Coronavirus $hit be getting real

[Robert]

Robert, you'll love this guy!  I did.

Tucker interviews NYC tailor Eliot Rabin 4-27-20

https://streamable.com/mu5wmy

You are so right, that was just great and I'm glad you posted it. 

Finally fed up and the police did not even do anything.

When he described his illnesses and then said I'm still vertical, I thought that was great.

Rep. Jim Jordan
@Jim_Jordan
·
12h
Attorney General Barr’s Memo to U.S. Attorneys:

“The Constitution is not suspended in times of crisis.”

The Attorney General is right. We can’t forget freedom during the #coronavirus crisis.

[Valkorado]

Robert, you'll love this guy!  I did.

Tucker interviews NYC tailor Eliot Rabin 4-27-20

https://streamable.com/mu5wmy

You are so right, that was just great and I'm glad you posted it. 

Finally fed up and the police did not even do anything.

When he described his illnesses and then said I'm still vertical, I thought that was great.

Rep. Jim Jordan
@Jim_Jordan
·
12h
Attorney General Barr’s Memo to U.S. Attorneys:

“The Constitution is not suspended in times of crisis.”

The Attorney General is right. We can’t forget freedom during the #coronavirus crisis.

He also had tried to get monies through the gubmint to keep afloat and was unsuccessful.   Gotta do what ya gotta do.   I'm glad the police were human beings.

[Robert]

He also had tried to get monies through the gubmint to keep afloat and was unsuccessful.   Gotta do what ya gotta do.   I'm glad the police were human beings.

I applied and after 3 attempts to submit the forms to my bank and the SBA got a note saying all forms in, your good to go, no money now. This is after figuring out the program they want you to submit the forms on and over a period of time also. Then when Congress approved more money got a note saying all paper work not in. Didn't say what paperwork though, so found one piece of paper that was optional and sent it to them and got another note saying your good to go no money. Then another note saying will submit to SBA when things open up.

 When this all opened up I was one of the first that got through to apply to the SBA and the bank. I actually had to apply to the bank on my phone since a link that was sent to me would not work with the computers, what a PIA.

I know some who got the money but most truly small businesses, the ones that it was intended for didn't get anything. The ones that actually got it were the businesses with multi million dollar businesses from what I have found. Supposedly I heard that there was 710 million that public companies were going to give back but some are going to hold on to it. I even heard one guy who did let go of his employees is going to keep the money and bank it.

I can tell you that most small businesses owners that I have talked to including myself are paying their employees out of their own pockets. A Dealership in Tampa had 81 mechanics and let go of 79 of them and this I have also heard from other dealerships.

I know so many more people that were let go from their positions that people that died of Covid.



For anyone waiting for unemployment here is a tweet from the president:

Donald J. Trump Retweeted
Donald J. Trump
@realDonaldTrump
·
Apr 27
Blame the Democrats for any “lateness” in your Enhanced Unemployment Insurance. I wanted the money to be paid directly, they insisted it be paid by states for distribution. I told them this would happen, especially with many states which have old computers.

End

I know many are still waiting for it.

It just pisses me off no end that Pelosi speaks from her kitchen with 2, 25k refrigerators, custom made island with a counter top that was expensive,  Dishing out ice cream at 35 dollars a tub and gives a bunch of bs. All the while she never lost a paycheck and has her medical plan paid for.

While I have been blessed and am not worried about this downturn she is supposed to be government worker looking out for the good of the people and she is so far out of touch and has no sympathy for anyone.

[3fan4life]

If he winds up needing a good lawyer, maybe Oss can take him on as a client.

[Robert]

Thanks to Governor DeSantis, Florida has ramped up testing, hospitalizations remain low and the state is on a path to safely re-open the economy. Gov. DeSantis highlighted these points last week while talking to Fox News host Sean Hannity.

 "People were predicting us to be worse than New York, like another Italy, they said that this week, one of the

newspapers in Florida said we would have 464,000 people hospitalized. The actual number is 2,200.

