The Confederate flag is no longer flying over Fort Sumter.

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

CHARLESTON, SC (WCSC) –

The National Park Service said the flag, along with other historic replicas, was taken down last week in the wake of the Charleston church shooting when Gov. Nikki Haley ordered the American flag lowered to half-staff.

Officials with Fort Sumter say the flag will not be going back up.

They also say they have decided to remove Confederate flag items from the fort's gift shop.

The Fort Sumter National Monument Park also includes Fort Moultrie and the Charles Pinckney National historic site.

Confederate forces fired on the Union-held fort on April 12, 1861, the moment that served as the start of the American Civil War. Fort Sumter surrendered 34 hours after the first shots, according to the National Park Service.

[Pappy!]

I consider the Confederate flag to be history, not hate, and this was a sad day in modern history.

[Bighead]

A sad day. Now the south never fought in the Civil war I guess?

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

I consider the Confederate flag to be history, not hate, and this was a sad day in modern history.

I feel the same.... God bless Dixie.

[FLAVALK]

It truly is a sad day in this country and it's only getting worse. We are screwed 

[solo1]

The South's history is just as important as the North's.  This is wrong!

"Never Let A Crisis go To Waste"

Once this is well underway, they will be working on my Faith (actually already started)

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

The South's history is just as important as the North's.  This is wrong!

"Never Let A Crisis go To Waste"

Once this is well underway, they will be working on my Faith (actually already started)

The lives of 490,309 Confederate soldiers who fought and died under this flag still has meaning to me and it will always until my last breath.

That last statement is so true Wayne..... What's next ?

[MAD6Gun]

This is so stupid. It's a flag. I got into a fight with a friend of a friend on face book over a picture of the rainbow and confederate flags. Over the Rainbow it said. '' Let me get this straight. This flag is free speech". And over the confederate it said "and this one isnt". '' Will someone explain how that works".

This idiot I got into a fight with said anyone who flies this flag is a racist. I told her she was full of it and she had no idea what she is talking about. She also compared it to the swastika flag.  I told her that the confederate flag is a symbol of southern pride. Pride in their heritage and where they came from. I am so sick of idiots like this.....

                           IT'S JUST A  FLAG.......

[FLAVALK]

This is so stupid. It's a flag. I got into a fight with a friend of a friend on face book over a picture of the rainbow and confederate flags. Over the Rainbow it said. '' Let me get this straight. This flag is free speech". And over the confederate it said "and this one isnt". '' Will someone explain how that works".

This idiot I got into a fight with said anyone who flies this flag is a racist. I told her she was full of it and she had no idea what she is talking about. She also compared it to the swastika flag.  I told her that the confederate flag is a symbol of southern pride. Pride in their heritage and where they came from. I am so sick of idiots like this.....

                           IT'S JUST A  FLAG.......

And there are many....many more like her. They have no idea what they're talking about and they're also taking over this country

[MAD6Gun]

The South's history is just as important as the North's.  This is wrong!

"Never Let A Crisis go To Waste"

Once this is well underway, they will be working on my Faith (actually already started)

The lives of 490,309 Confederate soldiers who fought and died under this flag still has meaning to me and it will always until my last breath.

They have meaning to a lot of people Joe. Even though I live the north I commend those soldiers who died fighting for their ideals. Joe,don't let these morons take you heritages because some racist piece of crap killed 9 people.

[PAVALKER]

I've always heard the saying. "The South will rise again" and I think this is or should be the time to follow thru.  We should all stand up for history.  I also believe that the Confederate Flag is a part of history.  Unfortunately some others have used that flag as a symbol of hate, but those were or are not the owners of that flag. 

If a historical flag can be perceived as a symbol of hate, burning the American Flag can be perceived as a hate crime.

[Davemn]

A very happy day. Long overdue.

[Pappy!]

NASCAR has now eliminated any and all references to the Confederate flag.
Might be nice if the good ol' boys (fans) boycotted the first race in Daytona to let them know.
Doubt it will happen.

[Skinhead]

A very happy day. Long overdue.

You MUST be joking!  

