Who Cares who Marries Who?

[Daniel Meyer]

(wonders why folks are begging the state to regulate their relationship)

[Paxton]

What happened?
I went to sleep contemplating happily about the civility of this thread.

Now I sign in and find that

A. I ain't really married... "... am living in sin... "of not much importance;"   
B. The f word  has taken its rightful place in the debate;
C. Clark and his relationship w/his Dog is in question...  but he ain't plannin on marryin or havin sex with it.  .
D. The gay couple next door is throwing a pool party in the other side of our fence; 
E. Hate is now a useful tool; 
F. Neil & Bob might be gettin' married;
G. My church sucks... finally!
H.There are some good Christians!
I. President Obama articulated his support for Gay Marriage.
J. My Gay pastor is no longer "... Can't blame him for thinking a guy friend would be better."
K. The presidential election has been "elevated."
L. Somebody acquired the right to stick his nose in my business and say its wrong. ???
M. Somebody asserts that he has every f-----g right to push his moral views on others.
N. Brad clearly has very little understanding of the Bible .
O. The Constitution does say that all MEN are created equal... apparently WOMEN were not.
P. There is a new site for women: "RushBabesfor(something).com
Q. Some of us ware depends as Gel Pads...
R. Valkyries have no say in this discussion. After all they are mythical beings.

I better go back to sleep!

"It is always the false that makes you suffer, the false desires and fears,
the false values and ideas, the false relationships between people.
Abandon the false and get on your Valkyrie… truth liberates."
Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

[Master Blaster]

You folks that favor Gay marrage are telling us that dont that you will be proud if your sons or daughters choose this route, how about your grandkids.  It is a slippery slope you are approving of.  Us Christians have been in a full scale war defending our reigious beliefs.  Family values are at stake here, and our kids are impressionable.   Like it or not, it was Eve that God make for Adam, not Evan.  If anything goes, what will happen when someone decides to marry their sons or daughters, or brothers or sisters decide to marry.  How about animals.   If we want to survive as a society we have to have standards.  You talk about gay rights, but they have the exact same rights as I do, to marry someone of the opposite sex.  What they want is some specal rights designed to accomidate their desires.   And re above I do tithe + and find it no hardship at all.   The gays are pushing an agenda that tells our children that gender doesnt matter, and it is being taught in some schools now.  There is no end to what they want our society to change to, and every victory they have pushing their agenda is never enough.   I do not hate or even dislike gays, I do pray for them, and do disapprove their lifestyle.  Man and woman were designed to procreate, and start familys that last down through the years. To build heratages that are handed down with pride from father and mother to son and daughter.  its simple really, but some feel its cool snd superior to be enlightened and above the basic truths.    

[ComradBlack]

Now you did it Doc.See what you started.As far as Hate goes I hate it when ever I go for a cross country ride the weather turns to crap.

Did you pray for good weather ?

No .I asked the valk to point me in the right direction ,that didn't help either

Well, just to let ya know ... praying don't help much either.

God answers a lot of prayers with a big fat "NO"

Raincoats for everyone

[Paxton]

Who was Adam and Eve's daughter in law? Who created her? I've asked that question to myself for a while now.  ???
Evolution, collusion, illusion...? I still can't find a plausible answer!  

[The Anvil]

Clark had a valid point...........why stop at a same sex marriage?
What would the liberals say about marriage and sex with a goat, dog or good looking sheep.
They have feelings too.
Would the argument then be that you can't go out of your species?
Were does it stop............and why stop there?

I hear that argument all the time and with all due respect (which is essentially NONE) it's idiotic. It's not-so-vaguely suggesting that gay people are not human and that it's a step outside the bounds of human-on-human relationships, though it would not surprise me if you tried to argue that too. It's not as if that opinion hasn't been expressed by Nazis and Muslims.

Mister Master Blaster, if my daughters decide to start batting for the other team then I will lament. Not because I don't love them but because I know there are people out there like Gangman who will look down on them without even knowing them. But I would rather my child be openly gay and happy than closeted and having to suppress or hide something as fundamental as their sexuality. That's a hell I feel no one should have to suffer through.

[BradValk48237]

Gangman

 I agree to a point.....

I don't know of anywhere that prohibits marriage between 2 consenting (Man Woman)parties..... and understand the law of marriage...

So if someone finds a goat, dog, or sheep that can sign a marriage certificate and is consenting...then I say go for it....

