Coronavirus $hit be getting real

[The emperor has no clothes]

I believe your daughters professor is correct. But until we get testing up to speed it's a mute point. Here we are months later and still waiting on testing.

I'm sure you meant moot.

Yes, it is important that we get the ability to test for immunity readily available but meantime the question remains of how many lives we're saving and how many lives we're costing in the destruction of our economy and culture to mitigate.

Yes, I did. I thought it didn't seem right when I typed it. I think the questions you asked are going to be impossible to answer with any real certainty.

[Valkorado]

OK.   I fear the Almighty God.   I respect our right to worship Him.  I still have to scratch my head a bit at these stories.

Virginia pastor who defiantly held church service dies of coronavirus

https://nypost.com/2020/04/13/virginia-pastor-who-held-packed-church-service-dies-of-coronavirus/

My church has gone to worshiping through remote media.  I support that and am one who works to make that available.  I still hold that it is the people's decision and not the government's.  I have no problem with the pastor's choice.

I wonder if the NY Post will be reporting on how many attended church and did not acquire the virus.  I wonder if that percentage will be significantly different than that of the population at large. 

Unless all parishioners are spaced at least six feet away and wearing masks or face coverings I don't support it, at least until the restrictions are lifted.  

The parishioners could potentially become infected, then head to their local grocery store for some after church shopping and infect others in the community -- who then infect their contacts.

[Serk]

Once again, the BabylonBee USED to be a satire site... =\

https://babylonbee.com/news/kentucky-orders-all-churchgoers-to-wear-yellow-cross

[Willow]

... The parishioners could potentially become infected, then head to their local grocery store for some after church shopping and infect others in the community -- who then infect their contacts.

The problem with your assumption is that if the other people shopping maintained "social distancing", washed their hands, and took necessary personal protection measures no one outside the congregation could be infected.

Panic causes people to arrive at unreasonable perceptions of danger.

[Valkorado]

... The parishioners could potentially become infected, then head to their local grocery store for some after church shopping and infect others in the community -- who then infect their contacts.

The problem with your assumption is that if the other people shopping maintained "social distancing", washed their hands, and took necessary personal protection measures no one outside the congregation could be infected.

Panic causes people to arrive at unreasonable perceptions of danger.

Just double checking.   It seems you had no issue with my first sentence in the above post, only the second one.  Or am I wrong?

Do you believe that the parishioners need not practice social distancing mandates at the (deemed non-essential) church, but the shoppers must deal with the now increased risk at the (deemed essential) grocery store by diligently practicing the mandates?
 
It seems this particular pastor was not a big supprter of the local social distancing mandates, and he wasn't encouraging his parishioners to maintain a proper social distance at his services.

BTW, I am not agreeing or disagreeing with what a particular state or county declares essential or non-essential.  I'm just noting that everyone in a given county is under the same COVID mandates.

[Willow]

... The parishioners could potentially become infected, then head to their local grocery store for some after church shopping and infect others in the community -- who then infect their contacts.

The problem with your assumption is that if the other people shopping maintained "social distancing", washed their hands, and took necessary personal protection measures no one outside the congregation could be infected.

Panic causes people to arrive at unreasonable perceptions of danger.

Just double checking.   It seems you had no issue with my first sentence in the above post, only the second one.  Or am I wrong?

Do you believe that the parishioners need not practice social distancing mandates at the (deemed non-essential) church, but the shoppers must deal with the now increased risk at the (deemed essential) grocery store by diligently practicing the mandates?
 
It seems this particular pastor was not a big supprter of the local social distancing mandates, and he wasn't encouraging his parishioners to maintain a proper social distance at his services.

Big assumptions.  I agree that you have the right to your opinion and others have the right to theirs.  I do not believe you have the right to impose your beliefs on protecting yourself upon others, nor do the people in mass, the government.

I don't  believe anyone should be required to practice social distancing as it is being preached.  My point was that if others practice this social distancing, washing their hands and taking whatever measure they deem necessary to protect themselves then they will be protected regardless of what others have done out of their presence.  That includes parishioners who choose social distancing over attending physically close services.