So, we beat that by 462,000. But, what we did very early was focus on the populations who are most at risk: Our senior citizens, and particularly our nursing homes and assisted living facilities." ~~ Gov. Ron DeSantis, April 22, 2020

[Valkorado]

 

[Serk]

No one should be allowed to drive again until there are no fatal accidents for 14 consecutive days. Then we can slowly begin to phase in certain classes of people who can begin driving again, but at only half the posted speed limit.

...makes sense to me!

[Valkorado]

No one should be allowed to drive again until there are no fatal accidents for 14 consecutive days. Then we can slowly begin to phase in certain classes of people who can begin driving again, but at only half the posted speed limit.

...makes sense to me!

At that point should we also allow people who are unlicensed,  have never operated a motor vehicle before and may be under the influence or have preventative medical conditions to share our roads?

Or would my being against that make me panicked?

[Serk]

No one should be allowed to drive again until there are no fatal accidents for 14 consecutive days. Then we can slowly begin to phase in certain classes of people who can begin driving again, but at only half the posted speed limit.

...makes sense to me!

At that point should we also allow people who are unlicensed,  have never operated a motor vehicle before and may be under the influence or have preventative medical conditions to share our roads?

Or would my being against that make me panicked?

Being a pretty hard core libertarian, yes we should. But that's a whole other kettle of fish... 

[Valkorado]

 

No one should be allowed to drive again until there are no fatal accidents for 14 consecutive days. Then we can slowly begin to phase in certain classes of people who can begin driving again, but at only half the posted speed limit.

...makes sense to me!

At that point should we also allow people who are unlicensed,  have never operated a motor vehicle before and may be under the influence or have preventative medical conditions to share our roads?

Or would my being against that make me panicked?

[/quote]

Being a pretty hard core libertarian, yes we should. But that's a whole other kettle of fish...  
[/quote]

   

[Robert]

 

Sound like a winning combination to me

[Valkorado]

Another trivial complication.

'Food supply chain is breaking,' Tyson Foods chairman says

www.foxnews.com/food-drink/food-supply-chain-breaking-tyson-foods-chairman-claims-plant-coronavirus-closures

Dang, I sure wish the media would quit making up all these fake stories!

Not breaking down completely, but, there have been news stories on 4-6 meat packing plants having to close because their  plant became a COVID -19 hotspot. Included were Smithfield's major bacon  plant (get your bacon before it's gone or at least jumps in price ).

Look how many plant there are in the top 100 companies

https://www.provisioneronline.com/2018-top-100-meat-and-poultry-processors

President Trump, looking out for us carnivores!

https://www.ajc.com/news/breaking-president-trump-signing-order-require-meat-plants-stay-open-during-covid/rKvkjpwZsCNo3lpTsQIrYO/

[..]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-8265375/Quest-Diagnostics-makes-COVID-19-antibody-test-available-online.html

[Valkorado]

Ok, anyone who tells me C19 doesn't devastate the body hasn't seen this lovely Iranian gal.  She got it, now look!

Before and after

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/17/middleeast/iran-celebrity-coronavirus-scli-intl/index.html

Yes joking. But OMG, why?

[carolinarider09]

Don't know if this has been referenced before.  Just say it on The Hill.

"CDC recommends social distancing for pets after some test positive for coronavirus

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is recommending people follow the same social distancing guidelines with their pets as they would human family members after a small number of animals, including dogs and cats, were reportedly infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. "

Have not verified it from another source.  

You know I am really beginning to get angry with the CDC and the WHO.  Really angry.

If they had their way (CDC and the WHO) we will be "social distancing" forever, just like Dr. Fauci wanted us to.  

When is enough, enough.  

As for me, my dog will be treated as always and allowed to play with other dogs.  She does not get as much of a chance today as she did in months past but....   It will continue.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/494973-cdc-recommends-social-distancing-for-pets

[Valkorado]

Beautiful dog!   You should put her in a mask before she goes out sniffing butts.  Or not.

