God

[Jabba]

I came into this thread, of my own free will.  No one here, IMO is forcing anything on me.  

For me, the Bible is a book, written by men.  As is the Koran and Tora and any other religious book you want to hold up.  I think there are a lot of good moral teachings in it.  I do not belive it LITERALLY.  

That said... I also do not trust man to do what's right, WITHOUT the hammer of God hovering over their heads.  I do what's right, because it's RIGHT.  Some other people do too, but not enough to make society function without it.

Also... I am definitely NOT offended by God on my money, in the Pledge of Allegiance, or with the 10 Commandments in my courthouse.  That's NOT what separation of church and state is about.  It's about this thread...  the ability of one to choose to believe, or not believe, openly, without fear of government reprisal.

Aethism is as much of a religion in THAT regard IMO as ANY religion.    It's THEY who are not tolerant of those who choose to believe, and not tolerant of ANY mention of God in casual life..  To them I say... "get over it".

Jabba

[big turkey]

Thanks for Paticipaiting in this simple Poll.

It is not meant to say one person is better than another.

Or to cause any problems for your existance on this Good Earth we are natives to.

But There is one more question that you may want to consider.

Do you want to know him?




Mark 1:15   "The time is here, and the kingdom of God is at hand. Repent, and believe in the gospel."
1Cor 15:1-4   The gospel is that Jesus Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, that He was buried, and then He was resurrected on the third day.

Romans 4:25-5:2   He was delivered over to death for our sins and then was raised to life to put us right with God. By faith in this, then, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand.

Romans 10:9-11   If you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved. For with your heart you believe and are put right with God, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in Him will never be put to shame."




1 John 1:3-4   That which we have seen and heard we declare to you, that you also may have fellowship with us; and truly our fellowship is with the Father and with His Son Jesus Christ. We write these things to you that your joy may be full.




Grace or Unmerited favor is what you will enjoy.

Peace beyond all understanding.

A future.

Beyond this life.

Guess what the price is?

It's Free.


So no one can Glory in the Fact that they are ever Gonna be good enough to attain this on thier own.

Born Again means to Born of God.

Just as Jesus was in the Old Gospel Story.

No you don't go back in the Womb.

It is Spritual and Happens in the Blink of an Eye , after you have asked him into your heart and confessed with your mouth.

Give it some thought and you will know when it is time.

It's real and I can only tell you this as a witness, who has been blessed with this wonderful Gift.

Thanks

Big Al

[SANDMAN5]

Do you want to know him?

Already do!!! This is what I was talking about...spreading the good news
without forcing anything on anybody.

[Jack]

Maybe we should run a survey on how many believe in the the tooth fairy, santa, and the easter bunny?

[Revalator]

I came into this thread, of my own free will.  No one here, IMO is forcing anything on me.  

For me, the Bible is a book, written by men.  As is the Koran and Tora and any other religious book you want to hold up.  I think there are a lot of good moral teachings in it.  I do not belive it LITERALLY.  

That said... I also do not trust man to do what's right, WITHOUT the hammer of God hovering over their heads.  I do what's right, because it's RIGHT.  Some other people do too, but not enough to make society function without it.

Also... I am definitely NOT offended by God on my money, in the Pledge of Allegiance, or with the 10 Commandments in my courthouse.  That's NOT what separation of church and state is about.  It's about this thread...  the ability of one to choose to believe, or not believe, openly, without fear of government reprisal.

Aethism is as much of a religion in THAT regard IMO as ANY religion.    It's THEY who are not tolerant of those who choose to believe, and not tolerant of ANY mention of God in casual life..  To them I say... "get over it".

Jabba

Well I disagree with you on one point, the Bible was written by men yes, but they were "led or instrructed" by the Holy spirit on what to write. in my opinon, it is the WORDS OF GOD. But I digress before I start a argument, As one fellow said already, read the bible start in the new testimate, in there God will shbow you the truth

[big turkey]

Hey Revalator, hope I spelled that right.