How ever because there are already laws against animal cruelty amost cant even hold a pen I dont see it happening....

But in most states you can leave your money and property to a goat, cat, dog etc already......

Chris,

BTW i do understand the Bible, have read it several times and spent a good portion of my youth in Lutheran classes and school.. Just been a long time since I've read it and don't  know it verbatim. I have also read the Q'uran (how ever you want to spell it..)  I have also spent time in Synagogue and have been to Buddhist and Hindu Temples... not my cup of tea, but wanted to know what it was like.....

I guess I just don't interpret the Bible as you do....

And by your prior statement, you don't have a problem with states allowing gay marriage as long as they don't force churches do perform them...... well cant happen...(Church n State...Remember?)... and none of the states that have ratified it have anything that even suggests churches HAVE to (but many do)...... so basically you have no real reason to not allow this to become law??????

SO by your own words...... what's the problem with fellow Americans trying to exercise their advantage of living in a free country????? So what if they go to Hell.... not your problem. (Yes I know that part of most Churches/Teachings is to help save sinner even if they don't want to)

Once again I respect your opinion, it's just not mine and many others in several states.... and countries...etc...

Brad

[ComradBlack]

Who was Adam and Eve's daughter in law? Who created her? I've asked that question to myself for a while now.  ???
Evolution, collusion, illusion...? I still can't find a plausible answer!  

Was she gay ?

Just tryin to stay on topic

[Chrisj CMA]

Brad....PM sent

[Serk]

Can we please drop this topic?

I feel myself getting physically ill when I have to agree with Anvil AND Obama in a single thread!

(That was 90% tongue in cheek for the humor impaired)

[Romeo]

hubcapsc;
 
86.71% of statistics are made up on the spot.

As I am sure this one is.

[Romeo]

Regardless of your opinion of the Bible its clear what God's position (as addresed in his Word)


Each of us may have different feeling about the whole gay marriage thing, and homosexuality in general......thats ok, we dont have to agree

BUT

Its not the governments job to legislate morality, they are just pandering for votes anyway. 

The only solution is to replace as many of them as possible with a-political (ok, LESS political) servants and let America be free again, free from a huge government trying to get in your pocket, your refrigerator your TV, your car and your bedroom!

100% agree

[The Anvil]

(That was 90%...)

You just made that up! 

[Paxton]

Romeo;

81.012% agree with you.  

[Alien]

It's entertaining that this debate always leads to a discussion of beastiality as though gay marriage will lead to rampant moose raping.

I would not have a problem with my son or daughter being a homosexual or marrying someone of their own gender.

Where does the right of Christians to force their viewpoints on others end?  Have you heard of the Westboro Baptist Church?  People who behave in that way (even on a smaller scale) give all religious people a bad name.  Now, The Westboro Baptist Church is operating within their Constitutional rights but they're still evil douchebags.  Maybe excersizing your right to force your morals on others makes you an evil douchebag too.

I understand that Christians believe that homosexuality is a sin.  They have every right to that viewpoint.  They do not have the right, however, to harass others who do not share their views/beliefs.

[Jumpmaster]

Well, that was some good reading, took awhile to catch up. NC great job in keeping just what God intended "Go Tarheel's" NC has spoken.....

[Paxton]

Chrisj's CMA writes, quote:
"... I wont tell you youre inferior in any way for not believing.  We are all gone astray and unworthy......
no human is righteous on his own without Jesus.  Having God inside is the only righteousness a Christian can claim,
we dont deserve it but that is what grace is all about. 

Grace, true forgiveness, SALVATION..."

============================================================

Chrisj's CMA;
In your first sentence you tell us "... I wont tell you youre inferior in any way for not believing...."
In the next sentence you tell us: "... We are all gone astray and unworthy... we dont deserve it..." 

Well, I realize that you are a believer and I won't tell you that you're inferior for believing.
But when you talk about gone astray and that we all are unworthy and that we don't deserve it, that is
an all-inclusive proclamation on your part that includes us all.

If you have gone astray and feel unworthy, those are symptoms of clinical depression.
However, if you deny that you are clinically depressed, then don't confuse your righteous opinions with non-facts.  ???

Speaking for myself, I have not gone astray (well, can't anymore). I do not think of myself nor of you as unworthy...
although others might do. But, (rhetorically) what have you done that makes you feel that awful?

I have read many of your posts wherein you don't sound unworthy; much to the contrary.

