children dying senselessly at the hands of madmen should never happen

[Jess from VA]

This is always (or can be) a problem when we decide to have policemen run for office (ergo make them politicians) instead of hiring the best professionals for the job you can find.  Judges too.

Historically, elections were a more representative form of govt, and if the hiring is done by yet another political hack, he just puts his own man in there, or someone he owes a favor.

But to my way of thinking, if everyone is honest (choke), it's better to hire pros, than have politicians run.

Ever wonder why so many towns and cities have a professionally trained city manager instead of a mayor... or maybe even both?

[Jess from VA]

Now this:

The 4 Broward deputies who guarded the parking lot while students were being shot would not let first responder medics in either.  The medics wanted to go right in, unarmed.  I suppose allowing that would have made them look bad worse.

“We were asking to go in. Asking the scene commander to go in. Why are we all standing around?  

Good question buddy.  

https://www.infowars.com/parkland-first-responder-i-was-told-to-stand-down-i-could-have-saved-lives/

And this: (he could have been stopped)
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/broward/article201887629.html

And this: (support you sheriff.... more cronyism)
http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/02/26/broward-county-sheriff-scott-israel-internal-email-release-laura-ingraham

And this:  NJ teacher who raises issue of security at his school, is ordered to office, searched, referred for psychiatric exam, and suspended.  (lefties at work)
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/02/27/new-jersey-teacher-says-was-suspended-for-speaking-out-on-school-security.html

[Robert]

Its just unbelievable how badly the situation was handled especially since this goes directly against the lessons learned and implemented after the Columbine shootings.

Plus

Since when does Fed Ex have its own conscience and can tell us what we should own and not own

 Since when do they get away from the core of their business which is shipping and decide to enter into the morals dept or even legal dept? I think its high time that if a bake shop has to make a cake for a gay couple under corporate responsibility then it we should also sue Fed Ex for select shipping since both come under moral conscience, something a company is not supposed to have.

FedEx Corporation’s positions on the issues of gun policy and safety differ from those of the National Rifle Association (NRA). FedEx opposes assault rifles being in the hands of citizens,” the statement said. “FedEx views assault rifles and large capacity magazines as an inherent potential danger to schools, workplaces, and communities when such weapons are misused. We therefore support restricting them to the military

Also


Billboard Says ‘Kill The NRA’ – Dana Loesch Has The Perfect Response

NRA spokeswoman Dana Loesch had a brutal response, asking, “Kill us with what?”

[Gavin_Sons]

Its just unbelievable how badly the situation was handled especially since this goes directly against the lessons learned and implemented after the Columbine shootings.

Plus

Since when does Fed Ex have its own conscience and can tell us what we should own and not own

 Since when do they get away from the core of their business which is shipping and decide to enter into the morals dept or even legal dept? I think its high time that if a bake shop has to make a cake for a gay couple under corporate responsibility then it we should also sue Fed Ex for select shipping since both come under moral conscience, something a company is not supposed to have.

FedEx Corporation’s positions on the issues of gun policy and safety differ from those of the National Rifle Association (NRA). FedEx opposes assault rifles being in the hands of citizens,” the statement said. “FedEx views assault rifles and large capacity magazines as an inherent potential danger to schools, workplaces, and communities when such weapons are misused. We therefore support restricting them to the military

Also


Billboard Says ‘Kill The NRA’ – Dana Loesch Has The Perfect Response

NRA spokeswoman Dana Loesch had a brutal response, asking, “Kill us with what?”

I like Dana Loesch, she tells it how it is and no one steps on her. I listen to her show every day. If you want to hear the truth listen to her. 

[Robert]

The story below explains much in how the Sheriffs dept treated crime and students and it was an agreement established by the school board and many parties. The article shows the agreement that was signed and now we have almost the whole story. If you click on the PDF in the article it will bring up the signed agreement and you can scroll down to read it.



https://freedomoutpost.com/school-shooting-plot-exposed-wont-believe-set/

The story all began about 6 years ago in Miami-Dade County (the county just South of Broward), where the school district was struggling to succeed. All of the data painted a picture of a failing school district. The district noticed that large portions of their school populations were being arrested at a higher proportion than the rest of their community, and they realized that if they could cut down on the criminality of their students, they could quickly improve the data coming out of their schools

With this in mind, the district entered into a relationship with their local police force and concluded a deal that would ensure the police would stop arresting so many of their students.

[Jess from VA]

How politically correct.  How feng shui.  How democratic (party).

Stop arresting criminal students so the schools look better.... presumably so they get more funds.

Criminal behavior deserves criminal justice, regardless of the age of the offender.  Or the race, gender, religion, height, weight, eye color, or shoe size. 

Guess what tolerating criminal behavior begets?    More criminal behavior than before.   

[3fan4life]

This CRAP just gets more and more unbelievable! 

[Jess from VA]

This CRAP just gets more and more unbelievable!  

Yeah, it does Mark.

