Widows and Orphans

[WilliamRS]

...more widows and orphan I'm sure...

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/18/report-8-syrians-caught-at-texas-border-in-laredo/

two families (2 men, 2 women and 4 children) turned themselves in at the official Larado border crossing.  

So then... neither widows nor orphans...

nope, just 8 of the 4 million syrians that have been displaced by war.  can't imagine what they have gone thru to make it from syria to the texas border.  

How can you be sure these 8 are here because they are displaced by war and not here to make it?

And we know terrorists from Syria are amongst them. France found out the hard way.

when did our country become so afraid that we quiver in our boots when two families (with children) enter our country?   personally, my biggest concerns are left turners and/or a mentally ill american shooting up the local theater/church/school.

[unless something new has been reported, so far, none of the attackers in france are from syria.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11996120/Paris-attack-what-we-know-about-the-suspects.html

]

[Serk]

unless something new has been reported, so far, none of the attackers in france are from syria.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11996120/Paris-attack-what-we-know-about-the-suspects.html

While it appears none of the attackers were Syrian citizens, there is still one major point in common almost all of them have. (Bold and underline added for emphasis)

From linked article:

Omar Ismail Mostefai.....The Frenchman born to Algerian parents was a known radical and is believed to have trained with Isil inside Syria last year.

Bilal Hadfi..... fought with Islamic State in Syria as recently as this spring, using the names Abu Moudjahid Al-Belgiki and Bilal Al Mouhajir.

Ahmad Al Mohammad.....carrying a fake Syrian passport.....possibility the man was using the fake passport to re-enter Europe, possibly because his real identity was on a watch list.

Samy Amimour.....went missing and was suspected of having travelled to Syria to join Islamic State.

Abdel Hamid Abaaoud.....was believed to be the leaders of the Vervier cell of returned Syrian jihadists

Some evidence points to the attack having been planned in Syria

strong chance that at least some were among the thousands of European “foreign fighters” who have travelled to Syria and Iraq to fight. If so, they will have graduated from Isil’s training camps, schooled by the group’s leaders

An estimated 520 French nationals are fighting in Syria and another 250 have returned to France, officials said.

[Bighead]

...more widows and orphan I'm sure...

http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/11/18/report-8-syrians-caught-at-texas-border-in-laredo/

two families (2 men, 2 women and 4 children) turned themselves in at the official Larado border crossing.  

So then... neither widows nor orphans...

nope, just 8 of the 4 million syrians that have been displaced by war.  can't imagine what they have gone thru to make it from syria to the texas border.  

How can you be sure these 8 are here because they are displaced by war and not here to make it?

And we know terrorists from Syria are amongst them. France found out the hard way.

when did our country become so afraid that we quiver in our boots when two families (with children) enter our country?   personally, my biggest concerns are left turners and/or a mentally ill american shooting up the local theater/church/school.

[unless something new has been reported, so far, none of the attackers in france are from syria.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11996120/Paris-attack-what-we-know-about-the-suspects.html
You should put up a tent city in your front yard and have about 100 come stay at your place
]

[G-Man]

Isn't it curious how the 2 families that ended up in Laredo got there.

I heard yesterday that fake refugees were found in Honduras.

[Patrick]

Isn't it curious how the 2 families that ended up in Laredo got there.

I heard yesterday that fake refugees were found in Honduras.

Yep, they were caught there. I have to wonder if we would have.

[Daddie O]

Maybe if the Republican presidential candidates didn't wet their panties when asked a tougher question by debate moderators they wouldn't be made fun of.

Your leading candidate thinks there should be a national muslim database.  The next step if forcing muslim Americans to wear yellow crescents on their sleeves.  Your lack of compassion for people being persecuted is sickening.  The same ideology didn't want to take in Jews during WWII

The people in this thread saying that those who cheered on 9/11 should be shot and dumped into a river are disgusting human beings.  Cheering on 9/11 was abhorrent, but suggesting a death sentence for those that did is even worse.

[Wizzard]

Maybe if the Republican presidential candidates didn't wet their panties when asked a tougher question by debate moderators they wouldn't be made fun of.

Your leading candidate thinks there should be a national muslim database.  The next step if forcing muslim Americans to wear yellow crescents on their sleeves.  Your lack of compassion for people being persecuted is sickening.  The same ideology didn't want to take in Jews during WWII

The people in this thread saying that those who cheered on 9/11 should be shot and dumped into a river are disgusting human beings.  Cheering on 9/11 was abhorrent, but suggesting a death sentence for those that did is even worse.