[Moonshot_1]

The CDC will be recommending proximity collars for pets. Pets get to close and ZAP!

[Jess from VA]

I just read about the first confirmed dog infection today.  (Cats, a while back)

I found a snake today and made sure not to let him breath on me.

And on this subject, wouldn't it be peachy if mosquitoes could carry this crap?  (they've carried other crap)

[98valk]

I've posted from the beginning this has been a plan to get certain agendas through, make trump look bad, etc., etc.

https://thehill.com/opinion/healthcare/494034-the-data-are-in-stop-the-panic-and-end-the-total-isolation

Fact 1: The overwhelming majority of people do not have any significant risk of dying from COVID-19.

The recent Stanford University antibody study now estimates that the fatality rate if infected is likely 0.1 to 0.2 percent, a risk far lower than previous World Health Organization estimates that were 20 to 30 times higher and that motivated isolation policies. 

In New York City, an epicenter of the pandemic with more than one-third of all U.S. deaths, the rate of death for people 18 to 45 years old is 0.01 percent, or 10 per 100,000 in the population. On the other hand, people aged 75 and over have a death rate 80 times that. For people under 18 years old, the rate of death is zero per 100,000.

Of all fatal cases in New York state, two-thirds were in patients over 70 years of age; more than 95 percent were over 50 years of age; and about 90 percent of all fatal cases had an underlying illness. Of 6,570 confirmed COVID-19 deaths fully investigated for underlying conditions to date, 6,520, or 99.2 percent, had an underlying illness. If you do not already have an underlying chronic condition, your chances of dying are small, regardless of age. And young adults and children in normal health have almost no risk of any serious illness from COVID-19.

Fact 2: Protecting older, at-risk people eliminates hospital overcrowding.

We can learn about hospital utilization from data from New York City, the hotbed of COVID-19 with more than 34,600 hospitalizations to date. For those under 18 years of age, hospitalization from the virus is 0.01 percent, or 11 per 100,000 people; for those 18 to 44 years old, hospitalization is 0.1 percent. Even for people ages 65 to 74, only 1.7 percent were hospitalized. Of 4,103 confirmed COVID-19 patients with symptoms bad enough to seek medical care, Dr. Leora Horwitz of NYU Medical Center concluded "age is far and away the strongest risk factor for hospitalization." Even early WHO reports noted that 80 percent of all cases were mild, and more recent studies show a far more widespread rate of infection and lower rate of serious illness. Half of all people testing positive for infection have no symptoms at all. The vast majority of younger, otherwise healthy people do not need significant medical care if they catch this infection.

[Robert]

Don't know if this has been referenced before.  Just say it on The Hill.

"CDC recommends social distancing for pets after some test positive for coronavirus

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is recommending people follow the same social distancing guidelines with their pets as they would human family members after a small number of animals, including dogs and cats, were reportedly infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. "

Have not verified it from another source.  

You know I am really beginning to get angry with the CDC and the WHO.  Really angry.

If they had their way (CDC and the WHO) we will be "social distancing" forever, just like Dr. Fauci wanted us to.  

When is enough, enough.  

As for me, my dog will be treated as always and allowed to play with other dogs.  She does not get as much of a chance today as she did in months past but....   It will continue.

Most illnesses do not cross over between human and animal, but the fact that the Covid came from bats means its already an animal virus. That is the problem it was mutated and changed to infect humans. So knowing this they supposedly have checked animals and found it in them. We don't really know the extent though and we dont know if this is the a natural thing or due to the mutation of the virus.

When Covid  first came out many were saying that it may go away because most animal illnesses that do jump to humans usually die off since that it was not designed that way.

The real problem through this whole thing is there is no real factual knowledge of Covid so they are left to speculate and that has caused the problem we have today.