Your real name is not John is it?

Just a thought.

John the Revalator, I have heard that some where.

Big AL

[Billy]

I would have voted but the poll didn't include the choice of

Yes, not as Unorganized religion says.

[Revalator]

Hey Revalator, hope I spelled that right.

Your real name is not John is it?

Just a thought.

John the Revalator, I have heard that some where.

Big AL

Nope actually its Mark, but I borrowed the revalator from John

[Jabba]

Well I disagree with you on one point, the Bible was written by men yes, but they were "led or instrructed" by the Holy spirit on what to write. in my opinon, it is the WORDS OF GOD. But I digress before I start a argument, As one fellow said already, read the bible start in the new testimate, in there God will shbow you the truth

I have read it.  Not cover to cover.  But a lot.  As well as a lot of other religious books that people claim are of divine origin.  I have a real tough time plowing thru them.  I just can't reconsile all the injustice, and misery in the world with a God that supposedly loves us, but will punish us to an eternity in agony should we not acknowledge his supremacy, and the existence of his only son as our savior.  It just seems too petty to me.

God is not petty.  God KNOWS what's in my heart.  And KNOWS why I do the things I do.  He KNOWS that I am a good person and try hard to do right.  The fact that I have not embraced Jesus matters not to MY God. 

He's not judgemental like the one you describe.

Again, I stress that I don't KNOW the truth... and neither really does ANYONE.  We're all guessing.  The radical Muslim is JUST as sure he's right as you are.
 I am just as sure He's wrong.

Jabba   

[Chrisj CMA]

God KNOWS what's in my heart.  And KNOWS why I do the things I do.  He KNOWS that I am a good person and try hard to do right.  The fact that I have not embraced Jesus matters not to MY God. 
  

It seems petty because you are looking at it as an act of accepting Christ.  If its just an act (going through some motions....religion) then its not faith.  You are right that God knows your heart.  And he certainly says many times in His word that he cares where you stand in regard to Jesus. 

You are a good person, but compared to God the best of man is like filthy rags.....its not good enough.  Its when we get over our pride and admit we arent good enough and that we need Jesus........thats what God wants, not just some cheap sinners prayer, but your whole heart, then its not so petty

Jeff

[Piper]

ok,
 I have a question of my own:

 Why are y'all sitting here discussing what is basically religious existentialist mental masturbation?   
 ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???

There is no correct answer that will fit everybody. 

Words are cheap, actions worth millions.

Y'all should be gettin' closer to your own concept of God, get out and ride.
"Harry Thunderer or Cosmic Muffin" (Deteriorata!)
To misquote Rihanna: "Shut Up and Ride" 

(I am taking a break from replacing the housemate's rotors, calibers, pads, etc....
then gonna ride out and enjoy dinner. How are you gonna ride; today?)

[98valk]

Well I disagree with you on one point, the Bible was written by men yes, but they were "led or instrructed" by the Holy spirit on what to write. in my opinon, it is the WORDS OF GOD. But I digress before I start a argument, As one fellow said already, read the bible start in the new testimate, in there God will shbow you the truth

I have read it.  Not cover to cover.  But a lot.  As well as a lot of other religious books that people claim are of divine origin.  I have a real tough time plowing thru them.  I just can't reconsile all the injustice, and misery in the world with a God that supposedly loves us, but will punish us to an eternity in agony should we not acknowledge his supremacy, and the existence of his only son as our savior.  It just seems too petty to me.

God is not petty.  God KNOWS what's in my heart.  And KNOWS why I do the things I do.  He KNOWS that I am a good person and try hard to do right.  The fact that I have not embraced Jesus matters not to MY God. 

He's not judgemental like the one you describe.

Again, I stress that I don't KNOW the truth... and neither really does ANYONE.  We're all guessing.  The radical Muslim is JUST as sure he's right as you are.
 I am just as sure He's wrong.

