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You know I love NC. But this just smacks of ignorant and paranoid buffoonery. A constitutional amendment re; who can marry who. Yay small government! I've been saying it forever. Both the hard right and hard left want to run people's lives. They just have different areas where they like to intrude. |
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As you have made plainly obvious your "thinking" pathology is kind of like a shopping cart with a busted wheel. All over the place and lacking the ability to respond properly to simple inputs. You just weave down the aisle, one wheel banging away... But again the "god" thing. God is almost always the excuse that the hard right gives for their own transgressions against freedom. Save it. It's all about controlling people. It has nothing to do with God's wishes. |
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The thing is it was already a state law that gay marriage was illegal. There are alot of common law couples that will lose all of there benefits; insurance ect. I have friends that have been together for 10 to 15 years that there only choice to stay insured now is to get married. It wasn't about gay marriage That had been stopped years ago. It was about civil unions of unwed couples.Heterosexual or gay. This amendment will hurt thousands of couples thru out the state of NC.I for one am ashamed to admit I even live in this backwards ignorant bible thumping state.My wife and I actually had to go to a church to vote. Ill step down off of my soap box now.
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« Reply #9 on: May 09, 2012, 04:12:40 AM » |
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Personally, I don't see how allowing gay marriage make MY life any worse. I am a Libertarian, and therefore approve of ANYTHING someone wants to do, as long as it doesn't intrude on MY liberty. I can't for the life of me see how THIS does... ergo... it's OK by Jabba.  Jabba |
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« Reply #10 on: May 09, 2012, 04:27:10 AM » |
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Just curious
Why is marriage the holy grail of all gay and homosexuals? I understand the idea of civil rights and that has already been granted in most states. But this seems is not enough. If 2 people love each other then does marriage really count? I know plenty of heterosexuals that live happily together and consider marriage a problem. They have kids, houses, retirement and all the things that go along with it. So why? Or maybe is it the validation by the God instituted marriage or the validation of society to say your ok?
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« Reply #11 on: May 09, 2012, 04:43:51 AM » |
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It has to do with hetero people claiming ownership of the word marriage I think. I am not immersed in gay culture... but I know a few... and I question them a lot. That's what it seems like to me.
My brother who is adamantly opposed to gay marriage is REALLY opposed to their use of the word. He thinks he's more entitled to it than they are.
And there are MANY areas in which homo's do not have the same considerations as straight couples.
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« Reply #12 on: May 09, 2012, 04:53:23 AM » |
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I think of it like this,
1. I would never attend a church that allowed same sex marriage.
2. I would pray and worship with gay people and hope they would with me as I sin a lot and need everyone's love and respect.
3. The fact that any government could or would infringe on the people's right to openly live there lives is a direct attack on the constitution of the United States of AMERICA
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I think of it like this,
1. I would never attend a church that allowed same sex marriage.
2. I would pray and worship with gay people and hope they would with me as I sin a lot and need everyone's love and respect.
3. The fact that any government could or would infringe on the people's right to openly live there lives is a direct attack on the constitution of the United States of AMERICA
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« Reply #15 on: May 09, 2012, 05:21:52 AM » |
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I find it ironic that many of the same people that are so up in arms about Sharia law are the same ones that are adamantly against allowing gay people to get married...
And the double irony is that these same people don't, or won't, see the irony in this...
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Personally, I don't see how allowing gay marriage make MY life any worse. I am a Libertarian, and therefore approve of ANYTHING someone wants to do, as long as it doesn't intrude on MY liberty. I can't for the life of me see how THIS does... ergo... it's OK by Jabba. Jabba +1 |
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« Reply #17 on: May 09, 2012, 06:09:14 AM » |
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If you don't like it you can move to California but wait didn't that State vote against gay marriage only to have their vote over turned by a gay judge. It is a spiritual conflict.
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« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2012, 06:15:12 AM » |
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I find it ironic that many of the same people that are so up in arms about Sharia law are the same ones that are adamantly against allowing gay people to get married...
And the double irony is that these same people don't, or won't, see the irony in this...
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As you have made plainly obvious your "thinking" pathology is kind of like a shopping cart with a busted wheel. All over the place and lacking the ability to respond properly to simple inputs. You just weave down the aisle, one wheel banging away... But again the "god" thing. God is almost always the excuse that the hard right gives for their own transgressions against freedom. Save it. It's all about controlling people. It has nothing to do with God's wishes. so are you saying you disagree???? and you think an anus was put there for another man to...you know... YES OR NO...NO OTHER ANSWER WILL BE TOLERATED... MAN UP DUDE...YES OR NO |
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I think of it like this,
1. I would never attend a church that allowed same sex marriage.
2. I would pray and worship with gay people and hope they would with me as I sin a lot and need everyone's love and respect.
