount.

Imagine, a President that doesn't try to hobble the Post Office in order to get reelected. 

Who was the last President to champion the Post Office? Why is absentee voting not sufficient? Financial and travel concerns getting to the polls shouldn’t be a problem. All you have to do is spend some time At Walmart to see the lowest of income level people finding a way to get there.

There are plenty of at risk people of all ages, ethnicity, political affiliation, etc. that would have to choose the risk in order to vote. Not to mention people who are caring for the vulnerable.

BS or more specifically bullshit.  I guess it largely depends upon your definition of plenty.

How many would you like to deprive ?

[Willow]

Imagine, mail in voting becomes the rage and Trump wins. Democrats defund USPS the next day and accuse them of being partisan by delivering more votes for Trump than Biden AND is racist against Harris. Demand e-mail recount.

Imagine, a President that doesn't try to hobble the Post Office in order to get reelected. 

Who was the last President to champion the Post Office? Why is absentee voting not sufficient? Financial and travel concerns getting to the polls shouldn’t be a problem. All you have to do is spend some time At Walmart to see the lowest of income level people finding a way to get there.

There are plenty of at risk people of all ages, ethnicity, political affiliation, etc. that would have to choose the risk in order to vote. Not to mention people who are caring for the vulnerable.

BS or more specifically bullshit.  I guess it largely depends upon your definition of plenty.

How many would you like to deprive ?

All those who are stupid enough to avoid voting out of fear for COVID-19. 

In my county which is a high area for COVID-19 your chances of encountering anyone who has COVID-19 are 6 in a thousand (0.6%).  That assumes that everyone infected is out and about.  Since many or most of the infected individuals are either home bound or hospital bound the chances are more likely less than 3 in a thousand.  If that scares you enough to avoid voting I don't want you to vote.

My definition of plenty certainly doesn't include the number of people likely to encounter a risk at 0.3%.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Imagine, mail in voting becomes the rage and Trump wins. Democrats defund USPS the next day and accuse them of being partisan by delivering more votes for Trump than Biden AND is racist against Harris. Demand e-mail recount.

Imagine, a President that doesn't try to hobble the Post Office in order to get reelected. 

Who was the last President to champion the Post Office? Why is absentee voting not sufficient? Financial and travel concerns getting to the polls shouldn’t be a problem. All you have to do is spend some time At Walmart to see the lowest of income level people finding a way to get there.

There are plenty of at risk people of all ages, ethnicity, political affiliation, etc. that would have to choose the risk in order to vote. Not to mention people who are caring for the vulnerable.

BS or more specifically bullshit.  I guess it largely depends upon your definition of plenty.

How many would you like to deprive ?

All those who are stupid enough to avoid voting out of fear for COVID-19. 

In my county which is a high area for COVID-19 your chances of encountering anyone who has COVID-19 are 6 in a thousand (0.6%).  That assumes that everyone infected is out and about.  Since many or most of the infected individuals are either home bound or hospital bound the chances are more likely less than 3 in a thousand.  If that scares you enough to avoid voting I don't want you to vote.

My definition of plenty certainly doesn't include the number of people likely to encounter a risk at 0.3%.

Your definition doesn't mean squat. EVERY citizen of voting age should have the ability to vote. To put old people, compromised people in danger when not needed is nothing less than cruel.

[Willow]

Imagine, mail in voting becomes the rage and Trump wins. Democrats defund USPS the next day and accuse them of being partisan by delivering more votes for Trump than Biden AND is racist against Harris. Demand e-mail recount.

Imagine, a President that doesn't try to hobble the Post Office in order to get reelected.  

Who was the last President to champion the Post Office? Why is absentee voting not sufficient? Financial and travel concerns getting to the polls shouldn’t be a problem. All you have to do is spend some time At Walmart to see the lowest of income level people finding a way to get there.

There are plenty of at risk people of all ages, ethnicity, political affiliation, etc. that would have to choose the risk in order to vote. Not to mention people who are caring for the vulnerable.

BS or more specifically bullshit.  I guess it largely depends upon your definition of plenty.

How many would you like to deprive ?

All those who are stupid enough to avoid voting out of fear for COVID-19.  

In my county which is a high area for COVID-19 your chances of encountering anyone who has COVID-19 are 6 in a thousand (0.6%).  That assumes that everyone infected is out and about.  Since many or most of the infected individuals are either home bound or hospital bound the chances are more likely less than 3 in a thousand.  If that scares you enough to avoid voting I don't want you to vote.

My definition of plenty certainly doesn't include the number of people likely to encounter a risk at 0.3%.

Your definition doesn't mean squat. EVERY citizen of voting age should have the ability to vote. To put old people, compromised people in danger when not needed is nothing less than cruel.

Actually my definition of plenty means much more than does your squat.  You said, "There are plenty of at risk people...".  I explained to you that there are almost no people at risk.  Even those very, very few that are at risk need only be clever enough wash their hands.

You are so practiced at putting up straw men.  If you want everyone to be able to vote (even though plenty, by my definition, don't bother) then advise them if they are frightened to apply for an absentee ballot.  

I personally think that voting people who are not smart enough to distinguish candidates and issues are a real problem to functional democracy.

[Moonshot_1]

Freedom takes effort and responsibility. By everyone. Even those who are "at risk" or disabled. These folks and others who qualify for other reasons have access to voting via absentee ballots.

Mail in voting is crazy insane.

Absentee voting has an individual requesting a ballot. They prove their identity, address, and eligibility. They get a ballot. They fill it out and send it back.
The State's election folks know where that ballot is, who has it and they know the total ballots out there.



In a mail in vote the State sends out ballots to all registered voter's addresses.
No one can know if they are getting sent to dead people, people who have moved (who now may be listed numerous times at different addresses), moved out of state, or have otherwise become ineligible to vote.

Talk about the lack of integrity.

Let's keep the numbers easy here...

A state sends out 10 million mail in ballots to all registered voters in the State.
The deadline for receiving them arrives and only 60% are received.

The race on election day is close. Within 2 million votes. But you have 4 million ballots not accounted for and have no idea where they are. Should they have been valid? Do you track down the registered voter who's ballot you can't find?

Think of the issues Florida had with "hanging Chads".

Voting is not only a right for citizens but an HONOR.  

The INTEGRITY of the process must be cherished and protected.

Mail in voting just casts the integrity of an election to the wind.