[Hoser]

The patients have taken over the asylum.    Hoser

[hubcapsc]

They removed the Confederate flag from General Lee's resting place at Washington and Lee
University last year.

-Mike

[signart]

NASCAR has now eliminated any and all references to the Confederate flag.
Might be nice if the good ol' boys (fans) boycotted the first race in Daytona to let them know.
Doubt it will happen.

Unless something changes NASCRAP will be doing a flag swap at Daytona this weekend. Swap "any" flag for a US flag. I say give due respects to the US flag during the National Anthem, then fill the infield with a sea of red in respect for  Southern Heritage.
By next week it will be banned completely from the tracks. Then you can trade your Lynyrd Skynyrd cd's for kanye at the track race.

[Master Blaster]

Wait for it, the American flag will be next.  Obama is right on track to keep his promise to change America into a liberal wet dream.  Soon the heritage they want you to believe and live will be force fed from cradle to grave.  They are already hard at work teaching their version of history to our school kids and changing the text books to support it.  Every facet of  our way of life is being social engineered into their idea of utopia.

[Art708]

 Just another example of how political correctness has ruined America.

[Smokinjoe-VRCCDS#0005]

NASCAR has now eliminated any and all references to the Confederate flag.
Might be nice if the good ol' boys (fans) boycotted the first race in Daytona to let them know.
Doubt it will happen.

It will be interesting to see how many Confederate flags are in the stands at Daytona even more so at Talladega.

[Serk]

We as a nation have just jumped the shark.

[Valkorado]

Just another example of how political correctness has ruined America.

It stems from what many of us were "taught" from public school through college, i.e., "If one person is offended by something, everyone should be offended by it".  What a steaming crock o' chit!

[MP]

The old saying " sticks and bones may break my bones, but words will never hurt me"  sure has disappeared!

Now, seems like any word that offends, "hurts" someone's feelings, and the offender MUST be attacked.  Unless, of course, the one offended is white, or christian, or pro-American, etc.  Then, it is open warfare, and no holds barred.

[FLAVALK]

A very happy day. Long overdue.

Really?

[Davemn]

Let me tell you a little story. In Minnesota a few years ago, some knucklehead high school kids drove around the school parking lot waving a confederate flag. This happened the day of graduation. Administration, parents and the general public where highly offended. It means something different up here. Understand that. These boys were suspended immediately from school and not allowed to participate in their own graduation. Kinda harsh? Not by the majority up here. You see  the flag as representing your southern culture, we see it as hate. To us it should be a museum piece, not flown as a flag. In fact we have a confederate flag that was captured by The 1st Minnesota from South Carolina in a museum. We won't give it back. Lots of lives lost, lots of Union soldiers too.
Yes the world is changing, some won't like it.
I am a lifelong Republican, gun owner and considered very conservative by most.

[FLAVALK]

Let me tell you a little story. In Minnesota a few years ago, some knucklehead high school kids drove around the school parking lot waving a confederate flag. This happened the day of graduation. Administration, parents and the general public where highly offended. It means something different up here. Understand that. These boys were suspended immediately from school and not allowed to participate in their own graduation. Kinda harsh? Not by the majority up here. You see  the flag as representing your southern culture, we see it as hate. To us it should be a museum piece, not flown as a flag. In fact we have a confederate flag that was captured by The 1st Minnesota from South Carolina in a museum. We won't give it back. Lots of lives lost, lots of Union soldiers too.
Yes the world is changing, some won't like it.
I am a lifelong Republican, gun owner and considered very conservative by most.

Down here, many people see Yankees as being liberal dumbasses. Are they right, or just wrong in the way they see it?

[Valkorado]

Let me tell you a little story. In Minnesota a few years ago, some knucklehead high school kids drove around the school parking lot waving a confederate flag. This happened the day of graduation. Administration, parents and the general public where highly offended. It means something different up here. Understand that. These boys were suspended immediately from school and not allowed to participate in their own graduation. Kinda harsh? Not by the majority up here. You see  the flag as representing your southern culture, we see it as hate. To us it should be a museum piece, not flown as a flag. In fact we have a confederate flag that was captured by The 1st Minnesota from South Carolina in a museum. We won't give it back. Lots of lives lost, lots of Union soldiers too.
Yes the world is changing, some won't like it.
I am a lifelong Republican, gun owner and considered very conservative by most.