Essential?  What gives any government entity the authority to decide what gathering is not essential for me?

I believe the social distancing guidelines presented by our government entities are incredibly stupid.  I have some understanding of why they've taken that path as a large portion of the population is incredibly stupid and would not have followed realistic measures.  Where do we draw the line?  

[Valkorado]

Essential?  What gives any government entity the authority to decide what gathering is not essential for me?

We agree I have chosen not to break mandates -- yet.

I believe the social distancing guidelines presented by our government entities are incredibly stupid.  I have some understanding of why they've taken that path as a large portion of the population is incredibly stupid and would have not followed realistic measures.  Where do we draw the line?  

Fixed that.

I guess if everyone in power were equally wise, it would be business as usual!  Why didn't you become a top disease scientist, or run for President?  I almost feel jipped!

[scooperhsd]

I'll follow my own reasoning on what is "reasonable" precautions. I think there is more panicing among authorities than there should be.

[Jess from VA]

I'll follow my own reasoning on what is "reasonable" precautions. I think there is more panicing among authorities than there should be.

Yes, because the authorities are not only interested in public safety, but equally interested in their own careers and personal prestige.  They fear being called out for not doing enough, second guessed, monday morning quarterbacked (and of course, they will).  So everyone naturally falls over themselves to do all they can (get away with).  And so it goes.

Of course what really screws up the system is, no one is entirely sure exactly what to do.  So it's safe to do everything you can (get away with).

Reminds me of Mr Bean;      God is coming, look busy.   

[Willow]

I guess if everyone in power were equally wise, it would be business as usual!  Why didn't you become a top disease scientist, or run for President?  I almost feel jipped!

Thank you for correcting my typo.

To answer your question, my life path has not been in that direction and I do have skeletons in my closet.

No, business as usual would not be best.  You fall into the pattern of some political extremists of saying, "If you don't believe in everything then you must believe nothing."  Not said.  Not true.  If there were some way of getting the population at large to follow the proper protective measures that would be good.  I've no real problem with closing down businesses temporarily that by pattern have many people gathering or passing through.  I do have some problem with many of the steps becoming legally restrictive rather than suggested restrictions.

I don't want the job.  I have the needed intellect but I am one lazy son of a bitch (and I don't care enough about what people think of me to be a politician).

gypped.

[scooperhsd]

I guess if everyone in power were equally wise, it would be business as usual!  Why didn't you become a top disease scientist, or run for President?  I almost feel jipped!

Thank you for correcting my typo.

To answer your question, my life path has not been in that direction and I do have skeletons in my closet.

No, business as usual would not be best.  You fall into the pattern of some political extremists of saying, "If you don't believe in everything then you must believe nothing."  Not said.  Not true.  If there were some way of getting the population at large to follow the proper protective measures that would be good.  I've no real problem with closing down businesses temporarily that by pattern have many people gathering or passing through.  I do have some problem with many of the steps becoming legally restrictive rather than suggested restrictions.

I don't want the job.  I have the needed intellect but I am one lazy son of a bitch (and I don't care enough about what people think of me to be a politician).

gypped.

Amen - I feel the same way. Especially on the "I don't give a d***" what other people think of me. And I really don't like people enough to kiss that much ( or even shake hands).

[Valkorado]

I guess if everyone in power were equally wise, it would be business as usual!  Why didn't you become a top disease scientist, or run for President?  I almost feel jipped!

Thank you for correcting my typo.

To answer your question, my life path has not been in that direction and I do have skeletons in my closet.

No, business as usual would not be best.  You fall into the pattern of some political extremists of saying, "If you don't believe in everything then you must believe nothing."  Not said.  Not true.  If there were some way of getting the population at large to follow the proper protective measures that would be good.  I've no real problem with closing down businesses temporarily that by pattern have many people gathering or passing through.  I do have some problem with many of the steps becoming legally restrictive rather than suggested restrictions.