3. The fact that any government could or would infringe on the people's right to openly live there lives is a direct attack on the constitution of the United States of AMERICA
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As you have made plainly obvious your "thinking" pathology is kind of like a shopping cart with a busted wheel. All over the place and lacking the ability to respond properly to simple inputs. You just weave down the aisle, one wheel banging away... But again the "god" thing. God is almost always the excuse that the hard right gives for their own transgressions against freedom. Save it. It's all about controlling people. It has nothing to do with God's wishes. so are you saying you disagree???? and you think an anus was put there for another man to...you know... YES OR NO...NO OTHER ANSWER WILL BE TOLERATED... MAN UP DUDE...YES OR NO Are you joking or being serious? I can't tell. All I can hear is brrrrr-whapwhapwhap-brrrrrr-whapwhapwhap. I'll assume that you're being serious and answer but it's not exactly a yes or no question. For me the answer is; my spider button is a check-valve. It's why it's shaped the way it is. But that's just me. In reality it is whatever it's owner wants it to be. If I want to use mine to hold a spare magazine for my pistol then that's my f**king business because it's MY balloon knot. So I certainly have no business telling some other cowboy that he can't take a crankshaft in his muddy wagon wheel if he wants to. YCTTAROPLMV. |
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Regardless of your opinion of the Bible its clear what God's position (as addresed in his Word)
Each of us may have different feeling about the whole gay marriage thing, and homosexuality in general......thats ok, we dont have to agree
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Its not the governments job to legislate morality, they are just pandering for votes anyway.
The only solution is to replace as many of them as possible with a-political (ok, LESS political) servants and let America be free again, free from a huge government trying to get in your pocket, your refrigerator your TV, your car and your bedroom!
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Great question .i expect our leader of government to protect our country from democratic idioticy. This great country is not a democracy but a republic. That protects us from the majority of the citizen's from trampling on the rights of the minority. if they are have morals that is great but I think that is likely best left to another discussion. The graffic details of ones sex life if best left to porn movies or to the privacy of ones bedroom. I think that people are born gay. Your own graffic discripition in my option proves this. We as a society create a lot of issues for young kids as they begin to explore who they are sexually that can and probably do mess them up for the rest of there lives. I know that I am guilty of being the bully and still do to some extent.
The long and short of it is i don't want our state or federal laws to discriminate against people's rights becouse they think god is telling them it is wrong. I want them to protects everyone from the loud mouths that may just be carismatic enough to get bad law passed and trample on people's rights..
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I think gayness is a defect. It's not normal. But, neither is my diabetes. (Neither is my unbelievable good looks, and fantastic personality.) But it exists, and I am not in control of it.
I don't think being queer is normal, but I don't think it's CHOICE either. I tolerate gay people pretty well, because they don't try to recruit me into their recreational activities.
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Well said Chris and Jabba. I would have saved time and put a +1 had I read before I posted.. Of coarse I am bored out of my mind these days and have nothing else to do but show people how bad my spelling is.
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« Reply #28 on: May 09, 2012, 07:43:23 AM » |
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I really wish that some of you religious folks would let God do His own condeming and judging. Stop trying to force others to adhere to YOUR beliefs. Let those of us who operate rationally do so in peace. Something to keep in mind: That which we hate in others is often that which we hate in ourselves.
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I dont care who you wake up with. I wont tell you stories if you dont tell yours.
Do your job, dont be hypersensitive, leave whatever agendas you have at the door and I will too.
I work with a guy that didnt get the good looks most of us are burdened with, and when he swtiched over it was "diversity class" time. I blurted we needed "Unity class" because we still and to work together and help the company succeed so we could come in every day and not watch Price is Right.
"Lori" said that was one of the nicest things anyone has done. I just thought it was the right thing to do. Diversity,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,PASHAW.
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I think gayness is a defect. It's not normal. But, neither is my diabetes. (Neither is my unbelievable good looks, and fantastic personality.) But it exists, and I am not in control of it.
I don't think being queer is normal, but I don't think it's CHOICE either. I tolerate gay people pretty well, because they don't try to recruit me into their recreational activities.
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I really wish that some of you religious folks would let God do His own condeming and judging. Stop trying to force others to adhere to YOUR beliefs. Let those of us who operate rationally do so in peace. Something to keep in mind: That which we hate in others is often that which we hate in ourselves.
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The Judeo-Christian marriage is a contract taken under oath between ..
1) Man
2) Woman
3) God Almighty
As a Christian I made a oath to my Wife as well as God Almighty.
The Wife did the same
And God Almighty promised to bless our union as long as we kept our oaths.
Its a three way eternal contract .. or untill death do we part.
The Judeo-Christian marriage predates modern Governments recognition of marriage ... who have taken it apon themselve to re-define and re-define marriage.
1st a marriage is between a man and a woman ... (notice God is not recognized)
2nd a marriage can be same sex partners.