Now we hear, the 4 officers were ordered not to go in without their body cameras turned on.  But they didn't have any with them.  So they didn't go in.  (Was PD leadership worried about getting sued?  So kids had to die for liability concerns?  Presumably the students were not going to fight with police.  So they were worried about an excessive use of force claim by Cruz?  Who could have been lawfully killed on sight.)

And medics were not allowed in until after the bldg was swept.  So at least some students very likely bled out who could have been saved.  

Of course, Cruz was long gone.  But since no cops went in to face him, they didn't know that.

No one goes in until Coral Springs PD arrives.  

Cruz is finally picked up wandering around by Coral Springs officers.  

The first time Broward County PD sees him is when he is delivered in handcuffs.  

I'm surprised they didn't write him an appearance ticket and let him go.

This may be the biggest Moe, Larry, and Curly operation I have ever heard of.

https://news.americanewscentral.com/2018/02/27/florida-governor-answers-74-lawmakers-calls-suspend-disgraced-broward-sheriff/

The liability concerns of the Broward PD are now astronomical.  Good.

__________________________________

When this case was first reported, it seemed easy enough to explain as cowardice by a lone 32yr veteran LEO.  He certainly could not have prevented all the deaths, but surely he could have stopped or slowed Cruz down, before Cruz quit all on his own.  And instantly putting in his retirement papers didn't make it look any better.  Then we learn 3 other officers were also there, and it gets harder to understand or believe cowardice from all 4 men.  Could that be possible?  Then we learn about Broward PD leadership and policy of leaving student misconduct alone.  A policy that PD rank and file had no say about, and orders are orders.

Then we hear that these men were ordered not to enter without cameras running, and they had no cameras.  So now we have a situation where sworn officers have been ordered to stand down, and they would have to disobey those orders to do the right thing and charge in.  It's easy to armchair right and wrong now, but you have to consider those men knew from experience (with chain of command) that disobeying those orders could likely result in losing their jobs.  Men with careers and families and kids in school, and mortgages.  It's a lot to ask of a man at the scene of a crisis to risk his career and family security to disobey orders to do the right thing (which will be called the wrong thing by his leadership). So now it seems clear this thing goes right to the top.  Who was on the phone giving the orders?  The elected sheriff's head should roll (and probably some others too).  

I'm not happy with the officers failure to act (at all), but I understand it a lot better now.

[The emperor has no clothes]

 It's a lot to ask of a man at the scene of a crisis to risk his career and family security to disobey orders to do the right thing

I'm not happy with the officers failure to act (at all), but I understand it a lot better now.

I don't. On one hand you know children are being shot (safe to assume being killed), on the other hand you have a possibility of losing your career. i hope their consciences play hell with them the rest of their lives. You are right, it's easy to be a Monday Moring Quarterback. This one seems pretty cut and dried to me.
 If my boss were to tell me that we can't afford to lose money by throwing away spoiled meat, we need to put it in the ground beef. I know what I would do, regardless of the consequences.

[Robert]

This just gets more and more off track, sheriff goes to CNN and gun protest and names a gun that has already been banned. Says no video will be available now and may never be.

It also sounds more and more like the usual gov response under the previous admin. I dont understand why this guy is not gone, I also wonder if this is in a playbook somewhere on how to act.

I must say though this tragedy has stopped most from reporting on the memos and anything that has been happening in there. They couldn't have engineered a more appropriate distraction or could they?

Not associated with this but some good news Trump saves 1.4 billion on the Air Force One contracts.


Ingraham Releases Internal Email Directing Deputies to Defend FL Sheriff

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/02/26/broward-county-sheriff-scott-israel-internal-email-release-laura-ingraham

 Laura Ingraham aired a purported internal email from the Broward County Sheriff's Office that directed employees to defend Sheriff Scott Israel.

Ingraham said the email was given to her by a source and that its veracity was "confirmed" by a second source.

[Skinhead]

I don't.
 If my boss were to tell me that we can't afford to lose money by throwing away spoiled meat, we need to put it in the ground beef. I know what I would do, regardless of the consequences.

A bit of a difference in scenarios there, don't you think? 

This whole thing has GOAT F**K written all over it.  A portion of the blame goes back to Obama's administration and their policies of appeasing criminals, I.E. BLM and the Ferguson rioters.  Tryvon's innocence, etc. 

If you can't see that Liberal BS PC crap is ruining our society, I feel sorry for you. Civil disobedience and lawlessness MUST be dealt with immediately and firmly.  And not just us peons in the general population, it must include the politicians and white collar criminals too.

Guns were only a tool for Cruz to accomplish his goal.  The system that the gun grabbers claim will protect us has failed miserably in this situation.  I am more firmly resolved to resist gun control than ever after this.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I don't.
 If my boss were to tell me that we can't afford to lose money by throwing away spoiled meat, we need to put it in the ground beef. I know what I would do, regardless of the consequences.