Jabba   

Ephesians 2
 1AND YOU [He made alive], when you were dead (slain) by [your] trespasses and sins
    2In which at one time you walked [habitually]. You were following the course and fashion of this world [were under the sway of the tendency of this present age], following the prince of the power of the air. [You were obedient to and under the control of] the [demon] spirit that still constantly works in the sons of disobedience [the careless, the rebellious, and the unbelieving, who go against the purposes of God].

    3Among these we as well as you once lived and conducted ourselves in the passions of our flesh [our behavior governed by our corrupt and sensual nature], obeying the impulses of the flesh and the thoughts of the mind [our cravings dictated by our senses and our dark imaginings]. We were then by nature children of [God's] wrath and heirs of [His] indignation, like the rest of mankind.

    4But God--so rich is He in His mercy! Because of and in order to satisfy the great and wonderful and intense love with which He loved us,

    5Even when we were dead (slain) by [our own] shortcomings and trespasses, He made us alive together in fellowship and in union with Christ; [He gave us the very life of Christ Himself, the same new life with which He quickened Him, for] it is by grace (His favor and mercy which you did not deserve) that you are saved ([a]delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ's salvation).

8For it is by free grace (God's unmerited favor) that you are saved ([c]delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ's salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God;

    9Not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law's demands], lest any man should boast. [It is not the result of what anyone can possibly do, so no one can pride himself in it or take glory to himself.]

[alph]

     In heaven my pegs would never drag and my tires would last forever.
   All bikers would wave and stop to help a brother out.
     And that is what it is all about, helping our brothers
 and sisters out through this life.
                Shortleg[Dave]

….And you won’t get that ass chaffing from riding all day!!

Who made god?

Watch the movie “zeitgeist” and you’ll have a good idea.

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So... if when a child dies... he automatically goes to heaven, would it not be in THEIR best interest to send them there, before they have the chance to screw it up?

I am NOT serious about that arguement, it's ONLY a academic arguement.  But how do you argue against that position?

Jabba

When my son died, he went in a 36”x18”x18” Styrofoam box next to his grandmother.

are you saying that i am unworthy?

Nope, you’re not worthy, that’s why I gave up on god and his religion and started enjoying my life.  I watch porn, drink beer, and do some really disgusting things with my wife!  If I was into dope, I’d probably do that too, but I don’t like spending large amounts of money on that sort of thing ‘cause I like money a lot also!!

By the way, how is this valk related? 

DIVOT wrote a post earlier called “just my opinion”  this is what he was talking about.

[Robert]

Jabba
Without knowing what God and Jesus did for us then having to accept Jesus to be saved does seem arbitrary. But He is has given us a wonderful gift to all that will accept it. Yes if you do not accept it then you are under condemnation. Sin does have consequences just like anything we do or any decision we make. The only thing with sin is it separates us from God, who is without sin. God made us and as God walked with Enoch and Adam and Eve He wants to have a relationship with us. His creation made in His image. Well the problem is sin and mind you God doesn't want us to sin because of a relationship to Him but also because it has consequences. God is for us more than any friend or brother, sister, mother, father and when He sees something that will cause us problems He warns us and if we go ahead and make the decision to not listen then we do pay the price. He still doesn't abandon us but we may not have victory in certain areas in our lives. We all hear people say how can God be so unjust, but He isn't, He provides the blueprint the help and even says I have set before you life and death choose life. This is what we do in accepting the invitation of Jesus as head of our lives. It is a gift from God and from Jesus who had to endure life here on earth the persecution of man and stay faithful to the plan and purpose of God to be able to make a way that we could posses all the gifts that God wants us to have. So God said to Jesus that you have to go to earth become a man divest yourself of all deity and live alone apart from me be crucified die and be buried so that the whole human race whoever accepts you and this gift you will offer will have eternal salvation the forgiveness of sins the gift of the Holy Spirit and a relationship with the Most High God. I cant tell you enough about Jesus, the kindness the love the power the grace the beauty that is the Lord is beyond what the human language can offer for words. The clean feeling when you are forgiven of all your sins you just see the world different.
Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Joh 1:2  He was in the beginning with God.
Joh 1:3  All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being.
Joh 1:4  In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men.
Joh 1:5  The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it.