I would say that if this thread makes you sick as you alude then for your health maybe you better not read it.
Also if there are disgusting human beings here , then maybe you should not associate with them by posting.
When it comes to republicans in general you seem like the ultimate Bigot.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Wizzard, I think you mean allude not elude. The idea of not wanting to help people who are being persecuted goes against our collective morality as a country. We interned the Japanese during WWII. I think most would agree it was wrong and a mistake. Do we really want to do something similar ? Is it really a free and democratic society if we are only caring to Christians ?

[Wizzard]

Meathead,, yes you are correct, and I agree with you on this completely, but calling people names and saying they make you sick, is not productive conversation.

[Patrick]

It might be nice if a person that doesn't like this abhorrent person just stop associating with him. Thats simple enough.
I'll have no compassion for anyone that cheers over dead Americans. But, after some reflection, you're right. Just toss them in the river and see if they can get out before they reach the falls.

Should we profile ? Yep.  

Should we come up with a good way to vet refugee's ? Yep.

So should we hold off before allowing any in ?  Yep.

Anyone that wants to come to this country should not be a threat and should do so legally.

[G-Man]

I keep hearing about the Jews as an analogy.  Jews didn't want to kill us.  Jews never threatened us in any way.

We've accepted people from all walks of life who have been persecuted or who have sought political asylum.  Even from the Soviet Union during the cold war. However, there was no terroristic threat when we have done this. Not even from the Soviet Union.

Now, there is a definitive terroristic threat, from a specific group of people, who have posed as political/war refugees.  If people can't see the difference between this time and ALL the other times, it's due to ideology and surely not common sense. 

[Valkorado]

It's fair.  He has as much respect for the opposition as they have for him.

Some of us aren't watching closely enough.  The President of the United States is a Muslim sympathizer at best.  At worst he is a closet Muslim.  Our real problem isn't with the President.  His term ends in a year or so but the voters that brought him to that position will continue to vote well into the future.

If you watch really close, you'll see that he's pretty much out of the closet.  And if he isn't the real problem, he's a big part of it.

IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who on ABC News referenced - "My Muslim faith."
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who gave $100 million in U.S. taxpayer funds to
re-build foreign mosques.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who wrote that in the event of a conflict -"I will
stand with the Muslims."
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who assured the Egyptian Foreign Minister that -
"I am a Muslim."
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who bowed in submission before the Saudi King.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who sat for 20 years in a Liberation Theology
Church condemning Christianity and professing Marxism.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who exempted Muslims from penalties under
Obamacare that the rest of us have to pay.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who purposefully omitted - "endowed by our
Creator" - from your recitation of The Declaration Of Independence.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who mocked the Bible and Jesus Christ's Sermon On
The Mount while repeatedly referring to the 'HOLY' Quran.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who traveled the Islamic world denigrating the
United States Of America.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who instantly threw the support of your
administration behind the building of the Ground Zero Victory mosque
overlooking the hallowed crater of the World Trade Center.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who refused to attend the National Prayer
Breakfast, but hastened to host an Islamic prayer breakfast at the WH.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who ordered Georgetown Univ. and Notre Dame to
shroud all vestiges of Jesus Christ BEFORE you would agree to go there to
speak, but in contrast, you have NEVER requested that the mosques you have
visited adjust their decor.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who appointed anti-Christian fanatics to your Czar
Corps.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who appointed rabid Islamists to Homeland
Security.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who said that NASA's "foremost mission" was an
outreach to Muslim communities.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who as an Illinois Senator was the ONLY individual
who would speak in favor of infanticide.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who were the first President not to give a
Christmas Greeting from the WH, and went so far as to hang photos of
Chairman Mao on the WH tree.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who curtailed the military tribunals of all
Islamic terrorists.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who refused to condemn the Ft. Hood killer as an
Islamic terrorist.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who has refused to speak-out concerning the
horrific executions of women throughout the Muslim culture, but yet, have
submitted Arizona to the UN for investigation of hypothetical human-rights
abuses.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who when queried in India refused to acknowledge
the true extent of radical global Jihadists, and instead profusely praised
Islam in a country that is 82% Hindu and the victim of numerous Islamic
terrorists assaults.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who funneled $900 Million in U.S. taxpayer dollars
to Hamas.
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who ordered the USPS to honor the MUSLIM holiday
with a new commemorative stamp.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who directed our UK Embassy to conduct outreach to
help "empower" the British Muslim community.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who embraced the fanatical Muslim Brotherhood in
your quest to overthrow the Egyptian President, Hosni Mubarak.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who funded mandatory Arabic language and culture
studies in Grammar schools across our country.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who follows the Muslim custom of not wearing any
form of jewelry during Ramadan.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who departs for Hawaii over the Christmas season
so as to avoid past criticism for NOT participating in seasonal WH religious
events.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who was uncharacteristically quick to join the
chorus of the Muslim Brotherhood to depose Egypt's Hosni Mubarak, formerly
America's strongest ally in North Africa; but, remain muted in your
non-response to the Brotherhood led slaughter of Egyptian Christians.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who appointed your chief adviser, Valerie Jarrett,
an Iranian, who is a member of the Muslim Sisterhood, an off-shoot of the
Muslim Brotherhood
   
   The above facts provide the basis for virtually everything Obama
does.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Meathead,, yes you are correct, and I agree with you on this completely, but calling people names and saying they make you sick, is not productive conversation.