A bit of a difference in scenarios there, don't you think? 

This whole thing has GOAT F**K written all over it.  A portion of the blame goes back to Obama's administration and their policies of appeasing criminals, I.E. BLM and the Ferguson rioters.  Tryvon's innocence, etc. 

If you can't see that Liberal BS PC crap is ruining our society, I feel sorry for you. Civil disobedience and lawlessness MUST be dealt with immediately and firmly.  And not just us peons in the general population, it must include the politicians and white collar criminals too.

Guns were only a tool for Cruz to accomplish his goal.  The system that the gun grabbers claim will protect us has failed miserably in this situation.  I am more firmly resolved to resist gun control than ever after this.

Maybe I wasn’t clear. I was talking about the cops not going in the school. And yes, they are different scenarios. I was merely trying to give an example of doing the right thing.

[Gavin_Sons]

I don't.
 If my boss were to tell me that we can't afford to lose money by throwing away spoiled meat, we need to put it in the ground beef. I know what I would do, regardless of the consequences.

A bit of a difference in scenarios there, don't you think? 

This whole thing has GOAT F**K written all over it.  A portion of the blame goes back to Obama's administration and their policies of appeasing criminals, I.E. BLM and the Ferguson rioters.  Tryvon's innocence, etc. 

If you can't see that Liberal BS PC crap is ruining our society, I feel sorry for you. Civil disobedience and lawlessness MUST be dealt with immediately and firmly.  And not just us peons in the general population, it must include the politicians and white collar criminals too.

Guns were only a tool for Cruz to accomplish his goal.  The system that the gun grabbers claim will protect us has failed miserably in this situation.  I am more firmly resolved to resist gun control than ever after this.

Maybe I wasn’t clear. I was talking about the cops not going in the school. And yes, they are different scenarios. I was merely trying to give an example of doing the right thing.

you know what? if i was a cop there and kids were being shot up i guarantee you I would risk my career to save those kids. At that point your career does not matter, you need to get your ass in there and save those kids. I hope they all rot in hell for doing what they were hired to do. I hope the Sheriff has a slow miserable death for being a piece of crap.

[3fan4life]

 It's a lot to ask of a man at the scene of a crisis to risk his career and family security to disobey orders to do the right thing

I'm not happy with the officers failure to act (at all), but I understand it a lot better now.

I don't. On one hand you know children are being shot (safe to assume being killed), on the other hand you have a possibility of losing your career. i hope their consciences play hell with them the rest of their lives. You are right, it's easy to be a Monday Moring Quarterback. This one seems pretty cut and dried to me.
 If my boss were to tell me that we can't afford to lose money by throwing away spoiled meat, we need to put it in the ground beef. I know what I would do, regardless of the consequences.

Dang MH, You and I can agree on something. 

[MarkT]

The system that the gun grabbers claim will protect us has failed miserably in this situation.  I am more firmly resolved to resist gun control than ever after this.

So are the rank and file of gun people.  I just ordered a lot of ammo and gun kits from some large online suppliers expecting a run on both prior to potential new legislation from the teenagers' marching.  Both orders were slow to ship - days slower than usual.   My phone calls to CS got the response, they are SLAMMED with orders, far more than usual.  The ammo finally arrived yesterday while the kits were finally shipped last night a week late.  The dumb teenagers are causing another Obama gun run.

[¿spoom]

Like the Los Vegas shooting, there is a lot here that doesn't add up.

A news story I read this morning said the SRO (school resource officer?) stayed outside and radioed in a description of the killer. How could he give a description without going in? Did he just guess who the shooter was?

Why wasn't the shooter entered into the nics system after all his run-ins with the law?

According to Mueller's investigation, the Russian's goal was to cause division in our country. Nothing divides our country more than the gun control issue. Nothing would further our enemy’s goals more than convincing our citizens to disarm. Remember, American citizens are the largest armed group on the planet.

Could a foreign government or a group of them, with millions of dollars and intelligence networks at their disposal engineer some or all of these shootings while counting on copycats to carry out more?

Wouldn't it be prudent after Mueller’s investigation proved some or all of the window breaking anti-Trump riots were fueled by Russians posing as Americans to assume they are, at least partially, behind the new, militant anti-gun push? And possibly some of the shootings also?

I think we are being duped in one way or another. I also think the next time we catch one of these mass murders we should declare them an “enemy combatant” and send them to Gitmo to be interviewed by the professionals. Maybe then we’ll get to the bottom of it.

Is it really that hard to believe a largely untreated mentally ill person took a gun into the school they associated most of their life with and had been kicked out of, and started shooting? I don't understand why at least in this case, we need to look beyond the obvious and look for a spaceship behind the comet.

[Gavin_Sons]

Like the Los Vegas shooting, there is a lot here that doesn't add up.

A news story I read this morning said the SRO (school resource officer?) stayed outside and radioed in a description of the killer. How could he give a description without going in? Did he just guess who the shooter was?