So be it ... but they do not have the power to re-define what a Judeo-Christian Marriage is.
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We live in a pluralist society and Christians must keep in mind that they were never order by God to build their own Society.
In fact .. Christians were ordered to go out into the world and live among "the pagans"
Historicly this is a accurate discription of the early Christians ... living side by side in various pagan cultures that practiced a whole host of apparent sins against their religious views.
For example ... They got by by simply stateing (when ask to join drunken orgies) that that was not their way.
So it can be concluded that modern societies acceptance of sexual sin should not effect a Christians belief or way of life.
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But with that being said ... we also live in a free and open society where everyone is entitled to express their political and religious views as well as have their voice heard on matters such as laws that govern their nation.
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1st a marriage is between a man and a woman ... (notice God is not recognized)
Becausein America no one is under any obligation to recognize God. ANY god. Unlike in many Muslim countries where you are bound to recognize Allah, at least in appearance. (The Sharia law irony that Serk was talking about). But for that matter, Judeo-Christian marriage is not the only form of marriage recognized in America. What of Buddhist marriage and Hindu marriage? Those are recognized, as long as they're between a man and a woman. So it's not really about Judeo-Christian marriage. It's about homosexuality and the fact that a lot of people don't like it. |
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You know I love NC. But this just smacks of ignorant and paranoid buffoonery. A constitutional amendment re; who can marry who. Yay small government! I've been saying it forever. Both the hard right and hard left want to run people's lives. They just have different areas where they like to intrude. how does gay marriage affect me? it doesn't. we can talk about the moral decline of the country, true enough seems to be happening. I think that's more caused by a move away from god. I don't like it that people that have decades together and no other family have no say in their partners treatment or even the right to visit in a hospital in extreme cases. I do believe marraige should be between a man and a woman, but I wouldn't stand in the way of others happiness. |
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It's been alluded to a few times, but IMHO part of the problem in this discussion (Not this specific thread, I mean the discussion on this topic nation wide) is we're discussing two completely different things.
There is the religious construct of marriage and the legal construct of marriage.
Most of us that are in favor of allowing gay people to get married are discussing the legal construct of marriage. If a particular religion wants to, or doesn't want to condone the religious construct of marriage, that's their business and I don't care either way.
But the legal construct of marriage should be free of religious beliefs and open to all who wish to take part in it. (or the alternative, remove the legal definition of marriage and all the benefits and obligations that come with it entirely, and let the government stay out of who's a couple and who's not entirely, but I don't support that path.)
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I really wish that some of you religious folks would let God do His own condeming and judging. Stop trying to force others to adhere to YOUR beliefs. Let those of us who operate rationally do so in peace. Something to keep in mind: That which we hate in others is often that which we hate in ourselves.
In a Republic with Representative Democracy everyone has a voice and a Constitutional Right to express that voice on matters of law that effect the nation as a whole. If the Nation decides that Homosexual marriage is acceptable ... then the matter has been settle and homosexuals can be married in peace. But untill that happens everyone has the right to express their convictions. As for "Hate" Whats wrong with "Hate" ? It's a very powerfull emotion that is very usefull. In fact Christians are instructed to love what is good and hate what is evil. For example ... Who doesn't hate Pedophilia ? Or theft, murder ... etc etc ? These are Moral issues that every free citizen has a right to express their convictions on. And before I get the ... "who are you to force your morality on others" ... ya know .. that ole chestnut. I can make a secular argument to that. As long as I'm paying the bills through taxes and insurance for the cost of treating sexual deseases spread by way of immoral sexual behavior ... ... I have every f-----g right to push my moral views on others. |
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Becausein America no one is under any obligation to recognize God. ANY god. Unlike in many Muslim countries where you are bound to recognize Allah, at least in appearance. (The Sharia law irony that Serk was talking about). But for that matter, Judeo-Christian marriage is not the only form of marriage recognized in America. What of Buddhist marriage and Hindu marriage? Those are recognized, as long as they're between a man and a woman. So it's not really about Judeo-Christian marriage. It's about homosexuality and the fact that a lot of people don't like it. True .. but that one line you quoted was not the essence of my post. You should learn to take in the entire context. |
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It's been alluded to a few times, but IMHO part of the problem in this discussion (Not this specific thread, I mean the discussion on this topic nation wide) is we're discussing two completely different things.
There is the religious construct of marriage and the legal construct of marriage.
Most of us that are in favor of allowing gay people to get married are discussing the legal construct of marriage. If a particular religion wants to, or doesn't want to condone the religious construct of marriage, that's their business and I don't care either way.
But the legal construct of marriage should be free of religious beliefs and open to all who wish to take part in it. (or the alternative, remove the legal definition of marriage and all the benefits and obligations that come with it entirely, and let the government stay out of who's a couple and who's not entirely, but I don't support that path.)
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