I don't want the job.  I have the needed intellect but I am one lazy son of a bitch (and I don't care enough about what people think of me to be a politician).

gypped.

No!  You can't hang that hat on me.  I "fall into the pattern" of a person who didn't make the rules, and wansn't even asked my opinion.  I have MORE THAN some problem with many of the steps becoming legally restrictive rather than suggested restrictions.  

IF and WHEN I feel it is necessary to react beyond the mandates of law I will likely choose to do so.  Thus far, I haven't seen that need.   I'm watching, closely.

[Valkorado]

CDC study suggests coronavirus can travel 13 feet in air and live on shoes

https://www.foxnews.com/science/cdc-study-coronavirus-can-travel-13-feet-in-air-live-on-shoes

[Valkorado]

Second or third time I've read about this technique,  must be something to it.


Report: Positioning coronavirus patients on their stomachs can save lives
“By putting them on their stomachs, we’re opening up parts of the lung that weren’t open before,” says one doctor.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/laying-coronavirus-patients-on-their-stomachs/285-c7959e1c-15c8-4bfc-9d8c-1a74187d249e

[Valkorado]

The globally centered,  politically correct  China loving WHO's extremely discriminatory response to Taiwan PUT THE ENTIRE WORLD AT RISK!   Thanks, Tedros Et Al.!

Taiwan releases December email to WHO showing unheeded warning about coronavirus

 www.foxnews.com/world/taiwan-releases-december-email-showing-unheeded-warning-to-who-about-coronavirus

Pretty telling video.   The WHO is definitely under China's influence.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/coronavirus-who-adviser-appears-to-hang-up-over-question-on-taiwan-1.4215953

[Serk]

Swedish Virus Deaths Top 1,000, Fueling Criticism Over Strategy

"Though still well below fatality rates in Italy and the U.K., it’s far worse than in any of the Nordic countries with which Sweden usually compares itself. The Swedish mortality rate is almost 10 times higher than in Finland, more than four times higher than in Norway, and twice Denmark’s."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/swedish-virus-deaths-top-1000-fueling-criticism-over-strategy/ar-BB12C1xU

[3fan4life]

Second or third time I've read about this technique,  must be something to it.


Report: Positioning coronavirus patients on their stomachs can save lives
“By putting them on their stomachs, we’re opening up parts of the lung that weren’t open before,” says one doctor.

https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/laying-coronavirus-patients-on-their-stomachs/285-c7959e1c-15c8-4bfc-9d8c-1a74187d249e

This is being done for the most critical patients.

They are on a ventilator and heavily sedated as the proceedure requires them to be prone for 16 hrs at a time.

[Valkorado]

Beijing’s ‘Nonsense’ Coronavirus Stats are Delaying Effective Global Response, China Expert Warns

https://www.nationalreview.com/news/beijings-nonsense-coronavirus-stats-are-delaying-effective-global-response-china-expert-warns/

A study by Derek Scissors of the American Enterprise Institute used a conservative model to estimate that the total number of cases in China is closer to 2.9 million, far exceeding the 82,000 the Chinese government claims.

“Other than the outbreak site of Hubei, Chinese provinces not only top the list of best-performing areas in limiting Covid, they do so by a huge margin. Yet hundreds of thousands of people, if not over one million, left Hubei for those other provinces before the quarantine and circulated freely for weeks,” Scissors told National Review. “All the mistakes other countries made, China made first, before it imposed harsh, effective restrictions. And its population is 20 times larger than countries reporting far more cases.”

[3fan4life]

There's little doubt that the Chinese have greatly under reported their numbers of both infections and deaths.

Heard today that they are greatly concerned about a second wave of infections.

Wanna bet that the infections and deaths that they've been covering up will be reported as part of the second wave?

[..]

Worth a read. What else do you have to do???

https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/14/im-an-e-r-doctor-in-new-york-none-of-us-will-ever-be-the-same/

[Beardo]

Worth a read. What else do you have to do???

https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/14/im-an-e-r-doctor-in-new-york-none-of-us-will-ever-be-the-same/

Wow. Hard to read. But necessary.