Why wasn't the shooter entered into the nics system after all his run-ins with the law?

According to Mueller's investigation, the Russian's goal was to cause division in our country. Nothing divides our country more than the gun control issue. Nothing would further our enemy’s goals more than convincing our citizens to disarm. Remember, American citizens are the largest armed group on the planet.

Could a foreign government or a group of them, with millions of dollars and intelligence networks at their disposal engineer some or all of these shootings while counting on copycats to carry out more?

Wouldn't it be prudent after Mueller’s investigation proved some or all of the window breaking anti-Trump riots were fueled by Russians posing as Americans to assume they are, at least partially, behind the new, militant anti-gun push? And possibly some of the shootings also?

I think we are being duped in one way or another. I also think the next time we catch one of these mass murders we should declare them an “enemy combatant” and send them to Gitmo to be interviewed by the professionals. Maybe then we’ll get to the bottom of it.

Is it really that hard to believe a largely untreated mentally ill person took a gun into the school they associated most of their life with and had been kicked out of, and started shooting? I don't understand why at least in this case, we need to look beyond the obvious and look for a spaceship behind the comet.

It just does not add up. There is more to the story than what the public is being told. If you only believe what the media tells you, you will forever be lost.

[The emperor has no clothes]

The system that the gun grabbers claim will protect us has failed miserably in this situation.  I am more firmly resolved to resist gun control than ever after this.

So are the rank and file of gun people.  I just ordered a lot of ammo and gun kits from some large online suppliers expecting a run on both prior to potential new legislation from the teenagers' marching.  Both orders were slow to ship - days slower than usual.   My phone calls to CS got the response, they are SLAMMED with orders, far more than usual.  The ammo finally arrived yesterday while the kits were finally shipped last night a week late.  The dumb teenagers are causing another Obama gun run.

Just to set the record straight, that was a quote from Skinhead not I.

[3fan4life]

Like the Los Vegas shooting, there is a lot here that doesn't add up.

A news story I read this morning said the SRO (school resource officer?) stayed outside and radioed in a description of the killer. How could he give a description without going in? Did he just guess who the shooter was?

Why wasn't the shooter entered into the nics system after all his run-ins with the law?

According to Mueller's investigation, the Russian's goal was to cause division in our country. Nothing divides our country more than the gun control issue. Nothing would further our enemy’s goals more than convincing our citizens to disarm. Remember, American citizens are the largest armed group on the planet.

Could a foreign government or a group of them, with millions of dollars and intelligence networks at their disposal engineer some or all of these shootings while counting on copycats to carry out more?

Wouldn't it be prudent after Mueller’s investigation proved some or all of the window breaking anti-Trump riots were fueled by Russians posing as Americans to assume they are, at least partially, behind the new, militant anti-gun push? And possibly some of the shootings also?

I think we are being duped in one way or another. I also think the next time we catch one of these mass murders we should declare them an “enemy combatant” and send them to Gitmo to be interviewed by the professionals. Maybe then we’ll get to the bottom of it.

Is it really that hard to believe a largely untreated mentally ill person took a gun into the school they associated most of their life with and had been kicked out of, and started shooting? I don't understand why at least in this case, we need to look beyond the obvious and look for a spaceship behind the comet.

I don't believe that the Anti Gunners are orchestrating these types of attacks.

At least I hope that they aren't.

They definintely are more than willing to exploite the victims and their families to furthr their agenda.

[3fan4life]

The system that the gun grabbers claim will protect us has failed miserably in this situation.  I am more firmly resolved to resist gun control than ever after this.

So are the rank and file of gun people.  I just ordered a lot of ammo and gun kits from some large online suppliers expecting a run on both prior to potential new legislation from the teenagers' marching.  Both orders were slow to ship - days slower than usual.   My phone calls to CS got the response, they are SLAMMED with orders, far more than usual.  The ammo finally arrived yesterday while the kits were finally shipped last night a week late.  The dumb teenagers are causing another Obama gun run.

Just to set the record straight, that was a quote from Skinhead not I.

Just when it seemed like you were starting to come around. 

[Serk]

Just to set the record straight, that was a quote from Skinhead not I.

Just when it seemed like you were starting to come around. 

Yeah, I had a glimmer of hope there for a moment... Heck, I was considering bringing him a free AR15 at Inzane and sign him up and pay for his NRA membership!

[The emperor has no clothes]

Just to set the record straight, that was a quote from Skinhead not I.

Just when it seemed like you were starting to come around. 

Yeah, I had a glimmer of hope there for a moment... Heck, I was considering bringing him a free AR15 at Inzane and sign him up and pay for his NRA membership!

thanks, but no thanks 

[The emperor has no clothes]

Student Claims CNN Rewrote Town Hall Question, Told Him to 'Stick to the Script'

http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/02/22/cnn

https://www.yahoo.com/news/shooting-survivors-father-admits-email-changes-cnn-spat-213024427.html?exp=vv

 

[Serk]

An NRA member with an AR15 chased down and shot the bad guy at the Texas church shooting.