Rom 5:8  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.
Rom 5:9  Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.
Rom 5:10  For if while we were enemies we were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more, having been reconciled, we shall be saved by His life.

Rom 5:21  so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

[bilks]

Maybe we should run a survey on how many believe in the the tooth fairy, santa, and the easter bunny?

 

I'm a Non- Believer..( seen too much **** in my Military Career).... to me its a logical answer,

 He's not the Messiah. He's a very naughty boy!



watch and digest...

If, the Bible has any relevence - surly these guys are in the back-ground to events 2000 years ago?



To me the evidence stacks up to believe in this guy...!




May your God go with you....!  

[Chrisj CMA]

Well, Al.....this post of yours is at least showing us some folk that we can be in prayer for 

[SANDMAN5]

that’s why I gave up on god and his religion

Of course you know that "God" and "religion" are two vastly
different subjects.

[alph]

Well, Al.....this post of yours is at least showing us some folk that we can be in prayer for 

Thanks, but no thanks!  Please do me a favor, don't waist your time and pray for me!!  Instead, try spending your time in feeding the needy, or educating the ignorant, you'll do more good for mankind!  I’ve never seen any evidence of prayer saving a person, or changing their lives.  I have seen people taking action, and changing the world for the good by their actions, never by prayer.

A man asks one of his two sons to do something, the first one says he’ll do it, but doesn’t, the father asks the other son, he says he won’t do it, but later does, who did the fathers will?  Got the picture.  God doesn’t want you to just pray for people, he wants you to show them you love them, not just “pray” for them, that’s a lazy copout!  “oh jesus, prayed for them as they were going to hell….. isn’t that what you wanted???”  

[SANDMAN5]

I’ve never seen any evidence of prayer saving a person, or changing their lives.

I have.....several times!!!!

[Robert]

Jas 1:22  But prove yourselves doers of the word, and not merely hearers who delude themselves.
Jas 1:23  For if anyone is a hearer of the word and not a doer, he is like a man who looks at his natural face in a mirror;
Jas 1:24  for once he has looked at himself and gone away, he has immediately forgotten what kind of person he was.
Jas 1:25  But one who looks intently at the perfect law, the law of liberty, and abides by it, not having become a forgetful hearer but an effectual doer, this man will be blessed in what he does.
Jas 1:26  If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man's religion is worthless.
Jas 1:27  Pure and undefiled religion in the sight of our God and Father is this: to visit orphans and widows in their distress, and to keep oneself unstained by the world.

[Robert]

Jas 2:1  My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism.
Jas 2:2  For if a man comes into your assembly with a gold ring and dressed in fine clothes, and there also comes in a poor man in dirty clothes,
Jas 2:3  and you pay special attention to the one who is wearing the fine clothes, and say, "You sit here in a good place," and you say to the poor man, "You stand over there, or sit down by my footstool,"
Jas 2:4  have you not made distinctions among yourselves, and become judges with evil motives?
Jas 2:5  Listen, my beloved brethren: did not God choose the poor of this world to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him?
Jas 2:6  But you have dishonored the poor man. Is it not the rich who oppress you and personally drag you into court?
Jas 2:7  Do they not blaspheme the fair name by which you have been called?
Jas 2:8  If, however, you are fulfilling the royal law according to the Scripture, "YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF," you are doing well.
Jas 2:9  But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.
Jas 2:10  For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles in one point, he has become guilty of all.
Jas 2:11  For He who said, "DO NOT COMMIT ADULTERY," also said, "DO NOT COMMIT MURDER." Now if you do not commit adultery, but do commit murder, you have become a transgressor of the law.
Jas 2:12  So speak and so act as those who are to be judged by the law of liberty.
Jas 2:13  For judgment will be merciless to one who has shown no mercy; mercy triumphs over judgment.
Jas 2:14  What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him?
Jas 2:15  If a brother or sister is without clothing and in need of daily food,
Jas 2:16  and one of you says to them, "Go in peace, be warmed and be filled," and yet you do not give them what is necessary for their body, what use is that?
Jas 2:17  Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself.
Jas 2:18  But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works."
Jas 2:19  You believe that God is one. You do well; the demons also believe, and shudder.
Jas 2:20  But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless?
Jas 2:21  Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar?
Jas 2:22  You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected;
Jas 2:23  and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God.
Jas 2:24  You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone.
Jas 2:25  In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way?
Jas 2:26  For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.