I'm with you buddy 

[Moonshot_1]

Wizzard, I think you mean allude not elude. The idea of not wanting to help people who are being persecuted goes against our collective morality as a country. We interned the Japanese during WWII. I think most would agree it was wrong and a mistake. Do we really want to do something similar ? Is it really a free and democratic society if we are only caring to Christians ?

Are you suggesting that we can be a free and democratic society under Sharia Law? Isn't the implementation of Sharia Law a goal of Islam?

Don't believe they are compatible.

We care for Buddhist, Hindus, Jews, even flying spaghetti monster people. Their Faith abides by the laws of the country.

With Islam, the Laws of the Country must abide by their faith or actively seek to make it so.

As to the Japanese internment camps.
Pretty easy to pass judgement on that 70+ years later.

But at the time, not many would have batted an eye if they got rounded up and shot. We were at war after all. Germany and Hitler dispatched millions of Jews. They weren't even at war. The Human mentality can be a wicked thing. But we put the Japanese up in camps.  This did 2 things.
It helped to isolate the enemy agents who could blend in with this particular group and it kept them safely away from the general population whom the government couldn't control effectively.

How many American citizens of Japanese descent were murdered because they were just Japanese? I don't know. Just wondering if that happened at the time.

So while we can lament that the Japanese were interred in camps, I'm ok with it considering how much worse it could have been.

[WilliamRS]

yes, i would welcome a refuge family in my home.  the refuges being accepted into our country have been vetted for almost 2 years.  thats two years of living in a refuge camp or refuge housing waiting to move on with their lives

and before that they had to make their way out of their war torn country (have y'all seen pictures of syria?) to those refuge camps.  being cautious is one thing, but being fearful and hateful because of the possiblity of a 'bad' guy making it thru the system just doesn't make sense.  we face many dangers every day that have a higher probablity  of personal harm than being harmed by a 'fake' refuge.

We used to be an 'exceptional' country, perhaps we should reclaim and embrace the moral values that make us the 'greatest' country on earth.  traveling the moral high ground is worth the minimal personal risks

[Wizzard]

It all works as long as everyone respects each other and their lives. Soon as your "religion" tells you to kill someone,, then it does not work.
My moral compass tells me to kill no one but I must defend myself. If someone  else's religion says they must kill me because I am in infidel then I go back to the moral compass and I must defend myself.

Its not hard to see where this president stands on religion. He wears a ring that says in Arabic "Allah is the only god"

[Patrick]

I have a sneaking suspicion that the 'widows and orphans' would be glad to come here and be housed in internment camps.  It would be a heck of a better life than they have now. Maybe thats an option.

From what I've read of the Japanese camps here the life was not too bad. We had to be careful.

There were several prison camps for Germans in this area during WW2 and most if not all wanted to stay here after the war. They were treated better here in those camps than by their own military and country.

[WilliamRS]

It's fair.  He has as much respect for the opposition as they have for him.

Some of us aren't watching closely enough.  The President of the United States is a Muslim sympathizer at best.  At worst he is a closet Muslim.  Our real problem isn't with the President.  His term ends in a year or so but the voters that brought him to that position will continue to vote well into the future.

If you watch really close, you'll see that he's pretty much out of the closet.  And if he isn't the real problem, he's a big part of it.

IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who on ABC News referenced - "My Muslim faith."
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who gave $100 million in U.S. taxpayer funds to
re-build foreign mosques.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who wrote that in the event of a conflict -"I will
stand with the Muslims."
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who assured the Egyptian Foreign Minister that -
"I am a Muslim."
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who bowed in submission before the Saudi King.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who sat for 20 years in a Liberation Theology
Church condemning Christianity and professing Marxism.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who exempted Muslims from penalties under
Obamacare that the rest of us have to pay.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who purposefully omitted - "endowed by our
Creator" - from your recitation of The Declaration Of Independence.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who mocked the Bible and Jesus Christ's Sermon On
The Mount while repeatedly referring to the 'HOLY' Quran.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who traveled the Islamic world denigrating the
United States Of America.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who instantly threw the support of your
administration behind the building of the Ground Zero Victory mosque
overlooking the hallowed crater of the World Trade Center.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who refused to attend the National Prayer
Breakfast, but hastened to host an Islamic prayer breakfast at the WH.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who ordered Georgetown Univ. and Notre Dame to
shroud all vestiges of Jesus Christ BEFORE you would agree to go there to
speak, but in contrast, you have NEVER requested that the mosques you have
visited adjust their decor.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who appointed anti-Christian fanatics to your Czar
Corps.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who appointed rabid Islamists to Homeland
Security.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who said that NASA's "foremost mission" was an
outreach to Muslim communities.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who as an Illinois Senator was the ONLY individual
who would speak in favor of infanticide.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who were the first President not to give a
Christmas Greeting from the WH, and went so far as to hang photos of
Chairman Mao on the WH tree.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who curtailed the military tribunals of all
Islamic terrorists.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who refused to condemn the Ft. Hood killer as an
Islamic terrorist.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who has refused to speak-out concerning the
horrific executions of women throughout the Muslim culture, but yet, have
submitted Arizona to the UN for investigation of hypothetical human-rights
abuses.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who when queried in India refused to acknowledge
the true extent of radical global Jihadists, and instead profusely praised
Islam in a country that is 82% Hindu and the victim of numerous Islamic
terrorists assaults.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who funneled $900 Million in U.S. taxpayer dollars
to Hamas.
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who ordered the USPS to honor the MUSLIM holiday
with a new commemorative stamp.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who directed our UK Embassy to conduct outreach to
help "empower" the British Muslim community.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who embraced the fanatical Muslim Brotherhood in
your quest to overthrow the Egyptian President, Hosni Mubarak.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who funded mandatory Arabic language and culture
studies in Grammar schools across our country.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who follows the Muslim custom of not wearing any
form of jewelry during Ramadan.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who departs for Hawaii over the Christmas season
so as to avoid past criticism for NOT participating in seasonal WH religious
events.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who was uncharacteristically quick to join the
chorus of the Muslim Brotherhood to depose Egypt's Hosni Mubarak, formerly
America's strongest ally in North Africa; but, remain muted in your
non-response to the Brotherhood led slaughter of Egyptian Christians.
   
   IT WAS YOU, OBAMA who appointed your chief adviser, Valerie Jarrett,
an Iranian, who is a member of the Muslim Sisterhood, an off-shoot of the
Muslim Brotherhood
   
   The above facts provide the basis for virtually everything Obama
does.

most  of these are false 'facts' or misrepresentations of actual events.

for instance, Valerie Jarrett is not an iranian.  both of her parents are american citizens.

for instance, CNSnews (hardly a left wing source) debunked the  Georgetown Univ meme  about covering up religious images.

"....CNSNews.com noted that while the "IHS" behind the president’s podium wasn’t visible, "the letters ‘IHS’ are posted elsewhere around the hall approximately 26 times" and that Obama mentioned Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount in his remarks. There are also religious paintings visible high above Obama’s head in MSNBC’s video of the speech. ..."
http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/obama-at-georgetown/

[The emperor has no clothes]

Wizzard, I think you mean allude not elude. The idea of not wanting to help people who are being persecuted goes against our collective morality as a country. We interned the Japanese during WWII. I think most would agree it was wrong and a mistake. Do we really want to do something similar ? Is it really a free and democratic society if we are only caring to Christians ?

Are you suggesting that we can be a free and democratic society under Sharia Law? Isn't the implementation of Sharia Law a goal of Islam?

Don't believe they are compatible.

We care for Buddhist, Hindus, Jews, even flying spaghetti monster people. Their Faith abides by the laws of the country.

With Islam, the Laws of the Country must abide by their faith or actively seek to make it so.

As to the Japanese internment camps.
Pretty easy to pass judgement on that 70+ years later.

But at the time, not many would have batted an eye if they got rounded up and shot. We were at war after all. Germany and Hitler dispatched millions of Jews. They weren't even at war. The Human mentality can be a wicked thing. But we put the Japanese up in camps.  This did 2 things.
It helped to isolate the enemy agents who could blend in with this particular group and it kept them safely away from the general population whom the government couldn't control effectively.

How many American citizens of Japanese descent were murdered because they were just Japanese? I don't know. Just wondering if that happened at the time.

So while we can lament that the Japanese were interred in camps, I'm ok with it considering how much worse it could have been.

I suggest nothing of the sort. Every refugee that comes here must abide by our laws. Your example of people being in favor of interning the japanese at the time, makes my point. Some of us are too easy to rush to judgement . We should be able to learn from our mistakes.

[Patrick]

If there is one that we have learned from history is that we don't learn from history.