Armed cops cowered outside in the parking lot and did nothing to stop the shooting in Florida.

But somehow NRA members are the ones that need to be disarmed and are being made out to be the bad guys and law abiding citizens should not have the ability to own AR15s, which were the tool that was used to STOP a massacre?

Snuggle that.

[Gavin_Sons]

An NRA member with an AR15 chased down and shot the bad guy at the Texas church shooting.

Armed cops cowered outside in the parking lot and did nothing to stop the shooting in Florida.

But somehow NRA members are the ones that need to be disarmed and are being made out to be the bad guys?

Snuggle that.

Interesting huh?
You good guys with guns do nothing but promote violence onto others. 
I still invite anyone who thinks i don't need my guns to come take them out of my hands. Go ahead, I dare you. 

[Robert]

Be ready to hear more from the left and not the kids, exploitation extreme

https://www.buzzfeed.com/maryanngeorgantopoulos/parkland-teens-organization?utm_term=.xbnjjOj0qA#.vworrKrmYD

 The Parkland Teens Fighting For Gun Control Have The Backing Of These Huge Organizing Groups

Some of the largest organizing groups in the country are helping the Marjory Stoneman Douglas shooting survivors. Not even two weeks ago they only had one another and social media.

Several large progressive organizations, donors, and a high-powered public relations firm are backing the March for Our Lives movement, which is quickly evolving from a student-run social media effort to end gun violence into one backed by some of the most influential activists in the country.

In the days after the shooting in Parkland, Florida, that killed 17 people, the teenage survivors of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School were impossible to ignore. They blanketed cable news coverage, built a massive following on social media, and began to organize a rally in the country’s capital in support of gun reform.

MoveOn said it will encourage its millions of members to follow and promote the March for Our Lives movement on social media and attend the rally next month. The group said it had offered support in organizing logistics such as security and portable toilets, but it is unclear if the students have taken them up on their offer.

A spokesperson for Planned Parenthood said the group is "teaching and hosting trainings” for young activists across the US “to keep momentum going so they don't get burned out."

Planned Parenthood said it has been in contact with Giffords, which is spearheading the national coalition of groups working with March for Our Lives.

Democratic US Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Broward County resident for nearly 30 years, told BuzzFeed News she has been in touch with students from Marjory Stoneman Douglas since the day after the shooting, helping them connect to state legislators and plan their trip to Tallahassee last week.

[Serk]

A spokesperson for Planned Parenthood said the group is "teaching and hosting trainings” for young activists across the US “to keep momentum going so they don't get burned out."

Planned Parenthood said it has been in contact with Giffords, which is spearheading the national coalition of groups working with March for Our Lives.

Wow... the doublespeak is strong...

Planned Parenthood (Which receives YOUR tax dollars to help with this crap btw) supporting a "March for our Lives."

[¿spoom]

Be ready to hear more from the left and not the kids, exploitation extreme

https://www.buzzfeed.com/maryanngeorgantopoulos/parkland-teens-organization?utm_term=.xbnjjOj0qA#.vworrKrmYD

 The Parkland Teens Fighting For Gun Control Have The Backing Of These Huge Organizing Groups

Some of the largest organizing groups in the country are helping the Marjory Stoneman Douglas shooting survivors. Not even two weeks ago they only had one another and social media.

Several large progressive organizations, donors, and a high-powered public relations firm are backing the March for Our Lives movement, which is quickly evolving from a student-run social media effort to end gun violence into one backed by some of the most influential activists in the country.

In the days after the shooting in Parkland, Florida, that killed 17 people, the teenage survivors of Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School were impossible to ignore. They blanketed cable news coverage, built a massive following on social media, and began to organize a rally in the country’s capital in support of gun reform.

MoveOn said it will encourage its millions of members to follow and promote the March for Our Lives movement on social media and attend the rally next month. The group said it had offered support in organizing logistics such as security and portable toilets, but it is unclear if the students have taken them up on their offer.

A spokesperson for Planned Parenthood said the group is "teaching and hosting trainings” for young activists across the US “to keep momentum going so they don't get burned out."

Planned Parenthood said it has been in contact with Giffords, which is spearheading the national coalition of groups working with March for Our Lives.

Democratic US Rep. Debbie Wasserman Schultz, a Broward County resident for nearly 30 years, told BuzzFeed News she has been in touch with students from Marjory Stoneman Douglas since the day after the shooting, helping them connect to state legislators and plan their trip to Tallahassee last week.

"Never let a good tragedy go to waste" said Rahm, and they don't. Maybe someday the Republicans will have the balls to do the same.

[¿spoom]

Like the Los Vegas shooting, there is a lot here that doesn't add up.

A news story I read this morning said the SRO (school resource officer?) stayed outside and radioed in a description of the killer. How could he give a description without going in? Did he just guess who the shooter was?