[Billy]

Has anyone ever studied the comparative religions that influenced the ancient Jews? There were the  Egyptians for a period who believed in  monotheism. Even earlier with the Mesopotamians and their Epic of Gilgamesh and a story of a great flood and other similarities found in the Torah or Old Testament. The Persian and Zoroastrianism which had enormous influence on later developing religions. And even in fairly modern times, study the  First Council of Nicaea which took place in 325AD where the different early Christian sects got together to form a formal Christian doctrine which has been more or less carried down to the present. Wiki shows that there are 3800 different Christian denominations. And don't forget Christianity's close sister religion, Islam. All interesting stuff for the curious.

[big turkey]

Well, Al.....this post of yours is at least showing us some folk that we can be in prayer for

Pray for them, help them with thier bikes, commune with them, break bread with them,

show a good example to them, explain how to love someone that you do not even like,

There is a multitude of chores to do for mankind and all our friends here.

I hated the Church and just about everthing about it.

But the Word will win you over through the foolishness of preaching and it does not return back void.

The word is doing it's work right now and believe me  some one will see the reapage of this post.

Or Thread.

One to sow, one to water and one to reap the harvest.

Good luck on not becoming a Christian is all I can say, because a lot of you today will meet

up with the Holy Spirit before the week is out. Blessings always come when we least expect them.

Blessed today just putting this on here and listening to all of you talk.

Some folks are searching for answers and others have found a starting point.

Took me a year under heavy conviction before he won me over and I made a decision.

I could have simply said no not right now, but I did not I stepped out on faith. What a happy day.



Big Al

[Jabba]

I like the discussion and different points of view. 

Of course it all comes down to faith.  Quoting bible verses to someone who doesn't buy into the bible being the "word of God" doesn't do any good.  It's not something you can just decide to do.  I have tried... because lets face it.  If I am right and ya'll are wrong... you're still in good shape.  If Ya'll are right, and I am wrong... I am in for a screwin'.  I recognize that, and have tried to believe. 

It just has not come to me, nor do I really believe it will.  I will keep trying though.  And learning.  And reading.  And studying, and listening, and talking, and so on.

Jabba

[Serk]

I like the discussion and different points of view. 

Of course it all comes down to faith.  Quoting bible verses to someone who doesn't buy into the bible being the "word of God" doesn't do any good.  It's not something you can just decide to do.  I have tried... because lets face it.  If I am right and ya'll are wrong... you're still in good shape.  If Ya'll are right, and I am wrong... I am in for a screwin'.  I recognize that, and have tried to believe. 

It just has not come to me, nor do I really believe it will.  I will keep trying though.  And learning.  And reading.  And studying, and listening, and talking, and so on.

Jabba

Dude... Quit summing up my thoughts better than I can!

[big turkey]

Jabba I enjoyed meeting you at Bardstown.

I ain't smart enough to do all you are doing.

He hunted me down like a Deer.

Got me just where he wanted me and said now what are you gonna do.

It was scarry and wonderful at the same time.

It's real Brother, I can't make stuff like this up.

Just a witness is all I am.

Tennessee Red Neck explanation I Know , but it's all True.

