"Huge Caravan" Of Central Americans Is Headed For The U.S. Border

[Oss]

amen

[The emperor has no clothes]

One good shot with an RPG at the lead bus might change their minds. 

or better yet fly a drone over head loaded with a couple of mustard gas bombs and drop it that would take care of the train

Seriously ? You would burn women and children with chemical weapons ?

[DirtyDan]

Population will ALWAYS expand at a greater rate than available resources to support it

Hence fences....... WALLS

Documentation !!!

The alternative is weapons

What did Sarah Palin say

Mountains bible guns

Dan

[Serk]

One good shot with an RPG at the lead bus might change their minds. 

or better yet fly a drone over head loaded with a couple of mustard gas bombs and drop it that would take care of the train

Seriously ? You would burn women and children with chemical weapons ?

No need for chemical weapons, conventional weapons would work just fine. I wouldn't say no to a few loads of napalm (After giving adequate warning!) or some cluster bombs being dropped on an invading army.

[The emperor has no clothes]

What did Sarah Palin say

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=noSw5iZ8fLA

[The emperor has no clothes]

One good shot with an RPG at the lead bus might change their minds. 

or better yet fly a drone over head loaded with a couple of mustard gas bombs and drop it that would take care of the train

Seriously ? You would burn women and children with chemical weapons ?

No need for chemical weapons, conventional weapons would work just fine. I wouldn't say no to a few loads of napalm (After giving adequate warning!) or some cluster bombs being dropped on an invading army.

Would you drop such weapons on them while in Mexico, or would you let them cross and then massacre them ?

[Serk]

One good shot with an RPG at the lead bus might change their minds. 

or better yet fly a drone over head loaded with a couple of mustard gas bombs and drop it that would take care of the train

Seriously ? You would burn women and children with chemical weapons ?

No need for chemical weapons, conventional weapons would work just fine. I wouldn't say no to a few loads of napalm (After giving adequate warning!) or some cluster bombs being dropped on an invading army.

Would you drop such weapons on them while in Mexico, or would you let them cross and then massacre them ?

Taking them out in Mexico would be an act of war against Mexico, and even though Mexico has been waging a proxy war against us, I would prefer to not escalate it to full blown warfare with our southern neighbors.

Give the invading army ample notice that if they illegally set foot in the US they will be eliminated, and then if they do, we take appropriate actions to repel the invading army.

Is it really that complicated? If an army is marching on your border, you prepare for the invading army. If the invading army breaches your border, you eliminate the invading army.

[DirtyDan]

Fair enough meathead

For the record I think Sarah Palin is a bit ditzy

It wasn't her it was the freak out of by the left AT her

My family is still on a mountain with our good book and guns

Hey if undocumented people are ok then what else is ok to have/be undocumented ?

Licenses, permits, deeds etc

Happiness is an empty mailbox

Dan

[The emperor has no clothes]

One good shot with an RPG at the lead bus might change their minds. 

or better yet fly a drone over head loaded with a couple of mustard gas bombs and drop it that would take care of the train

Seriously ? You would burn women and children with chemical weapons ?

No need for chemical weapons, conventional weapons would work just fine. I wouldn't say no to a few loads of napalm (After giving adequate warning!) or some cluster bombs being dropped on an invading army.

Would you drop such weapons on them while in Mexico, or would you let them cross and then massacre them ?

Taking them out in Mexico would be an act of war against Mexico, and even though Mexico has been waging a proxy war against us, I would prefer to not escalate it to full blown warfare with our southern neighbors.

Give the invading army ample notice that if they illegally set foot in the US they will be eliminated, and then if they do, we take appropriate actions to repel the invading army.

Is it really that complicated? If an army is marching on your border, you prepare for the invading army. If the invading army breaches your border, you eliminate the invading army.

And all this time I was worried about Trump being President.

I know you are smart. I don't believe you would slaughter women and children with Napalm or cluster bombs, despite your rhetoric .

[The emperor has no clothes]

Fair enough meathead

For the record I think Sarah Palin is a bit ditzy

It wasn't her it was the freak out of by the left AT her

My family is still on a mountain with our good book and guns

Hey if undocumented people are ok then what else is ok to have/be undocumented ?