[Valkorado]

Every refugee that comes here must abide by our laws.

But what if they don't?  If some are willing to die for their cause they probably don't give a hoot about our infidel laws.  We're not talking about jaywalking.  The stakes are higher today than ever before.

[bohica66]

Question, an orphan is a child that has lost both parents, so how did ALL (by the way, just how many orphans are there) these orphans manage to make the long journey out of Syria? When I look at video of the hordes of "refugees" I see a few women and children and a huge amount of fighting age men. How do you vet these people? The people carrying out the terror attacks are not radicals, they are fundamentalists. They are doing exactly what the Quran and Hadiths by Mohammed call for against the infidels or Kafir. If you have'nt done so, take some time to read the Quran and the Hadiths (writings on how Mohammed led his life). It's a real eyeopener, you'll look at the Mid East Muslims in a whole different light. Charley Manson looks like a boyscout next to Mohammed.

[Daddie O]

There is a problem with your line of logic.  You think Syrian Refugee = Terrorist = Death of Americans.
We have already allowed in over 2000 Syrian refugees in the past decade, and not one of them has been involved in a terrorist attack.

What ever happened to:

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Do you think that only applies to YOUR ancestors?  Or maybe it only applies to Christians?  You say, but there are bad Muslims that want to kill us!  I believe that Christians have killed far more Muslims than the other way around, and we still let them in.

[The emperor has no clothes]

Every refugee that comes here must abide by our laws.

But what if they don't?  If some are willing to die for their cause they probably don't give a hoot about our infidel laws.  We're not talking about jaywalking.  The stakes are higher today than ever before.

There are citizens among us willing and able to kill us. Would you have all the people who spew hate locked up because they might do harm ? The stakes are higher today than ever before with them also. I'm not suggesting we let anybody and everybody in as refugees. I'm suggesting we be smart and compassionate towards people that are being terrorized. Why do you think ISIS has changed their tactics and done these acts of terror ? I would present that it is because their plan of taking over all of the Arab govts. is failing. They see the need to switch gears. They wish to make this an all out war of the West against all of Islam. With this rhetoric we are playing into their hands. Even George W. Bush could see the folly of this.

[The emperor has no clothes]

I keep hearing about the Jews as an analogy.  Jews didn't want to kill us.  Jews never threatened us in any way.

We've accepted people from all walks of life who have been persecuted or who have sought political asylum.  Even from the Soviet Union during the cold war. However, there was no terroristic threat when we have done this. Not even from the Soviet Union.

Now, there is a definitive terroristic threat, from a specific group of people, who have posed as political/war refugees.  If people can't see the difference between this time and ALL the other times, it's due to ideology and surely not common sense. 

G-Man, I'm sure I don't need to tell you the story of Jewish people aboard the ship St. Louis trying to receive asylum in our country before WWII. For those who don't know the story. They were sent back because we didn't want them coming here. Many ended up in the death camps.

[Crackerborn]

There is a problem with your line of logic.  You think Syrian Refugee = Terrorist = Death of Americans.
We have already allowed in over 2000 Syrian refugees in the past decade, and not one of them has been involved in a terrorist attack.

What ever happened to:

Not like the brazen giant of Greek fame,
With conquering limbs astride from land to land;
Here at our sea-washed, sunset gates shall stand
A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame
Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name
Mother of Exiles. From her beacon-hand
Glows world-wide welcome; her mild eyes command
The air-bridged harbor that twin cities frame.
"Keep, ancient lands, your storied pomp!" cries she
With silent lips. "Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Do you think that only applies to YOUR ancestors?  Or maybe it only applies to Christians?  You say, but there are bad Muslims that want to kill us!  I believe that Christians have killed far more Muslims than the other way around, and we still let them in.

"yearning to breath free" is the operative phrase here. Shari law forbids that, if you don't believe that, please feel free to move to the Middle East where the Muslim priests will correct you. Or actually read the Koran.

This country is a collection of cultures, religions, and ethnic backgrounds that make it the ultimate melting pot that it is. Your opinion use welcome here even if I disagree with it. In many parts of the world, a publicly voiced dissension opinion will get a jail term or worse. Can you explain why this country should accept peoples that have no desire to be citizens of our country?

And while you are at that task, please tell me why a refugee to this country should receive privileges that many wait years to get, i.e. citizenship? Talk to a Polish emigrant if you don't believe the inequity of our current system, apparently the quota has been reached there.

[Daddie O]

Refusing entry to our country on the basis of religion is about the most Un-American sentiment ever. 

