Ferguson Grand Jury

[Bighead]

Only thing I saw wrong with it Serk was he stopped to long in the middle.

[Jess from VA]

Only way I'd drive thru that would be in an M1 Abrams.

He was overly polite, if you ask me.

[Jess Tolbirt]

had a protest here in nashville last night shutting down I-40 for a while,,where are all the junky 18 wheelers that have bad brakes when you need them?

[..]

The idiots shut down the central interstate in downtown Atlanta and then went off to brerak a few business windows.

Only about 10 arrests.

Should have just taken the whole lot to the pokey.

[Reb]

I can't stand to watch any news or media outlet covering this. Not a single broadcast depicts the true insanity that has plagued the St. Louis area. The continued critics that are ripping apart the grand jury rueling and the justice system.


1. St. Louis County Prosecutor Bob McCulloch's press conference was very informative and in detail of the accounts of the case. To prosecute the prosecutor for waiting till night time to release the rueling is rediculouse. Sooo let's just release the rueling at 8:00am in the morning when folks are trying to get to work and children are in schools. Let's jeopardize the safety of "law abiding citizens" in the community for a group of monkeys.

2. Is it really necessary to say the Grand Jury's performance was altered because of "Too Much" evidence that was thrown at them. That's the most un-ethical argument that could be made about any court proceeding. Since when is to much information or evidence a bad thing in any court procedure?

3. Bob McCulluch directly calling out the media and social media antics for broadcasting immediate injunctions and further altering the credibility of witness testimony against Officer Wilson. <<<<<<<<<<<< I actually liked this>>>>>>>>>>

As much as I hate the major media news outlets, CNN, MSNBC, FOX, etc. Them hoping on this case with immediate response definetly killed the credibility of all the witnesses that stated Brown had his hands up and was shot in the back. All these accounts could have been thrown out after the autospy evidence was released. So the media in general probably hurt MB's case in the long run.

[old2soon]

This happens to be the best news crisis going on cause the unhappy minority keep burning things and keep impeding traffic and calling the L E Os out. From my local news outlets that have reporters in Ferguson as do the national feeds if somebody farts we get it on the telly. Another thing the "media" keeps bringing up CONSTANTLY is the fact that the L E O that shot the victim is white and the victim is black-REALLY-this shooting happened back in August. I'm NOT making light of this but by now most all of America and the World are familiar with who's who in this tragedy. WHY are the L E Os not using the rubber projectiles and the bean bags and the tasers and the water hoses on the "peaceful demonstrators"? Before the verdict of the Grand Jury was released the feds said they did not have enough to bring forward any fed charges. The family of Brown last I heard are going to bring a civil suite. The Interstate highways are federal so shouldn't some fed agency of law enforcement be arresting folks that are or attempting to shut it down? I realize jail space is limited but folks running rampant are not the answer. Who is going to foot the bill for the repairs and rebuild of all the stuff totaled or damaged by the brain dead retards? RIDE SAFE.

[musclehead]

had a protest here in nashville last night shutting down I-40 for a while,,where are all the junky 18 wheelers that have bad brakes when you need them?

coming over the border in so-cal 

[Patrick]

Kudos to my brother-da prez-for this idea that WAS NOT implemented and should have been. Dye pellets with a dye that sticks around for a couple of weeks even with repeated washings. Pepper the rioters with the dye and even weeks later they could be picked up and tried.  We also discussed why the fire trucks weren't used. Squad car-50-60000 dollars. Fire truck-half a mil or more. BUT I also agree the rioters should have gotten a water bath. At last nights temps I believe they would have headed home rather early.  Course we can talk about this all we want-WILL NOT change anything that has happened or will happen. RIDE SAFE.

Like in reply 46, some folks think alike. 

[Patrick]

They are still at it !

Sharpton and Browns mother are still at it. sharpton had another press conference today and kept fanning the flames. The mother is now saying that officer Wilson wanted to kill someone that August night.
They are trying to turn this kid into a civil rights martyr.

[Bighead]

Bet they can't name the last white kid shot in Mo. and don't give a rip that he was shot.

[BF]

Forget Ferguson, 244 Teenagers Have Been Shot In Chicago Since Michael Brown Died

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-25/forget-ferguson-244-teenagers-have-been-shot-chicago-michael-brown-died

[MP]

They had the head of the NACP on teevee this morning... I thought
I heard him say this, so I just now cut and pasted it out of the transcripts
of the interview:

question the process of dumping mountains of evidence into the laps of grand jurors. This is not a process that inspires confidence.