Licenses, permits, deeds etc

Happiness is an empty mailbox

Dan

Dan, it was meant as a joke. Palin didn't really say that. But it was a funny SNL skit. I am not alright with illegal immigration. I don't think we should allow it at all. But that said, I also am not alright with slaughtering women and children trying to cross the border. The 2 aren't mutually exclusive .

[Serk]

And all this time I was worried about Trump being President.

I know you are smart. I don't believe you would slaughter women and children with Napalm or cluster bombs, despite your rhetoric .

Luckily, it appears Trump's tough talk has stopped the invading army, at least for now. Maybe Mexico will do it's job and stop providing safe passage for invaders, not that I expect that'll happen any time soon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/the-caravan-of-migrants-thats-alarmed-president-trump-has-now-stalled/2018/04/03/534b01c2-36aa-11e8-af3c-2123715f78df_story.html?utm_term=.0220a1f28728

And yes, I would, after giving warning, have a shoot to stop policy implemented at our border for any illegal crossings. I would prefer a mine field be laid, much simpler and less expensive and more effective.

And I would defend that stance on humanitarian grounds that those policies would save many lives.

Several hundred illegal invaders die every year trying to cross over. If we clamped down and made it known illegal invaders would be dealt with harshly, the number trying to come over would go down, and thus those who would die trying to cross would have their lives saved.

...for that matter, Trump's wall would save many lives as well...

[rainman]

One good shot with an RPG at the lead bus might change their minds. 

or better yet fly a drone over head loaded with a couple of mustard gas bombs and drop it that would take care of the train

Seriously ? You would burn women and children with chemical weapons ?

No need for chemical weapons, conventional weapons would work just fine. I wouldn't say no to a few loads of napalm (After giving adequate warning!) or some cluster bombs being dropped on an invading army.

Would you drop such weapons on them while in Mexico, or would you let them cross and then massacre them ?

Taking them out in Mexico would be an act of war against Mexico, and even though Mexico has been waging a proxy war against us, I would prefer to not escalate it to full blown warfare with our southern neighbors.

Give the invading army ample notice that if they illegally set foot in the US they will be eliminated, and then if they do, we take appropriate actions to repel the invading army.

Is it really that complicated? If an army is marching on your border, you prepare for the invading army. If the invading army breaches your border, you eliminate the invading army.

I look at it like this God didn't wait for the pharaoh's army to cross the border God destroyed them on the border and just not a few but ever last one of them and in todays wars you can't trust women of children

[The emperor has no clothes]

And all this time I was worried about Trump being President.

I know you are smart. I don't believe you would slaughter women and children with Napalm or cluster bombs, despite your rhetoric .

Luckily, it appears Trump's tough talk has stopped the invading army, at least for now. Maybe Mexico will do it's job and stop providing safe passage for invaders, not that I expect that'll happen any time soon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/the-caravan-of-migrants-thats-alarmed-president-trump-has-now-stalled/2018/04/03/534b01c2-36aa-11e8-af3c-2123715f78df_story.html?utm_term=.0220a1f28728

And yes, I would, after giving warning, have a shoot to stop policy implemented at our border for any illegal crossings. I would prefer a mine field be laid, much simpler and less expensive and more effective.

And I would defend that stance on humanitarian grounds that those policies would save many lives.

Several hundred illegal invaders die every year trying to cross over. If we clamped down and made it known illegal invaders would be dealt with harshly, the number trying to come over would go down, and thus those who would die trying to cross would have their lives saved.

...for that matter, Trump's wall would save many lives as well...

I read that story earlier also. It appears this "caravan" has been going on for 10 years as a protest of sorts to call attention to Central Americans plight.

[DirtyDan]

Allow it at all ? Ok do we stop something that ignores the rules (documents) jumps the fence and thumbs nose at athoirity

Mental communication isn't working

After that comes body language (force)

Won't be me

Dan

[LTD]

Gman is right we will take everyone of them. Yes we are headed to the third world and brother you aren't going to dig it. comprende?

[old2soon]

I M H O plain and simple-we-AMERICA-can no longer afford them-illegal folks of ANY stripe. RIDE SAFE.