Many reports of so many dying in China led to the lock down, now we find its not as bad as the flu they don't want to open up and give up authority. A few questions still are unknown like the true death toll in China and why. Because what we are seeing is in no way a reason to lock down the nations of the world.

Great looking dog, I sure do miss mine.

[Robert]

I just read about the first confirmed dog infection today.  (Cats, a while back)

I found a snake today and made sure not to let him breath on me.

And on this subject, wouldn't it be peachy if mosquitoes could carry this crap?  (they've carried other crap)

 

Fyi I found an article that said that mosquitoes do not transmitt the virus, do I believe it, maybe.

[Robert]

Ok, anyone who tells me C19 doesn't devastate the body hasn't seen this lovely Iranian gal.  She got it, now look!

Yes joking. But OMG, why?

Could you imagine coming home from work like normal and all of a sudden seeing that unprepared? 

[..]

Don't know if this has been referenced before.  Just say it on The Hill.

"CDC recommends social distancing for pets after some test positive for coronavirus

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) is recommending people follow the same social distancing guidelines with their pets as they would human family members after a small number of animals, including dogs and cats, were reportedly infected with the virus that causes COVID-19. "

Have not verified it from another source.  

You know I am really beginning to get angry with the CDC and the WHO.  Really angry.

If they had their way (CDC and the WHO) we will be "social distancing" forever, just like Dr. Fauci wanted us to.  

When is enough, enough.  

As for me, my dog will be treated as always and allowed to play with other dogs.  She does not get as much of a chance today as she did in months past but....   It will continue.

https://thehill.com/policy/healthcare/494973-cdc-recommends-social-distancing-for-pets

If your pet has it and hasn't been around other animals where did it get it from?

You or another human?

[hubcapsc]

if your pet has it and hasn't been around other animals where did it get it from?
You or another human?


I must have seen this on NBC nightly news, which I expose myself to sometimes
if I happen to be inside at 6:30, so take it with a grain of salt... pets get it from
people, not the other way around...

-Mike

[..]

https://news.usni.org/2020/04/28/uss-kidd-arrives-in-san-diego-to-treat-covid-19-outbreak-first-cases-emerged-more-than-a-month-after-hawaii-port-visit

[carolinarider09]

Thanks for the positive comments on Zoe.

 She is a German Shepard Poddle mix.  Good dog, friendly with people and also lets us know when someone or something is approaching. 

The other day she starting barking at a car that was parked on the side of the road at the front of our property.  It had broken down and was empty.  However she noticed it and sounded the alarm.

What amazes me to some degree is that she seems to easily notice differences.  The car for one, a large pine branch on the road to the back of the property.  Neither of those emitted smells (well maybe but a pine branch??) or were moving.  It was just different. 

[..]

They do want to watch.


https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2020/04/29/national/japanese-government-release-coronavirus-contact-tracing-app-may/

[carolinarider09]

A tracking App.... So, do you have to voluntarily download it onto your device?   Can you not purchase a so called "burner phone" and not be tracked?   

If the App is "mandated" as part of some governments "oversight" requirements can you easily defeat it?

Ok.  There are two answers.  The first is a cellphone jammer (guess where they are made, you got it China).  But, even though they appear to be widely available on the web (I just searched) they are also illegal according to the FCC. 

https://www.fcc.gov/general/jamming-cell-phones-and-gps-equipment-against-law

So I can't install one in my home or car  to prevent unwanted access??? 

Ok, so the FCC says jammers are not legal.  What else can you do, if you don't want to be tracked?  Turns out Amazon sells a "bag".  "Mission Darkness Non-Window Faraday Bag for Phones - Device Shielding for Law Enforcement, Military, Executive Privacy, Travel & Data Security, Anti-Hacking & Anti-Tracking Assurance" 

$23.00


https://www.amazon.com/Mission-Darkness-Non-Window-Faraday-Phones/dp/B01A7MACL2?ref_=fsclp_pl_dp_1

So, you put your device in the bag and take it out only when you want to use it or check for messages.  Then they will know where you are but not where you have been.  Mission Accomplished.