Wow.  Just wow.   

Amazing how so many lawyers are saying that ONLY the evidence against the cop be used, i.e. the "eye witnesses" that said Brown was
 executed.  That NONE of the other evidence be used.

There were a very few who said it is not just the prosecutors job to indict, but to seek justice, and only pursue a case in which they believe a crime occurred.

Usually, the complaint against Grand Juries, is that they ONLY hear the bad evidence.  But, somehow, the knock against this one, is that they heard ALL the evidence!

It is amazing, but there were lawyers and big wigs out there, who were saying the physical evidence proved that Wilson executed Brown, exactly as the first witnesses said.

It amazes me how anyone can say that the physical evidence supports execution, and murder charges.

As they say, it is NOT one world.

MP

[old2soon]

NOT tryin to flog the old proverbial dead equine but I read today that Ferguson is running low on their emergency funds to keep funding the National Guard.  Sooooooooo WHAT happens if they run completely out of emergency funds? No way to contain the demonstrations or guide the misguided back on the proper path? Being as the L E O was not indicted would the fed gubmint advance more money to Ferguson? I mean we KNOW the obuminater only does what HE wants!  Just some food fer thought!  RIDE SAFE.

[R J]

Obanner was fueling the fire, so no way is he going to send any $$$$$ to Ferguson, MO.

I heard on our 6:00 PM news that the LEO resigned.

Now in my book, that was a crock of crap.

I'm gone.

[specialdose]

    

                                       This worked in L.A. these folks stores DID NOT get looted or burned. If you have not seen
                                  these, well worth 6mins of your life. I remember seeing this live and cheering for them. There is
                                  one where the libitard news casters are pondering whether their guns are registered. To bad no
                                  one in Ferguson took this approach.

                                                 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6tmD0W5r4w
                                                
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-zcwLwtn0A     https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6tmD0W5r4w
                                                


    

[Serk]

To bad no one in Ferguson took this approach.

Gotta give credit where credit is due...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/26/us-usa-missouri-shooting-gasstation-idUSKCN0JA1XF20141126

[..]

To bad no one in Ferguson took this approach.

Gotta give credit where credit is due...

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/11/26/us-usa-missouri-shooting-gasstation-idUSKCN0JA1XF20141126

This is the real America‏

Not what the liar in chief, Jackson, Sharpton and other race baiters would have the willingly ignorant believe.

[specialdose]

 
                                 Serk, that article just goes to prove the discord that all the race baiters like POTUS,
                            Holder, Sharpton, Jackson and the rest of them is bogus. These men see no color because
                            they treat each other with honor and respect as fellow human beings. Good for them for
                            helping their friend. With Gods grace we can make it through 2 more years.

[baldo]

After reading through this whole thread, it would appear that the majority of the commenters would like to see Wilson shoot him again. Unreal.

[hubcapsc]

After reading through this whole thread, it would appear that the majority of the commenters would like to see Wilson shoot him again. Unreal.

Which ones, specifically?

-Mike

[Patrick]

 Time magazine most important or influential person list right now has the Ferguson protesters at the top of the list.
That just goes show how stupid some of the American public can be at times. To think that flag burners, looters and arsonists completely destroying families and their business's can be thought of as hero's baffles me.

[baldo]

I'm speaking to the overall tone. When MB and protesters are referred to as monkeys, I don't think there's much guessing.

[hubcapsc]

I'm speaking to the overall tone. When MB and protesters are referred to as monkeys, I don't think there's much guessing.

I searched the whole thread. The word "monkey" popped up once, not in referral to
the perp or the protesters, but rather to these folks...



-Mike

[Serk]

After reading through this whole thread, it would appear that the majority of the commenters would like to see Wilson shoot him again. Unreal.

So... Officer Wilson is being assaulted by a large man who's already attempted to steal the officer's firearm, presumably to use against him. He's about to be rendered unconscious by this large man.

What SHOULD he have done?

You have about half a second to decide. Your life hangs in the balance.

[baldo]

My personal thoughts are that the 'evidence' is too corrupted, we'll probably never know the truth in this case. Add the 'questionable' behavior of the prosecutor and Wilson's 'injuries', claiming he feared for his life. I tend to think that Wilson basically got away with murder. Time will tell. I do know that he'll be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life. Karma's real.....