[Oss]

crackerborn ya beat me to it  YEARNING TO BE FREE means by definition free of Sharia law

In another ?  post I bemoaned the loss of Ellis Island

There MUST be a middle place,  a safe place, a proving ground where over time, immigrants and refugees can learn what citizenship will require, swear the oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America and if they break it they suffer consequences including jail and deportation

I think ALL americans should have id cards for voting and selective service including mandatory civil service for all 18 year olds.  It should be a requirement for insurance and social security. All of our young people should do civil service to help our country if not for the simple reason they need to know there is more than their IPOD. I do NOT believe one's religion should be on such an ID card.  One's actions should suffice alone

According to the cleric who shout Death to America it is obvious that Islamic law is wholly incompatable with democracy as it does not recognize either democracy or the various other religions as equals.
They are supposed to lie to us to defeat us. DaddyO I certainly hope you are not believing that there is such a thing as moderate moslems that could control the faithful fanatics.  The history of the world suggests otherwise

For this reason I am afraid that our country is doomed should it elect
a Democrat this time around

While Trump speaks what is on many people's minds, he has not developed the filter that accomplished liars (politicians) have such as Hillary Clinton.  such as Trump did not actually say what you said he said, the journalist said it. Trump failed to see the bait as he is NOT a career politician. That is a plus for he and Carson

One of my childhood friends (still a close friend) father was in a camp as he is named Yamasaki. After the war he became an engineer and was in charge of erecting that giant antenna that was on the WTC. One of my uncles, a WWII Jewish Marine was head electrician on WTC itself. One can survive one's misery and travails if one wishes to do so regardless of where you come from if you swear to protect this country you should get a chance to do so you pay the price and you can stay and prosper. But if you come here as a refugee and turn out to be a  terrorist or bomber you should die

YMMV

[Bighead]

Refusing entry to our country on the basis of religion is about the most Un-American sentiment ever.  

No not refusing entry just refusing immediate entry! Why don't you host a couple of families that haven't been checked out since as you have stated many times in the past you pay more taxes that any of us make ( and you have no idea of the people you speak to)  and if they get out of line with US law you take responsibility for there actions  ( they commit a crime you do the time ). It just sickens me how people think we need to take in 10 k refugees and set them up and pay for them when we have vets living in gutters and can't get the help they need. How about the government taking care of their own before we do such a thing. I am not against helping people but would it not be better to make it so that they could stay in their own country?

[Bighead]

crackerborn ya beat me to it  YEARNING TO BE FREE means by definition free of Sharia law

In another ?  post I bemoaned the loss of Ellis Island

There MUST be a middle place,  a safe place, a proving ground where over time, immigrants and refugees can learn what citizenship will require, swear the oath to defend the Constitution of the United States of America and if they break it they suffer consequences including jail and deportation

I think ALL americans should have id cards for voting and selective service including mandatory civil service for all 18 year olds.  It should be a requirement for insurance and social security. All of our young people should do civil service to help our country if not for the simple reason they need to know there is more than their IPOD. I do NOT believe one's religion should be on such an ID card.  One's actions should suffice alone

According to the cleric who shout Death to America it is obvious that Islamic law is wholly incompatable with democracy as it does not recognize either democracy or the various other religions as equals.
They are supposed to lie to us to defeat us. DaddyO I certainly hope you are not believing that there is such a thing as moderate moslems that could control the faithful fanatics.  The history of the world suggests otherwise

For this reason I am afraid that our country is doomed should it elect
a Democrat this time around

While Trump speaks what is on many people's minds, he has not developed the filter that accomplished liars (politicians) have such as Hillary Clinton.  such as Trump did not actually say what you said he said, the journalist said it. Trump failed to see the bait as he is NOT a career politician. That is a plus for he and Carson

One of my childhood friends (still a close friend) father was in a camp as he is named Yamasaki. After the war he became an engineer and was in charge of erecting that giant antenna that was on the WTC. One of my uncles, a WWII Jewish Marine was head electrician on WTC itself. One can survive one's misery and travails if one wishes to do so regardless of where you come from if you swear to protect this country you should get a chance to do so you pay the price and you can stay and prosper. But if you come here as a refugee and turn out to be a  terrorist or bomber you should die

YMMV

OSS my friend you hit a home run here brother

[3fan4life]

The next step if forcing muslim Americans to wear yellow crescents on their sleeves.  Your lack of compassion for people being persecuted is sickening.  The same ideology didn't want to take in Jews during WWII

Hitler had the right idea, He just persecuted the wrong religion.

Had he sent 6 million Muslims to the gas chamber history would recognize him as a hero instead of the villain that he was.

[3fan4life]

This 22-year-old woman had two children: one 18 months, and one 3 1/2. This vile piece of crap walked up to a checkpoint in Jerusalem and blew herself up, killing four Israelis, injuring 10 other people, and leaving her two kids to become jihadi orphans.