Why wasn't the shooter entered into the nics system after all his run-ins with the law?

According to Mueller's investigation, the Russian's goal was to cause division in our country. Nothing divides our country more than the gun control issue. Nothing would further our enemy’s goals more than convincing our citizens to disarm. Remember, American citizens are the largest armed group on the planet.

Could a foreign government or a group of them, with millions of dollars and intelligence networks at their disposal engineer some or all of these shootings while counting on copycats to carry out more?

Wouldn't it be prudent after Mueller’s investigation proved some or all of the window breaking anti-Trump riots were fueled by Russians posing as Americans to assume they are, at least partially, behind the new, militant anti-gun push? And possibly some of the shootings also?

I think we are being duped in one way or another. I also think the next time we catch one of these mass murders we should declare them an “enemy combatant” and send them to Gitmo to be interviewed by the professionals. Maybe then we’ll get to the bottom of it.

Is it really that hard to believe a largely untreated mentally ill person took a gun into the school they associated most of their life with and had been kicked out of, and started shooting? I don't understand why at least in this case, we need to look beyond the obvious and look for a spaceship behind the comet.

It just does not add up. There is more to the story than what the public is being told. If you only believe what the media tells you, you will forever be lost.

Well, I'm not lost now, so you can stuff the forever part. Instead of the ready boilerplate answer about the country in general, maybe re-read what I wrote, referring to the FL case alone. What doesn't add up in that guy shooting up the school?

[Gavin_Sons]

Like the Los Vegas shooting, there is a lot here that doesn't add up.

A news story I read this morning said the SRO (school resource officer?) stayed outside and radioed in a description of the killer. How could he give a description without going in? Did he just guess who the shooter was?

Why wasn't the shooter entered into the nics system after all his run-ins with the law?

According to Mueller's investigation, the Russian's goal was to cause division in our country. Nothing divides our country more than the gun control issue. Nothing would further our enemy’s goals more than convincing our citizens to disarm. Remember, American citizens are the largest armed group on the planet.

Could a foreign government or a group of them, with millions of dollars and intelligence networks at their disposal engineer some or all of these shootings while counting on copycats to carry out more?

Wouldn't it be prudent after Mueller’s investigation proved some or all of the window breaking anti-Trump riots were fueled by Russians posing as Americans to assume they are, at least partially, behind the new, militant anti-gun push? And possibly some of the shootings also?

I think we are being duped in one way or another. I also think the next time we catch one of these mass murders we should declare them an “enemy combatant” and send them to Gitmo to be interviewed by the professionals. Maybe then we’ll get to the bottom of it.

Is it really that hard to believe a largely untreated mentally ill person took a gun into the school they associated most of their life with and had been kicked out of, and started shooting? I don't understand why at least in this case, we need to look beyond the obvious and look for a spaceship behind the comet.

It just does not add up. There is more to the story than what the public is being told. If you only believe what the media tells you, you will forever be lost.

Well, I'm not lost now, so you can stuff the forever part. Instead of the ready boilerplate answer about the country in general, maybe re-read what I wrote, referring to the FL case alone. What doesn't add up in that guy shooting up the school?

Ummm for starters the 40 some calls the police got about this guy, or maybe even the call he gave the sheriff himself. All the calls to the FBI about him. Why the cops stayed outside while he killed kids inside. And what are you talking about?  Boilerplate answer? I thought we were talking about FL.

[¿spoom]

Like the Los Vegas shooting, there is a lot here that doesn't add up.

A news story I read this morning said the SRO (school resource officer?) stayed outside and radioed in a description of the killer. How could he give a description without going in? Did he just guess who the shooter was?

Why wasn't the shooter entered into the nics system after all his run-ins with the law?

According to Mueller's investigation, the Russian's goal was to cause division in our country. Nothing divides our country more than the gun control issue. Nothing would further our enemy’s goals more than convincing our citizens to disarm. Remember, American citizens are the largest armed group on the planet.

Could a foreign government or a group of them, with millions of dollars and intelligence networks at their disposal engineer some or all of these shootings while counting on copycats to carry out more?

Wouldn't it be prudent after Mueller’s investigation proved some or all of the window breaking anti-Trump riots were fueled by Russians posing as Americans to assume they are, at least partially, behind the new, militant anti-gun push? And possibly some of the shootings also?

I think we are being duped in one way or another. I also think the next time we catch one of these mass murders we should declare them an “enemy combatant” and send them to Gitmo to be interviewed by the professionals. Maybe then we’ll get to the bottom of it.

Is it really that hard to believe a largely untreated mentally ill person took a gun into the school they associated most of their life with and had been kicked out of, and started shooting? I don't understand why at least in this case, we need to look beyond the obvious and look for a spaceship behind the comet.

It just does not add up. There is more to the story than what the public is being told. If you only believe what the media tells you, you will forever be lost.