As far as the looters, they have what's coming to them. And I don't mean flat screens. I'm not saying shoot them, but they need to be stopped. Protesting is one thing, taking advantage of a death to go shopping is another.

[Patrick]

My personal thoughts are that the 'evidence' is too corrupted, we'll probably never know the truth in this case. Add the 'questionable' behavior of the prosecutor and Wilson's 'injuries', claiming he feared for his life. I tend to think that Wilson basically got away with murder. Time will tell. I do know that he'll be looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life. Karma's real.....

As far as the looters, they have what's coming to them. And I don't mean flat screens. I'm not saying shoot them, but they need to be stopped. Protesting is one thing, taking advantage of a death to go shopping is another.

70 hours of testimony from 60 witness's and a democrat prosecutor leads to corrupted evidence ?!

I think not. I think a little research proves the grand jury got it right.

Every witness that has lied [ either from their own later testimony or proven] should be prosecuted.

[baldo]

I don't care if he's a Democrat, Republican, Green Party or whatever else. He's supposed to provide evidence to the grand jury, and THEY are the ones to decide if the process goes forward. NOT HIM.

You mention doing a little research. Less than 1 second with Google led to many reports citing improper GJ instructions. In fact, Scalia himself, not known to be a friend to the Dems as you suggest, claims that it was "completely wrong"....http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/justice-scalia-explains-why-ferguson-grand-jury-was-completely-wrong

[Patrick]

I don't care if he's a Democrat, Republican, Green Party or whatever else. He's supposed to provide evidence to the grand jury, and THEY are the ones to decide if the process goes forward. NOT HIM.

You mention doing a little research. Less than 1 second with Google led to many reports citing improper GJ instructions. In fact, Scalia himself, not known to be a friend to the Dems as you suggest, claims that it was "completely wrong"....http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/justice-scalia-explains-why-ferguson-grand-jury-was-completely-wrong

I'll wait to see what Scalia has to say. Not someone else' interpretation of a 20+ year old ruling. Afteral, the evidence is the evidence.

[baldo]

Yes, the evidence. Therein, lies the rub.....

[hubcapsc]

I don't care if he's a Democrat, Republican, Green Party or whatever else. He's supposed to provide evidence to the grand jury, and THEY are the ones to decide if the process goes forward. NOT HIM.

You mention doing a little research. Less than 1 second with Google led to many reports citing improper GJ instructions. In fact, Scalia himself, not known to be a friend to the Dems as you suggest, claims that it was "completely wrong"....http://www.alternet.org/civil-liberties/justice-scalia-explains-why-ferguson-grand-jury-was-completely-wrong

kooksRus.com suggests that "1992 Ruling By Justice Scalia Explains
Why Ferguson Grand Jury Was Completely Wrong".

It is a giant leap to say that "Scalia himself ... claims that [the Ferguson Grand Jury decision] was
'completely wrong'"...

-Mike

[baldo]

How is it a 'giant leap'? What was true then is true today. Did you read the article?....Her's another link, maybe not so kooky....Basically saying the same thing...

http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/justice-scalia-explains-why-the-ferguson-grand-jury-was-completely-wrong/

[Serk]

My personal thoughts are that the 'evidence' is too corrupted, we'll probably never know the truth in this case.

In other words, at this point we have left the realm of evidence, fact and reason, and entered the realm of religious belief. If, after being presented with overwhelming evidence that the officer acted in a perfectly reasonable manner, you still "believe" he is a murderer, there is no point in trying to discuss this matter with you any further, it has left the world of logic and entered the realm of religious belief.

Got it...

[R J]

My personal thoughts are that the 'evidence' is too corrupted, we'll probably never know the truth in this case.

In other words, at this point we have left the realm of evidence, fact and reason, and entered the realm of religious belief. If, after being presented with overwhelming evidence that the officer acted in a perfectly reasonable manner, you still "believe" he is a murderer, there is no point in trying to discuss this matter with you any further, it has left the world of logic and entered the realm of religious belief.

Got it...

AMEN Serk.

[baldo]

Because my thoughts aren't the same as yours, and they're not coming out of thin air, I'm to be discounted? Not a way to have a discussion.

Does nothing about this case give you pause? How about the 'injury' he suffered that made him fear for his life. My cheeks got redder than that when I got slapped in a bar. How about the reports of the broken eye socket?