Remember don't get in a hurry he will come to you, he will knock on  the door to your heart

one day and all you have to do is open it.

Don't worry about all this, he has it covered. Just be looking out for it, is all.

Big AL

[bilks]

 

Why Copy n' Paste from some old book - Plagiarism!

-----> (Escape the Matrix). Its called Free Thought!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plagiarism

http://www.truthbeknown.com/bible.htm


 

[bigdog99]

i also believe in God.
i know its real because before i accepted, i was on the path to a real life "darkside". i had anger, i felt i could have hurt someone real bad and not thought twice about it. i dont think God will "punish" those that dont choose Him, there are 2 choices, God or the world. it is written that the world will be consumed and no longer exist. is that where i want to be? No. i also know he exists because i have changed my life, accepted to be a foster parent for 9 children belonging to someone else. helping anyone and everyone that i possibly can. i just know that it is a choice for those that really want something better in life, and after life.

i feel that God has allowed me to ride a Valkerie, it is writen that He had Victory over evil, and that He has Triumphed over sin, and until He returns,,, I know he is watching over me while He rides his "BLACK" Valkerie. 

[big turkey]

Magnificent reply Big Dog.

Al

[stormrider]

Al, everybody has a testimony, or story. Some, why they don't believe, and others, why they do. I had a vision, yes sir, like, with my eyes wide open vision; 4th of July, 1976, 200th anneversary of the Declaration of Independance.
Everything we've made consumed by fire, out of the ground and sky. And with the Gulf oil spill, there may be seas burning. Anyway, for the first time in my life I called out to God to help me. A voice spoke and said leave everything and follow me. So, I got out of my brand new car and started running down the road, Governors Boulavard, Tallahasse, FL. Got about a mile, sat down on the side of the road on a hill and someone came up to me and put their arm around my shoulder and said to go home, everything will be okay.
I was walking back to my car, thinking about what had happened, the voices, the vision, ... then as I looked out into the cow pasture and saw the dung on the ground, the voice spoke again, "if you don't turn to me then you will be worth no more than the dung of the earth and your body will be consumed by worms." Pretty scary stuff.
I guess I needed scaring because the loving He had been trying to show me wasn't getting through. Well, there's a lot more to the story, and just want to share, that 36 years later, I'm still trying to learn to listen. Listen to when god speaks, THEN ACT. Problem most of us have is when he speaks we either ignore Him by trying to drown out the voice, or just ignore Him. I've missed some great opportunities to be blessed by not acting on what he speaks and then again, I could fill volumes with how he has blessed me, not only when I have acted but despite myself. And I guess he blesses me anyway because I love Him more than anything this world has to offer. After all, He is the Creator and my Father. 
For the neysayers, if you have the time to send a personal message, I would be glad to share some stories how God has done some miracles in my life, or else I'm pretty pyschic.

[big turkey]

Great Story, sometimes it takes more urging to get a fellows attention.

We both must be pretty hard headed, as I see it anyway.

He actually told me as I was a Motocross Racer at the time.

That kind of sets up what I am about to say.

He told me leave them Dirt Bikes alone.

Well I did not and guess what , went through a lot of pain and missed a lot of Church as well.

Not good, but he did not strike me dead or anything, but I heard the small still voice just the same.



Big AL

[stormrider]

There was a similar thread going on a couple years ago. A friend on here took me up on the personal message thing. We emailed back and forth several times about faith and how to accept Christ. He just quit the board this week. I hope him the best.

[junior]

Al should be sent to the TIME OUT corner for at least 5 posts he has distracted the board from its true intentions..................enjoying the thrills of riding the valk and seeing whats the badest car tire that can be put on the fat chick   

[solo1]

Removed my own post.

[DFragn]

Let's start with the first & largest misnomer, "The Beginning", of the Bible and resort to fact and science. Heaven and earth created in 7 days!?!
How about billions of years instead ! That's proven - well as close to accurate as current science permits.