Well, I'm not lost now, so you can stuff the forever part. Instead of the ready boilerplate answer about the country in general, maybe re-read what I wrote, referring to the FL case alone. What doesn't add up in that guy shooting up the school?

Ummm for starters the 40 some calls the police got about this guy, or maybe even the call he gave the sheriff himself. All the calls to the FBI about him. Why the cops stayed outside while he killed kids inside. And what are you talking about?  Boilerplate answer? I thought we were talking about FL.

To me, " If you only believe what the media tells you, you will forever be lost. " was just a boilerplate statement I've seen elsewhere many times, but had no place directed at me UNLESS you have some evidence yourself that is from outside, "what the media tells you" regarding your claim that it doesn't add up. I say that because I find it hard to fathom that governmental incompetence alone couldn't possibly account for this.  

[¿spoom]

Now HERE'S a story I can't figure out yet-coo coo for cocoa puffs or?

ATLANTA (AP) A social studies teacher barricaded himself inside a classroom at a Georgia high school on Wednesday and fired a handgun in what may have been a warning shot, authorities said.

No students were in the classroom at the time, and the only injury reported was a student who hurt her ankle running when Dalton High School was evacuated. The shooting happened two weeks after a Florida school shooting left 17 students and faculty dead, put the country on edge and ignited a new debate over gun control in America.

The teacher, 53-year-old Jesse Randal Davidson, was taken into custody without incident after a 30- to 45-minute standoff with officers, Dalton police spokesman Bruce Frazier said. Davidson, a teacher since 2004, also serves as the play-by-play announcer for the high school's football team, police said in a tweet .

Police didn't immediately say why Davidson fired the gun, but noted that he aimed away from anyone into an exterior window.

"I don't know whether he was just firing the gun off to let people know to back off or what," Frazier said.

The shooting happened about 11:30 a.m. during Davidson's planning period. Students tried to get into his classroom, but he wouldn't let them in. The students notified the principal, who tried to open the door with a key. That's when Davidson fired the gun and the school was immediately placed on lockdown, authorities said.

It's not clear what charges Davidson will face.

Student Emma Jacobs texted her mother while she hid inside a darkened classroom, her mother, Annmarie Jacobs, told The Associated Press. Emma, a junior, said in texts that her teacher had turned the lights off and told the students to sit in a corner.

Then, in an act that brought home the danger of the situation, Emma texted her mother, "omg she's putting desk in front of the door."

Jacobs said she was driving in Tennessee, about 100 miles (160 kilometers) away from the school, when she got the texts. She said she immediately pulled over and started shaking.

Senior Rowdy Zeisig, 18, said he was eating lunch when the warning came over the intercom.

"Everyone was like, 'Oh my god somebody's going to shoot up the school' ... We're all freaking out like, 'Oh god.'"

Zeisig said he was herded into a classroom and the door was barricaded with a desk and the windows covered.

"When I heard it was a teacher ... I was probably even more confused than afraid," he said.

In the wake of the Florida shooting, some people, including President Donald Trump, have called for arming teachers.

Nathangel Lopez hunkered down with other students and teachers in a gym locker room. While there, he tweeted a photo of teens sitting on benches and called for more gun control.

"This shouldn't happen to us. ... We shouldn't be afraid to go to school. ... I hope a lawmaker somewhere will do something," he wrote.

When he found out that a teacher was involved, he shifted his stance on arming educators.

"I am totally against that. At first, I was thinking that that might have been a good idea. I am now totally against it," he said.

Davidson was described as laid back and smart.

"It was always about the students. He really wanted the students to understand the concept," Zeisig said.

A week ago, police found a "threatening" note on the floor of a classroom at Dalton High, but it wasn't related to the shooting Wednesday.

Threats have been made at schools across the country in the wake of the Feb. 14 shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida.

Dalton has about 2,000 students, according to its website. It is located about 90 miles (145 kilometers) north of Atlanta.

Dalton is known as the Carpet Capital of the World, since much of the carpet for U.S. and world markets is produced within a 25-mile (40-kilometer) radius of the city.

[Jess from VA]

Some people (including teachers) are just whacked. (I like to call them defective units)

But my knee jerk reaction, even before reading through to the end of the article, was that said teacher was doing performance theater, to register his objection to the idea of arming teachers.

That knee jerk reaction was then supported by the comments at the end of the article where a student said:  When he found out that a teacher was involved, he shifted his stance on arming educators.  "I am totally against that.  At first, I was thinking that that might have been a good idea. I am now totally against it," he said.

I hope the performance theater teacher (if that's what it was) gets the full criminal justice experience. (ending up on the list of those with no right to ever own firearms again)

Way to set a fine example for your students buddy.  So after jail, what are your employment plans? (you'll never be allowed in a school again)


Arming teachers is still a very good idea.  But given we are talking teachers here, it must be volunteers only (obviously), and a thorough vetting, maybe to include psychological testing (and training) will be a good idea.