I could go on, but I feel it would fall on deaf ears.

[MP]

Even if there were NO injuries, Wilson is STILL allowed to defend himself.

The physical evidence supports his story, along with witnesses that agree.  The only thing that disagrees, is a few witnesses, who early on said he was shot in the back, and in the top of the head, while attempting to surrender.

Several of those witnesses have changed their story, because the PHYSICAl evidence does NOT support their testimony.  The THREE coroner reports say the he was shot in the front, NOT in the back, as those discredited witnesses claimed.

There was DNA and blood from Brown IN THE CAR, showing that that is where the first shots were fired.  Also powder residue on his hand, showing it was at close range.

Also, the empty shell casings were in the positions exactly as they would be, if Wilson's story was correct.

And, Brown's body wound up about 10 feet from where most of the casings were, supporting Wilson's story that Brown was charging him, that a number of shots were fired at Brown, and the charge finally ended about 10 feet away, when Brown took a shot to the head.

What do YOU think Wilson SHOULD have done?  Waited until Brown tackled him, wrestled his gun away, and then try to talk him out of shooting him?

MP

[baldo]

His body was 153 from the car, scene of the initial contact. Wilson fired two volleys of five shots each, as he chased him down the street. The final shot that killed him was to the TOP of his head, indicating he was either on the ground or on his way down.

Did he have to chase him? Why did he stop him in the first place? He claims he saw them walking down the middle of the street, and 'suggested' they move it on over. I'm sure Brown didn't exactly sing his praises, but is that reason enough for Wilson to ratchet it up? He aggressively put his car right next to him, where some struggle ensued. I suppose this is where he got slapped and became fearful for his life.

At some point he started chasing him, gun a blazing. He claims he didn't have a tazer. True, I don't know.

As a sidenote, Wilson was previously employed by a neighboring police force that was disbanded because of their extreme racial problems. It would be my guess that Wilson didn't have too many colored friends.

Here's an interesting article....http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/26/us/ferguson-grand-jury-weighed-mass-of-evidence-much-of-it-conflicting.html?_r=0

[..]

Hey, there's nothing like a good "guess" to make a point. 

Also good to know that our latest "expert" has read ALL the evidence and seen EVERY piece given to the grand jury.

Having done this perhaps the "expert" could help us by quoting exactly from the evidence to prove his view that it was corrupted.

[Detn8er]

Hey, there's nothing like a good "guess" to make a point. 

Also good to know that our latest "expert" has read ALL the evidence and seen EVERY piece given to the grand jury.

Having done this perhaps the "expert" could help us by quoting exactly from the evidence to prove his view that it was corrupted.

I've concluded after reading only a few post that just like the rioters and looters the actual evidence means nothing to baldie.   

[Detn8er]

His body was 153 from the car, scene of the initial contact. Wilson fired two volleys of five shots each, as he chased him down the street. The final shot that killed him was to the TOP of his head, indicating he was either on the ground or on his way down.

Did he have to chase him? Why did he stop him in the first place? He claims he saw them walking down the middle of the street, and 'suggested' they move it on over. I'm sure Brown didn't exactly sing his praises, but is that reason enough for Wilson to ratchet it up? He aggressively put his car right next to him, where some struggle ensued. I suppose this is where he got slapped and became fearful for his life.

At some point he started chasing him, gun a blazing. He claims he didn't have a tazer. True, I don't know.

As a sidenote, Wilson was previously employed by a neighboring police force that was disbanded because of their extreme racial problems. It would be my guess that Wilson didn't have too many colored friends.

Here's an interesting article....http://www.nytimes.com/2014/11/26/us/ferguson-grand-jury-weighed-mass-of-evidence-much-of-it-conflicting.html?_r=0

Colored Friends....Who's the racist in the crowd? I watched the DA's news conference and GJ announcement and based on that most all of what you have typed is made up and hearsay. Why not wait till you can get your fingers wrapped around the actual report so you don't have to make it up as you go. 

[..]

Hey, there's nothing like a good "guess" to make a point. 

Also good to know that our latest "expert" has read ALL the evidence and seen EVERY piece given to the grand jury.

Having done this perhaps the "expert" could help us by quoting exactly from the evidence to prove his view that it was corrupted.

I've concluded after reading only a few post that just like the rioters and looters the actual evidence means nothing to baldie.   

Joined in Sept 2013 and of 9 posts 8 are in this thread. A real overall contribution to the forum