I have read many of your posts where yes, you've gone astray... far, far out there...
At times, not much "grace or true forgiveness" or tolerance has been inspired by your posts.

As for SALVATION. Yes, there have been many times when I wish somebody had been there to save me from myself...
from buying another toy that I don't need.

Frankly, I rather follow the words of a former POTUS who does not care 'bout who marries who.
He's too old for
such unworthy concerns.  I've heard that he's still alive!
 
SAYS HE:
“Be strong, be kind. Be generous of spirit. Be understanding and let people know how grateful you are.” GHWB

"God is a concept by which we measure our pain."
John Lennon

[musclehead]

What happened?
I went to sleep contemplating happily about the civility of this thread.

Now I sign in and find that

A. I ain't really married... "... am living in sin... "of not much importance;"   
B. The f word  has taken its rightful place in the debate;
C. Clark and his relationship w/his Dog is in question...  but he ain't plannin on marryin or havin sex with it.  .
D. The gay couple next door is throwing a pool party in the other side of our fence; 
E. Hate is now a useful tool; 
F. Neil & Bob might be gettin' married;
G. My church sucks... finally!
H.There are some good Christians!
I. President Obama articulated his support for Gay Marriage.
J. My Gay pastor is no longer "... Can't blame him for thinking a guy friend would be better."
K. The presidential election has been "elevated."
L. Somebody acquired the right to stick his nose in my business and say its wrong. ???
M. Somebody asserts that he has every f-----g right to push his moral views on others.
N. Brad clearly has very little understanding of the Bible .
O. The Constitution does say that all MEN are created equal... apparently WOMEN were not.
P. There is a new site for women: "RushBabesfor(something).com
Q. Some of us ware depends as Gel Pads...
R. Valkyries have no say in this discussion. After all they are mythical beings.

I better go back to sleep!

"It is always the false that makes you suffer, the false desires and fears,
the false values and ideas, the false relationships between people.
Abandon the false and get on your Valkyrie… truth liberates."
Sri Nisargadatta Maharaj

well you left me out of that, I musta said sometihng you agree with 

[GJS]

Woah is me, for I have gone astray. In a sort of worthy way though
http://www.venganza.org/images/spreadword/fsm_brochure2.pdf
 

[Paxton]

QUOTE from MSAPERS: "... I understand that Christians believe that homosexuality is a sin.  They have every right to that viewpoint.  They do not have the right, however, to harass others who do not share their views/beliefs.

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MSAPERS;
I am with you on this one, but...
Good, bad or indifferent, in America, they DO have the right, however, to harass others who do not share their views/beliefs.

[sandy]

Remember: "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" With a separation of church and state here, we shouldn't pass a law denying people their unalienable rights as a human. If our personal beliefs don't agree, then teach and preach in the home and church. Make it your family value but not a Federal law.

[Chrisj CMA]

Paxton, I hardly know where to begin with an attempt to answer your long post.......the more I read it the more it sounds (smells) like bait so Im not taking it.

You can believe whatever you like........I have nothing to gain by trying to convince you otherwise....However, if you are wrong you have everything to lose....so if you ever really want to know about the one true way, PM me and Ill be glad to anwer anything you ask

[Clark]

looks like its about 60% of folks here I wouldnt wanna drop the soap around

[The Anvil]

looks like its about 60% of folks here I wouldnt wanna drop the soap around

I'd make it hurt too.

P.S. For the most part I must say that I'm proud of you folks.

[Momz]

Gay or Hetro, Dino or Synthetic oil.
What does it really matter?

If your next door neighbors were a gay couple, would it change your life? .....Seriously now!!!

[Paxton]

Chrisj CMA;
I know we disagree at some level and I'll get to that.

But first,
I want to acknowledge, praise and encourage your respectful, level-headed response to my post.
I wish we could all discuss issues in a respectful manner.

Moreover, your response shows more respect for me than my statements did towards you.
It's called "emotional intelligence" and you Sir, are well equipped. Thank you.

DISAGREEMENTS:
I just read my comments to you again and your reply, of course. In a way, neither can I begin to respond. ???
Suffice it to say that your past comments awoke my anger about church; and about religious-upbringing issues.
Conflicts that your comments articulated word-by-word... almost verbatim.

I do feel poorly 'bout the callous and uncalled-for-language I directed at you, in anger.

QUOTE: "....However, if you are wrong you have everything to lose..." 

