Ferguson Grand Jury

[Patrick]

There is now talk about [ or looking into] charging Browns stepfather with inciting a riot. 

I would add that to my list of good things.

[bigguy]

This is highly offensive to wolves..... Wolves at least are honorable in so much as you know where you stand with them, they don't pretend to be something they're not.

My apologies to any offended wolves.  

However I'd point out that this is simply quoting another source, that is generally accepted as pretty authoritative.

[MAD6Gun]

 I got a picture the other day on facebook. cant get it to post here but its says..


Calling Al Sharpton a "Reverend" is like calling Jeffery Dahmer a Chef...


thought that was funny.

[Patrick]

Not to change the subject, but, remember what jeffrey dahmer asked lorena bobbitt ?









' You gonna eat that ? '





OK, now back to our original broadcast.

[Willow]

This is highly offensive to wolves..... Wolves at least are honorable in so much as you know where you stand with them, they don't pretend to be something they're not.

Apparently, Serk, you've not been stalked by or watched the stalking of a wolf.  At times they do put forth great effort to conceal both what and where they are.

A wolf is what a wolf is.  Sharpton and Jackson and many others like them are what they have chosen to be.  We humans have choice.   

[Patrick]

A 32 yr old legal Bosnian immigrant was just pulled from his car and beaten to death with hammers by at least 4 teenagers near Ferguson.

[BF]

A 32 yr old legal Bosnian immigrant was just pulled from his car and beaten to death with hammers by at least 4 teenagers near Ferguson.

Not a hate crime.  Nothing to see here.  Keep moving along. 

[Patrick]

A 32 yr old legal Bosnian immigrant was just pulled from his car and beaten to death with hammers by at least 4 teenagers near Ferguson.

Not a hate crime.  Nothing to see here.  Keep moving along. 

OK

[R J]

A 32 yr old legal Bosnian immigrant was just pulled from his car and beaten to death with hammers by at least 4 teenagers near Ferguson.

Not a hate crime.  Nothing to see here.  Keep moving along.  

OK

Don't really know how true this is as I don't know anyone in Ferguson, MO in an LEO position.

I did receive this from an LEO buddy of mine in Southern Missouri,

WRITTEN BY A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE
 
 
I'm not happy with what happened in Missouri, but this may spread a little light on the area.
We got together with some friends last evening. I had worked at AT&T with one of the guys from 1976 to 1999 and after he retired, he started working for a traffic signal company. He has spent time in Ferguson & said it is as bad or worse there than it is in South Chicago or East St. Louis.
When they worked down there, they only worked from 8AM until about 2PM and while actually working on control boxes they always had to have a couple cops there watching over them for protection from the locals.
That puts a better light on the situation, doesn't it?

[Patrick]

A 32 yr old legal Bosnian immigrant was just pulled from his car and beaten to death with hammers by at least 4 teenagers near Ferguson.

Not a hate crime.  Nothing to see here.  Keep moving along.  

OK

Don't really know how true this is as I don't know anyone in Ferguson, MO in an LEO position.

I did receive this from an LEO buddy of mine in Southern Missouri,

WRITTEN BY A GOOD FRIEND OF MINE
 
 
I'm not happy with what happened in Missouri, but this may spread a little light on the area.
We got together with some friends last evening. I had worked at AT&T with one of the guys from 1976 to 1999 and after he retired, he started working for a traffic signal company. He has spent time in Ferguson & said it is as bad or worse there than it is in South Chicago or East St. Louis.
When they worked down there, they only worked from 8AM until about 2PM and while actually working on control boxes they always had to have a couple cops there watching over them for protection from the locals.
That puts a better light on the situation, doesn't it?

Do we dare profile the 'locals' ?

[G-Man]

A 32 yr old legal Bosnian immigrant was just pulled from his car and beaten to death with hammers by at least 4 teenagers near Ferguson.

4 Undocumented Honor Students???

[Patrick]

I forgot to mention in the previous post about Louis Head [ Browns stepfather ] that he is a 2 time felon for drug dealing and has spent 5 years in prison.  So it appears that 'burn this bitch down' Head has not changed much.
Great environment for a teenager.

[..]