[Gavin_Sons]

Fair enough meathead

For the record I think Sarah Palin is a bit ditzy

It wasn't her it was the freak out of by the left AT her

My family is still on a mountain with our good book and guns

Hey if undocumented people are ok then what else is ok to have/be undocumented ?

Licenses, permits, deeds etc

Happiness is an empty mailbox

Dan

Dan, it was meant as a joke. Palin didn't really say that. But it was a funny SNL skit. I am not alright with illegal immigration. I don't think we should allow it at all. But that said, I also am not alright with slaughtering women and children trying to cross the border. The 2 aren't mutually exclusive .

Th3re you go with that women and children BS again. I'll  ask this again since I never got a reply about the Muslim women and children. Are you willing to open your home up to a couple women with children and take full responsibility for them. Meaning if they commit a crime you will be punished for it?

[The emperor has no clothes]

Fair enough meathead

For the record I think Sarah Palin is a bit ditzy

It wasn't her it was the freak out of by the left AT her

My family is still on a mountain with our good book and guns

Hey if undocumented people are ok then what else is ok to have/be undocumented ?

Licenses, permits, deeds etc

Happiness is an empty mailbox

Dan

Dan, it was meant as a joke. Palin didn't really say that. But it was a funny SNL skit. I am not alright with illegal immigration. I don't think we should allow it at all. But that said, I also am not alright with slaughtering women and children trying to cross the border. The 2 aren't mutually exclusive .

Th3re you go with that women and children BS again. I'll  ask this again since I never got a reply about the Muslim women and children. Are you willing to open your home up to a couple women with children and take full responsibility for them. Meaning if they commit a crime you will be punished for it?

Gavin, when you and I try to communicate it always devolves into a locked thread or a removed thread. Let's just let it go for everybody else's sake.

[Gavin_Sons]

Fair enough meathead

For the record I think Sarah Palin is a bit ditzy

It wasn't her it was the freak out of by the left AT her

My family is still on a mountain with our good book and guns

Hey if undocumented people are ok then what else is ok to have/be undocumented ?

Licenses, permits, deeds etc

Happiness is an empty mailbox

Dan

Dan, it was meant as a joke. Palin didn't really say that. But it was a funny SNL skit. I am not alright with illegal immigration. I don't think we should allow it at all. But that said, I also am not alright with slaughtering women and children trying to cross the border. The 2 aren't mutually exclusive .

Th3re you go with that women and children BS again. I'll  ask this again since I never got a reply about the Muslim women and children. Are you willing to open your home up to a couple women with children and take full responsibility for them. Meaning if they commit a crime you will be punished for it?

Gavin, when you and I try to communicate it always devolves into a locked thread or a removed thread. Let's just let it go for everybody else's sake.

Good job avoiding the question 

[Robert]

Napalm? to harsh?


Donald J. Trump
‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump

Thank you to Rasmussen for the honest polling. Just hit 50%, which is higher than Cheatin’ Obama at the same time in his Administration.


Trump: Military will guard border until there's a wall
https://youtu.be/glAcWe1NNq4?t=1m58s

If it reaches our border, our laws are so weak and so pathetic...it's like we have no border,” Trump said.

Trump's comments mark a significant escalation in U.S. border policy, as troops along the frontier with Mexico - not the U.S. border patrol, would be the most aggressive action taken to date by the President who promised voters a giant wall.

The President closed the door on a DACA deal over the past several days - an Obama-era program designed to protect young immigrants brought here illegally to the United States as children. In a Sunday tweet, Trump railed against "ridiculous liberal (Democratic) laws" like "catch and release". And with more "dangerous caravans coming" to the US border, "Republicans must go to Nuclear Option to pass tough laws NOW. NO MORE DACA DEAL!"

[Gavin_Sons]

Fair enough meathead

For the record I think Sarah Palin is a bit ditzy

It wasn't her it was the freak out of by the left AT her

My family is still on a mountain with our good book and guns

Hey if undocumented people are ok then what else is ok to have/be undocumented ?