They weren't allowed to graduate?  The way I see it, if they met the academic requirements for graduation they should have been allowed to graduate.  While their display of the Dixie flag may have been offensive to some, it shouldn't be punishable.  By that logic, it wouldn't be a stretch for flying a flag (any "offensive" flag) to be a criminal offense.  I guess the Gadsen flag would be next to go.

[signart]

Let me tell you a little story. In Minnesota a few years ago, some knucklehead high school kids drove around the school parking lot waving a confederate flag. This happened the day of graduation. Administration, parents and the general public where highly offended. It means something different up here. Understand that. These boys were suspended immediately from school and not allowed to participate in their own graduation. Kinda harsh? Not by the majority up here. You see  the flag as representing your southern culture, we see it as hate. To us it should be a museum piece, not flown as a flag. In fact we have a confederate flag that was captured by The 1st Minnesota from South Carolina in a museum. We won't give it back. Lots of lives lost, lots of Union soldiers too.
Yes the world is changing, some won't like it.
I am a lifelong Republican, gun owner and considered very conservative by most.

Who is it that you folks up there hate when you see that flag? Sounds like ya'll have a hate problem.

[PAVALKER]

Let me tell you a little story. In Minnesota a few years ago, some knucklehead high school kids drove around the school parking lot waving a confederate flag. This happened the day of graduation. Administration, parents and the general public where highly offended. It means something different up here. Understand that. These boys were suspended immediately from school and not allowed to participate in their own graduation. Kinda harsh? Not by the majority up here. You see  the flag as representing your southern culture, we see it as hate. To us it should be a museum piece, not flown as a flag. In fact we have a confederate flag that was captured by The 1st Minnesota from South Carolina in a museum. We won't give it back. Lots of lives lost, lots of Union soldiers too.
Yes the world is changing, some won't like it.
I am a lifelong Republican, gun owner and considered very conservative by most.

You know, back when I was in HS,  besides the historic meaning, that "Rebel" flag meant being a Rebel, rebellious and ....well, like probably most HS kids.   Damn shame the few misguided souls don't understand that displaying a flag is a freedom of speech, and that flag means what the individual flying it wants it to mean, nothing more.  Don't assume it means what you think or assume others have the same meaning as you.  Your assume of US is a broad term.   If a POS can burn the flag of our country without legal incident, where is the tolerance that those liberal preach?  Or is it tollerance for only what they want?  

[Davemn]

Freedom of speech for whom? Certainly not everyone.
I would be the 1st one to tackle some idiot trying to burn The American Flag.

[Serk]

[G-Man]

Let me tell you a little story. In Minnesota a few years ago, some knucklehead high school kids drove around the school parking lot waving a confederate flag. This happened the day of graduation. Administration, parents and the general public where highly offended. It means something different up here. Understand that. These boys were suspended immediately from school and not allowed to participate in their own graduation. Kinda harsh? Not by the majority up here. You see  the flag as representing your southern culture, we see it as hate. To us it should be a museum piece, not flown as a flag. In fact we have a confederate flag that was captured by The 1st Minnesota from South Carolina in a museum. We won't give it back. Lots of lives lost, lots of Union soldiers too.
Yes the world is changing, some won't like it.
I am a lifelong Republican, gun owner and considered very conservative by most.

So those boys were suspended and kept from their graduation for OFFENDING someone else.

Not harming anyone physically.
Not destroying property.
Not cutting out of school.
Not cheating on anything.

The boys were punished and the offended "got over it" by lunchtime.  WHAT CRAP!!!

We see that there is ALWAYS someone offended by something and you really believe that punishments should be doled out because of it?