Notwithstanding the disagreements, these quoted words brought good memories.
I could not count how many times I've said the same words to others.

In closing...
I made my original statements public. Therefore, I thought it fair to make this one public as well.  ???

I truly appreciate your invitation to PM you but, at this time, I'll respectfully decline.
Thank you for your kindness.

"There is the truth of history, and there is the truth of what a person remembers…
like birds that fly between countries at war at each other."
Rebecca Wells

 

[ComradBlack]

It's entertaining that this debate always leads to a discussion of beastiality as though gay marriage will lead to rampant moose raping.

I would not have a problem with my son or daughter being a homosexual or marrying someone of their own gender.

Where does the right of Christians to force their viewpoints on others end?  Have you heard of the Westboro Baptist Church?  People who behave in that way (even on a smaller scale) give all religious people a bad name.  Now, The Westboro Baptist Church is operating within their Constitutional rights but they're still evil douchebags.  Maybe excersizing your right to force your morals on others makes you an evil douchebag too.

I understand that Christians believe that homosexuality is a sin.  They have every right to that viewpoint.  They do not have the right, however, to harass others who do not share their views/beliefs.

Your a little over the top on your assumptions about Christians.

Most don't harass homosexuals  ... In fact I know several homosexuals and we get along great.
We even have drinks together.

What this is is a thread about marriage and the various viewpoints on that topic.
I presented the Judeo-Christian viewpoint.

How does that translate into a call for hatred and harrassment ?
.. or even a accusation of a superiority complex.

My position has been clear .... every citizen has a right to voice their conviction on matters of law governing the society the live in.

As for the Westboro nutcases ... that is a clear case of Elitism

Elitism is a whole other topic ... and no group, organization, institution is immune to Elitism.

Elitism can be found everywhere ...  from Christian Churches to Motorcycle clubs.

[ComradBlack]

Woah is me, for I have gone astray. In a sort of worthy way though
http://www.venganza.org/images/spreadword/fsm_brochure2.pdf
 

The Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster can be equated to a bunch of "Johnny's Come Lately's".

[lucky_1_chris]

Clark had a valid point...........why stop at a same sex marriage?
What would the liberals say about marriage and sex with a goat, dog or good looking sheep.
They have feelings too.
Would the argument then be that you can't go out of your species?
Were does it stop............and why stop there?

That's the most logical argument I've ever heard on the subject. No holes at all. Good job, sir.

[donaldcc]

Clark had a valid point...........why stop at a same sex marriage?
What would the liberals say about marriage and sex with a goat, dog or good looking sheep.
They have feelings too.
Would the argument then be that you can't go out of your species?
Were does it stop............and why stop there?

That's the most logical argument I've ever heard on the subject. No holes at all. Good job, sir.

  would not classify that as argument or logic. 

[Paxton]

QUESTIONS TO PONDER:

OBVIOUSLY, YOU MAY CHOOSE TO NOT PONDER OR COMMENT ON THESE QUESTIONS.
YES OR NO ANSWERS WOULD SUFFICE

A. Do you have an independent recollection of the instant when you decided on your volition to become either a Heterosexual,
or Bisexual or Lesbian... Civic-Minded-Homosexual, Celibate, Transvestite, a Drag Queen,
Transgender and / or
stay in the "Closet-Whatever"... etc?

MY ANSWER: NO

B. Have you ever felt harassed or teased because of your friendship with or because you belong or you are perceived to belong
to one or more of the above groupings?

MY ANSWER: Yes, too many times.

C. Would you rather not comment?
Obviously, you can elect to ignore these questions and move on...

MY ANSWER: I might have comments later but not now. Taking a break.

CHALLENGE: To engage in constructive commentary keeping our dialogue within reasonable bounds of civility and respect for one another.
This, without sacrificing our differing values and our integrity.

RIDE SAFE PLEASE

"A thought is harmless unless we believe it.
It’s not our thoughts, but our attachment to our thoughts, that causes suffering.”
Attaching to a thought often means believing that it’s true, without inquiring (further)…”
A belief is a thought that we’ve been attaching to, often for years."
Byron Katie
(Loving What Is: Four Questions That Can Change Your Life)

[Chattanooga Mark]

Homosexuals can marry each other in every state in the USA. There are Unitarian churches or synagogues that will perform the ceremony. What homosexuals really want is for the Federal government to make a special clarification about marriage so they can claim hate speach on anyone and everyone who doesn't approve of it.