Licenses, permits, deeds etc

Happiness is an empty mailbox

Dan

Dan, it was meant as a joke. Palin didn't really say that. But it was a funny SNL skit. I am not alright with illegal immigration. I don't think we should allow it at all. But that said, I also am not alright with slaughtering women and children trying to cross the border. The 2 aren't mutually exclusive .

Th3re you go with that women and children BS again. I'll  ask this again since I never got a reply about the Muslim women and children. Are you willing to open your home up to a couple women with children and take full responsibility for them. Meaning if they commit a crime you will be punished for it?

Gavin, when you and I try to communicate it always devolves into a locked thread or a removed thread. Let's just let it go for everybody else's sake.

Good job avoiding the question  

You wouldn't answer the same question about Muslim women and children,  guess I was foolish to think you would answer the same simple question about Hispanics.

[98valk]

And all this time I was worried about Trump being President.

I know you are smart. I don't believe you would slaughter women and children with Napalm or cluster bombs, despite your rhetoric .

Luckily, it appears Trump's tough talk has stopped the invading army, at least for now. Maybe Mexico will do it's job and stop providing safe passage for invaders, not that I expect that'll happen any time soon.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/the-caravan-of-migrants-thats-alarmed-president-trump-has-now-stalled/2018/04/03/534b01c2-36aa-11e8-af3c-2123715f78df_story.html?utm_term=.0220a1f28728

And yes, I would, after giving warning, have a shoot to stop policy implemented at our border for any illegal crossings. I would prefer a mine field be laid, much simpler and less expensive and more effective.

And I would defend that stance on humanitarian grounds that those policies would save many lives.

Several hundred illegal invaders die every year trying to cross over. If we clamped down and made it known illegal invaders would be dealt with harshly, the number trying to come over would go down, and thus those who would die trying to cross would have their lives saved.

...for that matter, Trump's wall would save many lives as well...

I read that story earlier also. It appears this "caravan" has been going on for 10 years as a protest of sorts to call attention to Central Americans plight.

protest? stop your lying. it was your god obama that brought them in.

https://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/27/us/politics/obama-refugees-central-america.html

and even the article has been proven to be lying since very high numbers of them were NOT children.
obama led the invasion.

[G-Man]

Gman is right we will take everyone of them. Yes we are headed to the third world and brother you aren't going to dig it. comprende?

I am happy to say that on this one, I may have been wrrrrrr, wrrrrrr, wrrrrr, er, um, not right.   

I didn't consider that the President would intervene, because our last president did nothing, and no other President has been serious about border control, up until now.

[¿spoom]

If this is actually an impossible problem to deal with, then we ARE a 3rd world nation.

[Alberta Patriot]

Anybody who questions border control is WILLFULLY ignoring what is happening in Europe.........and filthy 3rd world health/humanity conditions in  LA COUNTY!!  

[Oss]

Protecting the border with troops standing behind the border patrol is like having your big brother or your German Shepherd dog following you on the way to a schoolyard fight


Hopefully the fight never has to happen

The message is clear.  Dont come to dinner unless you have been invited

Oss

Never had either when I was a kid   

[MAD6Gun]

 So tell me Meathead. What do you think we should do with this "caravan" of illegal people heading for our boarder? Let them in like the millions that are already here,give them social security and all the free stuff that comes with it?  Give them the right to vote without being a citizen? Or turn them away? I personally don't like it that some of these immigrants suffer in their own countries but we can't save everyone. If these people don't like what is happening in their own countries they can rise up and fight. Yeah against the drug cartels is going to very difficult but it can be done. Our founding fathers didn't like what the King of England was doing to them. They rose up and fought back sending the British back to their own country and America was born. If these refugees want a better life they need to FIGHT for it.

The US spends billion upon billions of dollars paying for the care of illegal immigrants. That money could be used to pay for school security,infrastructure,ect. Not to mention the wall. So I ask why don't you go talk to your neighbors on the boarder and ask them how they feel about illegal people crossing the boarder through their land?

[The emperor has no clothes]

So tell me Meathead. What do you think we should do with this "caravan" of illegal people heading for our boarder? Let them in like the millions that are already here,give them social security and all the free stuff that comes with it?  Give them the right to vote without being a citizen? Or turn them away? I personally don't like it that some of these immigrants suffer in their own countries but we can't save everyone. If these people don't like what is happening in their own countries they can rise up and fight. Yeah against the drug cartels is going to very difficult but it can be done. Our founding fathers didn't like what the King of England was doing to them. They rose up and fought back sending the British back to their own country and America was born. If these refugees want a better life they need to FIGHT for it.