The idiots keep on revealing themselves

http://www.politico.com/story/2014/12/lawmakers-ferguson-hands-up-113254.html

[Bighead]

In that Artical Britman it says we have to come up with a way to break this cycle. Nothing will break this cycle these days because you cannot discipline your kids without being prosecuted for it
I had my ASS whipped almost everyday when young and no not talking abuse here I gaurantee you I deserve every one I got and More! I am proud of everyone I got it made me who I am a PRODUCTIVE LAW ABIDING TAX PAYING CITIZEN

[G-Man]

You have to admit to what the real problem is, but they refuse.  As long as congress people stand on the floor of the house with their hands up (don't shoot), ridiculing the grand jury, ridiculing the prosecutor, and slandering the police by saying they hunt down and kill black young men, THINGS WILL NEVER CHANGE.

And when the mayor of NYC says he fears for his son's life that he may be done in because of police injustice, THINGS WILL NEVER CHANGE.

And when the President of the United States says "The police acted stupidly" for just doing their job, THINGS WILL NEVER CHANGE.

[cokebottle10]

Back in the late 80s and 90s I worked for a company that made bulk packers for tobacco and textiles. I traveled all around the world installing this equipment. On a trip to China in the city of Kunming I had a day off and decided to go for a walk before dinner with a another contractor that was from Richmond VA.

Kunming is a large city in the south of China. At the time westerners were still rare in China. Me at 6’-2” and 300 lb and the guy I was with was about 6 foot and 225 lb. We stood out a little in the crowd.

I have found in my travels that if you treat people like you want to be treated most of the time you will be okay.

We walked about a mile away for the hotel and stopped at some of the local shops. Most people smiling and looking at the funny looking westerners.

When we decided to walk back we chose a different way and went into a different neighborhood. This time there was a feeling that we did not belong there. Not that we felt danger, just were not welcome. We were not doing anything wrong just walking down the street. Still the looks, the peeking from behind windows, the stares.

The guy I was with said that this must be what it feels like for a black man walking in an all white neighborhood. I think that there was a lot of truth in that statement. This was the first and last time that I felt like that. I think that if I felt like that most of the time I would have a chip on my shoulder too. I’m not saying that I know what its like to be black in America, but I do believe that I got a taste of it that day.

Please don't get me wrong. I think the cop did what he was trained to do and acted correctly. I just wish some of our leaders would address the underlying problems. Not not just go for votes by trying to making others look bad.

Thanks, David in Fletcher NC.

[Moonshot_1]

We need to come up with the "Don't assault me! YOU ARE UNDER ARREST Don't assault me!  -BAM BAM BAM"  Gesture.

Or the "Strong Arm Robbery" Gesture.

[G-Man]

The guy I was with said that this must be what it feels like for a black man walking in an all white neighborhood.

Dave, while I agree with everything you said, you too have not touched on the real issue.  The issue is not that a black person feels uncomfortable because of the reaction of others,............ The issue is why do others have that reaction?? 

An asian person, or an indian, person may not get the same looks.  Why is that?

The black and hispanic community make up a rather small percentage of the overall population yet, according to statistics you've heard over and over again, they commit the vast majority of the violent crimes.  Period.  The President of the NYC Taxi and Limo Commission said the same when asked why a black man can't hail a cab late at night.

Every action (good or bad) brings on a reaction (good or bad).  This is what Sharpton and the rest of the race baiters will have you ignore.  And the President foolishly gives them a platform to spread hate.  Sad.

[BF]

Yeah, 'cause you see this kind of thing in white neighborhoods all the time.....

Don't Bring A Fist To A Shovel Fight	powered by Aeva

[..]

Is that one of those shovel ready jobs??? 

[JimmyG]

We need to come up with the "Don't assault me! YOU ARE UNDER ARREST Don't assault me!  -BAM BAM BAM"  Gesture.

Or the "Strong Arm Robbery" Gesture.

That would be,  left arm out in front of you with hand open in the "halt" position, right hand on your hip, as in getting ready to pull your pistol.........

[old2soon]

Is that one of those shovel ready jobs??? 

      Mayhaps the WHY of C C W. BUT then again I could be wrong! RIDE SAFE.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The guy I was with said that this must be what it feels like for a black man walking in an all white neighborhood.

Dave, while I agree with everything you said, you too have not touched on the real issue.  The issue is not that a black person feels uncomfortable because of the reaction of others,............ The issue is why do others have that reaction?? 

An asian person, or an indian, person may not get the same looks.  Why is that?

The black and hispanic community make up a rather small percentage of the overall population yet, according to statistics you've heard over and over again, they commit the vast majority of the violent crimes.  Period.  The President of the NYC Taxi and Limo Commission said the same when asked why a black man can't hail a cab late at night.