WAR - Why are so many wars in history & current based to some degree if not fully on religions beliefs, why through them are so many people needlessly slaughtered?

Why is it so many people need to believe in their god just to believe in themselves?

Why has the human race from the beginning needed to believe in some sort of god for scientific reasons they couldn't yet explain.

To post my understandings would start a war.

If this planet survives long enough with religion along with the human race, religion will phase itself out.

Then what is BigAl to do with his time?

Admin: Boot me off please. Religion / Politics ! At least politics are tangible!!! But, hey, aren't they usually based on religion?

[98valk]

Let's start with the first & largest misnomer, "The Beginning", of the Bible and resort to fact and science. Heaven and earth created in 7 days!?!
How about billions of years instead ! That's proven - well as close to accurate as current science permits.

Your statement is incorrect and based on false/junk science and assumptions made by researchers who want to keep their funding.
Remember Karl Marx, once wrote that, the goal of the Communists was to quote,. ” enter into men’s minds and cast God down from his throne.”


http://www.earthage.org/youngearthev/evidence_for_a_young_earth.htm

In the pages that follow we discuss 22 clocks, or indicators that the Earth and Universe are young.  Or to say it another way: there is a LOT of scientific evidence that suggests the Earth is perhaps only thousands of years old, and that the 4.5 billion year age that evolution-believing "scientists" have LOUDLY proclaimed -- over and over -- is incorrect.


http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/topic/young-age-evidence

■Comets and the Age of the Solar System (Technical)
■Kuiper Belt objects and the short-period comets “dilemma” (for evolutionists)
Is there evidence that our solar system is only thousands of years old, instead of the millions of years claimed by evolutionists? What about the age of stars?
■Mercury—the tiny planet that causes big problems for evolution

[Robert]

I have made quite a few posts on this because it is important not only to me but to all people. I know there are some that dont think its important. But to all that ask how the world can be in such bad shape and how would God allow it well I how did we allow it? If God were like the government and just legislated His view then we might as well be zombies or at least complain that we have no free will. But we do have free will to follow anything we want to. Jesus says knock and I will answer seek and you will find and I will come in and dine with you. This is a invitation not a command.  I really dont consider anyone that has not took this advice and seek Him as a person with knowledge of any importance. This person talks from a stand point of not knowing. Science investigates and then issues solid papers and theorys about this and that including how the world was formed. Well how many times on this supposed solid fact did they have to recant and change their story. I like how in school that they taught we were decedents from apes and now through DNA they found this is not true. The list goes on and on science is not science and is fallible especially when the theorist was not there picks up a bone and then makes a dinosaur out of a bone the size of a piece of bread, Then call it fact. Science is as much religion as any religion I have seen. You can even go to the new Large Hadron Collider and the Higgs boson and see that all the theory's and changing about how things are formed and why. What I can tell you as a fact about God because I have experienced it is God is real. There is demons and we do have power over them through the power of Jesus. That He still does heal the sick raise the dead and love those that seek a relationship with Him. In  fact He loves even the unsaved and crys when bad things happen to people. His heart is broken more times than we could imaging because like a mother whos son goes astray cry's when that son falls into bad times. I have seen countless lives changed at the acceptance of Jesus including my own. I know He is real that the Holy Spirit is real and all the talk about this happened before is the work of those that are perishing. I have studied on other religions just to see what they say and have to offer. I dont like religion christian or otherwise but I do value my relationship to the Lord. Why Jesus was the biggest rebel you would ever want to know. He  was so against religion that He called the temple priests white washed tombs. If there had been bikes in those days I kinda wonder if He would have rode one. There will be a judgment day and there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when some find out what the real deal is. I say live your life enjoy it because even angles long to look into this thing called life.what a gift what a challenge to live each day walking with the Lord and seeing what He has for each one of us. There is a plan and purpose to each ones life and really no one is complete till they achieve that spot that God has put into their hearts. He is the only one that can rewrite the very intentions of someones heart. I have not seen anyone be able to do that. I can go on but those that will listen already know and the one that dont know wont want to listen so I just like all things leave this to God to reveal Himself to all this day while there is still time. To all that would continue in this post I would make a slight reminder of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man wanted to warn his family and friends about what awaited them and Jesus told them they had the prophets and even if one was raised from the dead they would not believe.