The US spends billion upon billions of dollars paying for the care of illegal immigrants. That money could be used to pay for school security,infrastructure,ect. Not to mention the wall. So I ask why don't you go talk to your neighbors on the boarder and ask them how they feel about illegal people crossing the boarder through their land?

I posted a lengthy post a few years back on how I thought the illegal immigration problem should be handled. If you truly care what my opinion on the matter is, I'm sure you can find it with a search.  (Border)

[Alberta Patriot]

Start Targeting Corporations that operate in Mexico while selling product in the USA.
Mexico Fully Understands that Money Talks and Bullshit Walks. The corruption is rampant in Mexico and that is why the Drug Cartels Operate with Impunity. Economic Pain should be the Only Language of Border Discussions.

[MAD6Gun]

So tell me Meathead. What do you think we should do with this "caravan" of illegal people heading for our boarder? Let them in like the millions that are already here,give them social security and all the free stuff that comes with it?  Give them the right to vote without being a citizen? Or turn them away? I personally don't like it that some of these immigrants suffer in their own countries but we can't save everyone. If these people don't like what is happening in their own countries they can rise up and fight. Yeah against the drug cartels is going to very difficult but it can be done. Our founding fathers didn't like what the King of England was doing to them. They rose up and fought back sending the British back to their own country and America was born. If these refugees want a better life they need to FIGHT for it.

The US spends billion upon billions of dollars paying for the care of illegal immigrants. That money could be used to pay for school security,infrastructure,ect. Not to mention the wall. So I ask why don't you go talk to your neighbors on the boarder and ask them how they feel about illegal people crossing the boarder through their land?

I posted a lengthy post a few years back on how I thought the illegal immigration problem should be handled. If you truly care what my opinion on the matter is, I'm sure you can find it with a search.  (Border)

Uh yeah I'm not going to that. I am not going to waste my time going through over 17000 of your posts looking for one you might have posted. Just proves Gavin is right. If you can't answer question about your answers on these type of post you shouldn't be responding to them.

[Gavin_Sons]

Okay...just my opinion but that kind of talk is WAY over the line!!!

Yes, to some, i am not one of them. I have no sympathy for those who enter illegally making my country unsafe and headed toward 3rd world order. I'm all for people migrating here but please do it legally. I agree that the people doing it the right way have to spend way too much money and wait for way to long to become a citizen. Make it easier for the ones who truly want to be here. But no so easy everyone gets in.

[The emperor has no clothes]

So tell me Meathead. What do you think we should do with this "caravan" of illegal people heading for our boarder? Let them in like the millions that are already here,give them social security and all the free stuff that comes with it?  Give them the right to vote without being a citizen? Or turn them away? I personally don't like it that some of these immigrants suffer in their own countries but we can't save everyone. If these people don't like what is happening in their own countries they can rise up and fight. Yeah against the drug cartels is going to very difficult but it can be done. Our founding fathers didn't like what the King of England was doing to them. They rose up and fought back sending the British back to their own country and America was born. If these refugees want a better life they need to FIGHT for it.

The US spends billion upon billions of dollars paying for the care of illegal immigrants. That money could be used to pay for school security,infrastructure,ect. Not to mention the wall. So I ask why don't you go talk to your neighbors on the boarder and ask them how they feel about illegal people crossing the boarder through their land?

I posted a lengthy post a few years back on how I thought the illegal immigration problem should be handled. If you truly care what my opinion on the matter is, I'm sure you can find it with a search.  (Border)

Uh yeah I'm not going to that. I am not going to waste my time going through over 17000 of your posts looking for one you might have posted. Just proves Gavin is right. If you can't answer question about your answers on these type of post you shouldn't be responding to them.

No need to look thru my posts. A simple search of illegal immigration brought it up.

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,92074.40.html

(You are welcome)

[Serk]

One thing is for sure,, what we have now is NOT working.
Almost all countries in the world do not treat illegal border crossings as we do.
It's a drain on society and an insult to those who did it legally.