Every action (good or bad) brings on a reaction (good or bad).  This is what Sharpton and the rest of the race baiters will have you ignore.  And the President foolishly gives them a platform to spread hate.  Sad.

G-Man, I'm not sure where you "heard" your statistics but according to the FBI ; whites committed 58.7% of the violent crimes and blacks commited 38.5%. I'm not sure that is a vast majority for blacks.

[Patrick]

The guy I was with said that this must be what it feels like for a black man walking in an all white neighborhood.

Dave, while I agree with everything you said, you too have not touched on the real issue.  The issue is not that a black person feels uncomfortable because of the reaction of others,............ The issue is why do others have that reaction?? 

An asian person, or an indian, person may not get the same looks.  Why is that?

The black and hispanic community make up a rather small percentage of the overall population yet, according to statistics you've heard over and over again, they commit the vast majority of the violent crimes.  Period.  The President of the NYC Taxi and Limo Commission said the same when asked why a black man can't hail a cab late at night.

Every action (good or bad) brings on a reaction (good or bad).  This is what Sharpton and the rest of the race baiters will have you ignore.  And the President foolishly gives them a platform to spread hate.  Sad.

G-Man, I'm not sure where you "heard" your statistics but according to the FBI ; whites committed 58.7% of the violent crimes and blacks commited 38.5%. I'm not sure that is a vast majority for blacks.

The last figures I remember reading said that blacks make up 12.6% of the population while whites made up 65%.  Don't you think that is relevant, I do.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Patrick, yes I do, but that's not what he said.

[cokebottle10]

G-Man it is sad. It is sad because when people in the black community point out things that need to change they are ridiculed and called names like Uncle Tom, Oreo, or worst.

I always thought that things would change with time and education. My Grandfather looked at a Black man as something beneath him. My Father looked at a Black man as equal but separate. I look at a Black man as just that a “Black” man not just a man. My children have less prejudges than me. My 11 year old granddaughter last year was studying Africa and was told the country of Niger was pronounced as the “N” word by another little boy. He thought that it was funny when she said it. She had no idea what he was laughing at. She had never heard the word before.

It is sad when so called leaders are NAACP, Sharpton, Jackson and the like. They have done nothing for the black community. Our president has had opportunities to help race relations. But he just threw them away.

Yes it is very sad. We as Americas of many races are better than this. I have been around the world. I have seen people with no hope. No way to change. No way to better themselves. If you can not better yourself here in the USA then you can't survive anyplace else on this planet.

Thanks, David in Fletcher NC.

[Patrick]

Patrick, yes I do, but that's not what he said.

It isn't ? Seemed like it too me. The two go hand in hand.  No matter how one breaks it down, the lower population folks cause far more crime than their population percentage should cause compared to others.

[Patrick]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c5ISdvg7224




Rev Jonathan Gentry

[G-Man]

The guy I was with said that this must be what it feels like for a black man walking in an all white neighborhood.

Dave, while I agree with everything you said, you too have not touched on the real issue.  The issue is not that a black person feels uncomfortable because of the reaction of others,............ The issue is why do others have that reaction?? 

An asian person, or an indian, person may not get the same looks.  Why is that?

The black and hispanic community make up a rather small percentage of the overall population yet, according to statistics you've heard over and over again, they commit the vast majority of the violent crimes.  Period.  The President of the NYC Taxi and Limo Commission said the same when asked why a black man can't hail a cab late at night.

Every action (good or bad) brings on a reaction (good or bad).  This is what Sharpton and the rest of the race baiters will have you ignore.  And the President foolishly gives them a platform to spread hate.  Sad.

G-Man, I'm not sure where you "heard" your statistics but according to the FBI ; whites committed 58.7% of the violent crimes and blacks commited 38.5%. I'm not sure that is a vast majority for blacks.

Sorry, I should have clarified that I referring to areas of higher concentrations, but where they are still minorities, as indicated by my referring to the NYC T&L Commissioner.  BTW, a representative from the local gov't in Baltimore, MD said the same thing as well.

But still, 15% of the population committing such a demonstrative percentage of violent crime out of proportion with the rest of the races (better for you?) is something that does need to be addressed and corrected or nothing will change.  (murder 49.7% black, 48% white nationwide and the number change incredibly in the urban setting where they are still minorities.

But tell me, how does this change the meaning of my post?  Is my idea or my opinion wrong?  Should we not look for reasons why Blacks commit crimes out of proportion to their numbers, or should we just continue to blame the rest of society and the police?  This is the M.O of the race baiters right now.  ignore the real problems and convince everyone that it's societies fault.  Not buying it.