If anyone who 'loves' another is the criteria for marriage, then anything goes. Father marrying a son, brother to brother, poligamy, no reason to stop at only two people, you name it it'll all be the same. Society falls yet again.

Yes, it's all about control. The very small but vocal gay population wanting laws passed so that the rest of society has to show approval.

Mark

[Paxton]

QUOTES: "Clark had a valid point...........why stop at a same sex marriage?
What would the liberals say about marriage and sex with a goat, dog or good looking sheep.
They have feelings too... why stop there?

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Folks;
Those are thought provoking questions. ???

I for one would support you three gentlemen volunteering to be the trail blazers.
To be the ones to cross that line first, then crawl back and report!
Who knows, you might become trend-setters!

"There's nowhere you can be that isn't where you're meant to be..."
John Lennon

[lucky_1_chris]

Homosexuals can marry each other in every state in the USA. There are Unitarian churches or synagogues that will perform the ceremony. What homosexuals really want is for the Federal government to make a special clarification about marriage so they can claim hate speach on anyone and everyone who doesn't approve of it.

If anyone who 'loves' another is the criteria for marriage, then anything goes. Father marrying a son, brother to brother, poligamy, no reason to stop at only two people, you name it it'll all be the same. Society falls yet again.

Yes, it's all about control. The very small but vocal gay population wanting laws passed so that the rest of society has to show approval.

Mark

You're absolutely right. Why even stop at just banning marriage for gays? I say we ban them from most things things that normal people take for granted. Seriously. If we let gays get a driver's license, why not let Fido have one? If gays can vote, what's next, the housecat gonna get his say, too? Personally, I don't think anyone should be able to marry. Think about it...if a man can marry a woman, what's to stop a father from marrying his daughter? We gotta nip this crap in the bud. Now.

Derp.

[junior]

Just curious
 Why is marriage the holy grail of all gay and homosexuals? I understand the idea of civil rights and that has already been granted in most states. But this seems is not enough. If 2 people love each other then does marriage really count? I know plenty of heterosexuals that live happily together and consider marriage a problem. They have kids, houses, retirement and all the things that go along with it. So why? Or maybe is it the validation by the God instituted marriage or the validation of society to say your ok?

it isnt god they need aproval from its the state and ins. co.

[Paxton]

RE: Reply #113
Would you disagree that the language and thought process of #113 is just a prank or a script of sorts...

John Huston could not have directed a better comedic script.  ???
What gives #113 away is the early 19-century values it displays and the twisted logic depicted on the script. 

Early wild west might you guess?

[Chrisj CMA]

Chrisj CMA;
I know we disagree at some level and I'll get to that.

But first,
I want to acknowledge, praise and encourage your respectful, level-headed response to my post.
I wish we could all discuss issues in a respectful manner.

Moreover, your response shows more respect for me than my statements did towards you.
It's called "emotional intelligence" and you Sir, are well equipped. Thank you.

DISAGREEMENTS:
I just read my comments to you again and your reply, of course. In a way, neither can I begin to respond. ???
Suffice it to say that your past comments awoke my anger about church; and about religious-upbringing issues.
Conflicts that your comments articulated word-by-word... almost verbatim.

I do feel poorly 'bout the callous and uncalled-for-language I directed at you, in anger.

QUOTE: "....However, if you are wrong you have everything to lose..." 

Notwithstanding the disagreements, these quoted words brought good memories.
I could not count how many times I've said the same words to others.

In closing...
I made my original statements public. Therefore, I thought it fair to make this one public as well.  ???

I truly appreciate your invitation to PM you but, at this time, I'll respectfully decline.
Thank you for your kindness.

"There is the truth of history, and there is the truth of what a person remembers…
like birds that fly between countries at war at each other."
Rebecca Wells

 

Cool......then we can go riding someday

[Paxton]

QUOTE: "Cool......then we can go riding someday"

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That would be great but you must be reasonable and agree with me!  

[Phil57]

As someone who contributed to this thread let me suggustedd to to powers that be.
We should have a button that we can hit like the Gong Show. When enough people are sick of the thread and press the button there is a huge explosion and the thread is gone.

[Jabba]

As someone who contributed to this thread let me suggustedd to to powers that be.
We should have a button that we can hit like the Gong Show. When enough people are sick of the thread and press the button there is a huge explosion and the thread is gone.

Or... you can exercise YOUR right to no longer participate in it by NOT pushing the button that opens it up!   

Jabba