[3fan4life]

New York State is the hardest hit part of the country.

With 1/3 of all infections Nationwide and 42% of the deaths.

54% of the total infections and 72% of the total deaths have been in NYC.

[Valkorado]

Worth a read. What else do you have to do???

https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/14/im-an-e-r-doctor-in-new-york-none-of-us-will-ever-be-the-same/

Holy cow that was a gut wrencher!  These are the heroes.  Great writer and read, but it you want to listen to the article you can do so here.  

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/14/magazine/coronavirus-er-doctor-diary-new-york-city.html/?2020-04-14T09%3A00%3A48%2000%3A00

Wow.  All who trivialize should read (or listen to) this.  Sure not the seasonal flu to these warriors.  "Tsunami" with COVID-19. "Trickle" with flu.

[..]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykieEE1j9eA

[Serk]

Worth a read. What else do you have to do???

https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/14/im-an-e-r-doctor-in-new-york-none-of-us-will-ever-be-the-same/

Curious, can anyone (Other than Willow) who's read the entirety of that writeup honestly say they had dry eyes the entire time? I'm still not through, but damn it's hard.....

(And I only single out Willow not in spite, but because your..... empathy..... has been impacted in some ways medically, not as an insult.)

[Valkorado]

Worth a read. What else do you have to do???

https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/14/im-an-e-r-doctor-in-new-york-none-of-us-will-ever-be-the-same/

Curious, can anyone (Other than Willow) who's read the entirety of that writeup honestly say they had dry eyes the entire time? I'm still not through, but damn it's hard.....

I'm betting 98 will get through it dry eyed only to "remind" us that it's mainly phogies, diseased illegals and  deplorables with medical conditions that are cashing in their chips from COVID.

Oh, and the death numbers are fake.   

[The emperor has no clothes]

Worth a read. What else do you have to do???

https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/14/im-an-e-r-doctor-in-new-york-none-of-us-will-ever-be-the-same/

Curious, can anyone (Other than Willow) who's read the entirety of that writeup honestly say they had dry eyes the entire time? I'm still not through, but damn it's hard.....

(And I only single out Willow not in spite, but because your..... empathy..... has been impacted in some ways medically, not as an insult.)

I couldn't. Having read a few stories similar from other doctors and nurses I wonder the long term impact it's going to have on them. It's got to be psychologically damaging I would imagine.

[scooperhsd]

Worth a read. What else do you have to do???

https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/14/im-an-e-r-doctor-in-new-york-none-of-us-will-ever-be-the-same/

Curious, can anyone (Other than Willow) who's read the entirety of that writeup honestly say they had dry eyes the entire time? I'm still not through, but damn it's hard.....

(And I only single out Willow not in spite, but because your..... empathy..... has been impacted in some ways medically, not as an insult.)

I was able to read without tearing - but I read at a speed most people find impossible to believe . And that's at slow speed....

[_Sheffjs_]

Dry eye, but maybe I just put out a different expression. Numb. I will say I felt trouble breathing while reading it, maybe the mask deal was subliminally affecting me.  Yes these doctors are beyond brave.

[Willow]

Worth a read. What else do you have to do???

https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/14/im-an-e-r-doctor-in-new-york-none-of-us-will-ever-be-the-same/

Curious, can anyone (Other than Willow) who's read the entirety of that writeup honestly say they had dry eyes the entire time? I'm still not through, but damn it's hard.....

(And I only single out Willow not in spite, but because your..... empathy..... has been impacted in some ways medically, not as an insult.)

I hardly ever click on a link that Britman posts but at Serk's comment I went and read it through.  You're right.  I don't cry when others do.  It was indeed a story of a tough journey.

[Valkorado]

Military sees no quick exit from 'new world' of coronavirus

 www.news4jax.com/news/politics/2020/04/15/military-sees-no-quick-exit-from-new-world-of-coronavirus/


The notion of “normal” in the military may never be the same.