[G-Man]

G-Man it is sad. It is sad because when people in the black community point out things that need to change they are ridiculed and called names like Uncle Tom, Oreo, or worst.

I always thought that things would change with time and education. My Grandfather looked at a Black man as something beneath him. My Father looked at a Black man as equal but separate. I look at a Black man as just that a “Black” man not just a man. My children have less prejudges than me. My 11 year old granddaughter last year was studying Africa and was told the country of Niger was pronounced as the “N” word by another little boy. He thought that it was funny when she said it. She had no idea what he was laughing at. She had never heard the word before.

It is sad when so called leaders are NAACP, Sharpton, Jackson and the like. They have done nothing for the black community. Our president has had opportunities to help race relations. But he just threw them away.

Yes it is very sad. We as Americas of many races are better than this. I have been around the world. I have seen people with no hope. No way to change. No way to better themselves. If you can not better yourself here in the USA then you can't survive anyplace else on this planet.

Thanks, David in Fletcher NC.

They are called those names by their own community.  Why?  These are answers we need.
I keep hearing "We are better than this?"  Better than what?  Better than a cop shooting his attacker?  Really? 
Better than what?  Blacks have an equal opportunity to be contributing citizens in this country.  Ask my wife, her parents, 3 brothers,  her sister, and all our relatives.  All educated and successful coming from another country even.  If black folks from another country can make out well and own homes and raise families, why can't others?  Again, better than what?  Within 50 years, we went from segregation, to a black president, black attorney general, black reps in congress and the senate, black doctors and lawyers (male and female for all those examples). Black people (15% of population) are routinely used to sell products to the masses.  Is there individual racism, yes - in every community.  Is our country a racist country. NO!  So again, better than what?

[Patrick]

What is the real problem ?
It seems to me that it is the failure of the family. Out of wedlock birth in blacks is over 70% and many don't know the father or who their father is. There is no structure in most of these families and kids are being raised by kids.
To make this Ferguson related, look how the mother has acted as well as the stepfather. The stepfather is a 2 time felon for drug trafficking and has spent 5 years in prison. What could be expected from young Brown.
Societies problem ? What about personal responsibility ?
Had both Brown and Garner complied with police instruction, both would be alive.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The guy I was with said that this must be what it feels like for a black man walking in an all white neighborhood.

Dave, while I agree with everything you said, you too have not touched on the real issue.  The issue is not that a black person feels uncomfortable because of the reaction of others,............ The issue is why do others have that reaction?? 

An asian person, or an indian, person may not get the same looks.  Why is that?

The black and hispanic community make up a rather small percentage of the overall population yet, according to statistics you've heard over and over again, they commit the vast majority of the violent crimes.  Period.  The President of the NYC Taxi and Limo Commission said the same when asked why a black man can't hail a cab late at night.

Every action (good or bad) brings on a reaction (good or bad).  This is what Sharpton and the rest of the race baiters will have you ignore.  And the President foolishly gives them a platform to spread hate.  Sad.

G-Man, I'm not sure where you "heard" your statistics but according to the FBI ; whites committed 58.7% of the violent crimes and blacks commited 38.5%. I'm not sure that is a vast majority for blacks.

Sorry, I should have clarified that I referring to areas of higher concentrations, but where they are still minorities, as indicated by my referring to the NYC T&L Commissioner.  BTW, a representative from the local gov't in Baltimore, MD said the same thing as well.

But still, 15% of the population committing such a demonstrative percentage of violent crime out of proportion with the rest of the races (better for you?) is something that does need to be addressed and corrected or nothing will change.  (murder 49.7% black, 48% white nationwide and the number change incredibly in the urban setting where they are still minorities.

But tell me, how does this change the meaning of my post?  Is my idea or my opinion wrong?  Should we not look for reasons why Blacks commit crimes out of proportion to their numbers, or should we just continue to blame the rest of society and the police?  This is the M.O of the race baiters right now.  ignore the real problems and convince everyone that it's societies fault.  Not buying it.

I don't have the answers to the problems. I THINK a lot of the problems in the black community are ingrained in their culture. But I do know that when we throw out statistics that we hear as fact it doesn't help. And to your response to cokebottle10 that the "n" word is what they call each other is true. But it's also true that lots of white people call them that also. I appreciate your perspective on race relations, you have an insight that myself and most white people don't have.