In a video testimonial recorded before her mission, Reem al-Riyashi explained why she became a suicide bomber: "I hope that the shredded limbs of my body would be shrapnel, tearing Zionists to pieces," she stated. "How often I dreamed, how often I desired to carry out a Shahada-seeking [suicide] operation inside Israel, and by perseverance, and with Allah's grace, my wish was fulfilled as I wanted."

They're blowing themselves up all over the Middle East and now Europe.

No more BS Syrian Trojan horse refugees in America!

[Crackerborn]

Refusing entry to our country on the basis of religion is about the most Un-American sentiment ever.  

Can you tell me who suggested legal immigrants be asked their religious preferences? Refugees are not necessarily legal immigrants. By definition, refugees are only temporary until they can return to their own country.

The last time I looked at a map, Syria is not our next door neighbor. So again, that this country is accepting Syrian refugees is pure goodwill on our part. Proper vetting for those that wish to come here as guests of our country should be expected.

[Oss]

sorry 3fan  we disagree here

I cant abide the thought of someone killing 6 million peaceful people
of any kind  just because of accident of their birth  Maybe you havent lost so many relatives to the mad austrian

Now a person or country who has declared war on us, game on


We have the ability to Identify them and eliminate (the biblical word I believe is proscribe) them but do we have a commander in chief who cares?

[Bighead]

sorry 3fan  we disagree here

I cant abide the thought of someone killing 6 million peaceful people


Now a person  who has declared war on us, game on
 do we have a commander in chief who cares?

Agreed and HELL no it is laughable to think that POS cares about any AMERICAN other than the ones with his values.

[3fan4life]

sorry 3fan  we disagree here

I cant abide the thought of someone killing 6 million peaceful people
of any kind  just because of accident of their birth  Maybe you havent lost so many relatives to the mad austrian

Now a person or country who has declared war on us, game on


We have the ability to Identify them and eliminate (the biblical word I believe is proscribe) them but do we have a commander in chief who cares?

My stance is that there are NO innocent Muslims.

No not all of them are going to strap on an explosive vest and walk into a crowded coliseum.

But their lack of expressed outrage when one of their kind does so, implies complicity.   

They may not all be willing to murder in the name of Islam but they seem to be damn proud of those who are!


Don't misunderstand me here, I am in NO way implying that Hitler was anything other than a vile and evil being.

I am saying though that if he had murdered 6 million Muslims instead of 6 million Jews that he would've been doing the world a favor.

A stance that I believe recent history supports.

[The emperor has no clothes]

sorry 3fan  we disagree here

I cant abide the thought of someone killing 6 million peaceful people
of any kind  just because of accident of their birth  Maybe you havent lost so many relatives to the mad austrian

Now a person or country who has declared war on us, game on


We have the ability to Identify them and eliminate (the biblical word I believe is proscribe) them but do we have a commander in chief who cares?

My stance is that there are NO innocent Muslims.

No not all of them are going to strap on an explosive vest and walk into a crowded coliseum.

But their lack of expressed outrage when one of their kind does so, implies complicity.   

They may not all be willing to murder in the name of Islam but they seem to be damn proud of those who are!


Don't misunderstand me here, I am in NO way implying that Hitler was anything other than a vile and evil being.

I am saying though that if he had murdered 6 million Muslims instead of 6 million Jews that he would've been doing the world a favor.

A stance that I believe recent history supports.

This stance doesn't seem very Christian like. But what do I know ? But if you are so sure of your beliefs it seems the responsible thing for you to do would be to kill every Muslim you see on sight. Otherwise aren't you complicit in their evil deeds ? Of course I am being sarcastic here. I hope you can see the error in your thinking. 

[3fan4life]

sorry 3fan  we disagree here

I cant abide the thought of someone killing 6 million peaceful people
of any kind  just because of accident of their birth  Maybe you havent lost so many relatives to the mad austrian

Now a person or country who has declared war on us, game on


We have the ability to Identify them and eliminate (the biblical word I believe is proscribe) them but do we have a commander in chief who cares?

My stance is that there are NO innocent Muslims.

No not all of them are going to strap on an explosive vest and walk into a crowded coliseum.

But their lack of expressed outrage when one of their kind does so, implies complicity.   

They may not all be willing to murder in the name of Islam but they seem to be damn proud of those who are!


Don't misunderstand me here, I am in NO way implying that Hitler was anything other than a vile and evil being.

I am saying though that if he had murdered 6 million Muslims instead of 6 million Jews that he would've been doing the world a favor.

A stance that I believe recent history supports.