[Valkorado]

Gilead drug proves effective against coronavirus in US study

http://apnews.com/b894f3b39f6915dcc3cc402438deaf0b

[carolinarider09]

I did a search on "slippery slope" and "loose our freedom" and did not find a recent reference. 

So,,,,

I trust everyone has seen how easy it was to lose one's freedom of choice and those freedoms inshrined to use by the United States Constitution. 

It took one decree and with in a week we were all in lock down. 

Now, getting back to normal has been suggested to be impossible. 

We have been told this might be the new normal.  So, just get use to it. 

You see how easy it was.  Just a simple thing, the fear of the unknown. 

[3fan4life]

Gilead drug proves effective against coronavirus in US study

http://apnews.com/b894f3b39f6915dcc3cc402438deaf0b

I find it amazing that Dr Fauci and the CDC can't bring themselves to recommend the Hydroxychloroquine, Zithromax, Zinc cocktail on the basis that it hasn't been proven.

Even though these drugs have been around and in use for decades.

But, they are willing to endorse an unproven/experimental drug.

I smell a big fat kick back from big Pharma. 

[..]

Please READ all of this. Ignore the politics.

https://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2020/04/remember_the_hong_kong_flu.html

[98valk]

Gilead drug proves effective against coronavirus in US study

http://apnews.com/b894f3b39f6915dcc3cc402438deaf0b

I find it amazing that Dr Fauci and the CDC can't bring themselves to recommend the Hydroxychloroquine, Zithromax, Zinc cocktail on the basis that it hasn't been proven.

Even though these drugs have been around and in use for decades.

But, they are willing to endorse an unproven/experimental drug.

I smell a big fat kick back from big Pharma. 

look up the millions fauci and birx made with their HIV doom and gloom. still no cure.  he needed a last hooray before he retires, so he broke the law and him and obama gave millions to the chinese to continue his research with COV-19 which our govt stopped him from doing.  this is all well documented.

[Valkorado]

Gilead drug proves effective against coronavirus in US study

http://apnews.com/b894f3b39f6915dcc3cc402438deaf0b

I find it amazing that Dr Fauci and the CDC can't bring themselves to recommend the Hydroxychloroquine, Zithromax, Zinc cocktail on the basis that it hasn't been proven.

Even though these drugs have been around and in use for decades.

But, they are willing to endorse an unproven/experimental drug.

I smell a big fat kick back from big Pharma.  

I think they should look at them all, clinically test them all, and decide what's best.   This stuff was first developed in  2007, so it's not newly created for C19.

https://www.cpr.org/2020/04/29/drug-tested-in-colorado-shows-promise-in-shortening-coronavirus-symptoms/

https://www.yourtango.com/2020332699/what-remdesivir-experimental-drug-treat-coronavirus

It looks very promising.   They are saying it "works".   If that's the case,  who cares who takes the credit for recommending it?

[Valkorado]

WHO: Sweden, which avoided mass coronavirus lockdowns, should be 'model' for the world

https://www.foxnews.com/world/who-sweden-which-avoided-mass-coronavirus-lockdowns-should-be-model-for-the-world

[3fan4life]

It looks very promising.   They are saying it "works".   If that's the case,  who cares who takes the credit for recommending it?

It's not about who gets the credit, It's about who gets the kickbacks.

New drugs make a lot more money than ones that have been around for decades.

They always say that if you want to know the truth, "Follow The Money".

[carolinarider09]

"WHO: Sweden, which avoided mass coronavirus lockdowns, should be 'model' for the world"

Today,  if someone from the WHO said it was raining outside, you can bet I would go check and then see if they were selling umbrellas.

It has been proven that the WHO is biased and unreliable   Just look at who is now in power at the WHO.