What we have now does work to a certain extent. Just not well enough. It is an insult to those who immigrated legally .
My take on fixing illegal immigration is multi fold .
1) We must crack down on employers and people who hire them. Many people enjoy having cheap maids, cheap landscapers, cheap construction workers. Make it hurt to the people who use them. Heavy fines and even jail time would deter much of it. Contrary to what some think, most of the illegal immigrants come here for the work. Not to suck up welfare.
2) Do away with sanctuary cities. If a city decides to go that route, then cut off ALL federal funding of any sort.
3) Track people more thoroughly here on visas. If they overstay, lock them up for a determined amount of time and deport them.
4) When an illegal immigrant is detained or found out, lock them up for a determined amount of time and deport them. If they come back and are caught again the punishment gets progressively more intense.
5) Punish coyotes who bring them across to the max.

I'm okay with your steps, would applaud them even. But I'd add
6) Border wall.... (Still say a mine field would be cheaper and more effective, but SOMETHING needs to be done)
7) NO government assistance to illegals. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. NOTHING.
8 ) End birthright citizenship. Retroactively.

[MAD6Gun]

One thing is for sure,, what we have now is NOT working.
Almost all countries in the world do not treat illegal border crossings as we do.
It's a drain on society and an insult to those who did it legally.

What we have now does work to a certain extent. Just not well enough. It is an insult to those who immigrated legally .
My take on fixing illegal immigration is multi fold .
1) We must crack down on employers and people who hire them. Many people enjoy having cheap maids, cheap landscapers, cheap construction workers. Make it hurt to the people who use them. Heavy fines and even jail time would deter much of it. Contrary to what some think, most of the illegal immigrants come here for the work. Not to suck up welfare.
2) Do away with sanctuary cities. If a city decides to go that route, then cut off ALL federal funding of any sort.
3) Track people more thoroughly here on visas. If they overstay, lock them up for a determined amount of time and deport them.
4) When an illegal immigrant is detained or found out, lock them up for a determined amount of time and deport them. If they come back and are caught again the punishment gets progressively more intense.
5) Punish coyotes who bring them across to the max.

I'm okay with your steps, would applaud them even. But I'd add
6) Border wall.... (Still say a mine field would be cheaper and more effective, but SOMETHING needs to be done)
7) NO government assistance to illegals. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. NOTHING.
8 ) End birthright citizenship. Retroactively.

Good points Meat. My apologies.  So how do feel about the wall?

BTW I also agree with most of what serk said.

[3fan4life]

So tell me Meathead. What do you think we should do with this "caravan" of illegal people heading for our boarder? Let them in like the millions that are already here,give them social security and all the free stuff that comes with it?  Give them the right to vote without being a citizen? Or turn them away? I personally don't like it that some of these immigrants suffer in their own countries but we can't save everyone. If these people don't like what is happening in their own countries they can rise up and fight. Yeah against the drug cartels is going to very difficult but it can be done. Our founding fathers didn't like what the King of England was doing to them. They rose up and fought back sending the British back to their own country and America was born. If these refugees want a better life they need to FIGHT for it.

The US spends billion upon billions of dollars paying for the care of illegal immigrants. That money could be used to pay for school security,infrastructure,ect. Not to mention the wall. So I ask why don't you go talk to your neighbors on the boarder and ask them how they feel about illegal people crossing the boarder through their land?

I posted a lengthy post a few years back on how I thought the illegal immigration problem should be handled. If you truly care what my opinion on the matter is, I'm sure you can find it with a search.  (Border)

Uh yeah I'm not going to that. I am not going to waste my time going through over 17000 of your posts looking for one you might have posted. Just proves Gavin is right. If you can't answer question about your answers on these type of post you shouldn't be responding to them.

No need to look thru my posts. A simple search of illegal immigration brought it up.

http://www.valkyrieforum.com/bbs/index.php/topic,92074.40.html

(You are welcome)

OK,

All of those are well thought out, lucid solutions.

So, how does that de-evolve into let anyone that wants to cross the border illegally to do so, if they are women and children?