“We’ve all deployed and fought enemies abroad, however, today’s enemy is here in our communities,” said Lt. Gen. Brad Webb, commander of the Air Force’s training and education command. “We don’t know what ‘new normal’ will look like until we get to the other side.”

Gen. Mark Milley, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said the the pandemic has spread so far and wide, potentially creating instability in some countries, that the U.S. military cannot return to business as usual.

Even after the number of the military's coronavirus cases crests, a degree of uncertainty about restoring normalcy will linger. The Navy’s top doctor, Rear Adm. Bruce Gillingham, says the virus wields a “secret power” that the military must take into account as it adjusts in the weeks and months ahead.

“What we’ve learned, certainly in the Navy with regard to COVID-19, (is) that stealth, in the form of asymptomatic transmission, is this adversary’s secret power,” he told reporters. “And so we recognize that despite really our best efforts, we’re going to have to learn how to operate with the virus.”

[Valkorado]

And now for this...

Coronavirus inmate release leaves LA in 'uncharted territory,' sheriff says about potential surge in crime

4,276 in LA area since Feb. 28  
 
https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-inmate-release-los-angeles-california-sheriff-crime-potential-surge

“What’s going to happen is some of them are not going to go back to court, they’re gonna go to warrants to speak, for failure to appear,” he said Monday. “People who are not in jail are losing their jobs, much less those that didn’t have a job, to begin with, and are out on the streets, we’re now adding to the mix, it’s uncharted territory that we’re headed into.”

“The longer we’re in a lockdown,” he said, “the more we’re playing with fire.”

Remember this is California where it's OK for them to rob you for $1000 or less because the cop's don't have time to deal with such pretty rowdiness!      

[..]

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/04/new_york_city_adds_4000_to_its_wuhan_virus_dead_by_recategorizing_deaths.html

[Skinhead]

So I notice this site no longer lists recovered numbers:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

[Serk]

So I notice this site no longer lists recovered numbers:
https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

On the "Total Deaths" area, there's a -> to the right of Deaths, click it and you get the Total Recovered numbers.

[Skinhead]

Thanks. (they changed the layout, threw me off.)

[..]

https://thehill.com/homenews/state-watch/492928-dc-extends-stay-at-home-order-through-may-15

[..]

Coming to a state near you???

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8222527/Cuomo-orders-New-Yorkers-wear-face-masks-public.html

[Valkorado]

And now this...  

China May Have Conducted Nuclear Test Blasts, Says US State Department

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-may-be-conducting-secret-nuclear-tests-state-department-warns/ar-BB12H048

https://www.inquisitr.com/6000230/china-nuclear-tests/

https://news.yahoo.com/state-department-reportedly-concerned-china-180916565.html

The State Department of the United States released a report on Wednesday that suggested that China may have secretly conducted a series of low-level nuclear test explosions. If true, the tests would be in direct violation of an international pact that prohibits the practice.

A "low-level"  nuclear blast is exactly what is required for an EMP attack.   I sure hope our boys have a laser focus on the  ChiComs right now...

NO EMPs,  please!

[Jersey mike]

Worth a read. What else do you have to do???

https://dnyuz.com/2020/04/14/im-an-e-r-doctor-in-new-york-none-of-us-will-ever-be-the-same/

Curious, can anyone (Other than Willow) who's read the entirety of that writeup honestly say they had dry eyes the entire time? I'm still not through, but damn it's hard.....

(And I only single out Willow not in spite, but because your..... empathy..... has been impacted in some ways medically, not as an insult.)

I was able to read without tearing - but I read at a speed most people find impossible to believe . And that's at slow speed....

I read this article, took my time, didn’t get choked up, the write certainly put some good skill into it, tried to paint a very good picture. Unfortunately what got me was there was no discussion on medication being used...anywhere, whether talking about Italy or the US. Would have been good information, insight and direct knowledge if the hydroxychloroquine, ZPak , Zinc and IV Vitamin C were being used and the response rate.