General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus -

I have not had time to fact check all these references - but you can bet were there is this much smoke there is fire.

https://conservativeus.com/who-director-was-top-member-of-violent-ethiopian-communist-party-which-was-listed-as-a-terrorist-organization-by-the-u-s-government/ 

https://ecadforum.com/2017/04/23/dr-tedros-adhanom-is-an-individual-suspected-of-a-crime-against-humanity/

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/04/04/the-crimes-of-tedros-adhanom/

https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/03/20/803121/

https://www.westernjournal.com/no-wonder-covered-china-director-prominent-member-communist-party/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/breaking-who-director-general-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus-was-reportedly-ranking-member-of-terrorist-organization-and-china-puppet/

And of course there is this one 

https://moneyinc.com/tedros-adhanom/

[Valkorado]

"WHO: Sweden, which avoided mass coronavirus lockdowns, should be 'model' for the world"

Today,  if someone from the WHO said it was raining outside, you can bet I would go check and then see if they were selling umbrellas.

It has been proven that the WHO is biased and unreliable   Just look at who is now in power at the WHO.

General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus -

I have not had time to fact check all these references - but you can bet were there is this much smoke there is fire.

https://conservativeus.com/who-director-was-top-member-of-violent-ethiopian-communist-party-which-was-listed-as-a-terrorist-organization-by-the-u-s-government/  

https://ecadforum.com/2017/04/23/dr-tedros-adhanom-is-an-individual-suspected-of-a-crime-against-humanity/

https://www.theburningplatform.com/2020/04/04/the-crimes-of-tedros-adhanom/

https://www.redstate.com/elizabeth-vaughn/2020/03/20/803121/

https://www.westernjournal.com/no-wonder-covered-china-director-prominent-member-communist-party/

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2020/03/breaking-who-director-general-tedros-adhanom-ghebreyesus-was-reportedly-ranking-member-of-terrorist-organization-and-china-puppet/

And of course there is this one  

https://moneyinc.com/tedros-adhanom/

 

I think Tedros is a huge dick, too.

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,109640.msg1107225.html#msg1107225

If you read the article you'll see that Dr. Mike Ryan is praising Sweden's no lockdown response, not condemning it.

[carolinarider09]

It does not matter.  It came from the World Health Organization.  They are corrupt, so, good or bad you cannot take anything they say with anything but skepticism. 

Again,  If the WHO said it was raining outside, I'd go check and then go see who was selling umbrellas. 

Maybe in some future time, they might be considered a reliable source. 

[Valkorado]

It does not matter. It came from the World Health Organization.  They are corrupt, so, good or bad you cannot take anything they say with anything but skepticism.  

Again,  If the WHO said it was raining outside, I'd go check and then go see who was selling umbrellas.  

Maybe in some future time, they might be considered a reliable source.  

Well, heck.  I wasn't going to reply to this, but it does kinda matter.  I honestly write this with consideration and respect...

I posted the article because we've been discussing and watching Sweden closely on this thread.  I thought the article was significant because it seems to imply that, despite having not mandated an official lockdown, Sweden is having some good success with their numbers.  I honestly thought most here would appreciate this.

I'm fairly certain you saw the title and made up your mind the WHO was saying the opposite about Sweden so you didn't read the article. Or you just didn't read it because you saw WHO in the title.  Then you got frustrated at the mailman for delivering unrequested junk mail.

This is essentially part of the problem. We get such tunnel vision that we sometimes fail to see that there is truth lying in the periphery.   Note I said we.  It happens to all of us, myself included.

As an example.  If a source you consider very reliable used the exact same data as the WHO used in the above review but instead concluded that Sweden has done a terrible job handling COVID and strict lockdown would have been the best thing for them, would you have been more inclined to believe that source?   ???

Great ride today, new Iridium plugs in the Bullet.  The old NGKs looked fine, but apparently weren't up to par.  Slapped in some new 123 viton rings in the intakes too.  Now she's quick as a wink, and she don't stink!