[The emperor has no clothes]

3fan, I don't know if that is intended for me or not. But, if you read my responses that is nothing close to what I am saying. I am against slaughtering women and children though.

[The emperor has no clothes]

One thing is for sure,, what we have now is NOT working.
Almost all countries in the world do not treat illegal border crossings as we do.
It's a drain on society and an insult to those who did it legally.

What we have now does work to a certain extent. Just not well enough. It is an insult to those who immigrated legally .
My take on fixing illegal immigration is multi fold .
1) We must crack down on employers and people who hire them. Many people enjoy having cheap maids, cheap landscapers, cheap construction workers. Make it hurt to the people who use them. Heavy fines and even jail time would deter much of it. Contrary to what some think, most of the illegal immigrants come here for the work. Not to suck up welfare.
2) Do away with sanctuary cities. If a city decides to go that route, then cut off ALL federal funding of any sort.
3) Track people more thoroughly here on visas. If they overstay, lock them up for a determined amount of time and deport them.
4) When an illegal immigrant is detained or found out, lock them up for a determined amount of time and deport them. If they come back and are caught again the punishment gets progressively more intense.
5) Punish coyotes who bring them across to the max.

I'm okay with your steps, would applaud them even. But I'd add
6) Border wall.... (Still say a mine field would be cheaper and more effective, but SOMETHING needs to be done)
7) NO government assistance to illegals. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. NOTHING.
8 ) End birthright citizenship. Retroactively.

We agreed to #7 back then. (Further down the thread) As far as #8, you would need to amend the constitution. I don't see how you could do that without discrimination against a race of people ?

[Serk]

I'm okay with your steps, would applaud them even. But I'd add
6) Border wall.... (Still say a mine field would be cheaper and more effective, but SOMETHING needs to be done)
7) NO government assistance to illegals. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. NOTHING.
8 ) End birthright citizenship. Retroactively.

We agreed to #7 back then. (Further down the thread) As far as #8, you would to amend the constitution. I don't see how you could do that without discrimination against a race of people ?

The 14th amendment was passed to grant freed slaves citizenship, it wasn't intended to grant anyone who can hop across the border in time to pop a kid out citizenship, which is what it's currently being abused to do. But yes, it would require a trivially small edit to the 14th amendment as it now stands to correct the problem.

Change this:

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

To this:
All persons born of parents who are citizens of the United States or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

As far as agreeing with #7, do you really? Public education for illegals? Right now it's legally required for schools to educate illegals. You'd be okay with stopping that practice?

[The emperor has no clothes]

One thing is for sure,, what we have now is NOT working.
Almost all countries in the world do not treat illegal border crossings as we do.
It's a drain on society and an insult to those who did it legally.

What we have now does work to a certain extent. Just not well enough. It is an insult to those who immigrated legally .
My take on fixing illegal immigration is multi fold .
1) We must crack down on employers and people who hire them. Many people enjoy having cheap maids, cheap landscapers, cheap construction workers. Make it hurt to the people who use them. Heavy fines and even jail time would deter much of it. Contrary to what some think, most of the illegal immigrants come here for the work. Not to suck up welfare.
2) Do away with sanctuary cities. If a city decides to go that route, then cut off ALL federal funding of any sort.
3) Track people more thoroughly here on visas. If they overstay, lock them up for a determined amount of time and deport them.
4) When an illegal immigrant is detained or found out, lock them up for a determined amount of time and deport them. If they come back and are caught again the punishment gets progressively more intense.
5) Punish coyotes who bring them across to the max.

I'm okay with your steps, would applaud them even. But I'd add
6) Border wall.... (Still say a mine field would be cheaper and more effective, but SOMETHING needs to be done)
7) NO government assistance to illegals. None. Zero. Zip. Nada. NOTHING.
8 ) End birthright citizenship. Retroactively.

Good points Meat. My apologies.  So how do feel about the wall?

BTW I also agree with most of what serk said.

I think the "Wall" is mostly a rhetorical talking point. Even most conservatives admit it's not going to happen. As long as there are jobs for them here they will find a way over or under "the Wall".

[Robert]

I think the "Wall" is mostly a rhetorical talking point.

Dont be so sure.