[Davemn]

Let me tell you a little story. In Minnesota a few years ago, some knucklehead high school kids drove around the school parking lot waving a confederate flag. This happened the day of graduation. Administration, parents and the general public where highly offended. It means something different up here. Understand that. These boys were suspended immediately from school and not allowed to participate in their own graduation. Kinda harsh? Not by the majority up here. You see  the flag as representing your southern culture, we see it as hate. To us it should be a museum piece, not flown as a flag. In fact we have a confederate flag that was captured by The 1st Minnesota from South Carolina in a museum. We won't give it back. Lots of lives lost, lots of Union soldiers too.
Yes the world is changing, some won't like it.
I am a lifelong Republican, gun owner and considered very conservative by most.

They weren't allowed to graduate?  The way I see it, if they met the academic requirements for graduation they should have been allowed to graduate.  While their display of the Dixie flag may have been offensive to some, it shouldn't be punishable.  By that logic, it wouldn't be a stretch for flying a flag (any "offensive" flag) to be a criminal offense.  I guess the Gadsen flag would be next to go.

would you suspend a student if the came dresses as a Nazi soldier? Lots of things can get you suspended. Once suspended, you can't participate in school activities. Thems the rules.

[G-Man]

When do these come down?  I guarantee millions of people are reminded of slavery when they see these Wonders of the World.

[hubcapsc]

[Davemn]

Let me tell you a little story. In Minnesota a few years ago, some knucklehead high school kids drove around the school parking lot waving a confederate flag. This happened the day of graduation. Administration, parents and the general public where highly offended. It means something different up here. Understand that. These boys were suspended immediately from school and not allowed to participate in their own graduation. Kinda harsh? Not by the majority up here. You see  the flag as representing your southern culture, we see it as hate. To us it should be a museum piece, not flown as a flag. In fact we have a confederate flag that was captured by The 1st Minnesota from South Carolina in a museum. We won't give it back. Lots of lives lost, lots of Union soldiers too.
Yes the world is changing, some won't like it.
I am a lifelong Republican, gun owner and considered very conservative by most.

So those boys were suspended and kept from their graduation for OFFENDING someone else.

Not harming anyone physically.
Not destroying property.
Not cutting out of school.
Not cheating on anything.

The boys were punished and the offended "got over it" by lunchtime.  WHAT CRAP!!!

We see that there is ALWAYS someone offended by something and you really believe that punishments should be doled out because of it?

You can't come to school dressed in a sheet and hood either, can't do it. It's about perception. Again, we all won't agree on everything.

[Serk]

And on a more serious note, this is how I see it, as a born and raised Southerner:

The South has been the one consistent region to consistently stand against the Big Government Yankee Liberalism for the last 50 years.

The rebel flag has historically been a uniting symbol of the South.

The nanny state people see their opening to destroy a symbol of the one region to consistently stop their big government liberal utopia, and a chance to "divide and conquer" the people even further.

I'm a proud Southerner, I love the Rebel flag, always have, and it's never meant racism or defense of slavery any more than the US flag has to me, it symbolizes Southern pride, heritage, standing up to tyranny, helping the little guy, standing up for what you believe in, individualism, self reliance, etc. etc. etc... Basically all he things that make The South the place to be...



...say what ya' want about The South, but ya' don't often hear about people retiring and moving north!

[Jess from VA]

 

[Willow]

Michael, I can't believe you blatantly displayed ON A PUBLIC FORUM a prominent poster promoting Dr. Pepper.    Where is your sense of appropriate decorum?  Almost everyone knows that the use of the term, doctor, on a soft drink is insulting to those who have invested years of effort and expense to earn that title and that there is no inclusion whatsoever of any sort of pepper in that drink's formula.



Good times, no?

[Pete]

Most of the time it is not about the item being displayed. In this case the rebel battle flag.

It is always about something else.

And usually it is that someone wants to force there beliefs and actions on someone else.

Attempted suppression of the Rebel battle flag will just make it more popular, as it should.

The freedom hating flag banners are typical social repressionist that cannot understand or tolerate the free exchange of ideas in free country.

If they get there way the great experiment in freedom that is the United States will be become another socialist 3rd world hell hole ruled by an autocratic elite.

May there dream be crushed by freedom loving peoples everywhere.