And I mean no offense to our VRCC teacher we have down in TX (or any others) by my comments.  About any time I can think of where we may allow non-LEO or armed forces personnel to be armed in public buildings (for the common defense), some kind of vetting and training has to part of the program.

[3fan4life]

Some people (including teachers) are just whacked. (I like to call them defective units)

But my knee jerk reaction, even before reading through to the end of the article, was that said teacher was doing performance theater, to register his objection to the idea of arming teachers.

That knee jerk reaction was then supported by the comments at the end of the article where a student said:  When he found out that a teacher was involved, he shifted his stance on arming educators.  "I am totally against that.  At first, I was thinking that that might have been a good idea. I am now totally against it," he said.

I hope the performance theater teacher (if that's what it was) gets the full criminal justice experience. (ending up on the list of those with no right to ever own firearms again)

Way to set a fine example for your students buddy.  So after jail, what are your employment plans? (you'll never be allowed in a school again)


Arming teachers is still a very good idea.  But given we are talking teachers here, it must be volunteers only (obviously), and a thorough vetting, maybe to include psychological testing (and training) will be a good idea.

And I mean no offense to our VRCC teacher we have down in TX (or any others) by my comments.  About any time I can think of where we may allow non-LEO or armed forces personnel to be armed in public buildings (for the common defense), some kind of vetting and training has to part of the program.

Maybe George Soros will give him a million or two.

This is exactly the crap that the lefties eat up hook line and sinker.

They are scrambling for anything that will take attention away from what the cops in FL didn't do.


One fact that cannot be disputed is that the police who were supposed to protect those children refused to do it.

If the police cannot be counted on to take care of our children then arming teachers who will is the answer.

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http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/trump-take-the-guns-first-due-process-later.html

[Gavin_Sons]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/trump-take-the-guns-first-due-process-later.html

This is stupid, Trump is completely wrong on this. Since when are you guilty until proven innocent?

[Serk]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/trump-take-the-guns-first-due-process-later.html

This is stupid, Trump is completely wrong on this. Since when are you guilty until proven innocent?

Thinking deeper on this, the idea still makes me queasy, but if some iron clad safeguards were put in place, such as:

-Making false claims is a hard felony.
-Maximum 48 hours before a hearing.
-All expenses related to the hearing are covered.
-Methods in place of appealing the ruling from the due process hearing.
(I'm sure out shyster friends could word those better and probably expand upon them, but you get the idea.)

I wouldn't be QUITE as opposed to such a thing.

Of course, it'd only take once for someone to be disarmed, go to their hearing, get their guns back, and THEN go on a rampage that all the safeguards would be blown out...

[Gavin_Sons]

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2018/02/trump-take-the-guns-first-due-process-later.html

This is stupid, Trump is completely wrong on this. Since when are you guilty until proven innocent?

Thinking deeper on this, the idea still makes me queasy, but if some iron clad safeguards were put in place, such as:

-Making false claims is a hard felony.
-Maximum 48 hours before a hearing.
-All expenses related to the hearing are covered.
-Methods in place of appealing the ruling from the due process hearing.
(I'm sure out shyster friends could word those better and probably expand upon them, but you get the idea.)

I wouldn't be QUITE as opposed to such a thing.

Of course, it'd only take once for someone to be disarmed, go to their hearing, get their guns back, and THEN go on a rampage that all the safeguards would be blown out...

How about we enforce the laws we already have before we add new ones? Just like that guy on here a couple years ago when we were having a gun debate, said he could shoot my eye out at 30 feet. I said, Wow, you can shoot a gun a whole 10 yards  Should i have been able to call and get his guns removed for threatening me? I talked to one of our engineers yesterday and he wants law passed that will let anyone call and make a complaint about anyone and the police go and take their guns. I was like, wait a minute. You're saying i could call the police on you and lie about you being a threat and they would come take your guns until you are proven not to be a threat? That is the same thing Trump wants done and it is not right. Lets enforce the laws we already have before we start adding more that we will not enforce in 5 years.

[Skinhead]

Which other right of ours can you suspend solely on a suspicion.  If they take away a persons ability to defend them self, with out due process, and that person is then killed or injured, can the person making the false claim or those that confiscated his weapons be held libel for violating their constitutional right?  The way some liberals think (some conservatives too, but mostly liberals), I am concerned that their fuzzy logic will lead to violations of rights.  In a hypothetical situation, say someone decides they want to do you harm and they know you own several weapons, what would prevent them from reporting you having your ability to defend yourself and your family reduced to reduce the risk to them if they decided to come after you?  And since they already got the ball rolling, they could then claim they had to defend THEMSELVES from you retailiating agaist them for turning you in.  I'm against this without a court order.  Streamline the process for obtaining a court order, but due process first.  Trump is F'ing up like Obama if he caves on this one.

[baldo]

 Trump is F'ing up like Obama if he caves on this one.

Are you referring to Obama's big gun grab that never happened?