[SANDMAN5]

Couple more thoughts. Quoting Bible scriptures here is not plagiarism.
It also may not be intended for someone that doesn't believe, only
showing why/what the poster believes.
 bilks says that he saw too much during his "service" to believe in God.
Somebody's gonna have to explain that.....don't make no sense!!! Also,
his profile mentions money as being evil. Wrong. Money is neither good
nor evil....but it can be used for either one.
 God doesn't start "religious wars", people do. Jesus even said "You have
made the Word of God of none effect by your (religious) traditions."
 Trust science or trust God.....I'll take God EVERY time. You make your
own decision. God has never been proved wrong, science has.   

[DFragn]

God has never been proved wrong, science has.   

Just my point. Thanks for making it relevant.

Science is flawed and with the help of smarter people then you or I is corrected or adjusted in time.

Belief in god is also flawed, but never corrected. Just look at all the many different "versions" of  a god & belief and of course the extreme factions entire countries follow. If it weren't for religion [with so many highly varying versions] this planet would likely be more peaceful.

Have your faith. All who do. It's your choice. But it doesn't belong [nor do politics] on an MC board. And, if you think it does deserve a right consider a heavily atheist thread topic involving primarily non god believing members. Your not going to want to see that, are you? But it would have to remain because posts such as this one are allowed to remain.

Majority - Minority. It simply doesn't matter. It doesn't belong here and it's acceptance to wit is unacceptable.

There are Religious boards and Political boards available why don't y'all use 'em. Instead of the occasional post like this one whereas the poster is fully aware of what it brings to the table as he clicks the "Post" button.

IMO BigAl has been testing the waters religiously here and his religious posts have been escalating from tepid to warmer. How much further does it go?  He knows very well what he's doing and that's considered godly, or god loving or fearing...that to me is weak.

[Robert]

In fact quoting the Bible is the way that Jesus rebuked the devil on the mount. He said it is written directly quoting the written word of God, and whats even more amazing so did the devil. The difference was the context, how subtle is a lie from the enemy. Dont let the enemy rob you of the strength of the word of God. Micheal when rebuking the devil said the Lord rebuke you. Scripture is for Quoting,teaching,reproof, instruction, and for conformation. No words are stronger than the one that the Lord has uttered. It is filled with power and true!
Jud 1:9  But Michael the archangel, when he disputed with the devil and argued about the body of Moses, did not dare pronounce against him a railing judgment, but said, "The Lord rebuke you!"
Mat 4:1  Then Jesus was led up by the Spirit into the wilderness to be tempted by the devil.
Mat 4:2  And after He had fasted forty days and forty nights, He then became hungry.
Mat 4:3  And the tempter came and said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, command that these stones become bread."
Mat 4:4  But He answered and said, "It is written, 'MAN SHALL NOT LIVE ON BREAD ALONE, BUT ON EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS OUT OF THE MOUTH OF GOD.'"
Mat 4:5  Then the devil *took Him into the holy city and had Him stand on the pinnacle of the temple,
Mat 4:6  and *said to Him, "If You are the Son of God, throw Yourself down; for it is written, 'HE WILL COMMAND HIS ANGELS CONCERNING YOU'; and 'ON their HANDS THEY WILL BEAR YOU UP, SO THAT YOU WILL NOT STRIKE YOUR FOOT AGAINST A STONE.'"
Mat 4:7  Jesus said to him, "On the other hand, it is written, 'YOU SHALL NOT PUT THE LORD YOUR GOD TO THE TEST.'"

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