This stance doesn't seem very Christian like. But what do I know ? But if you are so sure of your beliefs it seems the responsible thing for you to do would be to kill every Muslim you see on sight. Otherwise aren't you complicit in their evil deeds ? Of course I am being sarcastic here. I hope you can see the error in your thinking. 

There is NO error in my thinking.

No where is it written that being a Christian means you must be a doormat.

No where is it written that as a Christian you must allow others to torture and kill you and your loved ones.

What you and others who think that there is such a thing as a good muslim fail to realize is that Islam has declared war on the rest of the world.

You can bet that if given a chance those "good" muslims would be more than happy to kill you and your entire family of "infidels".

Those who think that Christians, Jews or (insert any other faith here) can be "real" friends with Muslims has their head buried in the sand.

Islam has one single minded agenda and that is to dominate the world.

Islam has NO interest in religious freedom.

Islam has NO interest in democracy.

The fact is that religious freedom and democracy are enemies of Islam and always will be.

The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. 

Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. 

Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.


Here are some things that the Koran says the following about the Jews, Christians, and other “unbelievers”:

“O you who believe! do not take the Jews and the Christians for friends; they are friends of each other; and whoever amongst you takes them for a friend, then surely he is one of them; surely Allah does not guide the unjust people.” (Sura 5, verse 51).

“And the Jews say: Uzair is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah DESTROY them; how they are turned away!” (Sura 9, verse 30).

“And the Jews will not be pleased with you, nor the Christians until you follow their religion. Say: Surely Allah's guidance, that is the (true) guidance. And if you follow their desires after the knowledge that has come to you, you shall have no guardian from Allah, nor any helper.” (Sura 2, verse 120).

“And KILL them (the unbelievers) wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.” (Sura 2, verse 191).

“Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends rather than believers; and whoever does this, he shall have nothing of (the guardianship of) Allah, but you should guard yourselves against them, guarding carefully; and Allah makes you cautious of (retribution from) Himself; and to Allah is the eventual coming.” (Sura 3, verse 28).

“And guard yourselves against the fire which has been prepared for the unbelievers.” (Sura 3, verse 131)

“And when you journey in the earth, there is no blame on you if you shorten the prayer, if you fear that those who disbelieve will cause you distress, surely the unbelievers are your open ENEMY.” (Sura 4, verse 101).

“O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness; and know that Allah is with those who guard (against evil).” (Sura 9, verse 123).

“Surely We have prepared for the unbelievers chains and shackles and a burning fire.” (Sura 76, verse 4).

“O you who believe! if you obey a party from among those who have been given the Book (The Jews and Christians), they will turn you back as unbelievers after you have believed.” (Sura 3, verse 100).

“And their taking usury (interests on money) though indeed they were forbidden it and their devouring the property of people falsely, and We have prepared for the unbelievers from among them a painful chastisement.” (Sura 4. verse 161).

“Surely Allah has cursed the unbelievers (Jews, Christians and followers of other faiths) and has prepared for them a burning fire.” (Sura 33, verse 64).

“And whoever does not believe in Allah and His Apostle, then surely We have prepared burning fire for the unbelievers.” (Sura 48, verse 13).



http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/quran/023-violence.htm

http://www.truthandgrace.com/muslimkillcommands.htm

http://www.islam-watch.org/Sami/Islam-Tolerant-Religion-Kill-the-Infidels.htm

I am not advocating the slaughter of all muslims on sight. There are laws against that sort of thing in this country.

But, I'm not going to bury my head in the sand either.

I understand that Islam has declared war on my country, myself and my family.

I understand that the agents of Islam would slaughter any of us in the street if given the chance.

I understand that they are only waiting for the opportunity to do so.

If I am still living WHEN the agents of Islam bring wholesale slaughter to the streets of America, I will do everything I can to defend my family, myself and my country.

In the meantime, I am against anything that helps them further their agenda and assists them in waging the war that they have declared against us.

This means I am AGAINST the importation of thousands who have declared themselves to be our enemy.

Like I said before, We CAN and SHOULD provide humanitarian aid to these people.

We do not NEED to bring them here in order to do so.

Who says that the western world needs to be the one to take these refugees in anyway?

Why is it that Saudi Arabia the country where Islam began isn't coming to their rescue?



Maybe, they have a reason for wanting these millions of people distributed around the free world as potential Trojan Horses. 

   

[Patrick]

I think some one said Christians are responsible for more murders than Muslims. I not so sure thats true.
The two have been fighting each other for a thousand years. No one fought fair back then. It doesn't appear Muslims have changed. I think we are the only ones that think we need to fight fair today.

[Serk]

Someone must have kidnapped Bill Maher and replaced him with an almost rational android, that's the only explanation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ntv3a80RGiw